**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Sep 22 02:59:59 2015 Sep 22 05:28:49 stryngs: not everyone is a bit leecher Sep 22 05:29:01 5mbit isnt bat for everyday use Sep 22 05:33:37 My connection is about three times that. Sep 22 05:35:09 still. Sep 22 07:11:12 "3 times2 is an irrelevant improvement in IT Sep 22 07:11:18 "3 times" Sep 22 07:11:37 "10 times" is significant Sep 22 07:11:42 ;-) Sep 22 07:12:13 sorry, just kidding. Actually anything smaller "2 times" is considered irrelevant Sep 22 07:12:35 3 times is rather noticeable Sep 22 07:13:03 unfortunately last mile / home uplinks dont follow moor's law Sep 22 07:13:14 no matter if link bandwitch, or storage, memory, CPU speed... Sep 22 07:13:27 bandwidth* Sep 22 07:13:46 bencoh: yeah, they stopped to do that Sep 22 07:14:00 for a few years they were even way better Sep 22 07:16:03 actually my 16/1 is usually OK for down. what frequently sucks is uplink bandwidth Sep 22 07:16:16 :) Sep 22 07:16:19 i have 5/5 Sep 22 07:16:39 the lowest from this isp Sep 22 07:16:55 but yeah, uplink matters more than downlink for me Sep 22 07:28:56 actually there are two classes of metrics: when your video stream needs 8.2Mbit but you have only 8; when your program needs 50 bytes more RAM than you got; when you have a shootout in Tinseltown and the deputy has a internet link 10ms faster than yours - those are the "does it suffice?" cases (maemo 256MB RAM is one of those). For the generics "this machine feels so much faster than that machine" case otoh nothing matters that's smaller Sep 22 07:28:58 than a full two-times improvement Sep 22 07:29:38 for the first class overclocking might be a valid solution Sep 22 07:30:02 (not for maemo since RAM is the bottleneck) Sep 22 07:30:18 unless we talk 768p here Sep 22 07:30:32 or other highres video formats Sep 22 07:30:57 for which overclocking is almost mandatory Sep 22 07:40:50 * DocScrutinizer05 just had a "patent" idea for handling inbound calls on devices with scarce resources that need time to establish: do NOT try to establish a full duplex voice connection immediately - rather playback a calling tone to the remote caller and the called party simply switches off that tone generator when all resources for a decent stutter-free full duplex audio are established Sep 22 07:42:51 wow Sep 22 07:42:57 k-lines Sep 22 07:45:30 on a developer .... wtf Sep 22 07:46:01 maybe some iprange splash damage Sep 22 07:57:15 yea we had like a hundred spam accounts in #znc Sep 22 07:57:23 there was some mass K-lining Sep 22 08:22:39 09:45:30 < bencoh> on a developer .... wtf Sep 22 08:22:40 no Sep 22 08:22:43 on irccloud.com Sep 22 08:22:47 that shitfest Sep 22 08:30:37 it should be reversed now Sep 22 08:31:28 ariqs: accidental kline of irc clound Sep 22 08:31:47 ircclown* Sep 22 08:32:21 jwheare: I haven't fully caught up to what happened here (I dropped by shortly after the kline happened) Sep 22 08:33:15 admit it, someone took their cat to work no? Sep 22 08:34:39 and as always, if there are abuse issues that we can address, please contact abuse@irccloud.com Sep 22 08:35:52 jwheare: yeah, we tend to forget just how large your service is until something like this happens... Sep 22 08:36:17 :D Sep 22 09:04:58 during last 12 months there were actually three where adobe had only one security update. Instead the usual 2 or more Sep 22 09:05:28 and I guess all were considered critical Sep 22 09:05:50 \o/ adobe flash Sep 22 09:07:38 what a crap Sep 22 09:12:59 23/113 Technical Warnings are for Adobe. This is for _all_ technical warnings regarding all relevant OS for end users, during 2014 http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/22/plasma-desktopjq1947.png Sep 22 09:14:02 I.E. the rest is for Mac, windows, linux, all other apps... Sep 22 09:15:28 firefox: 11 Sep 22 09:16:00 and not all of them were security updates Sep 22 09:25:15 http://wstaw.org/m/2015/09/22/plasma-desktopPw1947.png Sep 22 09:26:59 well, if they made flawless apps coders would be jobless ;) Sep 22 09:27:33 Maybe they'd be doing something more productive. Sep 22 09:28:07 it is like coders "lightbulb conspiracy" Sep 22 09:30:31 never attribute to malice what could as well get explained by mere incompetence Sep 22 09:50:51 true that Sep 22 09:51:57 Excuses. Sep 22 09:52:30 Coders are money-grubbing time wasters. Sep 22 09:53:17 that's true in either case ;-D Sep 22 10:30:31 moin :) Sep 22 11:03:26 timeless is back! Sep 22 11:03:44 yeah, um, irccloud