**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 27 03:00:53 2015 Nov 27 06:49:46 Luke-Jr: lucky :) Nov 27 07:44:49 Sicelo: well, I did pre-solder it down, so it may be more "good job" than luck XD Nov 27 08:02:28 Luke-Jr: lucky :) Nov 27 08:02:28 haha, sorry .. backsrolled Nov 27 08:16:11 so trouble in Jolla-land it seems :/ Nov 27 08:17:06 <--ordered a tablet :( Nov 27 08:20:47 i have never really followed Jolla news (because i knew i didn't afford it). why did stskeeps leave? Nov 27 08:20:48 * jonwil wonders if there is anyone left in this community that understands the mysteries of the battery and charger logic in the N900 Nov 27 08:20:49 jonwil, isnt bme replacement already written? Nov 27 08:20:51 bme replacement needs new kernel and I dont want to run new kernel if there is a solution to my battery wierdness that doesn't require doing so Nov 27 08:21:17 jonwil, what new kernel? Nov 27 08:21:18 its still 2.6.28 afair Nov 27 08:21:50 jonwil: pali? Nov 27 08:21:51 and DocScrutinizer05 Nov 27 08:21:51 what battery weirdness by the way? Nov 27 08:22:16 new in the sense that AFAIK its been modified from the stock N900 kernel Nov 27 08:22:17 and what is exactly problem with that? Nov 27 08:23:31 for some reason whatever BME does to say "hey, the charger isn't plugged in any more, switch indications from "charging" to "discharging" isn't being sent Nov 27 08:23:32 you mean stuck orange? Nov 27 08:24:01 stuck orange flashing Nov 27 08:24:02 yeah, happens sometimes Nov 27 08:24:02 I have my N900 sitting on my desk in front of me with nothing at all plugged into the USB port and the LED is flashing orange Nov 27 08:24:03 and the battery status bar widget is stuck in animating mode Nov 27 08:24:39 i usually just reboot Nov 27 08:24:39 It happened earlier today too in that it stayed stuck green Nov 27 08:25:20 but i dont know if cssu fixed it (my main n900 is still with the stock fremantle) Nov 27 08:25:38 ok, now this is VERY wierd Nov 27 08:25:54 I just powered it off and its powered down Nov 27 08:26:24 still charging? ;) Nov 27 08:27:43 now when I hold the power button to power it up, the screen displays the nokia logo in that "very dim" state it displays in nolo-emergency-charge mode and then a second or so later the status LED goes bright yellow then fades out Nov 27 08:30:27 I just cant get my phone to boot at all with no charger plugged in Nov 27 08:30:33 remove battery, wait 10s, reboot? Nov 27 08:31:38 nope, no go, same thing Nov 27 08:32:27 treat as flatbat? Nov 27 08:32:27 ~flatbat Nov 27 08:32:28 ~ping Nov 27 08:33:23 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss Nov 27 08:33:48 If I have the charger plugged in and I put in the battery, it powers up in actdead mode Nov 27 08:33:49 then boots to normal mode if I press power Nov 27 08:33:50 It seems like something is causing the phone to think a charger is plugged in when its not Nov 27 08:36:59 time for a post on tmo, maybe someone will know whats going on Nov 27 08:38:49 check syslog too, and hoping you don't have hw defect Nov 27 08:41:10 I dont have syslog installed Nov 27 08:42:47 nothing battery related in dmesg Nov 27 08:42:48 aha, lets see what happens if pull out my usb cable and plug my N900 into my PC Nov 27 08:43:23 ok, that gives me the usual choices of mass storage and PC suite Nov 27 08:43:35 so its picking up that the cable was plugged in Nov 27 08:43:58 hildon-status-bar-usb displays the correct things too Nov 27 08:44:40 ok, it correctly recognized the USB cable was disconnected and that there is no longer a cable plugged in Nov 27 08:45:05 and its not displaying the "charging" indicator it was when the USB cable was connected to my PC Nov 27 08:45:06 now lets see what happens if I try a restart Nov 27 08:46:14 -2 in int is 0xfffffffd ? Nov 27 08:46:39 no, 0xFFFFFFFE is -2 Nov 27 08:46:54 uhum Nov 27 08:47:04 0xFFFFFFFD is -3 Nov 27 08:47:25 KotCzarny: you cannot depend on anything specific there, it's undefined Nov 27 08:47:26 unless you mean specifically on N900, but that's just bad code <.