**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 30 02:59:59 2015
Sep 30 03:28:41 <ebzzry> Who uses texlive here?
Sep 30 04:35:31 <Maxdamantus> ebzzry: you mean on the N900?
Sep 30 04:35:44 <Maxdamantus> I'm pretty sure I have, but not seriously.
Sep 30 04:35:51 <ebzzry> Maxdamantus: yes
Sep 30 04:36:03 <ebzzry> I can't install `texlive` using -devel
Sep 30 04:36:17 <ebzzry> it borks somewhere
Sep 30 04:36:26 <Maxdamantus> I just have it in a Debian root.
Sep 30 04:37:06 <ebzzry> Maxdamantus: ok
Sep 30 05:21:47 <ebzzry> Why can I use FCamera, but not the built-in camera. When I do use the latter, I get: Internal error. Application 'Camera' closed.
Sep 30 05:33:32 <ds3> is apkenv still maintained for the N900 anymore?
Sep 30 05:38:51 <kerio> was it ever maintained?
Sep 30 05:40:38 <ds3> at one point there was N900 binaries... I am happy to consider it "maintained"
Sep 30 05:50:10 <Vajb> ebzzry: they use different drivers which are not compatible with each other
Sep 30 05:51:44 <ebzzry> Vajb: OK. Should I uninstall FCamera, for the built-in Camera to work?
Sep 30 05:53:02 <ebzzry> Vajb: I'll experiment with it.
Sep 30 06:00:36 <ebzzry> I just restored from a backup. I can use all Camera, FCamera, and BlessN900 well.
Sep 30 06:05:38 <ebzzry> ds3: do you have the .deb for N900?
Sep 30 06:33:48 <Oksana> ebzzry: Try https://www.dropbox.com/s/dnxolqjyqaygkup/Archive.zip ?
Sep 30 06:34:07 * Oksana hasn't used it, so no guarantees
Sep 30 06:42:39 <ds3> ebzzry: nope
Sep 30 06:42:47 <ebzzry> ds3: ok
Sep 30 06:42:55 <ebzzry> Oksana: let me check that
Sep 30 06:43:33 <ds3> doesn't that still require a manual extraction of bionic?
Sep 30 07:09:31 <princefakhan> I had a working apkenv. sadly, I lost the hard disk.
Sep 30 07:09:42 <princefakhan> maybe it's on my drive
Sep 30 07:09:47 <princefakhan> google drive.
Sep 30 07:11:02 <princefakhan> nah.
Sep 30 07:13:35 <princefakhan> I actually do. I missed he folder. lol
Sep 30 07:13:40 <princefakhan> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9zjab5kfpM8cXVUX1dkMmEzOTg&usp=sharing
Sep 30 07:25:01 <bencoh> ebzzry: you dont need to remove fcamera to use stock camera-ui
Sep 30 07:37:54 <ebzzry> Is it safe to optify /usr/lib/microb-engine?
Sep 30 09:09:19 <Maxdamantus> Previous LMD 1572, now 1588
Sep 30 09:09:28 <KotCzarny> polarcell?
Sep 30 09:09:31 <Maxdamantus> Yes.
Sep 30 09:09:41 <KotCzarny> now you see why it was recommended
Sep 30 09:10:05 <Maxdamantus> Are they usually that much over specification?
Sep 30 09:10:17 <KotCzarny> i wonder how well will they hold after 3-5 years
Sep 30 09:10:31 <KotCzarny> maxd: yes
Sep 30 09:13:43 <Maxdamantus> And it's not likely that the Germans that made it put in software that produces false efficiency results?
Sep 30 09:14:00 <KotCzarny> nope, its data from charging chip, not battery
Sep 30 09:14:07 <Maxdamantus> I know. I was kidding.
Sep 30 09:14:21 <Maxdamantus> (because of the Volkswagen thing)
Sep 30 09:14:31 <KotCzarny> i have one fake thinkpad battery with fake firmware
Sep 30 09:14:43 <KotCzarny> always set to ~60mWh
Sep 30 09:14:47 <KotCzarny> Wh
Sep 30 09:15:20 <KotCzarny> but i see it getting old because laptop turns off forcibly even with charge still reported
Sep 30 10:55:39 <zGrr> moin :)
Sep 30 15:30:15 <Hangover-n-Sorro> Good day. Could somebody remove "109.188.127.17" from blacklist? Can't get to talk.maemo :(
Sep 30 15:31:29 <sixwheeledbeast> Hangover-n-Sorro: email tachstaff <at> maemo.org with your request. That IP must be on a forum spam list.
