**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 16 02:59:59 2015
Sep 16 09:29:53 <ceene> i may have found, once again, one possible reason for bans on group creation
Sep 16 09:30:02 <ceene> now, would that be true?
Sep 16 09:30:16 <ceene> could there be someone brave enough to test it?
Sep 16 09:30:26 <ceene> i'm tired of releasing things that gets people banned :(
Sep 16 09:31:57 <ceene> and i can't test it myself or i'd get my second number banned, and i don't think anybody would benefit from me not having access to whatsapp...
Sep 16 09:32:26 <ceene> maybe there's some cheap way to buy a dozen or so of sims?
Sep 16 09:48:56 <Sicelo> ceene: i might make a plan
Sep 16 09:49:57 * Sicelo wishes he was still in Swaziland .. easier to get sim. no fancy registrations/paperwork
Sep 16 09:50:07 <bencoh> is the ban permanent?
Sep 16 09:51:00 <Sicelo> yes (qualified). they auto-unban you after like 3 months or so
Sep 16 09:51:07 <bencoh> :/
Sep 16 09:53:33 <KotCzarny> in .pl you can get no-contract sim for ~1.5usd
Sep 16 09:54:17 <bencoh> hhmm shit I completely forgot the council election
Sep 16 09:55:17 <Sicelo> me too :p
Sep 16 09:55:26 <bencoh> :/
Sep 16 09:59:34 <Maxdamantus> Ahah. I think I figured out why my boot has been taking so long for a while .. bootmenu -_-
Sep 16 10:01:35 <Maxdamantus> Indeed.
Sep 16 10:02:02 * Maxdamantus wonders how long that was there.
Sep 16 10:02:56 <Maxdamantus> just turns into messy stuff moved around in the framebuffer, since fbcon is loaded so is printing the commands to wait for keys.
Sep 16 10:06:30 <Sicelo> so, isn't the problem fbcon then? instead of bootmenu?
Sep 16 10:07:29 <Sicelo> i guess many of us have bootmenu, and observe no bootup delays
Sep 16 10:12:19 <Maxdamantus> It's probably because I always had the slide out which probably triggered the menu to appear, but I wasn't aware of it.
Sep 16 10:12:38 <Maxdamantus> so just saw some random commands involving `evkey` and some apparent countdown.
Sep 16 10:12:52 <Sicelo> and you didn't even see the bootmenu screen? :p
Sep 16 10:13:25 <Maxdamantus> Not really, because fbcon was outputting the commands over it.
Sep 16 10:14:05 <Sicelo> ok
Sep 16 10:14:13 <Maxdamantus> I only saw moving fragments, like the number from the countdown, and I could see it saying something like "booting from NAND" for a split second.
Sep 16 10:14:28 <Maxdamantus> not that it was booting from NAND anyway.
Sep 16 10:32:20 <ceene> i wouldn't mind paying 10~15 euros for a dozen of sims
Sep 16 10:32:22 <ceene> or whatever
Sep 16 10:32:49 <ceene> but here in spain you pay ~10EUR for a SIM, and although you usually get the same amount to spend on phone calls
Sep 16 10:32:56 <ceene> i don't even spend 4 euros monthly
Sep 16 10:33:10 <ceene> so i'd have 100 euros that I wouldn't know what to use them for
Sep 16 10:33:27 <KotCzarny> no pay-by-sim services there?
Sep 16 10:33:28 <KotCzarny> o.O
Sep 16 10:33:35 <L29Ah> $0.9 in UA
Sep 16 10:33:56 <ceene> KotCzarny: yes, but they come preloaded with 10EUR, so you pay that
Sep 16 10:34:21 <ceene> ah!
Sep 16 10:34:24 <ceene> pay with your sim's money
Sep 16 10:34:25 <ceene> nope
Sep 16 10:35:51 <ceene> maybe there's some strange virtual mobile operator that has cheaper sims
Sep 16 10:36:24 <KotCzarny> 10eur, right, but if you just need some disposable ones..
Sep 16 10:36:24 <L29Ah> tho if i were you, i'd just drop the damned service that shits on its customers
Sep 16 10:36:50 <ceene> L29Ah: well, i'm not one of his customers, am i?
Sep 16 10:37:02 <ceene> i don't pay them anything and I don't even use their software, just their servers
Sep 16 10:37:09 <ceene> i'm more an abuser than an user, to be honest
Sep 16 10:37:16 <ceene> we are all :)
Sep 16 10:38:35 <L29Ah> then you should understand that your hack will work for some months until another update will come by and require more investment from your side and so on
Sep 16 10:39:04 <ceene> i know that
Sep 16 10:39:15 <ceene> i'll continue until i get tired
Sep 16 10:39:26 <L29Ah> it's cheaper to just use email (:
Sep 16 10:39:33 <ceene> it's not as convenient
Sep 16 10:39:36 <ceene> i like irc much more
Sep 16 10:39:50 <ceene> real time conversations with one or several people categorized in groups/channels
Sep 16 10:40:06 <ceene> i don't know what jabber was invented for
Sep 16 10:40:11 <ceene> irc does the same
Sep 16 10:40:12 <L29Ah> decompiling stuff and reverse engineering protocols isn't convenient either
Sep 16 10:40:18 <Sicelo> IRC \m/
Sep 16 10:40:27 <ceene> well, but it can be fun sometimes
Sep 16 10:40:47 <ceene> some people enjoy running, some people enjoy resolving differential equations
Sep 16 10:40:55 <ceene> i sometimes enjoy coding and reverse engineering protocols
Sep 16 10:41:02 * L29Ah uses irc over jabber because jabber features transports to other protocols and all the IM features one can imagine
Sep 16 10:41:39 <ceene> one can do that?
