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Oct 28 03:33:59 <Vajb> yappari crashes from time to time for me too.
Oct 28 09:15:52 <Sicelo> by the way, regarding battery, what causes it to show "Full" too soon? Say you're charging, and then it goes 91% --> 100%
Oct 28 09:17:04 <KotCzarny> bad capacity data + charging curve?
Oct 28 09:17:38 <KotCzarny> ie. chip thinks it should charge for x, then voltage gets to 4.2 sooner?
Oct 28 09:18:47 <KotCzarny> its just a guess tho
Oct 28 09:19:51 <Sicelo> makes sense. i know my battery is old though
Oct 28 09:20:29 <KotCzarny> ci==0 ?
Oct 28 09:20:48 <Sicelo> yes
Oct 28 09:59:42 <Maxdamantus> Not using multiple batteries?
Oct 28 10:01:28 <Maxdamantus> How do you tell that ci==0 btw?
Oct 28 10:02:16 <Maxdamantus> Presumably if something like dr's i2c script works, you're not using the kernel module that interfaces with that device.
Oct 28 10:02:23 <Sicelo> bq27200 registers :)
Oct 28 10:02:50 <Sicelo> no multiple batteries as well
Oct 28 10:03:47 <Maxdamantus> Are you reading the registers using the `i2c` command?
Oct 28 10:04:22 <Maxdamantus> if so, are you sure the 91% figure is also coming from bq?
Oct 28 10:05:10 <Maxdamantus> when I'm using bme replacement, it's using the kernel module, so the registers can't be read using the userspace i2c interface.
Oct 28 10:05:21 <zGrr> moin :)
Oct 28 10:06:14 <Sicelo>  /sys/class/devices/power_supply/bq27200-0/registers
Oct 28 10:07:46 <Sicelo> the 91% was hypothetical .. the point is that there's a 'jump' ..maybe 87->100 or something like that.
Oct 28 10:08:47 <KotCzarny> similar story when it goes from 30% to 0 etc
Oct 28 10:08:59 <KotCzarny> try invalidating CI and recalibration
Oct 28 10:12:41 <KotCzarny> but its almost sure that your battery is old
Oct 28 10:12:46 <KotCzarny> and thats the main cause
Oct 28 10:13:02 <Sicelo> Maxdamantus: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1478682&postcount=1  <<-- updated "bq27200" script :) it's a little slow, but works
Oct 28 10:13:40 <Maxdamantus> Heh, I made one that was faster.
Oct 28 10:13:52 <Sicelo> share :)
Oct 28 10:13:58 <Maxdamantus> then I rewrote it all in C, so it now returns immediately.
Oct 28 10:14:16 <Sicelo> i simply replaced the i2get with registers
Oct 28 10:14:35 <Sicelo> bnf did "t have enough info for me need
Oct 28 10:15:05 <Maxdamantus> https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/ada1412f3ef6ae1c440e
Oct 28 10:15:34 <Sicelo> cool. will look
Oct 28 10:16:00 <Maxdamantus> Can also show the bash version soon, but it's still a hundred or so times slower than that C program (compiled with gcc or clang)
Oct 28 10:18:56 <Sicelo> you use Doc's calculations or ShadowJK's? there are a few differences between them
Oct 28 10:19:45 <Maxdamantus> Doc's.
Oct 28 10:19:58 <Sicelo> ok.
Oct 28 10:20:14 <Maxdamantus> the computations were mostly converted using a bunch of sed commands.
Oct 28 10:20:27 <Maxdamantus> (from Doc's bash script)
Oct 28 10:21:11 <Maxdamantus> it should also produce pretty much the same output.
Oct 28 10:22:38 <Sicelo> i also like the loopmode in Shadow's script 
Oct 28 10:23:33 <Maxdamantus> is it different to the loop mode in doc's script?
Oct 28 10:23:45 <Sicelo> i never knew that had loopmode :/
Oct 28 10:23:52 <Maxdamantus> Hm, maybe it's not doc's.
Oct 28 10:24:22 <Sicelo> :) yes, means you're using Shadow's 
Oct 28 10:24:33 <Maxdamantus> it's the one called bq27200.sh
Oct 28 10:24:43 <Maxdamantus> Okay, misattributed then.
Oct 28 10:24:57 <Maxdamantus> afk
Oct 28 10:25:05 <Sicelo> btw, i see you're #including <time.h> .. what are you using it for?
