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Oct 21 06:40:25 <Oksana> What's wrong with my repositories? apt-get cannot find vim!
Oct 21 06:42:57 <Oksana> And yes, Internet is here, checking emails and such...
Oct 21 06:44:39 <bencoh> Oksana: apt-cache policy vim?
Oct 21 06:46:04 <Oksana> Okay, just needed to run apt-get update once more. I think it's better now. It probably run an apt-get update once when there was no Internet available
Oct 21 06:47:22 <Vajb> oh no. Are we out of internet?
Oct 21 06:48:02 * Oksana shrugs... Not sure if it's valid assumption to make that WLAN necessarily has Internet just because "it's WiFi!"
Oct 21 06:50:22 * Oksana is poking Internet provider to check if it's their fault or ours that modem does not connect to Internet
Oct 21 06:55:06 * Oksana wonders if it will be useful at all to rewrite libpebble2 from Python to some other language
Oct 21 07:03:04 <Oksana> python-sphinx does not contain sphinx-build, right?..
Oct 21 07:23:29 <zGrr> moin :)
Oct 21 11:38:55 * sixwheeledbeast^ starts looking for his hover board 
Oct 21 11:40:10 <KotCzarny> hover board?
Oct 21 11:40:18 <KotCzarny> marty mcfly etc?
Oct 21 11:40:59 <Maxdamantus> Supposedly today is the time Marty used the hoverboard.
Oct 21 11:41:10 <Maxdamantus> Well, yesterday here.
Oct 21 11:42:05 <bucher> Hello GUYS!!
Oct 21 11:42:35 <bucher> I need the "liblocation", but I don't see this lib in AUR, so I want to build it myself
Oct 21 11:42:42 <bucher> where I can get the sources??
Oct 21 11:43:25 <KotCzarny> um, you got the right channel?
Oct 21 11:43:40 <Maxdamantus> Probably.
Oct 21 11:43:55 <Sicelo009N> is it FOOS?
Oct 21 11:43:59 <Maxdamantus> I think liblocation was one of the closed things.
Oct 21 11:44:00 <Sicelo009N> *FOSS
Oct 21 11:44:05 <KotCzarny> apt-cache search liblocation
Oct 21 11:44:05 <KotCzarny> liblocation-dev - Development files for liblocation
Oct 21 11:44:06 <Sicelo009N> think so too
Oct 21 11:44:17 <bucher> but Arch has pacman instead of apt
Oct 21 11:44:23 <bucher> so, I can't use apt
Oct 21 11:44:30 <KotCzarny> use the pacman search tool?
Oct 21 11:44:42 <bucher> KotCzarny: there's no this package
Oct 21 11:44:51 <KotCzarny> different name maybe?
Oct 21 11:45:00 <Maxdamantus> Why would it be in any arch repositories?
Oct 21 11:45:06 <Maxdamantus> Maemo uses apt.
Oct 21 11:45:08 <Sicelo009N> bucher: then you need to explaib what you're doing & where..
Oct 21 11:45:22 <bucher> i'll explain, give me 1min
Oct 21 11:45:41 <bucher> I'm building marble from source, it asks for "liblocation" as dependency
Oct 21 11:45:51 <bucher> Sicelo009N
Oct 21 11:46:09 <bucher> Marble - one of the kde project
Oct 21 11:46:39 <Sicelo009N> ah. wrong chan :)
Oct 21 11:46:52 <bucher> so, maemo-dev?
Oct 21 11:47:02 <bucher> or it has nothing to do with maemo
Oct 21 11:47:06 <Maxdamantus> is it an N900-specific configuration?
Oct 21 11:48:03 <bucher> Maxdamantus: hm, i'm not sure.
Oct 21 11:48:08 <Maxdamantus> If you're just building it inside a normal Arch environment, I wouldn't expect it to pull in anything N900/maemo-specific like liblocation, unless you tell it to.
Oct 21 11:48:45 <bucher> Maxdamantus: ok, thanks. I'll dig for more info with marble channel
Oct 21 11:53:11 <Maxdamantus> https://marble.kde.org/packaging.php
Oct 21 11:53:22 <Maxdamantus> That mentions liblocation as an optional maemo dependency.
