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Sep 19 03:05:32 <Maxdamantus> Ah yeah, it's about the same normally.
Sep 19 05:12:24 <KotCzarny> hmm, clean flash, trying to install cssu-thumb fails
Sep 19 05:12:31 <KotCzarny> do i have to install normal cssu first?
Sep 19 05:52:40 * Maxdamantus likes this comment in /usr/sbin/umountfs:
Sep 19 05:52:40 <Maxdamantus> # Note: please do not whine, whole thing is still a temp hack. 
Sep 19 05:52:58 <Maxdamantus> Probably explains why my ext3 filesystem is never unmounted.
Sep 19 05:53:06 <Maxdamantus> well, was.
Sep 19 05:53:25 * Maxdamantus has now added some sysrq-trigger hacks around it that should try to force unmount it.
Sep 19 05:54:10 <Maxdamantus> (unmounting isn't that important with log-based filesystems like ubifs)
Sep 19 05:54:39 <Maxdamantus> .. or btrfs.
Sep 19 11:06:29 <KotCzarny> ~flatbat
Sep 19 11:06:33 <KotCzarny> ~ping
Sep 19 11:06:34 <infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
Sep 19 11:06:40 <KotCzarny> ~flatbatrecover
Sep 19 11:06:40 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)
Sep 19 11:41:08 <KotCzarny> funnily it doesnt even want to show for flasher to boot
Sep 19 11:47:53 <Maxdamantus> ~ping -c 42
Sep 19 11:47:54 <infobot> pong -c 42
Sep 19 11:49:01 <Maxdamantus> show what where?
Sep 19 12:34:37 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
Sep 19 12:40:20 <KotCzarny> maxd: show that flatbatted n900 on thinkpad for flasher-3.5 booting
Sep 19 12:42:30 <Maxdamantus> Doesn't it have to get to the point where it can try to boot before doing that?
Sep 19 12:42:42 <Maxdamantus> ie, where it shows the Nokia logo or something
Sep 19 12:42:46 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh* of course
Sep 19 12:42:57 <KotCzarny> yes, it was showing nokia logo
Sep 19 12:43:11 <KotCzarny> but in dmesg it was showing as rom nokia then as mass storage
Sep 19 12:43:14 <KotCzarny> even when holding u
Sep 19 12:43:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bootloop
Sep 19 12:44:00 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.
Sep 19 12:44:08 <KotCzarny> nope, rootfs is good
Sep 19 12:44:18 <DocScrutinizer05> aha
Sep 19 12:44:29 <KotCzarny> (because it booted when i charged the battery in different device with different charger)
Sep 19 12:44:35 <DocScrutinizer05> knew it was a bad idea to answer
Sep 19 12:45:57 <KotCzarny> i mean, booted when charged battery for 10 min then swapped back into this n900
Sep 19 12:46:09 <KotCzarny> and its charging normally now (also booted)
Sep 19 12:47:12 <KotCzarny> offtopic, free red alert game on origin (if someone still remembers that)
Sep 19 12:53:53 <Maxdamantus> Is that UMS from the bootloader (NOLO?)?
Sep 19 12:54:27 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Sep 19 13:01:36 <DocScrutinizer05> NOLO either reports 'Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode)', 'New USB device found, idVendor=0421, idProduct=0105' and stays on USB logo NOKIA screen when holding 'U', or it decides that battery is too low for flashing and goes straight to booting linux/maemo to charge battery
Sep 19 13:02:12 <DocScrutinizer05> refer http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/  http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=Joerg+rw&to=Joerg+rx&namespace=2  http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/PC_syslog_of_USB_enum
Sep 19 13:06:00 <Maxdamantus> is that part of this "ACT_DEAD" state?