Oct 28 10:29:43 <KotCzarny> some function maybe
Oct 28 10:29:47 <KotCzarny> comment out and compile
Oct 28 10:29:48 <KotCzarny> you will see
Oct 28 10:29:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 28 10:30:04 <Sicelo> heh. moving on another hiccup :/
Oct 28 10:30:29 <Sicelo> http://paste.debian.net/318514/ N900 just went unresponsive, and eventually restarted
Oct 28 10:31:36 <KotCzarny> some chip went unresponsive
Oct 28 10:34:54 <Sicelo> freemangordon_: by the way how would i check when last kernel crashed on N900?
Oct 28 10:35:11 <freemangordon_> /dev/mtd2
Oct 28 10:37:31 <Sicelo> thanks
Oct 28 10:40:35 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: i just hope my N900 isn't about to break down with hardware failure. 
Oct 28 10:41:10 <kerio> rip
Oct 28 10:46:05 <Maxdamantus> 23:25:05 < Sicelo> btw, i see you're #including <time.h> .. what are you using it for?
Oct 28 10:46:10 <Maxdamantus> It's used in the loop mode.
Oct 28 10:46:32 <Maxdamantus> 23:46 4011 91   91   -316 1451 1451 1451 65535 275   30   1   0
Oct 28 10:47:38 <Sicelo> i never even realized that time was being shown even in original bq27200 :)
Oct 28 10:51:04 <Maxdamantus> also, the hack to the bash version of bq27200:
Oct 28 10:51:06 <Maxdamantus> eval "$(sed 's/^/registers[$((/; s/=/))]=/' </sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0/registers)"; ./i2cget (){ echo "${registers[$(($4))]}"; }
Oct 28 10:51:32 <Maxdamantus> You just put that somewhere sensible and remove the ./i2c required thing.
Oct 28 10:52:11 <Maxdamantus> It's probably one of the more efficient ways of doing it (in bash) without rewriting everything.
Oct 28 10:57:12 <Maxdamantus> Your one took 0m3.141s for me .. /me likes that time.
Oct 28 10:57:35 <Maxdamantus> but the eval/sed way takes 0m0.569s
Oct 28 10:57:57 <Maxdamantus> and the C/gcc way takes 0m0.121s
Oct 28 11:01:50 <Maxdamantus> (the last one is the only one that's purely system bound)
Oct 28 11:03:36 <Sicelo> cool. wit try sed way. had actually inited ideas/criticism on the post, because my hack was 'quick.' desperately needed to calibrate & couldn't figure out things. :)
Oct 28 11:03:41 <Sicelo> thanks Maxdamantus 
Oct 28 11:04:19 <Maxdamantus> Practically, you should probably just skip that and use the C version.
Oct 28 11:04:35 <Maxdamantus> apt-get install gcc; gcc bq27200.c -o bq27200
Oct 28 11:04:38 <Maxdamantus> ./bq27200
Oct 28 11:05:14 <Sicelo> do i even have that on my N900.. /me checks
Oct 28 11:05:44 <Maxdamantus> I think the only difference is I added VDQ to the loop mode output.
Oct 28 11:06:42 <Maxdamantus> and it doesn't print the dots, because reading is instantaneous anyway.
Oct 28 11:09:25 <Maxdamantus> apparently I also don't have spaces before the percent signs ("91%" instead of "91 %"), and remove a column of spaces in the indented section.
Oct 28 11:09:55 <Sicelo> i'll add "wall charger" as well. 
Oct 28 11:54:39 <KotCzarny> um, you should use %% if your printf %
Oct 28 12:01:19 <Maxdamantus> It does use %% in printf.
Oct 28 12:17:59 <buZz> so eh
Oct 28 12:18:10 <buZz> how unsupported is a N770 for CSSU?
Oct 28 12:18:35 <buZz> someone is sending me a 'virgin' one, as he saw my love for maemo expressed
Oct 28 12:22:05 <Sicelo> if you think of fremantle cssu, of course not :)
Oct 28 12:22:12 <KotCzarny> um
Oct 28 12:22:23 <KotCzarny> buzz, support for new os releases for 770
Oct 28 12:22:27 <KotCzarny> its so.. 2007?
Oct 28 12:22:28 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 28 12:22:35 <KotCzarny> ok, last one was in 2008
Oct 28 12:22:42 <buZz> Sicelo: hehe no
Oct 28 12:22:53 <buZz> ah dno, i'm getting it for free anyway
Oct 28 12:22:57 <buZz> will be enjoyable :)
Oct 28 12:23:10 <KotCzarny> i was looking for 770 to port oscp
Oct 28 12:23:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Oct 28 12:23:19 <buZz> wanna rent it? ;)
Oct 28 12:23:20 <buZz> hehe
Oct 28 12:23:22 <buZz> .1 btc a day!