< Nov 27 08:47:35 different question then, if i wanted to clear second bit will this do: val=val&0xfffffffd ? Nov 27 08:47:49 (ints) Nov 27 08:48:13 …no Nov 27 08:48:27 KotCzarny: note that ints do not have a well-defined width Nov 27 08:48:31 are there standard setbit/clearbit/checkbit funcs? Nov 27 08:48:35 they may be 16-bit, 32-bit, 64-bit, or larger Nov 27 08:48:35 You want val=val&~2 Nov 27 08:48:41 that will clear bit 2 Nov 27 08:48:45 jonwil: thanks Nov 27 08:48:53 assuming this is C code Nov 27 08:48:55 or C++ Nov 27 08:49:09 ^ +1 Nov 27 08:49:12 c Nov 27 08:49:45 ok, so something is definatly wrong with this phone, nothing I do gets it to boot up from power off state with no USB cable plugged in Nov 27 08:49:47 btw, using &~2 will clear the bit with value 2, not bit in position 2 Nov 27 08:49:56 hmm Nov 27 08:50:25 if you want the bit in position 2, you need &~(1<<2) or &~(1<<(2-1)) depending on 0-based or 1-based Nov 27 08:50:45 unless you're counting bits from the other side of the number, in which case .. have fun :/ Nov 27 08:50:56 i'll just use ~2 Nov 27 08:51:53 jonwil: 0.o ... it doesn't boot with power button when nothing's connected? Nov 27 09:38:00 posted to tmo about my wierd powerup/charging/etc issues Nov 27 09:38:01 lets hope someone can find an answer beyond "your phone is screwed" Nov 27 10:07:15 huh, n900@500mhz is too slow for earwax Nov 27 10:09:05 which weirdly as it is is just 64 multiplies every sample Nov 27 10:13:42 it really is a pitty Pali seems to have left the community, he was the one who knows about bq27200 charger chip and how all that stuff works Nov 27 10:13:55 pali didnt left the community Nov 27 10:14:16 unless you know something i dont Nov 27 10:15:29 maybe he hasn't left but he hasn't been around in ages Nov 27 10:15:37 ~seen pali Nov 27 10:15:39 pali <~pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #neo900, 23d 10h 43m 5s ago, saying: 'campaign for what?'. Nov 27 10:15:47 see, 23 days since last seen Nov 27 10:15:52 that counts as "AWOL" in my book :P Nov 27 10:15:57 might be work/vacations :P Nov 27 10:16:01 maybe Nov 27 10:16:16 and yeah trying pali-bme-replacement as a possible solution to my issues is out since it does need a new kernel Nov 27 10:16:19 still, he didnt say anything about dropping maemo/n9x Nov 27 10:16:43 and I dont want to run kernel-power or kernel-cssu or kernel-bme or whatever the hell it is these day that you need Nov 27 10:16:44 days Nov 27 10:17:14 jonwil, you should update to cssu anyway Nov 27 10:17:21 most of work is done there Nov 27 10:17:32 yeah I am running most of the cssu work Nov 27 10:17:37 :) Nov 27 10:17:54 not everything (i.e. not kernel) but most of it Nov 27 10:18:14 btw. are you good at optimizing code? maybe mmx/sse/neon wizard? Nov 27 10:18:28 I dont know anything about mme/sse/neon Nov 27 10:18:54 i have small function that i need speeding up for n900 Nov 27 10:48:54 did freenode make some statement regarding these splits? Nov 27 10:49:18 not via notice Nov 27 10:51:00 i didn't think there would be pirate activators for Windows 10, given how it works Nov 27 10:51:13 who would want win10 anyway? Nov 27 10:51:20 it's spyware/adware Nov 27 10:52:14 the people for whom computing == microsoft windows + microsoft office Nov 27 10:52:28 um, xp is enough for that i guess Nov 27 10:53:51 in any case, i'm guess it is more risky using cracked windows 10 given the amount of spy data it keeps sending to M$ Nov 27 10:54:42 MS would be happy for you to pirate win10 Nov 27 10:54:48 they still get data Nov 27 10:54:58 and keep their market share Nov 27 10:55:01 true that Nov 27 10:55:11 userbase ftw Nov 27 10:55:25 they need/want revenue .. they haven't become a charity yet Nov 27 10:55:32 it makes institutions consider it as viable platform Nov 