Sep 30 15:31:53 <Hangover-n-Sorro> sixwheeledbeast, thx!
Sep 30 15:31:56 <sixwheeledbeast> *techstaff, obviously :S
Sep 30 15:32:03 <Hangover-n-Sorro> ;-)
Sep 30 15:38:01 <sixwheeledbeast> ~fix-ribbon
Sep 30 15:38:07 <sixwheeledbeast> ~fixribbon
Sep 30 15:38:07 <infobot> methinks fixribbon is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1324171#post1324171
Sep 30 15:52:48 <KotCzarny> hmm
Sep 30 15:55:58 <KotCzarny> could be that my fourth spare-parts n900 has broken ribbon in addition to broken lcd
Sep 30 17:50:42 <merlin1991> ~seen javispedro
Sep 30 17:50:45 <infobot> javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 311d 50m ago, saying: 'they don't, but you will have poor signal in stock n900'.
Sep 30 17:50:52 <merlin1991> dang
Sep 30 17:51:37 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=20901
Sep 30 17:51:43 <KotCzarny> Last Activity: Today 12:23
Sep 30 17:51:49 <KotCzarny> if its the same person
Sep 30 17:52:22 <KotCzarny> pm him there
Sep 30 17:54:53 <merlin1991> it's him but irc so much easier :D
Sep 30 17:57:58 <KotCzarny> pm him to join irc
Sep 30 17:58:00 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 30 17:58:25 * merlin1991 atm is reviving his metawatch trying to remember which firmware git commit still worked
Sep 30 17:58:35 <merlin1991> so far I flashed 3 times into a reboot loop :D
Sep 30 17:58:57 <KotCzarny> um, firmware git?
Sep 30 17:59:01 <KotCzarny> what's that?
Sep 30 17:59:09 <merlin1991> don't ask
Sep 30 17:59:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 30 17:59:14 <merlin1991> it's better not to know :D
Sep 30 17:59:23 <kerio> git bisect
Sep 30 17:59:32 <kerio> also check the reflog?
Sep 30 17:59:39 <merlin1991> kerio: you need a "good" start point for that :D
Sep 30 18:01:21 <merlin1991> heh found another bad one
Sep 30 18:01:52 <KotCzarny> is it some secret super project to make n900 the best mobile device?
Sep 30 18:02:48 <merlin1991> no it's my pet project of having the smartwatch I like un my jolla again :D
Sep 30 18:03:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Sep 30 18:03:53 <bencoh> aww, didnt know you went jolla
Sep 30 18:04:08 <bencoh> I thought you stayed on n900 :)
Sep 30 18:04:17 <KotCzarny> n9 has 1G of mem
Sep 30 18:04:31 <kerio> yea if i wanted a dead platform with no users and no apps i'd stay on the n900
Sep 30 18:04:35 <KotCzarny> which means it has a chance of having normal browsing experience
Sep 30 18:05:00 <KotCzarny> kerio: you just need few apps you like than bazillion of ad infested crap
Sep 30 18:05:14 <KotCzarny> unless you are into such thing
Sep 30 18:05:15 <merlin1991> bencoh: I went n9, then jolla, but still have my several trusty n900
Sep 30 18:05:25 <merlin1991> and will contribute to neo900 stuff when it comes around
Sep 30 18:05:39 <merlin1991> actually want to invest some time into cssu again coming months
Sep 30 18:05:58 <bencoh> yay <3
Sep 30 18:09:29 <merlin1991> hm if i don't find the proper fw version soon I'll find a way to dump the flash from one of the watches onto the new one
Sep 30 18:12:39 <bencoh> pebble?