Oct 28 12:23:24 <buZz> hahahaha
Oct 28 12:23:25 <KotCzarny> pity its more expensive than n900 around here
Oct 28 12:23:32 <buZz> yeah same here
Oct 28 12:23:44 <buZz> n800 and n810 more expensive aswell
Oct 28 12:23:48 <KotCzarny> buzz: if i ever earn anything for oscp, sure
Oct 28 12:23:56 <buZz> ;)
Oct 28 12:24:03 <KotCzarny> for now its not getting any revenue, you know
Oct 28 12:24:05 <KotCzarny> ;)
Oct 28 12:24:37 <KotCzarny> party because its done for free
Oct 28 12:24:39 <KotCzarny> ;)
Oct 28 18:54:07 <tg> hey
Oct 28 18:58:43 <tg> is there any turn-by-turn navigation sw for n900 that actually works?
Oct 28 18:59:17 <tg> there's navit but only see builds for n800 on their site.. and have no idea how stable/usable it is these days
Oct 28 19:28:53 <sixwheeledbeast^> tg: modrana?
Oct 28 19:30:37 <tg> yeah just found that one, looking at it now
Oct 28 19:30:57 <tg> and also mapperro is supposed to have routing
Oct 28 19:31:04 <freemangordon> Sygic MM works as well
Oct 28 19:31:17 <tg> i used to have have that and it worked
Oct 28 19:31:21 <tg> but no longer available..
Oct 28 19:31:26 <freemangordon> sure it is
Oct 28 19:31:31 <tg> do you know of a working mirror?
Oct 28 19:31:35 <freemangordon> there is torrent around the inet
Oct 28 19:31:55 <freemangordon> tg: or I can give you a link to my backup
Oct 28 19:32:09 <freemangordon> actually I bought that SW :)
Oct 28 19:32:41 <freemangordon> but after Sygic stopped support, I have to use pirated copy, because of newer maps
Oct 28 19:33:35 <tg> how does the pirated copy support newer maps?
Oct 28 19:34:30 <freemangordon> there is some config file, which is tweaked to use TA (2011) instead of Navtek(2009 iirc) maps
Oct 28 19:34:58 <freemangordon> at least I am able to use the latest TA card for MM 10 for Android
Oct 28 19:35:03 <freemangordon> s/card/map
Oct 28 19:39:27 <tg> okay, will have a look at that too
Oct 28 19:46:12 <sixwheeledbeast^> I am afraid to reflash my device with SMM10 on, in case I loose something I paid for :(
Oct 28 19:46:43 <bencoh> cant you just backup/dump everything?
Oct 28 19:47:45 <timclassic> I have an N900 with PR1.2, and I'd like to upgrade it to PR1.3 as a step towards CSSU.
Oct 28 19:47:58 <timclassic> Where should I start, now that Nokia's repositories are offline?
Oct 28 19:48:01 <Wizzup> tg: marble
Oct 28 19:52:38 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Oct 28 19:52:39 <infobot> somebody said maemo-repos was http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Oct 28 19:52:40 <KotCzarny> ~flashing
Oct 28 19:52:41 <infobot> maemo-flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Oct 28 19:52:48 <KotCzarny> use that script
Oct 28 19:52:53 <KotCzarny> it downloads firmware too
Oct 28 19:53:21 <timclassic> KotCzarny: Ah, nice, thanks!
Oct 28 19:53:42 <timclassic> KotCzarny: Somewhat-related question--I currently have a set of maps for Ovi Maps that I would like to preserve
Oct 28 19:53:52 <timclassic> Do you happen to know where they are, or where I might find such info?
Oct 28 19:54:07 <timclassic> (It may be that I have not searched enough yet)
Oct 28 19:54:45 <KotCzarny> ~ovimaps
Oct 28 19:54:53 <KotCzarny> just google: n900 ovi maps
Oct 28 19:55:00 <KotCzarny> there should be a script do download them 
Oct 28 19:55:41 <timclassic> I've found the script.  I was simply hoping to also preserve what is already on the device.
Oct 28 19:55:53 <timclassic> I'll find them, I just thought you might know the path off the top of your head ;)
Oct 28 19:57:07 <KotCzarny> nope
Oct 28 19:58:33 <timclassic> Thanks for the links, this really helps.
