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Nov 19 05:15:23 <jonwil> hi
Nov 19 05:15:48 <jonwil> freemangordon: ping
Nov 19 06:38:05 <jonwil> ~seen freemangordon
Nov 19 06:38:06 <infobot> freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 6d 12h 59m 3s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'.
Nov 19 06:38:22 <jonwil> ~seen merlin1991
Nov 19 06:38:23 <infobot> merlin1991 is currently on #maemo #harmattan #neo900 #maemo-ssu, last said: 'speex will be done tomorrow ;)'.
Nov 19 07:12:19 <zGrr> moin :)
Nov 19 08:42:35 <bencoh> jonwil: what's the current codelockui status?
Nov 19 08:43:44 <jonwil> Waiting for freemangordon (or some other reverse engineering guy) to figure out the parts I cant clone myself
Nov 19 08:45:29 <jonwil> I did however just fix an issue with connui-home-cellular that showed up as a result of my ISP switching from one mobile network to a different mobile network (and sending me a new SIM and porting my number and stuff)
Nov 19 08:45:55 <jonwil> When I joined the new network I found the network name output of the connui-home-cellular clone was different to stock
Nov 19 08:46:06 <jonwil> A big of debugging and I found the problem and fixed it and now get the right output :)
Nov 19 08:46:13 <jonwil> now to figure out how to set the correct IAP stuff
Nov 19 08:48:35 <jonwil> ok, I have a cellular data connection now :)
Nov 19 08:48:37 <jonwil> its all good :)
Nov 19 09:22:36 <Sicelo> so my n900 is unresponsive, although working just fine. the screen is dimmed (same as when a confirmation dialog is displayed). can't interact with it except via power button. i can therefore end tasks, or start the phone. however desktop remains dim so that's not much help. pity i disabled autoconnect to wifi .. i could ssh to it and restart h-d
Nov 19 09:23:00 <bencoh> usbnet?
Nov 19 09:27:14 <Sicelo> not at my place right now :(
Nov 19 09:27:37 <Sicelo> here i'm on work computer, basic user permissions.
Nov 19 09:27:41 <bencoh> ah .... shutdown/reboot
Nov 19 09:28:21 <Sicelo> wonder if usbnet would work actually, haha .. becuase the dialog migh not appear. let me check
Nov 19 09:28:38 <Defiant> Sicelo: attack ths virus scanner, that is supposed to be the most vulnerable part of your PC
Nov 19 09:29:04 <Sicelo> at least the usb dialog does appear and is clickable
Nov 19 09:29:16 <KotCzarny> n900 screen is transflective
Nov 19 09:29:20 <Sicelo> bencoh: i don't want reboot :p
Nov 19 09:29:27 <Defiant> or use virtual box portable with a linux
Nov 19 09:29:29 <Sicelo> happy about my 7 days uptime
Nov 19 09:29:32 <KotCzarny> so get a good light and you will see the contents
Nov 19 09:29:42 <Sicelo> Defiant: ??
Nov 19 09:30:04 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: dimmed .. not about seeing .. but interacting. i can't interact with it
Nov 19 09:30:47 <KotCzarny> can you start any app somehow?
Nov 19 09:31:01 <Sicelo> usually flicking the screen lock key should 'fix' dimmed problems. but not this time
Nov 19 09:31:35 <Sicelo> i can start Phone, contacts & Xterminal. no interaction though
Nov 19 09:31:53 <Sicelo> basically the ones that have keyboard shortcuts
Nov 19 09:32:13 <KotCzarny> add to your todo to add xterm shortcut
Nov 19 09:32:15 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 19 09:32:21 <Sicelo> ?
Nov 19 09:32:32 <Sicelo> you don't get it :)
Nov 19 09:32:35 <Sicelo> at all
Nov 19 09:32:53 <KotCzarny> well, if you had xterm runnable via keyboard shortcut, you can type things there
Nov 19 09:33:00 <Sicelo> NO
Nov 19 09:33:04 <KotCzarny> no?
