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Oct 02 05:24:26 <Oksana> In what situation, Nokia N900 would, instead of booting up, just show bright white LED and then dim it out? Battery is fully charged
Oct 02 05:25:59 <freemangordon> Oksana: corrupted 1st stage BL?
Oct 02 05:31:28 <Oksana> How to flash it, if possible?
Oct 02 05:31:47 <Oksana> Okay, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing
Oct 02 05:32:24 <Oksana> What will go wrong if HW revision is incorrect?
Oct 02 05:32:54 <freemangordon> wron 1st stage BL will be flashed :)
Oct 02 05:32:57 <freemangordon> *wrong
Oct 02 05:33:14 <Oksana> And so it will same white LED dimming out? | Do I need root access on Linux computer to run flasher-3.5 ?
Oct 02 05:34:46 <freemangordon> well, even with wrong 1st stage BL, it should still boot. But I am not sure how it will behave - for example 2101 and 2204 have different PoP RAM chips (2x128 vs 1x256)
Oct 02 05:35:08 <freemangordon> and yes, you need root iirc
Oct 02 05:35:23 <freemangordon> so, you'd better flash the correct 1st stage
Oct 02 05:35:41 <Oksana> How do I find HW revision? Is it printed on the device itself? | Okay, so workplace-Linux computers are out: I do not have root access to them.
Oct 02 05:36:49 <freemangordon> Oksana: No idea, try to remember it
Oct 02 05:36:53 <freemangordon> *recall
Oct 02 05:37:37 <freemangordon> BTW, it could be coorupted 2nd stage (aka NOLO), so first check if the device can be flashed in a normal way
Oct 02 05:38:04 <freemangordon> and only then try cold-flash
Oct 02 05:38:39 <Oksana> Okay, will check. flasher-3.5 -i . Any tricks with using flasher-3.5 on Windows XP (32bit) ?
Oct 02 05:39:06 <freemangordon> nothing special iirc
Oct 02 05:40:53 * Oksana hopes that there is still flasher-3.5 and libusb on the computer, because I did not use flasher-3.5 for a very long time
Oct 02 05:45:28 <KotCzarny> you can download it 
Oct 02 06:08:16 <Oksana> What's the mirror of Nokia repositories? Cannot seem to find it
Oct 02 06:08:22 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Oct 02 06:08:22 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Oct 02 06:09:47 * Oksana does not see flasher-3.5
Oct 02 06:10:00 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Oct 02 06:10:00 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Oct 02 06:12:41 <KotCzarny> flasher is in the tgz
Oct 02 06:12:48 <KotCzarny> unless you need windows one
Oct 02 06:14:17 <Oksana> Hooray! And yes, at the moment I am trying to use the fact that I have admin access on my workplace Windows 7 Enterprise computer
Oct 02 06:15:28 <KotCzarny> http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/
Oct 02 06:15:33 <KotCzarny> here you can find mirror
Oct 02 06:15:42 <KotCzarny> but check md5sum just in case
Oct 02 06:15:53 <KotCzarny> and get 3.5.x not 3.12 by mistake
Oct 02 06:15:59 <DocScrutinizer05> recovering from an extraordinary failure on device side by using a non-standard (i.e. 'windoze') PC sounds like begging for trouble that could and should be avoided
Oct 02 06:17:21 <Oksana> Well, it can hardly get worse. And I will follow the instructions at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing
Oct 02 06:17:55 <KotCzarny> hmm, i wonder if nokia/m$ would mind if maemo.org hosted firmwares and tools
Oct 02 06:19:01 <Oksana> They probably would. But you can ask. Just keep local mirror, in case they take down all Internet mirrors
Oct 02 06:19:24 <KotCzarny> mirroring that fladnag side, just in case
Oct 02 06:24:56 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot.png
Oct 02 06:25:21 <KotCzarny> no windows tools
Oct 02 06:25:40 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: I *strongly* recommend to NOT coldflash the device unless you know exactly it's needed
Oct 02 06:27:48 <DocScrutinizer05> asking Nokia about hosting those tools is wasted energy and possibly detrimental to maemo - it has been done a dozen times before and Nokia told we should stop asking since there's no way it ever will happen
Oct 02 06:28:02 <KotCzarny> pity
Oct 02 06:28:12 <KotCzarny> do they have a reason for denying it?