got klined Sep 22 11:03:50 what's up? Sep 22 11:04:06 good morning, happy new year Sep 22 11:04:57 and g'mar chatimah tova + Tzom Kal Sep 22 11:09:54 timeless: hi! long time no see Sep 22 11:10:11 hi Sep 22 11:11:38 (irccloud) yeah some freenode operator used *the big hammer[TM]* to fix an issue with some spammers Sep 22 11:12:23 yes! I'm a big hammer! Sep 22 11:13:07 they used you to k-line irccloud? ;-) Sep 22 11:15:28 lol Sep 22 11:35:29 heh Sep 22 16:32:16 hum, patient: n900 with broken screen and modem, on tv-out i see only yellow bar (but it disappears when device gets locked via switch, and appears when unlocked, so it boots to os). what could be the cause? i've noticed it on two different tvs (both lcd tho) Sep 22 16:33:59 I need to get more space on root. What is the best way to get rid of any dependencies that were installed and not removed when the parent package was removed? Sep 22 16:34:40 because I know I have installed several things with apt-get which pulled down other needed packages, and when I uninstalled the other package, it left the dependencies Sep 22 16:34:52 deborphan doesn't seem to exist Sep 22 16:34:55 never ever use apt-get autoremove, thats for sure Sep 22 16:35:12 KotCzarny: heh, looked into that, but it only found one package Sep 22 16:35:14 just go through packages trying to remove things that dont depend on system Sep 22 16:36:09 i can give you list of packages from my system, so you can compare Sep 22 16:36:37 KotCzarny: like dpkg --get-selections output? (don't even know if that works on this system..) Sep 22 16:36:40 there is also synaptic in extras-devel (you can run it on n900 with DISPLAY pointing to your pc, so its easier to click Sep 22 16:36:47 esaym153: yeah Sep 22 16:36:56 KotCzarny: yea, that will work Sep 22 16:37:26 do you have plain fremantle or cssu installed? Sep 22 16:37:38 KotCzarny: this is n810 diablo Sep 22 16:37:44 should have mentioned... Sep 22 16:37:56 ahm, yeah, quite important bit of info Sep 22 16:37:59 lol Sep 22 16:38:18 n800 should have similar set as its also diablo Sep 22 16:38:26 let me find it in the stash Sep 22 16:38:31 :) Sep 22 16:50:03 cant find it Sep 22 16:51:22 i might've left it at gf's place Sep 22 16:51:56 still, make a script that lists installed packages, grabs installed sizes, sort and print out Sep 22 16:56:31 yea Sep 22 17:10:36 ive found it, do you still want that list? Sep 22 17:50:58 does anyone run fresh marble on a n900? Sep 22 17:52:48 esaym153: https://transfer.sh/10ekkF/n800-diablo-packages-kc.txt Sep 22 17:53:06 mind you, it's not freshly flashed device (ie. its the current state of my device) Sep 22 17:53:43 so there are things that are not needed for other users Sep 22 18:48:10 KotCzarny: ty Sep 22 19:49:05 hmm, is there an applet to switch usb mode? (charging only/mass storage/pc suite) Sep 22 19:49:15 yes Sep 22 19:49:24 in the notification/icon panel Sep 22 19:49:37 it only displays mode Sep 22 19:49:48 cant click it to change it Sep 22 19:49:52 I think I could Sep 22 19:49:54 are you on cssu? Sep 22 19:50:09 yes i think Sep 22 19:50:17 let me try it Sep 22 19:51:18 for me it says: "USB Connected" "Charging only" Sep 22 19:51:24 When I press it, a menu pops up Sep 22 19:51:26 and I can change it Sep 22 19:51:27 hmm Sep 22 19:51:39 but only when I start it from charging Sep 22 19:51:45 I can't switch back from mass mode to charging only Sep 22 19:53:39 22:49:49] are you on cssu? Sep 22 19:53:39 i wonder what does this question mean these days Sep 22 19:54:01 it means that one installed one of cssu flavours Sep 22 19:54:15 or not (stock fremantle) Sep 22 19:54:16 L29Ah: Why? Sep 22 19:55:04 somewhere i saw cssu is awesome Sep 22 19:55:11 i pressed some button "go to cssu" Sep 22 19:55:16 and nothing changed Sep 22 19:55:43 uh... Sep 22 19:55:47 I think you should read the wiki Sep 22 19:55:52 ~cssu Sep 22 19:55:52 [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Sep 22 19:56:57 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features hm ok Sep 22 20:44:36 KotCzarny: i think that dialog only pops up when you connect your n900 to pc. Sep 22 20:45:10 and sometimes, if phone accidentally mistakes charger to be pc Sep 22 20:46:51 ceene: .21 version of yappari is working great. Two days without any crashes. Keep up the good work :) Sep 22 20:51:00 vajb, i was asking about some custom applet maybe Sep 22 20:52:30 well then i don't know any. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Sep 23 02:59:59 2015