Nov 19 09:33:14 <Sicelo> the is no interaction with anything
Nov 19 09:33:29 <Sicelo> only bencoh understands what i'm saying :)
Nov 19 09:33:45 <KotCzarny> but you've said you can run apps via kb
Nov 19 09:33:48 <KotCzarny> so kb works
Nov 19 09:34:19 <Sicelo> 11:31 < Sicelo> i can start Phone, contacts & Xterminal. no interaction though
Nov 19 09:34:32 <KotCzarny> ahm, didnt see xterminal
Nov 19 09:34:57 <Sicelo> xterminal is a stock shortcut (shift+ctrl+x)
Nov 19 09:35:28 <KotCzarny> hmm
Nov 19 09:35:31 <KotCzarny> bt/usb kb?
Nov 19 09:35:50 <Sicelo> my bluetooth is off :p
Nov 19 09:36:28 <Sicelo> only way is to somehow login to the bugger via ssh
Nov 19 09:36:37 <KotCzarny> but you dont have network
Nov 19 09:38:16 <Sicelo> will see .. maybe i'll quickly pss by my place next 30 minutes. hope usbnet will work. haven't used it in ages. hope i didn't mess something up with that iface
Nov 19 09:39:45 <bencoh> mine doesnt start on boot
Nov 19 09:39:47 <bencoh> I dunno why
Nov 19 09:40:02 <bencoh> so I need to plug it in and ifup
Nov 19 09:40:09 <Sicelo> doam. you need to ifup :(
Nov 19 09:40:34 <Sicelo> which i won't be able to do. nice. reboot incomingp i guess
Nov 19 09:41:00 <KotCzarny> lock/unlock few times?
Nov 19 09:43:09 <Sicelo> it has not helped unfortunately
Nov 19 09:43:35 <jonwil> does rebooting not fix the problem?
Nov 19 09:43:47 <KotCzarny> he wants to try anything before reboot
Nov 19 09:44:17 <jonwil> why not reboot, its not exactly hard to reboot a N900 :)
Nov 19 09:44:46 <Sicelo> just for fun
Nov 19 09:45:06 <KotCzarny> funnily how you can start xterminal via kb, it shows, and it doesnt allow you to type anything in it
Nov 19 09:45:26 <KotCzarny> start it then task switch maybe?
Nov 19 09:45:26 <jonwil> I wouldn't call it "fun" to fiddle with all sorts of crap that isn't helping when a reboot should fix it
Nov 19 09:45:46 <KotCzarny> jonwil, that's called debugging
Nov 19 09:49:07 <bencoh> looks a focus issue
Nov 19 09:49:15 <bencoh> like*
Nov 19 09:49:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ts working?
Nov 19 09:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> does "kill current task" show up in power menu?
Nov 19 09:50:23 <Sicelo> yes it works
Nov 19 09:50:38 <DocScrutinizer05> tried kb shortcut to cycle between tasks?
Nov 19 09:50:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ctrl-.backspace
Nov 19 09:51:09 <Sicelo> yeah. no dice. i'm going to have to rebbot, clearly.
Nov 19 09:51:16 <DocScrutinizer05> weird
Nov 19 09:51:38 <DocScrutinizer05> tried <enter>?
Nov 19 09:52:22 <jonwil> Now that I am on a new network, I need to go and see if all the places where my phone wouldn't get signal on the old network do or don't get it on the new network :)
Nov 19 09:52:46 <DocScrutinizer05> to me it spounds like a notifier/requester that failed to display any conetnt
Nov 19 09:53:01 <KotCzarny> kill'em all
Nov 19 09:53:13 <jonwil> looks like I might take a train trip tomorrow :P (riding on the train is one of the ways to be guaranteed to loose signal on the old network :)
Nov 19 09:53:39 <jonwil> I do so love the N900 though, its works great on Vodafone just as good as it did on Optus :)
Nov 19 09:58:44 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: do you have a custom lockscreen?