Oct 28 19:58:34 <bencoh> I think you should be able to update from 1.2 to 1.3 without reflashing
Oct 28 19:58:43 <bencoh> (that's what "SSU" was for after all)
Oct 28 19:58:46 <timclassic> bencoh: I was hoping to do so
Oct 28 20:20:35 <sixwheeledbeast^> backupmenu is a possibly. I would be concerned if I couldn't get it working again
Oct 28 20:20:57 <bencoh> tarball, backupmenu, dd
Oct 28 20:21:06 <bencoh> you should be able to recover :)
Oct 28 20:28:21 <Sicelo> timclassic: maps are in cities directory in your MyDocs
Oct 28 20:32:34 <Sicelo> and, if you don't have much luck with other navigation software, but for some reason like Ovi Maps, there's a tweak to add voice-nav. check TMO, and use the OMVoiceServer method. only two real flaws of Ovi maps are therefore (1) no automatic re-routing if you go off-course. manual re-routing itself isn't too reliable it seems. (2) no offline search, unfortunately, although routing is offline
Oct 28 20:34:11 <bencoh> is there any automatic re-routing solution?
Oct 28 20:34:24 <bencoh> (marble doesn't really support it iirc)
Oct 28 20:34:55 <Sicelo> no idea. for Ovi maps i don't remember seeing such tweak
Oct 28 20:36:24 <KotCzarny> anyone up to create wiki page comparing n900 map options and features?
Oct 28 20:36:34 <KotCzarny> it seems to be recurring question
Oct 28 20:36:47 <Sicelo> i think there already is
Oct 28 20:36:52 <KotCzarny> up to date?
Oct 28 20:37:06 <bencoh> oh ... https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1240539&postcount=1089
Oct 28 20:37:42 <Sicelo> https://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools
Oct 28 20:38:00 <KotCzarny> thx
Oct 28 20:38:13 <KotCzarny> how current/correct information on this page is?
Oct 28 20:38:23 <KotCzarny> infobot: #maemo maps is https://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools
Oct 28 20:38:24 <infobot> okay, KotCzarny
Oct 28 20:38:26 <KotCzarny> ~maps
Oct 28 20:38:27 <infobot> well, maps is https://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools
Oct 28 20:40:49 <Sicelo> likely old. then again most applications haven't changed, except modrana of course :)
Oct 28 20:41:46 <KotCzarny> can you update most glaring oldnesseses?
Oct 28 20:42:13 <timclassic> Sicelo: Thanks!
Oct 28 20:42:23 <Sicelo> no. i couldn't use any of the 'updated' applications :) stuck with nokia maps eventually.
Oct 28 20:42:30 <timclassic> I'm not committed to Ovi Maps, but I at least wanted to preserve the map data.
Oct 28 20:42:36 <Sicelo> so can't update wiki, sorry
Oct 28 20:43:02 <Sicelo> timclassic: np :)
Oct 28 20:45:07 <KotCzarny> would be nice to have summary table at the top
Oct 28 20:45:28 <Sicelo> actually that's what i thought to. this prose sucks
Oct 28 20:45:32 <KotCzarny> with fields like maps date etc
Oct 28 20:46:03 <KotCzarny> ive never used maps on n900 tho
Oct 28 20:48:01 <Sicelo> haha, ok
Oct 28 20:53:08 <bencoh> hmm yeah a summary table would be nice
Oct 28 20:53:35 <bencoh> but we'd to make sure the info is up to date first :)
Oct 28 20:55:23 <KotCzarny> bencoh, we could start with data based on that article
Oct 28 20:55:29 <KotCzarny> then fix one by one
Oct 28 20:58:24 <bencoh> I'd rather do it the other way around, but ...
Oct 28 21:03:36 <Sicelo> but i'm guessing at this time modrana is simply the 'best' .. is it not?
Oct 28 21:15:28 <bencoh> Sicelo: I still prefere marble
Oct 28 21:16:11 <bencoh> partly because of python/qml vs pure c++/qt (no qml)
Oct 28 21:16:45 <Sicelo> :)
Oct 28 22:20:08 <Oksana> How do I force tracker to actually index files which it currently refuses to index? I open an audio file, media player plays it, and it still refuses to show up in the list of indexed music!
Oct 28 22:25:51 <KotCzarny> does tracker have a log?
Oct 28 22:26:04 <KotCzarny> or can be ran from terminal?
Oct 29 00:35:20 <Oksana> tracker-status -fd it kind-of-log. Says when it's indexing, optimising, or idle
Oct 29 00:36:06 <Oksana> 'tracker-status -fd' is* kind-of-log
Oct 29 00:37:10 <Oksana> To be fair, it indexed all the images nicely, afaik, and there are much more of them. And videos are alright, too. So it's struggling with audio, only.
Oct 29 00:37:53 * Oksana blames Mussorgsky's clumsy attempts at modifying album art
Oct 29 02:00:03 <klopsi>  morning
Oct 29 02:28:04 <Oksana> Moin. Anybody know how to fix a mess with mediaartlocal which stops tracker from indexing audio files (images and videos are not affected) ?
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