Sep 30 18:14:02 <merlin1991> metawatch
Sep 30 18:14:08 <merlin1991> gen1
Sep 30 18:14:10 <merlin1991> oldschool :D
Sep 30 18:14:28 <merlin1991> from 2011
Sep 30 18:14:37 <KotCzarny> n900 is from 2008
Sep 30 18:14:39 <KotCzarny> ;)
Sep 30 18:15:00 <bencoh> 2009* but :)
Sep 30 18:15:03 <merlin1991> I did find the right version but i'm not sure anymore if I flashed from git
Sep 30 18:15:11 <merlin1991> or found the 1.5.1 fw somewhere else
Sep 30 18:15:26 <merlin1991> if this rebootloops again I can try some age old fw I had lying around ...
Sep 30 18:15:41 <bencoh> oh, it doesnt look uglier than apple watch :*
Sep 30 18:16:44 <bencoh> is it just me or they're all out of stock ?
Sep 30 18:16:56 <merlin1991> they are
Sep 30 18:16:59 <merlin1991> since like forever
Sep 30 18:17:06 <bencoh> mmm"kay
Sep 30 18:17:23 <merlin1991> no idea what the company is doing nowadays
Sep 30 18:17:37 <merlin1991> they also closed the platform more and more with each generation
Sep 30 18:18:15 <bencoh> sounds sad
Sep 30 18:19:04 <merlin1991> they had a developer sdk page and a forum, that did go away too some time ago
Sep 30 18:23:55 <merlin1991> hm the known good version didn't break the watch
Sep 30 18:24:03 <merlin1991> but it's not the one I want
Sep 30 19:26:36 <KotCzarny> wow, sim tray for n9 is for 5usd on ebay
Sep 30 19:31:10 <KotCzarny> and usb door another 5
Sep 30 19:31:12 <KotCzarny> O.o
Sep 30 19:31:50 <KotCzarny> i know there is supply and demand, but 5usd for tiny piece of rubber o.o
Sep 30 19:52:42 <KotCzarny> anyone knows if those parts are compatible with lumia 800?
Sep 30 20:17:41 <totalizator> this is business, not a charity! :3
Sep 30 20:18:37 <KotCzarny> pf
Sep 30 20:36:36 <Sicelo> they aren't rubber btw :)
Sep 30 20:39:08 <totalizator> pure gold :E
Sep 30 22:03:21 <ebzzry> Is 'Settings > General > Device lock' and 'Power menu > Secure device' different?
Sep 30 22:05:56 <Sicelo> yes, and no
Sep 30 22:06:32 <Sicelo> yes, because in Settings, you can define the behaviour you want. Power Menu enables the lock
Sep 30 22:15:36 <ebzzry> Sicelo: Do they share code?
Sep 30 22:19:19 <Sicelo> you mean the lock code? yes, there's only one code
Sep 30 22:22:21 <sixwheeledbeast> ebzzry: "lock device" is like a key/screen lock, "secure device" is a PIN code lock. Do not use secure if you don't know your pin.
Sep 30 22:23:10 <ebzzry> What is the character limit of the code?
Sep 30 22:26:33 <ebzzry> I didn't mean 'Power menu > Lock screen and keys'
Sep 30 22:28:25 <ebzzry> By the way, is there still a way to use the device, when 'Secure device' was used?
Sep 30 22:30:16 <bencoh> you can still try and retrieve the code from the cal partition and bruteforce it (with john iirc)
Sep 30 22:30:51 <ebzzry> bencoh: Is it documented somewhere?
Sep 30 22:31:29 <bencoh> maybe in some TMO post
Sep 30 22:31:38 <ebzzry> bencoh: ok
Sep 30 22:32:29 <bencoh> iirc you can also override CAL with some default known (encrypted/hashed) value
Sep 30 22:33:37 <bencoh> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37808
Sep 30 22:34:23 <Sicelo> 17:22 < sixwheeledbeast> ebzzry: "lock device" is like a key/screen lock << this isn't exactly correct, if we're talking about 'Settings > General > Device lock'
Sep 30 22:39:26 <ebzzry> What is the limit of the lock code? How many characters?
Sep 30 23:17:14 <Oksana> Funny >> I assume my keyboard removed/connected messages and repeating key presses are caused by 2G radio interference. << http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93156&page=180
Sep 30 23:22:36 <ebzzry> Oh, it's 10
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