Oct 02 06:28:47 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo is below M$ radar, and we want to keep it like that
Oct 02 06:32:19 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: connect device to linux machine, check syslog, see if NOLO enumerates USB
Oct 02 06:33:03 <DocScrutinizer05> or use flasher -i and see if NOLO answers, in that case you a) have HW version, and b) don't need it since NOLO is working
Oct 02 06:34:42 <Oksana> What's interesting, flasher-3.5 says suitable device not found, waiting, and inf-wizard says that it is in storage mode, not update mode
Oct 02 06:35:32 <KotCzarny> are you sure battery i ok?
Oct 02 06:35:37 <KotCzarny> *is
Oct 02 06:35:54 <Oksana> Now update mode, I needed to press U
Oct 02 06:36:25 <Oksana> battery is fully charged, yes
Oct 02 06:36:30 <DocScrutinizer05> remove battery, plug in USB, hold U(!), insert battery. See if NOKIA screen with USB icon comes up
Oct 02 06:37:29 <DocScrutinizer05> storage mode is only possible when linux booted, so what's your problem?
Oct 02 06:39:14 <DocScrutinizer05> probably your device is busy for hours with fsck, and you want to ruin it by coldflashing a wrong hw version NOLO
Oct 02 06:39:23 <Oksana> Problem is, nothing on display. I could try a different display, yes
Oct 02 06:39:48 <Oksana> But if it was just display, it should have given sounds. But it could be in silent mode
Oct 02 06:39:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you could listen
Oct 02 06:40:00 <DocScrutinizer05> remove battery, plug in USB, hold U(!), insert battery. See if NOKIA screen with USB icon comes up
Oct 02 06:40:08 <Oksana> No, it does not.
Oct 02 06:40:28 <Oksana> Display is ever-ever black
Oct 02 06:40:39 <KotCzarny> could be
Oct 02 06:40:44 <Sicelo> Vajb: 1) too little information, 2) completely useless if battery data is somehow missing. bnf isn't serving my needs at all. i don't keep software on my N900 if i don't use it :)
Oct 02 06:40:45 <DocScrutinizer05> then when it even shows up in device manager of PC, it's highly likely the display is defect
Oct 02 06:41:24 <DocScrutinizer05> however you can't debug such stuff with a windoze PC, at least I don't know how
Oct 02 06:41:41 <KotCzarny> pity n900 requires working lcd module, otherwise it would be a nice to just attach tv
Oct 02 06:41:47 <KotCzarny> or some tv grabber card
Oct 02 06:42:20 <KotCzarny> at least sscreen swap is easy and quick
Oct 02 06:44:35 * Oksana is waiting for screwdrivers
Oct 02 06:44:51 <KotCzarny> you just need size 00 or 000 philips screwdriver
Oct 02 06:45:07 <KotCzarny> torx is only needed if you want to get to mobo
Oct 02 06:46:17 <Oksana> Yes, I remember but I don't have a single screwdriver at hand, at the moment
Oct 02 06:46:25 <KotCzarny> hum
Oct 02 06:46:36 <KotCzarny> ask someone?
Oct 02 06:46:47 <KotCzarny> some people do carry such things 
Oct 02 06:46:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
Oct 02 06:47:18 <DocScrutinizer05> btw white indicator light is no hw feature, NOLO needs to set it
Oct 02 06:47:54 <DocScrutinizer05> IOW white indicator means at least NOLO starts and runs until talking to LP5523 indiactor LED controller chip
Oct 02 06:48:39 <Oksana> Okay. And if I just plug in USB, then it has orange blinking charging light. So, it could be case of "display not working". Need to check that.
