**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 06 02:59:58 2015 Oct 06 05:06:37 hmm, firefox doesnt load tabs automatically after restart (unless one is stupid enough to enable that with habit of having so many tabs) Oct 06 06:11:19 * Maxdamantus wonders if the lack of input while the display is off is a hardware limitation or another stupid software one. Oct 06 06:11:54 (from twl4030_keypad) Oct 06 06:15:26 Looks like a software one. Oct 06 06:15:45 isnt it intentional? Oct 06 06:16:00 mce/dsme Oct 06 06:16:05 .suspend = twl4030_kp_suspend, Oct 06 06:16:25 Maxdamantus: that's in mce code? Oct 06 06:16:30 No. Kernel. Oct 06 06:16:45 I guess mce calls it Oct 06 06:16:53 through sysfs Oct 06 06:17:12 it's in some `struct platform_driver` Oct 06 06:17:27 ignore that, check what mce does Oct 06 06:17:38 ~mce Oct 06 06:17:38 MCE = Machine Check Exception. Mode Control Entity Oct 06 06:17:44 hmm Oct 06 06:17:54 It's probably easier to figure out what invokes .suspend on platform_driver first. Oct 06 06:18:48 https://github.com/community-ssu/mce/blob/master/modules/keypad.c Oct 06 06:19:30 hmm, not that one Oct 06 06:20:23 https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/power/devices.txt Oct 06 06:20:40 So I guess it's a general "feature" of it going into a low-power state. Oct 06 06:20:59 Hm, no, that can't be right, since that refers to suspend-to-RAM there. Oct 06 06:21:03 that's not the same as inhibiting input Oct 06 06:21:33 Maxdamantus: start from here https://github.com/community-ssu/mce/blob/master/event-input.h Oct 06 06:22:44 Maxdamantus: BTW, on my device, with kbd opened and screen off, pressing any kbd key wakes the screen Oct 06 06:23:30 so I wonder what "the lack of input" is Oct 06 06:23:57 Hm. It doesn't on mine. Oct 06 06:23:59 keys on the back are different than keyboard Oct 06 06:24:10 connected to gpio Oct 06 06:24:16 "lack of input" as in: od /dev/input/keypad Oct 06 06:25:15 Maxdamantus: open the kbd, wait for screen to go off, press a key - screen goes on Oct 06 06:25:23 ]also, there is an option to set if device should unlock when sliding out Oct 06 06:26:13 hrm Oct 06 06:26:18 cant find it Oct 06 06:26:21 freemangordon: right, in that state touching the screen also turns it back on. Oct 06 06:26:41 I don;t get what your problem is then :) Oct 06 06:26:54 I can't read from /dev/input/keypad Oct 06 06:26:59 afk Oct 06 06:28:46 freemangordon: open the kb, lock the device via double click on power button, /dev/input/keypad goes mute Oct 06 06:29:30 maybe he has autolock on, so when screen blanks it also locks Oct 06 06:29:35 (even with kb open) Oct 06 06:29:36 KotCzarny: so? I'd guess when one says "lock" the device is expected to actually lock Oct 06 06:30:13 yes, so he needs to find out what happens when you lock the device Oct 06 06:30:17 I'm not really concerned about autolock. Oct 06 06:30:52 Maxdamantus: you want the kbd enabled while the other parts of the system are in deep idle? Oct 06 06:31:16 Not necessarily. Oct 06 06:31:45 If it's playing music, it'd be nice to control the volume without having to unlock the screen. Oct 06 06:31:49 well, don't lock the device then, that way you have fully functional kdb and display Oct 06 06:31:53 :) Oct 06 06:32:00 it's obviously not in an idle state then. Oct 06 06:32:20 then == when? Oct 06 06:32:26 when playing music Oct 06 06:32:28 :) Oct 06 06:32:34 ^ Oct 06 06:32:39 afk again Oct 06 06:32:49 hmm, i wonder if i made oscp to react to volume buttons with lock on Oct 06 06:33:29 I use shortcutd, with focus button gpio control made RO Oct 06 06:34:04 that way I can change the songs while device is locked Oct 06 06:34:42 maybe the same can be achieved for the keypad, but I am afraid it will have negative effect on the batery life Oct 06 06:35:00 freemangordon: what is 'focus button gpio control made RO' ? Oct 06 06:35:18 KotCzarny: gpios can be enabled and disabled via sysfs Oct 06 06:35:21 i would be interested to have gpio buttons alive when oscp is running Oct 06 06:35:49 if you make sysfs entry Read-Only, noone can disable that particular gpio :) Oct 06 06:35:55 :) Oct 06 06:35:58 *the sysfs entry Oct 06 06:36:03 horrible hack i must say Oct 06 06:36:17 sure, but it is easy and it works Oct 06 06:36:25 and requires root access Oct 06 06:36:40 I have an entry in /etc/event.d which does it for me on every boot Oct 06 06:37:17 that means another superfluous sudoers entry, still, thx for the tip Oct 06 08:06:04 that horrible hack is what I use too. Oct 06 08:32:04 is this N9 fake or not? http://img09.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/57/05/55/20/5705552020_1 Oct 06 09:53:54 totalizator: i just got my n9, for 75pln Oct 06 09:56:37 looks similarly ugly Oct 06 09:57:31 might also be a fake Oct 06 09:57:32 :) Oct 06 10:01:06 http://cdn2.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/nokia/nokia-n9-all-2.jpg Oct 06 10:01:11 this is how it should look Oct 06 10:02:05 see the headphones at the edge, fake one is more distant Oct 06 10:03:25 clock on the right, battery on the left Oct 06 10:05:10 oh darn Oct 06 10:05:18 i was sure it's not a fake Oct 06 10:05:25 and rly? you got pwned? Oct 06 10:05:30 yup Oct 06 10:05:37 unless harmattan is so ugly Oct 06 10:05:42 ahaha Oct 06 10:06:27 also, icons are similar BUT different Oct 06 10:06:28 ("ahaha" about H not you) Oct 06 10:08:47 i can post the pics of the fake i got if you want to compare Oct 06 10:09:29 if you have them already then i would like to look, thanks Oct 06 10:09:42 in the screenshot from gsmarena you can see nokia.com shortcut Oct 06 10:09:46 its missing on the fake Oct 06 10:14:27 http://imgur.com/a/UW3bR Oct 06 10:16:12 it claims to have 64G of storage, i wonder how true is that Oct 06 10:16:32 (because it still can be worth the price if i got usb pendrive for that price, he he) Oct 06 10:22:18 sorry to disappoint you but no chance IMHO Oct 06 10:22:23 :) Oct 06 10:22:25 hehe Oct 06 10:22:55 anyway, you can spot the differences? Oct 06 10:23:16 like all fake usb drives - they are like 1GB and when full, they start erasing data written on beginning - corrupting data Oct 06 10:23:19 n9 on the fake, headphones port away from the edge, battery display on the right, icons ugly Oct 06 10:23:57 and overally ugliness Oct 06 10:24:21 your fake is different from mine Oct 06 10:24:29 both are fakes anyway Oct 06 10:29:08 well, your fake looks so adorable :3 Oct 06 10:34:16 does it? Oct 06 10:35:13 one more thing to note, because of much lower screen res you can see pixel on the font Oct 06 10:37:24 yup, clearly enough Oct 06 10:38:32 hehe, folder 'games', app 'anti-theft software' Oct 06 10:41:59 is this a typical chinese feature phone then? Oct 06 10:42:02 wow, seller agreed to take