Sep 19 13:06:15 <DocScrutinizer05> read the comment
Sep 19 13:06:26 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, it is
Sep 19 13:07:00 <buZz> lol BL-5J
Sep 19 13:07:01 <DocScrutinizer05> though maybe only for me since I might have changed some sysconfig vars regarding what's active in ACT_DEAD
Sep 19 13:07:08 <buZz> nice going on not making that bootloop entry universal :D
Sep 19 13:07:09 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Sep 19 13:07:18 <buZz> ;)
Sep 19 13:07:45 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry you lost me
Sep 19 13:08:00 <buZz> thats ok
Sep 19 13:08:21 <buZz> i was commenting on that -maemo- has no dependancy on the 'BL-5J' battery
Sep 19 13:08:40 <buZz> so it does not make sense to make common knowledge base entries suggest that :D
Sep 19 13:08:46 <DocScrutinizer05> you still lost me. How could an OS have a dependency on a battery?
Sep 19 13:09:26 <DocScrutinizer05> and wtf is a "common knowledge base entry"?
Sep 19 13:09:47 <buZz> ~bootloop
Sep 19 13:09:48 <infobot> well, bootloop is when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.
Sep 19 13:10:11 <buZz> as far as i can tell, this applies to N700, N800 and N810 aswell
Sep 19 13:10:18 <buZz> which dont have a BL-5J
Sep 19 13:10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Sep 19 13:11:20 <DocScrutinizer05> N810 for exanple boots from external charger
Sep 19 13:11:23 <buZz> N800 doesnt have a rootfs? :D
Sep 19 13:11:30 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
Sep 19 13:11:32 <buZz> ah, so bootloop only applies to N900?
Sep 19 13:11:43 <buZz> maybe that entry should reflect that then ;)
Sep 19 13:12:25 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe you want to open a channel #maemo-diablo then?
Sep 19 13:12:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~chaninfo
Sep 19 13:12:49 <infobot> 123/123 channels, 4606 users, 3521 unique: #debian/1667, #kde/450, #gsoc/271, #asterisk/206, #maemo/187, #oe/138, #wowuidev/137, #wowace/92, #neo900/84, #cubieboard/79, #utah/78, #harmattan/64, #meego/59, #wowhead/56, #openmoko/54, #bzflag/52, #arm-netbook/49, #qi-hardware/48, #asterisk-dev/48, #webos-internals/46, #maemo-ssu/46, #openmoko-cdevel/44, #curseforge/42, #elinux/32, #uphpu/25, #slug/24, #sc2mapster/24, #gllug/22, #debianppc/
Sep 19 13:13:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~literal bootloop
Sep 19 13:13:02 <infobot> "#maemo bootloop" is "when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device."
Sep 19 13:13:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo #maemo bootloop
Sep 19 13:13:15 <infobot> #maemo bootloop -- created by DocScrutinizer05 <~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg> at Thu Oct  3 14:52:17 2013 (715 days); last modified at Sat Dec  7 00:45:24 2013 by DocScrutinizer05!~saturn@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 22 times, last by buZz, 3m 28s ago.
Sep 19 13:13:38 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: what for?
Sep 19 13:13:57 <DocScrutinizer05> how can I help you?
Sep 19 13:14:06 <buZz> ?
Sep 19 13:19:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~#maemo-diablo bootloop is <reply>No tested facts on that. However user buZz insisted that ~#maemo bootloop doesn't apply here since N810 has no BL-5J
Sep 19 13:19:40 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer05
Sep 19 13:21:58 <DocScrutinizer05> let me know when you have a #maemo-diablo channel and want infobot join it, with searchorder 'factoidSearch => $chan _default'
Sep 19 13:27:39 * buZz is pretty offended by your 'divide and conquer' angle
Sep 19 13:28:10 * DocScrutinizer05 is pretty pissed why peole think he should fix stuff for them
Sep 19 13:29:29 <buZz> i -didnt- think that
Sep 19 13:29:39 <buZz> YOU assumed so
Sep 19 13:29:56 <buZz> its cute you have helpdesk genes, but plz dont force them upon ppl
Sep 19 13:30:59 <DocScrutinizer05> *plonk*
Sep 19 13:32:49 <DocScrutinizer05> listen buddy! I created that factoid as you can see above. You criticized it. You're free to fix the factoid by yourself if you have a really better idea that also fits into the limitations of that system
Sep 19 13:35:03 <DocScrutinizer05> a "LOL" and criticism on something I created and then feeling *offended* when I suggest a solution (though admittedly tongue in cheek) while you could have done any improvement by yourself instead of going "LOL", that's pretty childish
Sep 19 13:36:33 <buZz> DocScrutinizer05: sorry that your actions have responses
Sep 19 13:36:59 <DocScrutinizer05> you're trying to be an asshat, right?