Nov 19 09:59:49 <DocScrutinizer05> you could try to unlock the lockscreen even when it's not visible, by sliding over the touchscreen 
Nov 19 10:00:33 <Sicelo> no. stock
Nov 19 10:01:03 <DocScrutinizer05> the idea that lockscreen is active but not visible (maybe hidden or minimized or behind the desktop layer) sounds even more plausible than a normal requester or notifier causing this
Nov 19 10:01:11 <Sicelo> i have smscon, but looks like i never set the sms commands properly. don't seem to be working
Nov 19 10:01:31 <Sicelo> smscon itself works just fine for no sim or sim change
Nov 19 10:01:39 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Nov 19 10:01:58 <DocScrutinizer05> try sliding to unlock
Nov 19 10:02:55 <Sicelo> same. slide works. but no interaction in desktop
Nov 19 10:03:30 <KotCzarny> remember to add shortcut to enable wifi autoconnect and/or usbnet
Nov 19 10:08:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I meant sliding on touchscreen like you would to unlock the lockscreen by moving the ball from lft to right
Nov 19 10:11:07 <Sicelo> yes DocScrutinizer05. i can lock it just fine, and unlock with slider
Nov 19 10:11:42 <Sicelo> thanks for suggestions everyone. gotta just reboot. we tried.
Nov 19 10:16:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, so the lockscreen works and you can unlock it. So I guess it's not an invisible lockscreen then that's your problem
Nov 19 10:17:07 <Sicelo> where is the FBI with their backdoors when we need them? :p
Nov 19 10:17:15 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Nov 19 10:17:36 <KotCzarny> you should've gotten android for that
Nov 19 10:17:38 <DocScrutinizer05> NSA?
Nov 19 10:18:19 <DocScrutinizer05> the FBI looks like a boy scout club compared to NSA
Nov 19 10:18:26 <Sicelo> btw, i still suspect one of hildon-desktop, *-home to have some bug. 
Nov 19 10:18:34 <Sicelo> NSA maybe :)
Nov 19 10:18:35 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm yes
Nov 19 10:18:43 <KotCzarny> sicelo, but why is it happening to you?
Nov 19 10:18:48 <KotCzarny> maybe you have hw sync enabled?
Nov 19 10:19:09 <DocScrutinizer05> check your desktop widgets or whatever the name
Nov 19 10:19:22 <Sicelo> removed them all some weeks ago
Nov 19 10:19:29 <DocScrutinizer05> wow
Nov 19 10:19:32 <Sicelo> no widgets at all anymore
Nov 19 10:20:40 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc then
Nov 19 10:21:08 <DocScrutinizer05> check smscon, maybe it has some hiccup
Nov 19 10:21:22 <KotCzarny> i wonder why talk.maemo.org gets first place in google, but no sign of wiki.maemo.org
Nov 19 10:22:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and make damn sure you got WLAN and/or USB network *and* sshd enabled, for the next time ;-)
Nov 19 10:22:36 <Sicelo> they generally are, lol
Nov 19 10:22:49 <DocScrutinizer05> one more thing you could try: open and close camera door
Nov 19 10:23:06 <Sicelo> Murphy's law at work here
Nov 19 10:23:11 <KotCzarny> unrelated but nice: https://wiki.maemo.org/N900_shortcuts_and_gestures
Nov 19 10:26:05 <Sicelo> fun times. DocScrutinizer05, camera door causes complete blackness. but i can take a pic, and can hear the application close afterwards when i close the shutter
Nov 19 10:26:31 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Nov 19 10:27:13 <DocScrutinizer05> this gives some hint towards considering whether maybe the graphics libs are borked
Nov 19 10:27:39 <DocScrutinizer05> there are several daemons for fb and camera and dunno what
Nov 19 10:28:18 <Sicelo> i don't think so tbh. if i had been able to ssh to it, i'd have tried to restart h-d, and (of course my 2 cents) i think it would come back to normal life
Nov 19 10:28:18 <DocScrutinizer05> might be compositor that doesn't work according to parameters
Nov 19 10:28:45 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, a pity we can't test
Nov 19 10:29:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I gather "end current task" in power menu only shows when a real app is running and focused, not when hd is active
Nov 19 10:29:35 <Sicelo> yes.
Nov 19 10:29:58 <Sicelo> if i launch phone, then end current task is useable
Nov 19 10:29:58 <KotCzarny> sicelo: when you eventually get it to working state, check /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini to see if you have hw sync or not
Nov 19 10:30:30 <Sicelo> ok. will do
Nov 19 10:30:34 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, what happens when you press ctrl-backspace with phone opened
Nov 19 10:30:51 <Sicelo> nothing that i can see
Nov 19 10:30:58 <Sicelo> ah .. wait
Nov 19 10:30:58 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Nov 19 10:30:59 <Vajb> i recall having this issue once
Nov 19 10:31:17 <Sicelo> yes, nothing.