it back Oct 06 10:42:12 nice Oct 06 10:42:18 totalizator: what's a feature phone? Oct 06 10:42:33 non-smart phone Oct 06 10:42:38 yeah Oct 06 10:42:52 quite dumb and ugly Oct 06 10:43:07 the old distinction was unable to install apps Oct 06 10:43:22 it also has fake wifi menu, all it does is showing fake wifi signal icon Oct 06 10:43:24 (excluding j2me) Oct 06 10:43:44 are those fakes dualsim also? Oct 06 10:44:04 dont know how to open, but this one seems to be single sim Oct 06 10:44:10 because it fakes single n9 slot Oct 06 10:44:32 the blurry photo has a '2' in the corner Oct 06 10:44:58 auenf: well, not always - I had (I have) a Sony J7 with custom firmware and was possible to install new apps - memory for ringtones was used Oct 06 10:45:15 j2me apps? Oct 06 10:45:22 auenf, where do you see that '2' ? Oct 06 10:45:34 http://img09.allegroimg.pl/photos/oryginal/57/05/55/20/5705552020_1 Oct 06 10:45:35 most unimaginable feature phones era related stuff i can recall Oct 06 10:45:37 top right of that image Oct 06 10:45:41 ahm, that was totalizator's one Oct 06 10:45:51 that one might be dualsim Oct 06 10:46:10 auenf: nah! C/assembly Oct 06 10:46:43 unofficial firmware? Oct 06 10:47:08 check this out: http://nimar.inj.ru/apps.php Oct 06 10:47:44 i assume unofficial firmware? Oct 06 10:48:13 s40 was/is considered feature phones, even tho you can install j2me apps Oct 06 10:48:45 heh, pity, i was hoping to port oscp to n9 Oct 06 10:48:48 that looks like impressive reverse engineering Oct 06 10:48:57 yes it is Oct 06 10:48:57 oscp? Oct 06 10:49:01 ~oscp Oct 06 10:49:06 ~ping Oct 06 10:49:14 ~omgnotagain Oct 06 10:49:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590 Oct 06 10:49:23 :) Oct 06 10:49:30 ~weneedanewbot Oct 06 10:51:12 auenf: more fancy screenshots http://cmdtuning.wz.cz/4_1.php Oct 06 10:51:26 not sure where you'd get a n9 these days Oct 06 10:51:41 auenf: auction/classifieds Oct 06 10:52:03 lol@fenix3d engine Oct 06 10:52:34 auenf: plenty of the tbh, usually in a mediocre condition but still Oct 06 10:52:49 my usb latch has broken off :P Oct 06 10:52:59 usb latch is 6usd from ebay Oct 06 10:53:07 KotCzarny: yup, serious bussiness Oct 06 10:53:07 (free shipping) Oct 06 10:53:13 sure free shipping Oct 06 10:53:24 but what about currency conversion fee :P Oct 06 10:53:27 auenf, yeah, i was checking because this n9 was missing Oct 06 10:53:38 auenf: 6 frigging usd Oct 06 10:53:53 even if they did 20% currency fee Oct 06 10:53:59 i doubt it will be free shipping to me Oct 06 10:54:07 free to most countries Oct 06 10:55:25 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_sacat=0&_sop=15&_nkw=nokia%20800%20usb%20tray&rt=nc&LH_BIN=1&_trksid=p2045573.m1684 Oct 06 10:55:33 rofl, this online store claims to have n9's in stock Oct 06 10:55:35 5 usd Oct 06 10:55:36 'new' Oct 06 10:55:56 they also claim to have N85's in stock too Oct 06 11:00:12 sim tray as well as usb cover :/ Oct 06 11:01:06 auenf, yes, both are usually missing Oct 06 11:01:23 also nokia lumia 800 apparently uses the same Oct 06 11:02:09 heh, $1.42 shipping Oct 06 11:02:22 which would arrive between 16th and 27th :P Oct 06 11:02:33 still cheaper than my local auction site Oct 06 11:02:45 or $64.40 shipping to arrive between 14th and 21st Oct 06 11:02:57 i'll just use my n9 without the usb flap like i have for ages ;) Oct 06 11:04:08 heh, my raspberry completely corrupted its rootfs, fsck is running since like 20 mins now Oct 06 11:28:59 freemangordon: (( so I wonder what "the lack of input" is)) nevermind, this is a massively tweaked system not working the way maemo is designed to work Oct 06 11:31:10 (([2015-10-06 Tue 08:31:45] If it's playing music, it'd be nice to control the volume without having to unlock the screen.)) that's an option in mce.ini to allow vol+/- even when device locked Oct 06 11:35:28 http://cdn2.