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Nov 07 06:52:44 <jonwil> hi
Nov 07 07:01:00 <Vajb> hey. Is it possible to charge battery straight via battery terminal? Requires smartcharger for sure, but otherwise? Is n900 smart enough to cope raised voltage on battery terminal?
Nov 07 07:02:00 <Vajb> just thinking of ways to charge phone while it lays in my pocket. Fragile usb port is rather risky option in pocket.
Nov 07 07:08:53 <KotCzarny> vajb: indictive charging
Nov 07 07:10:11 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93412
Nov 07 07:10:17 <KotCzarny> also has some hints for you
Nov 07 07:10:35 <KotCzarny> dont know how safe it is tho
Nov 07 07:24:12 <Vajb> yes i've read that post of inductive chargin. Dunno if there is carry on inductive chargers on the market tho.
Nov 07 07:32:13 <KotCzarny> combining qi charger with solar panel would be awesome
Nov 07 07:32:14 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 07 07:32:54 <Vajb> :P
Nov 07 07:33:31 <KotCzarny> there was also charger using body heat as source
Nov 07 07:35:27 <Vajb> oh wow. Would work for me 'cause i always keep it in my pocket.
Nov 07 07:40:03 <KotCzarny> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2848868/Mobile-phones-charge-batteries-pocket-using-body-heat.html
Nov 07 07:40:38 <kerio> >daily mail
Nov 07 07:40:51 <KotCzarny> still, info comes from MIT
Nov 07 07:41:10 <KotCzarny> so there is a chance it will be a consumer product in future
Nov 07 07:47:08 <Vajb> i think there was also some special fabric which produced electricity and it could be stored or used. It was some article of "smart clothing".
Nov 07 07:57:23 <Sicelo> i would think charging straight from battery would fry a chip or two
Nov 07 07:57:54 <Vajb> is it just me or is it weird that ham only allows installing one program at a time?
Nov 07 07:58:23 <Sicelo> most package managers on mobiles do the same. play store too iirc
Nov 07 07:59:06 <Vajb> i guess it is matter of "saving" energy
Nov 07 07:59:23 <Sicelo> :)
Nov 07 07:59:33 <Vajb> but in the other hand it stretches it over longer period...
Nov 07 07:59:50 <Sicelo> or they were worried about possible 'hanging' of the system (from user perspective)
Nov 07 08:00:05 <KotCzarny> windows installer also only allows 1 task at time
Nov 07 08:00:09 <Sicelo> or, if it really hangs, then even worse .. a reboot
Nov 07 08:00:34 <Vajb> it's like arquing over wether is it more economical to reach proper speed slowly or as fast as possible :)
Nov 07 08:01:07 <Sicelo> isn't that solvable?
Nov 07 08:01:34 <Vajb> play store allows at least upgrading all programs at once. (even tho it installs them one by one)
Nov 07 08:01:48 <KotCzarny> droid apps are just self containet jars
Nov 07 08:01:57 <KotCzarny> they dont have to watch for deps
Nov 07 08:02:02 <KotCzarny> or other packages files
Nov 07 08:02:31 <Vajb> ok
Nov 07 08:03:01 <Sicelo> ham can upgrade all
Nov 07 08:03:39 <KotCzarny> sure, but 1 at a time (internally)
Nov 07 08:03:42 <Vajb> droid fonts was the package to install to see android smileys. Right?
Nov 07 08:03:50 <Sicelo> yes, of course :)
Nov 07 08:03:58 <Vajb> Sicelo: actually u r right. So i had no point at all, :/
Nov 07 08:04:04 <KotCzarny> or just general utf complete ttf
Nov 07 08:04:45 <Vajb> kernel module utf8?
Nov 07 08:05:02 <Vajb> kernel module nls utf8*
Nov 07 08:05:07 <KotCzarny> no
Nov 07 08:05:20 <KotCzarny> just ttf file with characters defined
Nov 07 08:05:29 <Vajb> ttf nokia?
Nov 07 08:05:30 <KotCzarny> you can find 26M arialutf somewhere.ttf
Nov 07 08:05:34 <KotCzarny> and others
Nov 07 08:05:39 <Vajb> ttf nokiapure
Nov 07 08:06:00 <Vajb> i think i go by 2.6mb droid fonts rather
Nov 07 08:09:17 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 07 08:32:56 <Vajb> what is new with yappari .22?
Nov 07 08:33:43 <Vajb> .21 has been working great so i think if it is worth upgradig.
Nov 07 08:38:17 <Vajb> nvm got what i needed. Seems that problem is with qml-browser and not my connection being slow.
Nov 07 08:39:11 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 07 08:40:06 <Vajb> i made search in qml-browser and clicked to open link and it loaded and loaded. Then while qml browser was running i openec microb and got info and qml-browser was still loading something.
Nov 07 08:42:56 <kerio> does yappari still get you banned from whatsapp?
Nov 07 08:43:15 <Vajb> never happened to me
Nov 07 08:43:33 <Vajb> i just got frequent crashes of yappari
Nov 07 09:31:55 <Vajb> just saw nokia e7 for sale, but by quick googling it doesn't appear too interesting.
Nov 07 10:35:09 <erlehmann> it seems maemo.muarf.org does not work right. is there another mirror?
Nov 07 10:45:44 <erlehmann> ah
Nov 07 10:59:39 <jonwil> ah what?