Nov 19 10:31:24 <Vajb> it had some program popping up menu, but that menu never appeared
Nov 19 10:31:36 <KotCzarny> kill'em all!
Nov 19 10:31:43 <DocScrutinizer05> aah well, you don't have the "alt-tab" function in hd enabled, right?
Nov 19 10:31:53 <Vajb> but i can't recall name of that program even if my life depended on it
Nov 19 10:32:12 <Sicelo> you mean rotate tasks through ctrl+bksp? i have that enabled
Nov 19 10:32:32 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, I've seen that too, and switching tasks via ctrl-bs allowed me to fix it
Nov 19 10:32:32 <KotCzarny> but yeah, all the behaviors suggest invisible popup menu
Nov 19 10:32:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: aah hmm
Nov 19 10:33:08 <Vajb> i think i sshd to device and killed stuck program
Nov 19 10:33:09 <KotCzarny> because usb popup was clickable
Nov 19 10:34:06 * Vajb thinks we miss "show desktop" button from power menu
Nov 19 10:34:23 <KotCzarny> or 'restartd h-d' button :P
Nov 19 10:34:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: one thing you could test: give N900 a inbound call you don't answer, so the "missed call" things kick in
Nov 19 10:35:24 <Vajb> hmm start phone utility and try ctrl-backspace then
Nov 19 10:36:02 <Sicelo> i have missed call (btw, i can still answer calls very nicely) :D
Nov 19 10:36:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: yes, exactly
Nov 19 10:36:29 <Sicelo> doesn't help in this particular case that ctrl+bksp
Nov 19 10:37:00 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: when phone gui is active, ctrl-bs should show one window shrinked to tumbnail 
Nov 19 10:37:54 <Vajb> im curious how u got in to that state?
Nov 19 10:38:25 <Vajb> maybe ur device is swapping like madman and is unresponsive cos of workload
Nov 19 10:38:43 <Vajb> ur using gazillion percent of cpu power
Nov 19 10:38:50 <Vajb> or*
Nov 19 10:38:55 <Sicelo> not at all :)
Nov 19 10:39:08 <Sicelo> it's very much alive, and at rest. 
Nov 19 10:39:22 <Vajb> ah then
Nov 19 10:39:32 <Vajb> don't bother him. Is a sleep
Nov 19 10:39:36 <Sicelo> it's been like this for 2 hours now, and no warm battery, etc.
Nov 19 10:39:37 <Vajb> :)
Nov 19 10:40:09 <Sicelo> i can even see the usage bars on status menu. cpu side on grey
Nov 19 10:40:32 <DocScrutinizer05> weird stuff
Nov 19 10:40:39 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe just reboot
Nov 19 10:40:41 <Vajb> definitely some menu
Nov 19 10:41:06 <Sicelo> as for how i got to this .. i don't remember. i was just using it normally
Nov 19 10:42:13 <Vajb> hah classic case of "it was like that when i got here"
Nov 19 10:42:28 <KotCzarny> add a shortcut in powermenu to kill h-d
Nov 19 10:42:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 19 10:42:51 <Vajb> does xterm show up?
Nov 19 10:43:01 <KotCzarny> yes, but he cant type in it
Nov 19 10:43:08 <KotCzarny> as in 'focus stolen'
Nov 19 10:43:18 <Vajb> err it does, but i meant to type for example top and hit enter
Nov 19 10:43:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: did you extensive looking around and maybe even cat * in /sys and/or /proc ?
Nov 19 10:43:46 <Sicelo> can't do that :)
Nov 19 10:43:55 <DocScrutinizer05> before!
Nov 19 10:44:00 <Sicelo> nop
Nov 19 10:44:23 <DocScrutinizer05> ""Sicelo	are any DSP/PowerVR stats availalbe in /sys maybe or some other location?""