Sep 19 13:37:44 <buZz> done, welcome to my /ignore
Sep 19 13:37:51 <DocScrutinizer05> how about you rather contribute *constructively* instead of doing your trolling
Sep 19 13:39:46 <DocScrutinizer05> but yeah, /ignore works too. You don't need to see the truth about your actions
Sep 19 13:42:38 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how people come to think infobot was maemo specific or would hold any such thing like "common knowledge base entries" they need to criticize instead of simply fixing them
Sep 19 13:43:53 <KotCzarny> hidden context
Sep 19 13:44:57 <KotCzarny> human's thinking process is programmed to assume things and fill gaps
Sep 19 13:51:49 <DocScrutinizer05> I admit that though this channel is #maemo, it chengd a bit during last 5 years so now you very likely get a maemo-fremantle specific anser in here to any generic maemo related question
Sep 19 13:52:38 <KotCzarny> thats assuming, but usually people say which device they have 
Sep 19 13:53:08 <DocScrutinizer05> if you want to discuss N8x0 or Nokia 700 specific topics, you need to clearly specify so
Sep 19 13:54:54 <KotCzarny> nokia 770
Sep 19 13:55:05 <DocScrutinizer05> 770
Sep 19 13:57:45 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing (only tested on N900). E.g. using ~rescueOS (only known for N900). Or external charger or battery compatible other device.<< sounds great!
Sep 19 13:58:33 <DocScrutinizer05> alas won't fit into factoid reply string max length
Sep 19 14:01:02 <DocScrutinizer05> or rather, freenode MAXLENGTH
Sep 19 14:18:42 <joga> /run splitlong ? :p
Sep 19 15:12:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't think it's generally appreciated when a bot floods channels with oversized multiline posts
Sep 19 15:14:28 <DocScrutinizer05> the bot itself has a max length for factoid content, but freenode's MAXSIZE is even yet a tad shorter still
Sep 19 15:17:26 <DocScrutinizer05> actually there's no such thing like MAXSIZE in freenode's log in info, so I dunno where from it comes
Sep 19 15:17:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or MAXLENGTH
Sep 19 15:19:41 <DocScrutinizer05> NICKLEN=16 CHANNELLEN=50 TOPICLEN=390 CHANLIMIT=#:120 MAXLIST=bqeI:100
Sep 19 15:23:24 <DocScrutinizer05> rotfl at channames with 50 or more chars. #####################################################################
Sep 19 15:24:54 <DocScrutinizer05> 50 actually ##################################################
Sep 19 18:03:24 <KotCzarny> synaptic looks funny on n900's screen
Sep 19 18:03:51 <KotCzarny> is quite fast tho
Sep 19 18:50:32 <Vajb> just a thought for long answers from infobot. Why not to query them?
Sep 19 18:53:14 <KotCzarny> would require specifying target nick
Sep 19 18:57:24 <Vajb> target would be the one asking, right?
Sep 19 18:58:49 <KotCzarny> no, imagine you wanted to help someone
Sep 19 19:00:21 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: faster than apt?
Sep 19 19:00:57 <KotCzarny> sicelo, dont know if it uses apt commands or just apt-lib
Sep 19 19:01:44 <KotCzarny> but fast when displaying lists, also has many filters (ie. you can display removed packages with residual content etc)
Sep 19 19:10:12 <KotCzarny> if you want to check it i can give you package
Sep 19 19:12:27 <KotCzarny> but it builds without any problem 
Sep 19 19:12:29 <Sicelo> :)
Sep 19 19:12:32 <Sicelo> no thanks
Sep 19 19:12:45 <KotCzarny> you will need to hack gtkrc a bit to make it more readable (small screen)
Sep 19 19:12:48 <Sicelo> i think it has also existed in repos, hasn't it?