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/nokia/nokia-n9-all-2.jpg is NO screenshot but a drawing. Thought that would be obvious to everybody. It's clearly not a valid reference "how Harmattan should look" Oct 06 11:38:48 http://imgur.com/a/UW3bR 2nd photo however clearly does not show a N9 device Oct 06 11:39:34 >>headphones port away from the edge<< yes, correct. clear indication for a fake Oct 06 11:54:23 DocScrutinizer05: thanks. Oct 06 12:34:26 You can control the volume with the device locked Oct 06 13:03:04 swb: how so? (assuming you talk about something else than dirty /sys/ hack) Oct 06 14:00:55 It's not locked by default, I use the hack only for cam_focus Oct 06 14:06:53 last time i checked volume buttons are disabled after lock Oct 06 14:15:11 Nope I don't believe so, well definitely not with headset connected. Oct 06 14:15:36 hum, didnt try with headset Oct 06 14:15:46 100% sure they are blocked without Oct 06 14:38:20 well, makes sense Oct 06 15:35:39 *sigh* Oct 06 15:40:28 my N900 definitely changes volume with Vol+/Vol- hw buttons even when tk-lock. And I'm pretty sure I have no 'hacks' installed, iirc I just configured mce.ini correctly Oct 06 15:40:59 (definitely changes volume) no matter if wired or BT headset connected or none at all Oct 06 15:50:37 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8011 Oct 06 15:50:39 04Bug 8011: Changing volume without unlocking the phone no longer works Oct 06 15:56:06 I thought so. Oct 06 16:05:39 even http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=87817 Oct 06 16:07:24 strange enough my mce.ini has http://paste.opensuse.org/94712518 Oct 06 16:08:20 thought it should be set to 2, maybe this is the actual regression in FOSS-MCE that it doesn't obey 1 here to *lock* volume-keys in tk-lock? Oct 06 16:09:08 (not sure if I'm running FOSS-MCE) Oct 06 16:10:08 HMMM rotfl http://paste.opensuse.org/23421364 Oct 06 16:14:53 hmm Oct 06 16:15:46 i think dirty /sys/ hack is the best one here (assuming user only wants volume keys active when media player is running) Oct 06 16:16:04 otherwise it MIGHT have negative impact on battery drain Oct 06 16:24:21 why the heck you think a hack is needed? Oct 06 16:24:34 again, works perfect here Oct 06 16:37:35 ultimate thread on this topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54320 Oct 06 16:48:18 does anyone have an N900 where you can't adjust volume with tklock? :O Oct 06 16:48:40 or FUD? Oct 06 16:49:16 I think it depends on the player here Oct 06 16:49:35 iirc I cant adjust volume when playing with mplayer (for instance) but it works with mediaplayer Oct 06 16:56:36 which makes sense. even on pc mplayer won't adjust volume via keyboard keys for example, by default Oct 06 16:58:18 multimedia volume keys are handled by os usually Oct 06 16:58:22 I believe mafw players will work. Non mafw player you need to press power key