Nov 19 10:45:14 <Sicelo> that was over 12 hours ago, and i didn't even do anything. i slept, hence the complete silence after saying i'll study zzztop script
Nov 19 10:47:20 <Sicelo> ok. enough with this. usbnet didn't come up. rebooting.
Nov 19 10:47:43 <Sicelo> i'll fix up smscon so that it can be a viable backdoor in future
Nov 19 10:47:50 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 19 10:48:31 <KotCzarny> tty via sms?
Nov 19 10:48:35 <KotCzarny> expensive ;)
Nov 19 10:48:53 <KotCzarny> unless one has free sms plan
Nov 19 10:49:29 <Sicelo> no. you send just one predetermined command, and the N900 will run it. or you could even cause it to setup reverse ssh connection
Nov 19 10:49:49 <KotCzarny> i know, just kidding about possible use sms as a tty terminal
Nov 19 10:50:28 <Sicelo> with `ls` .. how do i order files by date again?
Nov 19 10:50:33 <Maxdamantus> -t
Nov 19 10:50:41 <Sicelo> thanks
Nov 19 10:56:16 <jonwil> Bah, no sign of either of the people I need to talk to :(
Nov 19 13:41:23 <Sicelo> btw, one of the reasons i disabled automatic wlan is because at work, we have WPA-Enterprise, which N900 doesn't connect to automatically. maybe jonwil's work could help in that regard?
Nov 19 13:41:37 <Sicelo> my home wifi is also wpa-enterprise
Nov 19 14:24:01 <drathir> si not used that one before, but maybe share which kind of error show?
Nov 19 14:30:46 <Sicelo> whawho?
Nov 19 17:04:21 <sixwheeledbeast> Why would WPA Enterprise not connect automatically on N900? Is there no way to save the RADIUS info? 
Nov 19 17:11:28 <ecc3g> nice... disabling autoswitch to wifi and stay on 3G only saves quite a bit of power.  I guess I'm forced to take advantage of unlimited data on t-mobile...
Nov 19 17:11:55 <Wizzup> interesting that 3g costs less power for you than wifi
Nov 19 17:12:21 <ecc3g> well having both on at the same time eats power
Nov 19 17:12:28 <KotCzarny> more wakeup triggers?
Nov 19 17:12:47 <KotCzarny> 10 beacons/s usually
Nov 19 17:12:49 <ecc3g> then again I'd thought it should use one or the other... and not keep both on at the same time
Nov 19 17:12:59 <KotCzarny> and that only assuming nothing else on the channel
Nov 19 17:13:22 <KotCzarny> transmitting via cell modem might be more costly tho
Nov 19 17:13:40 <ecc3g> that might be why... though I thought I changed my beacons on my wifi to 1/sec or 2/sec...
Nov 19 17:13:56 <Wizzup> oh yeah, I always have wifi autoconnect off
Nov 19 17:13:58 <Wizzup> mostly due to privacy issues
Nov 19 17:14:20 <ecc3g> ah.
Nov 19 17:14:32 <ecc3g> I autoconnect to my home wifi before, for privacy issues :D
Nov 19 17:16:23 <ecc3g> having it auto switchover to wifi and 3g on all the time = I get at most 2 days idle
Nov 19 17:17:43 <ecc3g> it's about flat at the 2 day mark.
Nov 19 17:17:46 <ecc3g> telling it not to use wifi if available... i think it will hit 3 days, maybe more...at least the battery meter says there's still quite a bit of charge left nearing the 2 day mark...
Nov 19 17:18:24 <KotCzarny> ecc3g: install battery-eye, its not eating battery like multiple others and has nice graphs/stats
Nov 19 17:18:38 <ecc3g> yeah that's what i'm using
Nov 19 17:18:56 <KotCzarny> also, you can even guess if battery drain is on, just by looking at the slope 
Nov 19 17:19:09 <ecc3g> exactly...
Nov 19 17:21:19 <ecc3g> i guess it will now have to go through t-mobile to check mail on my home server... long way home.