Sep 19 19:12:53 <KotCzarny> nope
Sep 19 19:13:01 <KotCzarny> no one bothered apparently
Sep 19 19:13:23 <KotCzarny> have you ever used synaptic?
Sep 19 19:13:24 <Sicelo> hmm, i seem to remember seing it
Sep 19 19:13:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tell Vajb about flashing
Sep 19 19:13:47 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: i use debian (since 5.0) so the answer is definitely  a yes
Sep 19 19:14:14 <KotCzarny> sicelo: for me, synaptic is one of the best dpkg/apt frontends
Sep 19 19:14:39 <KotCzarny> for maemo it would require some ui changes, though still is nice
Sep 19 19:14:43 <Vajb> so it already does that if asked
Sep 19 19:15:33 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: simple answer: there are no long answers from infobot since they would be useless for the standard usecase of bot: in channel factoid query
Sep 19 19:15:59 <Sicelo> $ apt-cache policy synaptic
Sep 19 19:16:15 <Sicelo>      0.62.1maemo2 0
Sep 19 19:16:15 <Sicelo>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages
Sep 19 19:16:15 <Sicelo>      0.62.1maemo1 0
Sep 19 19:16:15 <Sicelo>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages
Sep 19 19:16:22 <KotCzarny> non-free?
Sep 19 19:16:22 <Sicelo> non-free???
Sep 19 19:16:23 <KotCzarny> O.o
Sep 19 19:16:29 <Sicelo> very strange
Sep 19 19:16:32 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: try ~help
Sep 19 19:16:49 <Vajb> ~help
Sep 19 19:18:00 <Vajb> it got loads of features
Sep 19 19:18:29 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: please do me a favor and try ~+help, I want to find out if that's a privileged command
Sep 19 19:18:45 <Vajb> ~+help
Sep 19 19:18:46 <infobot> I learn mainly by observing declarative statements such as "x is at http://www.xxx.com", and then reply when people ask things like "where can i find x?"
Sep 19 19:18:47 <infobot> 37 topics: action, addressing, alternation, author, banadd, bandel, botmail, chanadd, chandel, chaninfo, chanset, chanunset, chattr, chnick, chpass, contents, convert, cookie, corrections, cpustats, crypt, cycle, dauthor, dbugs, ddesc, dfind, dice, dict, dns, do, dollar variables, dstats, factinfo, factstats, flags, forget, freshmeat
Sep 19 19:18:47 <infobot> 39 topics: google, hex, hex2ip, hostadd, hostdel, httpdtype, identify, ignore, ircstats, join, karma, kernel, kick, lart, lc, listauth, listkeys, listvalues, literal, lobotomy, lock, main, math, md5, mode, news, news add, news del, news mod, news set, news set expire, nickometer, onjoin, ord, page, part, piglatin, quote, redirection
Sep 19 19:18:47 <infobot> 33 topics: rename, reply, reverse, rot13, rssfeeds, say, scramble, search, seen, slashdot, spell, status, tell, topic, topic add, topic del, topic mod, topic mv, topic restore, translate, uc, unforget, unlobotomy, unlock, upsidedown, uptime, useradd, userdel, verstats, wantnick, whois, wikipedia, wtf
Sep 19 19:18:59 <DocScrutinizer05> obviously not :-) thanks Vajb
Sep 19 19:19:15 <Vajb> np :)
Sep 19 19:19:22 <Vajb> off to sleep now
Sep 19 19:19:26 <DocScrutinizer05> n8
Sep 19 19:21:32 <KotCzarny> sicelo, maybe uploader didnt know how to build package through autobuilder
Sep 19 19:22:51 <Sicelo> um, i was about to agree with you .. but checked who that was
Sep 19 19:22:57 <KotCzarny> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synaptic/
Sep 19 19:24:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ~rot13 LOTS OF FEATURES
Sep 19 19:24:24 <infobot> YBGF BS SRNGHERF
Sep 19 19:24:25 <Sicelo> MAG is/was the maintainer .. so definitely not a case of not knowing autobuilder
Sep 19 19:24:32 <Sicelo> more likely human mistake :/
Sep 19 19:25:02 <KotCzarny> i mean, it could have given problems to autobuilder
Sep 19 19:25:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+help math
Sep 19 19:25:05 <infobot>    Desc: math expresions can be evaluated. This uses Perl syntax.