Nov 07 11:21:09 <Sailor10461> Hello
Nov 07 11:24:59 <Sicelo> hi Sailor10461 
Nov 07 11:25:19 <Sicelo> yes, you can get banned with Yappari, especially when you try create new group
Nov 07 11:25:27 <Sailor10461> I have a problem
Nov 07 11:25:41 <Sicelo> Vajb: .22 tries to solve the problem with encrypted messages
Nov 07 11:25:56 <Sicelo> ~ask
Nov 07 11:25:58 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Nov 07 11:26:01 <Sailor10461> Talk.Maemo.org ban my ip
Nov 07 11:26:27 <Sicelo> ah .. i think you contact tech staff for that. and not use tor if that's what you were using
Nov 07 11:26:28 <Sailor10461> i'm not spammer
Nov 07 11:27:10 <Sailor10461> I'm use Russian's Beeline
Nov 07 11:27:23 <Sailor10461> Vimpelcom at Wikipedia
Nov 07 11:31:47 <Sailor10461> Sicelo: What should I do?
Nov 07 11:37:04 <Sicelo> you email techstaff
Nov 07 11:37:13 <Sicelo> ~unban
Nov 07 11:37:20 <Sicelo> there should be a factoid for this
Nov 07 11:37:40 <Sicelo> anyway, i think the email is techstaff <at> maemo.org
Nov 07 11:48:02 <Sailor10461> Thank you!
Nov 07 18:11:42 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~#maemo unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request
Nov 07 18:11:46 <infobot> okay, sixwheeledbeast^
Nov 07 18:11:54 <sixwheeledbeast^> ~unbanip
Nov 07 18:11:54 <infobot> hmm... unbanip is please contact techstaff <at> maemo <dot> org with your request
Nov 07 18:12:08 <sixwheeledbeast^> Sicelo: done
Nov 07 20:18:02 <KotCzarny> lu_zero: ping
Nov 07 20:19:50 <KotCzarny> um, wrong chan
Nov 07 20:34:54 <Oksanaa> Getting omweather's GPS-location functionality to work feels like impossible
Nov 07 20:36:18 <Oksanaa> And, GUI does not exactly blend in with other apps on Fremantle. For example, fullscreen button could be made similar to MicroB, and close-button is not that necessary
Nov 07 20:36:34 <Luke-Jr> well, N900 GPS basically doesn't work. :/
Nov 07 20:36:47 <Luke-Jr> unless you're really patient and/or leave it on 24/7
Nov 07 20:37:12 <Oksanaa> Well, with OSM2Go it works. With omweather it does not even seem to try
Nov 07 20:37:43 <Oksanaa> I would be willing to leave it on 24/7, but my phone eats battery very quickly
Nov 07 20:37:56 * Maxdamantus has only got it to work once, by having it start tracking at the top of a hill.
Nov 07 20:38:28 <Oksanaa> And one of my DT-33 chargers no longer works (signs of overheated PCB)
Nov 07 20:39:02 <Oksanaa> And now Nokia 5230 ( which I used to charge batteries ) no longer seems to charge
Nov 07 20:39:54 <Oksanaa> And I cannot just microUSB-charge, not until I solder a new microUSB port to Nokia N900
Nov 07 20:40:09 <Sicelo> use Location Test GUI just before launching maps. also, use A-GPS. locks fast for me all the time
Nov 07 20:41:00 <sixwheeledbeast^> i don't see an issue with omweathers gui
Nov 07 20:41:01 * Maxdamantus wonders how particular programs can cause it to lock quicker.
Nov 07 20:41:04 <Oksanaa> Yes, when I have Internet, finding location is no problem
Nov 07 20:42:01 <Oksanaa> Even if 'coarse accuracy' probably means that it found location from IP, or something, rather than satellites?
Nov 07 20:42:46 <sixwheeledbeast^> althought I rarely open the application, use the widget only
Nov 07 20:43:30 <sixwheeledbeast^> I suppose it one of them apps that is Maemo and MeeGo compatible.
Nov 07 20:43:46 <Oksanaa> GUI works, it just doesn't blend in with other apps. It does not rely on system-wide theme for fonts, colors, or images
Nov 07 20:43:47 <Sicelo> Maxdamantus: Ovi Maps stops the GPS when the application is not in focus. Location Test GUI keeps it running
Nov 07 20:44:24 <Maxdamantus> So how does A-GPS help if it's already running?
Nov 07 20:44:34 <Sicelo> :/
Nov 07 20:44:51 * Sicelo is lost now
Nov 07 20:45:09 <Maxdamantus> it will usually "lock" when it starts running, afaik
Nov 07 20:45:16 * Oksanaa hasn't used Ovi Maps for a long time. And, it would be neat if OSM2Go was capable of displaying Bing raster satellite tiles below OSM vector data
Nov 07 20:45:40 <Maxdamantus> if it's already locked and you leave it running, you don't need to wait for it to lock again
Nov 07 20:46:52 <Oksanaa> And, there is a tiny issue of mc and angrybirds not doing 'apt-get purge' correctly (rmdir does not work when directory is not empty)
Nov 07 20:49:27 <Sicelo> Maxdamantus: Ovi Maps stops GPS when it's in the background. when you bring it back to foreground it has to search again. of course lock doesn't take so long because you're generally not too far from last known almanac position. you can test this
Nov 07 20:57:24 <Maxdamantus> Oh, A-GPS is assisted GPS, not some additional program.
Nov 07 21:09:07 <Oksanaa> Ovi Maps does even make sense... As long as you don't need to re-download almanac-or-something
Nov 07 21:16:05 <Luke-Jr> did anyone ever RE A-GPS?
Nov 07 21:52:28 <hawaii> For what purpose?
Nov 07 22:12:56 <jonwil> hi
Nov 07 23:12:55 <Luke-Jr> hawaii: a free OS that has GPS capabilities?
Nov 07 23:56:35 <Oksanaa> The most curious part, for me, is adding into location-searcher capability to use cellular towers' signals + database of cellular towers' locations to give coarse location
Nov 07 23:56:59 <Oksanaa> Without connecting to Internet or downloading almanac from satellites
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