Oct 02 06:48:50 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the white indicator gets ramped up and that's also NOLO doing this
Oct 02 06:49:15 <Oksana> Though it would be convenient to get flasher-3.5 working
Oct 02 06:49:16 <DocScrutinizer05> connect TV
Oct 02 06:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you listen to whatr I'm pasing in here?
Oct 02 06:50:23 <Oksana> Yes, that most likely NOLO is fine, and if I find TV cable for N900, I could try to check with this
Oct 02 06:50:38 <KotCzarny> most likely your os booted
Oct 02 06:51:11 <DocScrutinizer05> oh nm, no windows software either
Oct 02 06:51:35 <Oksana> Booted, right. And I don't know how to shut it down. Because LED blinking is not long enough to tell me when it completely shuts down.
Oct 02 06:51:50 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly there's no such thing like a windows flasher-3.5, there is Nokia-suite
Oct 02 06:51:57 <KotCzarny> oksana, press power button for a few sec?
Oct 02 06:52:06 <Oksana> Actually, it could be stuck at welcome screen...
Oct 02 06:52:55 <KotCzarny> oksana, try booting rescueos and disabling welcome screen
Oct 02 06:53:33 <Oksana> Hooray, flasher-3.5 works. HW revision 2204
Oct 02 06:53:45 <DocScrutinizer05> windows?
Oct 02 06:53:54 <Oksana> Yes, Win7Ent 64bit
Oct 02 06:53:56 <KotCzarny> though if you didnt set your device to automatically connect to wifi you will still not get there
Oct 02 06:54:05 <DocScrutinizer05> what's the name of that file?
Oct 02 06:54:15 <KotCzarny> maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe
Oct 02 06:54:21 <KotCzarny> http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/
Oct 02 06:54:39 <Oksana> Yes :-) And nice instructions: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=849980&postcount=20
Oct 02 06:55:16 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks! /home/jr/maemo-mirror/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/files/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.exe
Oct 02 06:55:18 <Oksana> By the way, libusb-win32-bin-1.2.6.0.zip , aka newer than at time of the post
Oct 02 06:55:33 <KotCzarny> also, that fladnag site has maemo sdk virtual image
Oct 02 06:55:41 <KotCzarny> work mirroring somewhere
Oct 02 06:55:54 <KotCzarny> *worth
Oct 02 06:56:07 <KotCzarny> Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z
Oct 02 06:56:10 <KotCzarny> 1457450621 bytes
Oct 02 06:56:20 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: so maybe you are listening what I post here, others don't
Oct 02 06:56:55 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/dirsnapshot.png
Oct 02 06:58:49 <Oksana> Nice... You have MADDE installer? Somebody was looking for MADDE...
Oct 02 07:00:06 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I placed it there
Oct 02 07:01:12 <Oksana> I think that he was directed to http://web.archive.org/web/20110704181414/http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/sdk/host/repos/ubuntu/10.04/i386/ for the madde .deb , it was almost a month ago
Oct 02 07:01:47 <Oksana> At #maemo-ssu
Oct 02 07:01:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I think web.archive.org doesn't backup any .deb and similar files
Oct 02 07:02:08 <DocScrutinizer05> but I know somebody directed him to right location ;-)
Oct 02 07:02:37 <Oksana> Good :-)
Oct 02 07:03:12 <DocScrutinizer05> again, when *anybody* dares to post a full URL to that stuff, it will vanish same minute
Oct 02 07:03:27 * Oksana did not expect Web Archive to be that stubborn. To be fair, the files are too heavy for it
Oct 02 07:04:35 <Oksana> And, web.archive.org does backup .exe ... sometimes ;-) /not posting the full URL /
Oct 02 07:08:38 <DocScrutinizer05> err, I didn't worry about web.archive URLs
Oct 02 07:08:54 <DocScrutinizer05> rather about URLs that are invisible
Oct 02 07:09:28 <DocScrutinizer05> or "forbidden", like http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/
Oct 02 07:09:54 <DocScrutinizer05> rather http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/*
Oct 02 07:11:46 <DocScrutinizer05> if you need any other file from "good old times", just holler. I guess I got everything
Oct 02 07:15:15 <DocScrutinizer05> well, maybe except maemo repos
Oct 02 07:16:08 <DocScrutinizer05> THOSE should get mirrored!