Sep 16 10:41:55 <ceene> then maybe I undervalued jabber :)
Sep 16 10:44:50 <L29Ah> yep, and there are implementations of transports to icq and vk; i also heard about ones to msn, sms, email, facebook, aim, twitter and skype
Sep 16 10:45:17 <L29Ah> https://github.com/stv0g/transwhat wazzup
Sep 16 10:58:43 <ceene> cool
Sep 16 11:15:27 <Wizzup> Does't bitlbee do similar things for ir
Sep 16 11:15:31 <Wizzup> for irc
Sep 16 11:15:44 <bencoh> it does
Sep 16 11:16:11 <sixwheeledbeast> plus jabber can do SIP
Sep 16 11:16:37 <sixwheeledbeast> works OTB on N900
Sep 16 11:20:37 <ceene> another option
Sep 16 11:20:45 <ceene> the java class that seems to manage wa protocol
Sep 16 11:20:52 <ceene> doesn't depend on anything
Sep 16 11:20:58 <ceene> import java.io.IOException;
Sep 16 11:20:58 <ceene> import java.io.InputStream;
Sep 16 11:20:58 <ceene> import java.util.Enumeration;
Sep 16 11:20:58 <ceene> import java.util.Hashtable;
Sep 16 11:20:58 <ceene> import java.util.Vector;
Sep 16 11:21:01 <ceene> just that
Sep 16 11:21:18 <ceene> i could use it as binary blob
Sep 16 11:21:32 <ceene> no protocol mismatch ever
Sep 16 11:24:26 <bencoh> but it's java
Sep 16 11:24:30 <bencoh> and a blob
Sep 16 11:24:41 <ceene> yep
Sep 16 11:24:46 <ceene> not cool
Sep 16 12:00:08 <KotCzarny> ceene: in the last release add warning before connect so people wont get banned
Sep 16 12:02:46 <ceene> uhm
Sep 16 12:02:47 <ceene> yep
Sep 16 12:02:56 <ceene> i should release a new one with latest change
Sep 16 12:03:00 <ceene> and explain that in the changelog
Sep 16 12:03:07 <ceene> or won't people read the changelog?
Sep 16 12:03:26 <L29Ah> sure they won't
Sep 16 12:03:37 <ceene> i could block that functionality
Sep 16 12:03:39 <KotCzarny> yeah, and get banned
Sep 16 12:03:47 <ceene> but i need someone that is willing to test that
Sep 16 12:03:51 <ceene> or we'll never have that again
Sep 16 12:03:56 <KotCzarny> sicelo agreed
Sep 16 12:04:06 <KotCzarny> tell him what he needs to do
Sep 16 12:04:10 <ceene> great
Sep 16 12:04:20 <ceene> i'll be releasing that now, then
Sep 16 12:04:30 <ceene> in the end every little change makes it better than before
Sep 16 12:04:36 <ceene> so it can't be worse
Sep 16 12:11:07 <KotCzarny> well, it always can be worse
Sep 16 15:04:21 <Sicelo> some of us do read changelogs :
Sep 16 15:04:24 <Sicelo> :)
Sep 16 15:04:37 <Sicelo> in fact, i hope ceene will also explain what he's found
Sep 16 16:08:26 <Sicelo> ceene: my sisters have worked something out. perhaps give me a link to a deb, in case autobuilder takes time
Sep 16 16:20:09 <DocScrutinizer05> whatsapp, ohmy. Some official entity checked whatsapp on android and found the *complete* contacts list gets instantly transferred to some US server
Sep 16 16:20:34 <KotCzarny> he, he, 'security'
Sep 16 16:21:48 <Sicelo> that includes KotCzarny & DocScrutinizer05's numbers too, hehe
Sep 16 16:23:55 <DocScrutinizer05> either you're the customer or you are the product
Sep 16 16:24:06 <Sicelo> yeah
Sep 16 16:24:12 <DocScrutinizer05> depends on whether you pay or not
Sep 16 16:24:36 <Sicelo> actually it's this very thing that i hate about whatsapp
Sep 16 16:24:43 <DocScrutinizer05> sometimes even then you're still the product rather than a customer
Sep 16 16:24:54 <kerio> you could also be a reseller
Sep 16 16:25:53 <KotCzarny> what a bout being a developer?
Sep 16 18:28:10 <ceene> Sicelo: thanks, but i'm not quite sure yet
Sep 16 18:28:37 <ceene> first i thought i had found something because there was a couple lines of code that didn't belong in the place they were
Sep 16 18:28:58 <ceene> but in the end they were doing the right thing, although not exactly in the place it should
Sep 16 18:29:13 <ceene> but the data sent to the servers was what it had to be
Sep 16 18:29:23 <ceene> so... nothing new for the moment
Sep 16 18:29:24 <ceene> :(
Sep 16 18:32:12 <ceene> if you want, you can take a look at last commit on develop branch
Sep 16 19:48:08 <Sicelo> ok. will hear from you
Sep 16 19:48:21 <Sicelo> i had looked at the code (with my limited understanding)
Sep 17 00:13:24 <antranigv> anyone here? :)))
Sep 17 00:13:45 <antranigv> ok I'll keep it short: can't install liblzo2-2
Sep 17 00:13:54 <antranigv> I need it for OpenVPN
Sep 17 01:51:49 <Maxdamantus> antranigv: fwiw, I just do things like that in a plain debian chroot.
Sep 17 01:52:19 <Maxdamantus> Don't have to worry about old version requirements holding you back from things, etc
Sep 17 01:52:47 <Maxdamantus> at least, not until stable upgrades its glibc.
Sep 17 01:53:08 <Maxdamantus> (at which point the Maemo kernel will become unsupprted)
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