27 10:56:01 you can get a "legit" w10 license tied to your hardware if you activate windows 7 and then upgrade to 10 Nov 27 10:56:11 at that point you can do a clean w10 install and you still keep the license Nov 27 10:56:21 yes Nov 27 10:56:23 it even works if you're moving from a bios to a uefi install Nov 27 10:56:29 ...OR SO I HEARD Nov 27 10:56:36 i'm talking about someone with no license at all Nov 27 10:58:16 i practically use windows for gaming only Nov 27 11:02:39 Sicelo: yes Nov 27 11:02:45 """activate""" windows 7 Nov 27 11:02:49 with loader by daz Nov 27 11:04:15 oh, notice from freenoce Nov 27 11:04:21 ddos on the go Nov 27 11:11:36 \o/ mquin Nov 27 11:11:57 things the world doesn't need: http://www.engadget.com/2015/11/26/scientists-create-gold-nuggets-that-are-98-percent-air Nov 27 11:20:12 DocScrutinizer05: the raspberry pi zero is 5$ Nov 27 11:20:25 why can't the neon board be 5$ :c Nov 27 12:49:07 ~+uptime Nov 27 12:49:07 - Uptime for infobot - Nov 27 12:49:08 Now: 1d 4h 23m running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux Nov 27 12:49:08 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010 Nov 27 12:49:09 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009 Nov 27 12:49:09 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug 4 17:38:59 2009 Nov 27 14:51:27 ~flashing Nov 27 14:51:27 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Nov 27 15:51:52 ive been having problems accessing the repository for the N900, Im wondering if it is posible to add the repository's to the local SD of the tablet making it more easily accessible Nov 27 15:52:03 yes Nov 27 15:52:32 ~apt-mirror Nov 27 15:52:36 ~aptmirror Nov 27 15:52:49 anyway. google for apt-mirror Nov 27 15:52:54 ty Nov 27 17:00:19 wow, usb fm transmitter dongle costs ~30usd, one can have whole n900 for that price Nov 27 17:01:13 mmm, that price is excellent but not here en south america Nov 27 17:01:54 :D Nov 27 17:02:11 well, still, it's amazing comparison Nov 27 17:02:23 i wonder what would be the price to produce n900 today Nov 27 17:02:42 (with similar specs/features) Nov 27 17:02:56 13:02 < kerio> Sicelo: yes Nov 27 17:02:56 13:02 < kerio> """activate""" windows 7 Nov 27 17:02:56 13:02 < kerio> with loader by daz Nov 27 17:03:41 i wonder about this ... obviously M$ should be able to tell if it was a pirate activation or not Nov 27 17:03:59 and yet Nov 27 17:04:20 sicelo, keep in mind when they went too nazi, many corporate vendors had user troubles Nov 27 17:05:25 KotCzarny: right, sw would be an issue, my difficult issue with n900 is the lcd screen, It has been broken 2 times Nov 27 17:05:41 W10 also not allowing people to install pirate games .... sounds very risky to run a pirate activation then. Nov 27 17:06:07 KotCzarny: right now is still broken. I have a permanent bluetooth nap connection enabled on n800, and control it with shortcuts Nov 27 17:06:11 anyway maybe just FUD ... but i won't test this with my IP :) Nov 27 17:06:23 sunshavi: that's nice :) Nov 27 17:06:27 sunshavi: you should be more careful, maybe buy a case? Nov 27 17:06:29 KotCzarny: sorry n900 Nov 27 17:07:21 KotCzarny: not easy to get a case here. It is like tony stark with making his suit on afganistan :p Nov 27 17:07:29 make one? Nov 27 17:09:03 KotCzarny: mmm, I have never thought about it. That would be a great project. On my todo list for n900 is making an audio menu on emacs for making calls, when no computer near me. It happens a lot of times. When travelling to visit my parents Nov 27 17:09:40 KotCzarny: btw, emacs on n900 and tinyCC too Nov 27 17:09:46 if i were to make one i'd make it cp-408 look-alike. love that case, but was never sold SA side :( Nov 27 17:10:18 Sicelo: I have never heard of it, I am going to take notes, thanks Nov 27 17:10:20 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Nov 27 17:10:27 i just put it in the side pocket of my backpack Nov 27 17:10:38 !seen DocScrutinizer05 Nov 27 17:10:49 blueslee: its ~ Nov 27 17:11:04 thanks Nov 27 17:11:32 ~seen DocScrutinizer05 Nov 27 17:11:34 docscrutinizer05 is currently on #n9 (5h 1m 38s) #qi-hardware (5h 1m 38s) #maemo (5h 1m 38s) #harmattan (5h 1m 38s) #openmoko-cdevel (5h 1m 38s) #infobot (5h 1m 38s) #openmoko (5h 1m 38s) #neo900 (5h 1m 38s). Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 4h 22m 26s, last said: '~+uptime'. Nov 27 17:21:43 hi pali, jonwil was missing you greatly Nov 27 17:23:40 KotCzarny: hi Nov 27 21:10:17 jonwil: pali is alive Nov 27 21:11:07 :) Nov 27 21:26:51 Pali: i was looking for you Nov 27 21:27:04 Pali: over a year ago :D Nov 27 21:27:14 I'm here! Nov 27 21:27:17 Pali: https://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/%23maemo-ssu.2014-02-19.log.html#t2014-02-19T23:13:16 Nov 27 21:51:41 hello guys, was trying to download backupmenu from the n900 installer, I don't use SSU and would like to start. The installer can't download it, do you think I should start the endless update process? Nov 27 21:52:57 (just because it is very slow and I don't know what package to download for my system) Nov 27 21:53:40 I started it anyway lol, who knows when I'll use it again Nov 27 21:56:41 it still fails, took less than I thought because repositories didn't work. I'm going to install it via .deb, trying with 1.2.0-2 armel Nov 27 22:08:47 ~bm Nov 27 22:08:47 methinks backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Nov 27 22:26:38 thank you sixwheeledbeast Nov 27 22:26:58 chad: np Nov 27 22:51:09 ok, time to continue with pulseaudio-nokia :P Nov 27 22:52:09 I would say that pulseraudio-nokia is the most complicated piece of software I have ever had a hand in reverse engineering (more complex than any of the games I have worked with) Nov 27 22:54:59 pali: Do you know of a way to get libbmeipc-dev from your bme repo into scratchbox? If not, we need one somehow so that we can use libbmeipc-dev in pulseaudio-nokia Nov 27 22:56:33 jonwil: http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/bme-replacement/pool/free/libb/libbmeipc/libbmeipc-dev_1.0-2_armel.deb Nov 27 22:56:41 wget + fakeroot dpkg -i Nov 27 22:57:56 jonwil: or you can compile it yourself in scratchbox Nov 27 23:02:13 That doesn't work, it complains that I need libbmeipc = 1.0-2 Nov 27 23:02:26 libbmeipc0 that is Nov 27 23:03:18 and libbmeipc0_1.0-2 wont install because it depends on kernel-feature-rx51-battery Nov 27 23:03:31 which of course scratchbox doesn't have Nov 27 23:04:46 Pali: any ideas? Nov 27 23:05:56 also if anyone knows anything I can do on the N900 to help drain the battery faster (I need to drain the battery so it can properly learn its capacity per http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 ) please do say so Nov 27 23:05:57 edit deb package by hand Nov 27 23:06:15 -dev package should work fine with stock libbmeipc0 Nov 27 23:10:36 I think for the benefit of being able to compile this stuff going forward, it would be worthwhile to change the official libbmeipc github repo (and then the bme-replacement repo deb file) to remove the specific =(version) bit Nov 27 23:10:48 That way anyone can just wget the file and dpkg install it without needing to hand edit things Nov 27 23:11:47 Pali: any objections to my suggestion? Nov 27 23:12:35 yes, removing that =version lock is ok Nov 27 23:12:44 ok, do you want to do it or should I edit the repo? Nov 27 23:12:58 github repo that is Nov 27 23:13:37 you can do that Nov 27 23:14:07 great, I may also have access to bme-replacement repo (I know I have access to cssu-devel repo which is on same server) Nov 27 23:17:06 looks like I have access to it Nov 27 23:19:01 I will push the new libbmepic packages to bme-replacement repo now unless you have any objections Nov 27 23:24:37 ok, its in the repo now :) Nov 27 23:26:06 :-) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 28 03:00:45 2015