Nov 19 17:25:43 <Sicelo> sixwheeledbeast: because Nokia felt that it is not good idea. their pov was that 'some' enterprise networks may need extra input before granting access. of course a moot point, but that's how it is. a bug was opened against this behavior, and nokia replied with a fat WONTFIX :)
Nov 19 17:25:58 <Sicelo> the radius info is saved just fine
Nov 19 17:26:40 <ecc3g> I'm kind of glad it doesn't automatically connect to enterprise wpa2... it'd eat more power :D
Nov 19 17:27:22 <Sicelo> and why would that be?
Nov 19 17:27:30 <ecc3g> ^^^
Nov 19 17:27:59 <Sicelo> ?
Nov 19 17:28:12 <ecc3g> scroll up, same issue as my home wifi :p
Nov 19 17:28:31 <Sicelo> you could disable it if *you* don't need it. not fsck up device for everyone. 
Nov 19 17:29:16 <Sicelo> i fail to see how your issue above relates to wpa-enterpise
Nov 19 17:29:18 <ecc3g> it was meant as a joke if you didn't get it...
Nov 19 17:29:32 <Sicelo> well i wasn't joking.
Nov 19 17:29:46 <ecc3g> it really doesn't matter if it's wpa or wpa-enterprise, it still switched.
Nov 19 17:56:26 <sixwheeledbeast> Sicelo: I have never connected to Enterprise with N900. So do you get a prompt to connect or do you have to open change connection menu?
Nov 19 18:07:57 <Sicelo009N> n900 simply doesn't attempt to connect automatically. you have to make the connection yourself
Nov 19 19:22:03 <sixwheeledbeast> that is odd behaviour
Nov 19 19:33:54 <Sicelo> sixwheeledbeast: bug 3399
Nov 19 19:33:55 <povbot> 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/3399 Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise
Nov 19 19:37:13 <Sicelo> comment 4 particularly funny :D
Nov 19 19:42:29 <Sicelo> anyway, poor guy was just a messenger
Nov 19 19:44:16 * Sicelo loving the quips
Nov 19 19:44:23 <Sicelo> https://bugs.maemo.org/quips.cgi?action=show
Nov 19 19:44:29 <sixwheeledbeast> wow, pre-Fremantle bug 
Nov 19 19:44:45 <sixwheeledbeast> with 60 votes and was a WONTFIX
Nov 19 19:46:16 <Sicelo> the logic of the decision was completely flawed
Nov 19 19:56:18 <KotCzarny> sicelo, have you tried hack from comment 29?
Nov 19 19:58:22 <Sicelo> no. he said it's ugly himself :D
Nov 19 19:58:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 19 19:58:50 <KotCzarny> there is a script on that page too (in the comments)
Nov 19 19:59:06 <KotCzarny> so at least you can try making one yourself
Nov 19 20:01:10 <KotCzarny> and someone wrote qt alternative in comment 49
Nov 19 20:15:42 <kerio> Pali: did you read http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd ?
Nov 19 20:33:54 <merlin1991> jonwil: pong
Nov 19 20:34:08 <jonwil> Would it be possible to get access to push things to cssu-devel?
Nov 19 20:34:19 <jonwil> I believe you mentioned something about it before
Nov 19 20:34:25 <merlin1991> sure, hit me up with an ssh pub key
Nov 19 20:39:21 <KotCzarny> kerio: that page is beautiful
Nov 19 20:39:41 <KotCzarny> i wonder if debian/fedora devs got paid/moled ?
Nov 19 20:39:56 <jonwil> ~seen freemangordon
Nov 19 20:40:01 <infobot> freemangordon <~ivo@46.249.74.23> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 7d 3h 58s ago, saying: 'I mailed him'.
Nov 20 00:41:27 <jonwil> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1488653#post1488653
Nov 20 00:41:48 <jonwil> Ok, thats all the fiddling with cssu-devel I plan to do at this point
Nov 20 02:44:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I honestly doubt that WLAN per se would increase power consumption. WLAN is pretty humbe with PSM=max and associated to a decent AP. What eats much power is frequent scans when WLAN is not associated. And a cellular data connection shouldn't add significantly to power consmption when it's not being used. This is given when your route is to WLAN(0) and not GPRS aka phonet0, unless you got a stupid provider that sends inbound rubbish to 
Nov 20 02:44:06 <DocScrutinizer05> your cellular data link
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