Oct 02 07:16:55 <DocScrutinizer05> actually eventually Nokia encouraged creating mirrors of those repos ;-)
Oct 02 07:17:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess they were not aware of the token "protection" when they did
Oct 02 07:18:24 <DocScrutinizer05> or maybe they were :-D
Oct 02 07:18:50 <DocScrutinizer05> most of Nokia maemo devels were wuite nice guys
Oct 02 07:18:57 <DocScrutinizer05> quite*
Oct 02 07:21:55 * Oksana wrestles with disk space. Or actually, I could just feed flasher-3.5 long path, instead of trying to move the *.img file
Oct 02 07:26:00 <DocScrutinizer05> dammit, already having https://ahrefs.com/ messing with my box
Oct 02 07:29:11 <DocScrutinizer05> sooo... let's see how much that stops
Oct 02 07:29:40 <Oksana> flasher-3.5 says that everything went well with launching RescueOS. Only, even when I 'mse', I do not see a sign of Windows saying "here is something attached to USB"
Oct 02 07:29:48 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for your bookmarks
Oct 02 07:30:17 <Oksana> Relocating?
Oct 02 07:30:23 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Oct 02 07:31:00 <DocScrutinizer05> don't worry, you can figure it out
Oct 02 07:31:40 <DocScrutinizer05> anybody with a brain could, just spiders and similar crap can't
Oct 02 07:32:47 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if REFERER might give away 'secret' URLs to arbitrary websites
Oct 02 07:33:42 <DocScrutinizer05> and prolly there are sites that actually harvest such referers
Oct 02 08:07:10 <antranigv> how to use Vk.com chat on maemo?
Oct 02 08:07:51 <Maxdamantus> Now bq says my Polarcell has 1601 mAh
Oct 02 08:08:03 <KotCzarny> maxd: cool
Oct 02 08:08:11 <KotCzarny> be happy
Oct 02 08:26:17 <buZz> Oksana: archive.org is 45PB
Oct 02 08:26:20 <buZz> and still growing
Oct 02 08:26:26 <buZz> they dont worry a lot about diskspace
Oct 02 08:26:44 <KotCzarny> buzz: nice, do they have a backup?
Oct 02 08:26:46 <KotCzarny> ;)
Oct 02 08:26:49 <buZz> all mirrored on 4 DCs
Oct 02 08:26:55 <KotCzarny> nice2
Oct 02 08:26:56 <buZz> so yeah
Oct 02 08:27:15 * Maxdamantus only has 11 TB of space on his filesystem :(
Oct 02 08:27:35 <buZz> i just have 3TB at home
Oct 02 08:27:41 <buZz> 16TB at hackerspace
Oct 02 08:27:52 <buZz> and so many smaller systems here and there
Oct 02 08:29:13 <KotCzarny> i have 3TB just for steam drive
Oct 02 08:29:23 <KotCzarny> and another 3TB for linux stuffs
Oct 02 08:45:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<buZz> they dont worry a lot about diskspace)) I think they are asking for donations to extend their storage space, so maybe they actually do worry a little bit
Oct 02 09:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmpf. otterbox makes operating of sliding lockswitch pretty hard
Oct 02 09:53:38 <kerio> maybe it's because you have fat fingers
Oct 02 09:54:45 <DocScrutinizer05> hardly, and even long fingernails
Oct 02 09:55:06 <kerio> i stopped using mine because i don't really see the point
Oct 02 09:55:11 <DocScrutinizer05> time to cut them. Maybe because the button is already worn on this device
Oct 02 09:55:36 <kerio> also one of the tabs that hold the screen part in place is brok :(
Oct 02 09:56:05 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:  I nly have this donated one here, just examined it a bit
Oct 02 09:56:31 <Maxdamantus> What's the metal frame for if not absorbing energy into dents?
