**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 28 03:00:48 2015
Nov 28 07:40:31 <jonwil> freemangordon: ping
Nov 28 07:46:50 <KotCzarny> jonwil: for battery drain, just run any app that stops screen from blanking and start playing some vid
Nov 28 07:47:13 <KotCzarny> transferring data over wifi/cellular also 'helps'
Nov 28 07:47:30 <KotCzarny> it should be empty in 3-4h
Nov 28 07:47:55 <KotCzarny> or faster if your battery is a bit old
Nov 28 07:50:25 <jonwil> its a new battery and I want to drain the battery so the system can learn its real capacity
Nov 28 07:50:27 <jonwil> :)
Nov 28 07:50:52 <jonwil> sand so I can find out what its actual capacity is (it claims 1300mAh on the label)
Nov 28 07:51:22 <Sicelo> maybe just be patient :) .. it will take a couple of cycles before the true capacity is even reflected, especially if your previous battery had much lower capacity
Nov 28 07:51:41 <Sicelo> bq27200 doesn't allow shift by more than 6% afaik
Nov 28 07:51:52 <jonwil> what is the rated capacity of a stock N900 battery meant to be?
Nov 28 07:52:23 <Sicelo> 1320mAh the early ones. apparently in the region of 1400mAh later revisions
Nov 28 07:53:14 <jonwil> so this 1300mAh (assuming it matches the label) should be fairly close to that
Nov 28 07:53:28 <jonwil> and better than the 800mAh or so that I seemed to be getting out of my old battery
Nov 28 07:55:15 <KotCzarny> sicelo, i think its ~12%
Nov 28 07:55:35 <KotCzarny> and more in the 'more' direction
Nov 28 07:55:54 <KotCzarny> jonwil, what battery brand?
Nov 28 07:56:12 <jonwil> Its sold by Battery World (a big chain here in Australa)
Nov 28 07:56:17 <jonwil> Australia
Nov 28 07:56:26 <KotCzarny> so noname?
Nov 28 07:56:28 <KotCzarny> :>
Nov 28 07:56:31 <jonwil> yeah
Nov 28 07:56:34 <KotCzarny> ugh
Nov 28 07:56:51 <KotCzarny> best wishes
Nov 28 07:56:52 <jonwil> well these guys have a good reputation for the quality of all their phone batteries
Nov 28 07:57:12 <KotCzarny> anyway, original nokia batteries are good
Nov 28 07:57:33 <KotCzarny> and if my original one (already 6 years old and still good) dies im going for polarcell
Nov 28 07:58:32 <jonwil> these guys wouldn't have been in business as long as they have if their batteries (they sell batteries for everything from cars to laptops to phones of every brand) weren't up to snuff
Nov 28 07:59:19 <KotCzarny> still, if your battery testes out good, you might need to post about it (there are tmo threads)
Nov 28 07:59:33 <KotCzarny> but make sure it holds the charge after few months
Nov 28 07:59:50 <KotCzarny> many nonames are good initially but lose capacity fast
Nov 28 08:01:49 <Sicelo> sometimes used original may be better option ... situations vary of course
Nov 28 08:02:00 <jonwil> ok, turns out they aren't a no-name chinese battery but in fact made by these guys http://www.master-instruments.com.au/
Nov 28 08:02:13 <jonwil> who seem to make batteries for everything known to man
Nov 28 08:03:42 <jonwil> so definatly not some unknown chinese factory making knockoff crap
Nov 28 08:03:50 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 28 08:09:34 <jonwil> pulling a full copy of my N900 filesystem over sftp via WiFi (as a backup) should drain some juice from this thing I bet
Nov 28 08:09:42 <KotCzarny> yes
Nov 28 08:09:58 <KotCzarny> but keep screen on too
Nov 28 08:10:23 <jonwil> but yeah the battery only cost me $40 (Australian dollars that is) so its not like I am out massive amounts of money if it turns out to start going south in 6 months
Nov 28 08:10:50 <KotCzarny> well, polarcells are ~10usd
Nov 28 08:11:28 <jonwil> plus shipping I assume
Nov 28 08:11:55 <KotCzarny> ~polarcell
Nov 28 08:11:56 <infobot> i guess polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement
Nov 28 08:12:11 <KotCzarny> woah, they bumped the price
Nov 28 08:12:37 <jonwil> ugh, eBay :P
Nov 28 08:12:53 <Sicelo> bought my used original for USD 2.00 :p .. works like a charm
Nov 28 08:12:55 <KotCzarny> free shipping to australia
Nov 28 08:13:27 <KotCzarny> sicelo: but that's a lottery, you never know what you will get, still, 2usd is cheap
Nov 28 08:13:47 <jonwil> The main thing is that I needed one now and not in whenever the slow boat from Europe or China gets here with the replacement from eBay
Nov 28 08:13:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 28 08:13:55 <jonwil> hence the decision to go out yesterday and buy this one
Nov 28 08:14:04 <Sicelo> yes. it was DocScrutinizer51 advice, which made perfect sense to me
Nov 28 08:14:21 <KotCzarny> well, it says you could get it by dec 3rd
Nov 28 08:14:43 <jonwil> having just spent $40 on this one, why would I want to go and buy a polarcell as well :)
Nov 28 08:15:07 <jonwil> if this one doesn't last, I can invetigate my options :)
Nov 28 08:15:15 <KotCzarny> jonwil, because more n900s?