first. Oct 06 20:46:18 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if an autoresponder could also execute some cmdline cmds, e.g to boot infobot. she's known to never survive netsplits Oct 06 20:46:25 HAHAHA Oct 06 20:46:33 splitnode Oct 06 20:46:35 [2015-10-06 Tue 22:46:15] * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if an autoresponder could also execute some cmdline cmds, e.g to boot infobot. she's known to never survive netsplits Oct 06 20:46:37 [2015-10-06 Tue 22:46:17] [Notify] infobot is online (chat.freenode.net). Oct 06 20:46:39 [2015-10-06 Tue 22:46:17] [Notify] purl is online (chat.freenode.net). Oct 06 20:46:40 [2015-10-06 Tue 22:46:17] [Notify] apt is online (chat.freenode.net). Oct 06 20:46:56 infobot was in the channel when you said that Oct 06 20:46:57 idk Oct 06 20:47:01 let's see Oct 06 20:47:07 ~butts Oct 06 20:47:16 no infobot in chan Oct 06 20:47:19 ~botsnack Oct 06 20:47:24 i definetely see an infobot in the list Oct 06 20:47:30 you do? Oct 06 20:47:35 ooh Oct 06 20:47:36 - infobot is ibot@69-58-76-73.ut.vivintwireless.net (TimRiker's infobot) Oct 06 20:47:36 - on channels: #maemo Oct 06 20:47:36 - on irc via server leguin.freenode.net (UmeƄ, SE, EU) Oct 06 20:47:44 ~ping Oct 06 20:47:49 appears in whois Oct 06 20:47:54 dead Oct 06 20:47:56 ~butts Oct 06 20:48:00 rip Oct 06 20:48:01 could be that infobot is NOT on #maemo on its server Oct 06 20:48:37 doesnt reply to /ping Oct 06 20:48:42 no, it's dead Oct 06 20:49:03 I'll give it a reboot right away Oct 06 20:51:02 ~+uptime Oct 06 20:51:04 - Uptime for infobot - Oct 06 20:51:04 Now: 1m 37s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Oct 06 20:51:05 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Oct 06 20:51:05 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Oct 06 20:51:06 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Oct 06 20:51:15 ~+chaninfo Oct 06 20:51:16 105/122 channels, 4365 users, 3381 unique: #debian/1701, #kde/438, #gsoc/270, #asterisk/212, #maemo/198, #wowuidev/138, #oe/134, #wowace/94, #neo900/85, #cubieboard/77, #harmattan/66, #openmoko/57, #meego/55, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/51, #maemo-ssu/51, #openmoko-cdevel/50, #arm-netbook/47, #curseforge/40, #elinux/33, #sc2mapster/30, #slug/24, #debianppc/21, #gllug/20, #brlcad/20, #riftuidev/19, ##kierra/18, #n9/17, #esouidev/17, #htc-l Oct 06 20:51:47 ~+chaninfo Oct 06 20:51:47 123/123 channels, 4691 users, 3566 unique: #debian/1699, #kde/437, #gsoc/271, #asterisk/211, #maemo/198, #wowuidev/139, #oe/134, #wowace/94, #neo900/85, #utah/83, #cubieboard/76, #harmattan/65, #wowhead/64, #openmoko/57, #meego/55, #asterisk-dev/53, #bzflag/51, #maemo-ssu/51, #qi-hardware/50, #openmoko-cdevel/50, #arm-netbook/47, #webos-internals/43, #curseforge/40, #elinux/33, #sc2mapster/30, #uphpu/27, #slug/24, #debianppc/21, #riftui Oct 06 20:52:15 ~wb Oct 06 20:52:15 It's great to be back! Oct 06 20:54:22 thanks infobot Oct 06 20:54:22 DocScrutinizer05: my pleasure Oct 06 20:56:09 this channel is #5 of user count rank :-) Oct 06 20:56:38 "maemo is dead!!1!11!" LOL Oct 06 20:57:58 neo900 #9 :-D Oct 06 21:00:33 to be fair, #mer has 151, #nemo 109. But they don't want infobot Oct 06 21:01:24 they prefer their own homegrown bots Oct 06 22:28:38 human bot? Oct 06 22:29:03 veggie bot **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 07 02:59:58 2015