Oct 02 09:57:38 <KotCzarny> sometimes for looks
Oct 02 09:57:58 <KotCzarny> but in colder climates it not a good idea anyway
Oct 02 11:26:30 <arteta> hi, a friend gives me a n900, where to begin with please? (for example: updating kernel/softwares, check for up-to-date /etc/sources.list, etc)
Oct 02 12:45:32 <KotCzarny> arteta: wiki.maemo.org and talk.maemo.org
Oct 02 12:45:38 <KotCzarny> two main sites
Oct 02 12:45:41 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Oct 02 12:45:41 <infobot> maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Oct 02 12:46:07 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Oct 02 12:46:08 <infobot> methinks maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Oct 02 12:46:38 <KotCzarny> if you have any questions, dont be afraid to ask
Oct 02 12:46:56 <arteta> ok, thx KotCzarny :)
Oct 02 12:47:13 <bencoh> and once it's all fresh and flashed, dont forget CSSU
Oct 02 12:47:22 <KotCzarny> ~cssu
Oct 02 12:47:22 <infobot> [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Oct 02 12:47:22 <bencoh> ~cssu
Oct 02 12:47:27 <KotCzarny> 1st!
Oct 02 12:47:35 <arteta> ty
Oct 02 12:54:00 <buZz> ~list
Oct 02 12:54:01 <infobot> one warez list being sent
Oct 02 12:54:04 <buZz> nono
Oct 02 12:54:10 <KotCzarny> try help
Oct 02 12:54:11 <buZz> gimme list of all factoids :P
Oct 02 12:54:13 <buZz> ~help
Oct 02 12:54:24 <buZz> sweet, ty
Oct 02 12:54:33 <KotCzarny> also, i think it has more than 100k factoids
Oct 02 12:54:35 <KotCzarny> so..
Oct 02 12:55:28 <buZz> yeah
Oct 02 12:55:38 <buZz> needs to get exported ;)
Oct 02 14:51:18 <buZz> ghe
Oct 02 14:51:30 <buZz> gonna see how well kernel 4.2.0 will compile for the n800
Oct 02 14:51:40 <buZz> so i can say i 420'd the n800
Oct 02 16:06:57 <buZz> curious if/when i'll get a desire for serial console ^_^
Oct 02 16:09:31 <KotCzarny> depends what you are doing/going to do
Oct 02 16:10:13 <buZz> trying to run mainline 4.2.0 on it
Oct 02 16:10:22 <buZz> on a n800*
Oct 02 16:10:28 <KotCzarny> remember n8x0 can easily do usb hostmode, so you can just attach usb-serial
Oct 02 16:10:34 <buZz> ah right right
Oct 02 16:11:01 <buZz> mainline kernel, and debian rootfs :P
Oct 02 16:11:59 <KotCzarny> also, you can install boot menu, log to sd card and reboot back to diablo
Oct 02 16:12:19 <KotCzarny> or boot to sd card and leave maemo on nand
Oct 02 16:12:48 <buZz> i think i have boot menu already
Oct 02 16:13:01 <buZz> at least, i have community os2008 on sd card
Oct 02 16:13:25 <buZz> and get to select that during boot :P
Oct 02 16:13:53 <KotCzarny> also, speaking of hostmode, usb-keyboard
Oct 02 16:14:42 <buZz> :) guess i should dig up a usb hub
Oct 02 16:14:58 <KotCzarny> you dont even need a hub if device draws <100mA
Oct 02 16:16:05 <buZz> well, but just a single port ..
Oct 02 16:16:20 <buZz> ah well, compiling kernel on a ancient atom, it'll take 4 weeks
Oct 02 16:16:21 <buZz> np
Oct 02 16:16:22 <buZz> :)
Oct 02 16:17:17 <KotCzarny> grab some cheapo dual core celeron and let it serve as scratchbox machine?