Nov 28 08:15:16 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 28 08:15:30 <Sicelo> and, unfortunately, not all of us have access to international payment options
Nov 28 08:16:18 <Sicelo> i'd love that polarcell
Nov 28 08:16:28 <jonwil> I own just the one N900 :)
Nov 28 08:16:43 <KotCzarny> jonwil, start looking for another! ;)
Nov 28 08:18:25 <jonwil> I had one battery that was a genuine Nokia that came with the phone then the second battery which looks like this http://static.snipesoft.net.nz/images/full/5/8/58cd2b31-c1d3-9eb3-1f2a-7a3a03262c1d-10948.jpeg then the new one
Nov 28 08:18:59 <KotCzarny> he he, cell made in china
Nov 28 08:19:11 <Sicelo> i like that spin-off .. it states clearly its origin
Nov 28 08:19:13 <Sicelo> :)
Nov 28 08:19:27 <jonwil> I have doubts that the second one (in the picture) actually held 1320mAh even when it was new
Nov 28 08:20:52 <jonwil> It looks just like the Nokia battery but without the Nokia name or the hologram, even the text on the back is identical
Nov 28 08:21:43 <jonwil> suggesting whoever made it wanted people to think it was similar to the Nokia one
Nov 28 08:22:04 <jonwil> whereas my new one is clearly labeled totally differently
Nov 28 08:22:30 <jonwil> which suggests the company that made it is not trying to bs people into thinking its a Nokia
Nov 28 08:23:18 <KotCzarny> hologram isnt necessary
Nov 28 08:28:15 <jonwil> right now I want to figure out why hal-device bme says battery.reporting.current is 629mAh but bq27200.sh shows NAC/CACD/CACT of only 266
Nov 28 08:28:36 <KotCzarny> jonwil: what is value of CI flag?
Nov 28 08:28:58 <jonwil> all flags are zero except VDQ
Nov 28 08:29:12 <jonwil> VDQ being set to 1 being part of the learning process
Nov 28 08:29:24 <jonwil> i.e. a VDQ of 1 being necessary for learning
Nov 28 08:30:49 <jonwil> this is the complete output of hal-device bme and bq27200.sh
Nov 28 08:30:51 <jonwil> http://pastebin.com/299WaBbV
Nov 28 08:32:30 <Sicelo> i personally trust bq27200 better :)
Nov 28 08:32:53 <jonwil> well right now bq27200 probably has no idea of actual settings of the battery, hence the learning
Nov 28 08:34:39 <jonwil> the real test will be if the on-screen battery gauge jumps a few bars down like it has been before with the other battery
Nov 28 08:34:41 <jonwil> going wierd
Nov 28 08:35:13 <KotCzarny> big battery drops means bad battery usually
Nov 28 08:35:32 <KotCzarny> (assuming current doesnt vary)
Nov 28 08:36:30 <jonwil> The weirdest thing is that there were times when it would be flashing red and "low battery" noise but it would then (without ever plugging it into a charger) end up green again
Nov 28 08:37:10 <jonwil> The laws of physics mean its impossible for a battery to spontaniously increase its charge level without being connected to a charger
Nov 28 08:37:12 <KotCzarny> yeah, definitely old battery
Nov 28 08:37:23 <KotCzarny> with big internal resistance
Nov 28 08:38:02 <jonwil> Its getting on 2 years old or so now
Nov 28 08:38:34 <jonwil> the fact that its showing signs of death after just 2 years confirms the "battery was crap from day one" throry
Nov 28 08:38:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 28 08:39:39 <KotCzarny> also, i love how n900 helps discharging battery faster with constant 'low battery' and turning on the screen
Nov 28 08:39:50 <KotCzarny> when blinking red led would be sufficient 
Nov 28 08:41:33 <jonwil> I bet you could modify whatever UI layer component that does the low battery warnings and disable that stuff
Nov 28 08:41:47 <jonwil> BME isn't the one doing the UI stuff
Nov 28 08:42:04 <jonwil> I dont think it does the audio either
Nov 28 08:42:17 <jonwil> the LED comes from MCE (which we have as FOSS)
Nov 28 08:42:29 <jonwil> status-area-applet-battery probably does some of it
Nov 28 08:42:30 <KotCzarny> is it foss in stock too?