Oct 21 11:54:15 <Maxdamantus> so unless you're copying the proprietary liblocation stuff into your arch environment, you'd probably let it disable itself in the configure process.
Oct 21 11:54:37 <sixwheeledbeast^> :nod: 
Oct 21 11:58:27 <bucher> Maxdamantus: WOW, i didn't  see this page. THank you
Oct 21 12:12:18 <binar> I didn't use my n900 for a while, now I am trying to switch it on. When connected to usb power, the orange LED stays on for about a minute, then the Nokia logo appears for some seconds, the phone vibrates and switches off again. What can I do?
Oct 21 12:12:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 21 12:12:40 <KotCzarny> try leaving it alone for 30-60 minutes
Oct 21 12:12:46 <binar> ok
Oct 21 12:12:47 <KotCzarny> (charging)
Oct 21 12:12:51 <KotCzarny> then try again
Oct 21 12:13:02 <KotCzarny> if it doesnt work, charge battery in other device
Oct 21 12:13:23 <KotCzarny> use the wall charger
Oct 21 12:17:04 <binar> KotCzarny: I've connected it to a generic 2A usb charger, phone regulary tries to boot up.
Oct 21 12:17:47 <bencoh> buZz: are you rebuilding marble for n900?
Oct 21 12:17:55 <bencoh> which version are you trying to build?
Oct 21 12:17:59 <buZz> whats marble?
Oct 21 12:18:05 <bencoh> woops, nevermind
Oct 21 12:18:15 <bencoh> that was for bucher but he's not here anymore
Oct 21 12:18:23 <buZz> you mean that KDE google-earth clone?
Oct 21 12:18:36 <bencoh> yeah
Oct 21 12:18:43 <KotCzarny> ~bootloop
Oct 21 12:18:44 <infobot> bootloop is, like, when your device has broken rootfilesystem, so during reboot it fails on some service startup or kernel module load and thus reboots. This *drains* battery! And you can't reflash to stop bootloop when battery is drained. Recharge your battery by other means before reflashing. E.g. using ~rescueOS. Or external charger or BL-5J compatible other device.
Oct 21 12:18:50 <buZz> very cute
Oct 21 12:18:52 <bencoh> there is a mobile/maemo version
Oct 21 12:18:53 <KotCzarny> hum, not this one
Oct 21 12:19:02 <KotCzarny> ~liskeys battery
Oct 21 12:19:07 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys battery
Oct 21 12:19:08 <infobot> Factoid search of 'battery' by key (14 of 17): battery ;; as battery acid #DEL# ;; batterytest ;; ipaq battery ;; wmbattery ;; zaurus battery ;; heh, no bottom view. can't tell if the battery #DEL# ;; battery damage ;; batteryfaq ;; batterypatch ;; battery pack ;; battery life ;; battery disconnect switch ;; #maemo battery.
Oct 21 12:19:25 <KotCzarny> ~battery
Oct 21 12:19:25 <infobot> from memory, polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement
Oct 21 12:19:31 <KotCzarny> heh.
Oct 21 12:20:02 <KotCzarny> anyway, try disconnecting, taking out battery, inserting, connecting (and just waiting, without powering on)
Oct 21 12:38:39 <binar> KotCzarny: connecting already leads to the device trying to boot. trying to boot rescueos with 0xffff does not work either :-(
Oct 21 12:45:15 <KotCzarny> binar, try to charge it with another device
Oct 21 13:05:33 <binar> KotCzarny: thanks, I'll try
Oct 21 13:22:06 <audiophilo> hi, sorry for the silly question but, where can i find the repositories for my nokia n900?
Oct 21 13:22:25 <KotCzarny> ~maemorepos
Oct 21 13:22:28 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Oct 21 13:22:28 <infobot> maemo-repos is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Oct 21 13:22:54 <audiophilo> thank you very much
Oct 21 13:23:23 <KotCzarny> also, try my oscp player
Oct 21 13:23:44 <audiophilo> KotCzarny, sure as soon as my phone works properly :)
Oct 21 13:24:02 <KotCzarny> kk
Oct 21 13:24:09 <KotCzarny> you need flashing too?