Oct 02 16:24:30 <buZz> ^_^ guess i could
Oct 02 16:24:38 <buZz> i'm trying to avoid using scratchbox
Oct 02 16:24:51 <buZz> and just using common linux crosscompiling
Oct 02 16:24:58 <buZz> as close to 'normal' as possible
Oct 02 16:26:25 <buZz> atom n270 btw :)
Oct 02 16:26:27 <KotCzarny> then you need qemu
Oct 02 16:26:34 <Wizzup> or use an arm machine
Oct 02 16:26:40 <buZz> ;)
Oct 02 16:27:02 <KotCzarny> yes, preferably highclocked multicore arm monster
Oct 02 16:27:05 <buZz> i think debootstrap can get pretty far without native code execution
Oct 02 16:27:13 <Wizzup> if you say so
Oct 02 16:27:19 <buZz> we'll see
Oct 02 16:27:23 <Wizzup> (I don't think so)
Oct 02 16:27:24 <Wizzup> :D
Oct 02 16:27:33 <buZz> worstkaas i have a rpi2 i could use
Oct 02 16:27:42 <KotCzarny> but if you need recompiled gcc, you need some arm system
Oct 02 16:27:48 <KotCzarny> either native or emulated
Oct 02 16:28:05 <KotCzarny> for stage2 and 3
Oct 02 16:32:04 <buZz> nah i just gonna grab debian's prebuilds
Oct 02 16:48:29 <Wizzup> buZz: pir is not armv7
Oct 02 16:48:45 <Wizzup> buZz: you could just untar a gentoo stage
Oct 02 16:48:52 <Wizzup> and then from the gentoo stage, install debian
Oct 02 16:48:55 <buZz> pir?
Oct 02 16:48:59 <Wizzup> pi*
Oct 02 16:49:04 <buZz> oh right
Oct 02 16:49:05 <Wizzup> or is the pi2 arm7?
Oct 02 16:49:06 <buZz> pi2 isnt
Oct 02 16:49:09 <buZz> yeah
Oct 02 16:49:11 <Wizzup> ah
Oct 02 16:49:13 <Wizzup> fun times
Oct 02 16:49:13 <buZz> pi1 is armv6
Oct 02 16:49:21 <Wizzup> dont make a picture with flashtorch of it though
Oct 02 16:49:26 <Wizzup> I heard it is camera-shy
Oct 02 16:49:49 <buZz> :) yeah
Oct 02 17:07:10 <Sicelo> i know this is a tad OT, but myqsl vs. postgresql ... which would you recommend over the other?
Oct 02 17:07:14 <kerio> postgres
Oct 02 17:07:21 <kerio> because it's a relational database
Oct 02 17:07:32 <kerio> as opposed to mysql which is a joke
Oct 02 17:20:12 <Pali> Sicelo: depends on usage
Oct 02 17:37:47 <DocAvalanche> ~botsnack
Oct 02 17:37:47 <infobot> DocAvalanche: aw, gee
Oct 02 17:44:47 <Sicelo> thanks Pali :)
Oct 02 17:45:15 <Sicelo> will research further the relative strengths & weaknesses of either of these
Oct 02 20:18:36 <KotCzarny> sicelo: mysql went commercial
Oct 02 20:18:47 <KotCzarny> free one was forked and renamed mariadb
Oct 02 20:18:53 <KotCzarny> or something
Oct 02 20:52:53 <ds3> really? so no more dual licensed mysql?
Oct 02 20:55:38 <Luke-Jr> ds3: basically mysql renamed and the corporate forked under the old name
Oct 02 20:58:58 <ds3> the nice thing about dual license is it provides a level of assurance of compatibility
Oct 02 21:54:26 <delt> heya
Oct 02 21:55:11 <delt> just ordered this for my n810 http://www.ebay.ca/itm/390941404054 
Oct 02 23:27:57 <buZz> nice delt :)
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