Sep 19 19:25:06 <infobot> Example: 1+1
Sep 19 19:25:06 <infobot> + - add
Sep 19 19:25:06 <infobot> - - subtract
Sep 19 19:25:06 <infobot> * - multiply
Sep 19 19:25:07 <infobot> / - division
Sep 19 19:25:07 <infobot> ** - to the power
Sep 19 19:25:07 <infobot> pi - pi
Sep 19 19:25:07 <infobot> & - and
Sep 19 19:25:08 <infobot> | = or
Sep 19 19:25:08 <infobot> ^ - xor
Sep 19 19:25:15 <KotCzarny> some deps or build errors
Sep 19 19:26:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~25!
Sep 19 19:26:31 <infobot> 25! is, like, 15,511,210,043,330,985,984,000,000
Sep 19 19:26:47 <DocScrutinizer05> cheating ;-)
Sep 19 19:27:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ~factinfo 25!
Sep 19 19:27:21 <infobot> 25! -- created by localhost <root@a1-3c045.neo.rr.com> at Tue Oct 30 14:25:27 2001 (5072 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer05, 50s ago.
Sep 19 19:30:16 <kerio> ~35!
Sep 19 19:30:16 <infobot> 35! is, like, 10,333,147,966,386,144,929,666,651,337,523,200,000,000
Sep 19 19:30:17 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.org/packages/view/synaptic/
Sep 19 19:30:22 <kerio> ~720!
Sep 19 19:30:27 <KotCzarny> apparently he tried building and it failed
Sep 19 19:30:29 <kerio> rip infobot
Sep 19 19:31:07 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks infobot
Sep 19 19:31:16 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks apt
Sep 19 19:31:23 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks purl
Sep 19 19:31:23 <infobot> sure thing, DocScrutinizer05
Sep 19 19:32:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~uptime
Sep 19 19:32:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Sep 19 19:32:24 <infobot> - Uptime for purl -
Sep 19 19:32:25 <infobot> Now: 1d 1h 22m 9s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Sep 19 19:32:25 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Sep 19 19:32:25 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Sep 19 19:32:25 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Sep 19 19:37:42 <DocScrutinizer05> better freenode weather back in the 2009,2010s, less nasty netsplits
Sep 19 19:39:37 <DocScrutinizer05> btw took me quite long to understand that are the top 3 uptimes, not the last 3
Sep 19 19:44:33 <qknight> hey. i have a n900 and i want to install gst-launcher, the problem is that downloads.maemo.nokia.com is not there anymore. is there still hope?
Sep 19 19:44:46 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Sep 19 19:44:47 <infobot> from memory, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Sep 19 19:45:09 <KotCzarny> unofficial mirrors are there
Sep 19 20:05:00 <qknight> cool! got gstreamer-tools now installed! thanks a lot
Sep 19 20:14:28 <totalizator> oh lel http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/09/19/1731242/crash-chrome-with-16-characters?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter
Sep 19 20:19:35 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 19 20:56:43 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Sep 20 01:09:04 <Maxdamantus> Hm. Does Opera try to hide the fact that their "Mini" browsers always use a proxy?
Sep 20 01:09:16 * Maxdamantus can't find any mention of something like that in the UI.
Sep 20 01:11:12 * Maxdamantus wonders what their business model is.
Sep 20 01:12:17 <totalizator> US news headlines FTW: "Calif. deputy shoots at driver from helicopter; suspect dead"
Sep 20 01:33:09 <DocScrutinizer05> hooray
Sep 20 02:00:08 <ds3> selling information? :D
Sep 20 02:19:51 <Maxdamantus> Apparently phone manufacturers pay them to be able to include Opera Mini in their OSes.
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