Oct 21 13:24:11 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Oct 21 13:24:12 <infobot> maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Oct 21 13:25:02 <KotCzarny> and backupmenu for future oopsies:
Oct 21 13:25:04 <KotCzarny> ~bm
Oct 21 13:25:04 <infobot> [backupmenu] http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Oct 21 15:13:10 <sixwheeledbeast^> binar: flat battery will do that.
Oct 21 15:13:14 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~flatbatrecover
Oct 21 15:13:15 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered ***NOKIA WALLCHARGER*** to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber shut off -> start over again with ~flatbatrecover while already searching for a new battery. CAVEAT! Only works when ~rootfs OK (no ~bootloop)
Oct 21 15:14:17 <KotCzarny> but he said his device didnt even got to initial boot
Oct 21 15:15:37 <KotCzarny> and i remember having similar problem, but such battery charged happily in other n900
Oct 21 15:16:01 <sixwheeledbeast^> If amber stays solid then shut off normally means expired battery
Oct 21 15:17:04 <sixwheeledbeast^> If it booted last time it was used I doubt it would be borked root
Oct 21 15:17:57 <binar> sixwheeledbeast^: I am unsure what the state was when I last used the phone, perhaps I somehow broke the bootloader/kernel etc.
Oct 21 15:18:31 <binar> sixwheeledbeast^: tomorrow I might have the chance to charge it in a working n900
Oct 21 15:19:38 <sixwheeledbeast^> ok, well either way. if the device is bootlooping it will not charge the battery so you need to try and recharge externally or other device
Oct 21 15:39:33 <binar> sixwheeledbeast^: just found a suitable charger, battery had still 3.0V, so probably not dead yet :-)
Oct 21 15:41:10 <sixwheeledbeast^> Li-ion batteries don't like being overcharged or going flat. It probably will not recover.
Oct 21 15:58:01 <buZz> they also dont like to lay in the sun entire summer >_<
Oct 21 15:58:04 <buZz> meh
Oct 21 15:58:10 <buZz> 22V 5Ah lipo wasted
Oct 21 16:22:29 <binar> sixwheeledbeast^: at least it's booting again :-)
Oct 21 16:22:59 <sixwheeledbeast^> well thats good
Oct 21 16:24:02 <bencoh> binar: booting rescueOS or maemo?
Oct 21 16:24:10 <binar> bencoh: both
Oct 21 16:24:26 <bencoh> but did it boot maemo right away?
Oct 21 16:24:48 <binar> bencoh: yes
Oct 21 16:24:53 <KotCzarny> how did you fix it?
Oct 21 16:24:56 <KotCzarny> by waiting?
Oct 21 16:25:06 <binar> KotCzarny: charging using a external charger
Oct 21 16:25:21 <bencoh> hmm
Oct 21 16:25:39 <bencoh> I dont understand wy it didnt boot properly then
Oct 21 16:25:55 <bencoh> binar: did you try with a wallcharger?
Oct 21 16:26:02 <binar> bencoh: yes, didn't work
Oct 21 16:27:02 <binar> bencoh: not a nokia one, perhaps it only gave 0,5A, which probably is not enought for booting
Oct 21 16:27:10 <KotCzarny> bencoh, if battery is too low, it wont boot even to basic state
Oct 21 16:27:15 <KotCzarny> (ie. fake power-off
Oct 21 16:28:11 <binar> sixwheeledbeast^, KotCzarny: thanks for your help!
Oct 21 16:28:18 <bencoh> yeah but if battery really is too low it shouldnt try to boot (?) ... that's what's puzzling me
Oct 21 16:29:14 <bencoh> but the few rare occasions I exprienced lowbat/steady amber I just let it charge over USB, so ... I dunno
Oct 21 16:29:24 <KotCzarny> bencoh, i think device tries to boot, and during boot it drops low because of load, then poweroffs
Oct 21 16:29:43 <sixwheeledbeast^> It's normal, if the battery is very low the device will not boot to act_dead
Oct 21 16:30:07 <sixwheeledbeast^> charging will only work if in act_dead
Oct 21 16:34:04 <KotCzarny> pity charging circuit cant work on its own (with serial control line or something)
Oct 21 16:36:21 <bencoh> it does, but very slowly (that's the steady amber state), afaiu
Oct 21 16:48:09 <antithesis_> Hello. Is it possible to remove certain autocorrect words from the history? 
Oct 21 16:48:12 <antithesis_> I typed f and it suggested fetlife, so now everyone knows that about me.
Oct 21 16:51:06 <Sicelo> hahaa
Oct 21 16:51:28 <KotCzarny> well, that way you might meet someone interesting, dont you think?
Oct 21 16:53:58 <Sicelo> antithesis_: it is possible to wipe everything .. just forgot the file. i'm looking on my n900
Oct 21 16:59:30 <Sicelo> look in /home/user/.osso/dictionaries/
Oct 21 17:00:58 <Sicelo> use autocomplete on N900 with extreme care ... it also "copies" passwords .. and will suggest them anytime
Oct 21 17:26:45 <audiophilo> Hi, i've googled a lot on this subject but i couldn't find anything useful maybe someone here knows the answer. I'm looking for a way (even a workaround is fine) to sync my google contacts. I'm not interested in syncing the calendar or email i just need my phone contacts (that are saved in gmail). Any hint? Thank you in advance
Oct 21 17:26:46 <audiophilo> i forgot, my phone is nokia n900
Oct 21 17:52:43 <Sicelo> audiophilo: dunno if syncevolution still works
Oct 21 17:54:08 <audiophilo> Sicelo, i was thinking about exporting in vcards and import, it's not syncing but if there no other solution... Anyway i'll give a try to syncevolution
Oct 21 21:25:47 <audiophilo> does anyone use yappari?
Oct 21 21:26:07 <Ashley`> hello
Oct 21 21:46:08 <bencoh> hey
Oct 21 21:46:28 <Sicelo> audiophilo: i do
Oct 21 21:47:04 <Ashley`> what's up? anything happening in the community?
Oct 21 21:49:14 <jonwil> hi
Oct 21 21:49:41 * jonwil is currently fiddling with parts of the connectivity UI with the intent to possibly clone the cellular and/or internet status bar widgets
Oct 21 21:51:45 <Ashley`> i miss my n900
Oct 21 21:51:49 <Ashley`> (usb...)
Oct 21 21:52:12 <Sicelo009N> fixable
Oct 21 21:53:16 <audiophilo> Sicelo009N, something VERY weird happens to me. i can send and receive messages to and from many of my contacts but for some of them i can only send. They can read what i have written but when they answer nothing appears in my chat. Did it ever happen to you?
Oct 21 21:54:32 <Sicelo009N> no. but it appears to be .. whatsapp allows encrypted messages. yappari doesn't support them yet. so that's why you get nothing. look at the yappari thread on tmo
Oct 21 21:54:49 <Sicelo009N> next version promises a workaround for this issue
Oct 21 21:57:08 <audiophilo> Sicelo009N, thank you very much :)
Oct 21 21:58:16 <Sicelo009N> yw
Oct 21 22:01:30 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~usbfix
Oct 21 22:01:30 <infobot> usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
Oct 21 22:04:01 <Ashley`> i dont have the tools 
Oct 21 22:04:11 <Ashley`> and i dont have experience with things like that
Oct 21 22:05:39 <Sicelo009N> get someone else then
Oct 21 22:06:37 <Ashley`> i don't really have any friends that do things like that xD
Oct 21 22:07:05 <Ashley`> my sister asked her friend, but he told he won't be able to do it
Oct 21 22:09:49 <Sicelo009N> shops?
Oct 21 22:12:51 <Ashley`> not in my town
Oct 21 22:13:38 <Ashley`> i'll be moving out in under a year to a bigger city :P
Oct 21 22:13:41 <Ashley`> maybe then~
Oct 21 23:19:40 <Birched> Does anyone have experience with bent frames? The frame on my N900 is bent such that it constantly presses on the screen.
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