Nov 28 08:42:45 <jonwil> MCE is not foss in stock, its been cloned by me at great effort
Nov 28 08:42:55 <jonwil> see https://github.com/community-ssu/mce/ :)
Nov 28 08:43:15 <KotCzarny> nice
Nov 28 08:43:24 <KotCzarny> still, would be nice to pinpoint it
Nov 28 08:43:30 <jonwil> definatly one of the more complex pieces of software I have ever been involved in reverse engineering
Nov 28 08:44:10 <jonwil> although the nokia pulseaudio blobs (which I am working on at the moment) are more complex by a long way :)
Nov 28 08:44:42 <jonwil> status-area-applet-battery has been cloned too https://github.com/community-ssu/status-area-applet-battery
Nov 28 08:45:34 <jonwil> and yep, thats where the audio comes from
Nov 28 08:46:02 <jonwil> plays the "charging started" sound, the "battery low" sound and the "battery dead, recharge it now" sound
Nov 28 08:46:18 <KotCzarny> i have sounds disabled
Nov 28 08:46:32 <KotCzarny> but there wasnt a way to disable the notification
Nov 28 08:46:53 <KotCzarny> would be great to have such functionality (and blinking red led)
Nov 28 08:46:55 <freemangordon> jonwil: hi! bad battery, ain't?
Nov 28 08:47:32 <jonwil> looks like the battery I used to use (the one sitting on my deak next to me) may be bad. The new one I bought yesterday seems to be working well so far
Nov 28 08:47:47 <jonwil> as in, none of the symptoms of the old battery
Nov 28 08:47:58 <jonwil> wild swings in the battery meter bars level
Nov 28 08:48:10 <jonwil> including going back to green from red
Nov 28 08:48:24 <jonwil> none of those have happened wuth the new battery
Nov 28 08:48:25 <jonwil> with
Nov 28 08:48:30 <jonwil> Getting close to finishing thread_func
Nov 28 08:49:47 <freemangordon> great. I hope to find a couple of hours today to RE some more gunctions
Nov 28 08:50:31 <jonwil> that would be good :)
Nov 28 08:53:26 <jonwil> Just need to finish cloning voice_cmt_dl_activate and voice_cmt_ul_activate and thread_func should be done
Nov 28 08:55:27 <jonwil> btw I sorted out all the temperature/bmeipc stuff now
Nov 28 08:56:01 <jonwil> we have way to use libbmeipc-dev in scratchbox now after I fixed it
Nov 28 08:59:30 <jonwil> I also found out that trying to debug pulseaudio with gdb (which I was doing to test certain code paths) is a bad idea
Nov 28 08:59:44 <jonwil> then I found out how to get maemo pulseaudio to give me logs and found the info I needed :)
Nov 28 09:08:44 <jonwil> ok, thread_func should be done now :)
Nov 28 09:09:24 <jonwil> its very nice of Nokia to leave all those handy log functions in there :)
Nov 28 09:21:23 * jonwil cant believe that for the first time ever he actually WANTS his battery to go flat :)
Nov 28 09:21:49 <KotCzarny> just focus on something else
Nov 28 09:21:53 <KotCzarny> it will go empty anyway
Nov 28 09:22:37 <jonwil> I need to keep an eye on it so I can do the right steps and check the right things just as it gets close to empty
Nov 28 09:24:07 <KotCzarny> write a script that will play sound when coming close to empty?
Nov 28 09:24:27 <jonwil> its almost empty
Nov 28 09:24:56 <jonwil> so I can sit here and watch this full file dump keep going and it will go empty any minute now
Nov 28 09:25:28 <KotCzarny> script idea: enable screen, play some vid, transfer data over wifi, then start watching capacity, then when close to empty stop those tasks and inform user
Nov 28 09:25:47 <jonwil> freemangordon: Now that I have finished thread_func and bits, I have done basically everything I can do on -voice for now
Nov 28 09:27:17 <Sicelo> 10:59 < jonwil> then I found out how to get maemo pulseaudio to give me logs and found the info I needed :) <= how is this done?
Nov 28 09:28:02 <jonwil> you edit /etc/event.d/pulseaudio, change the command line parameters (including redirecting output of pulseaudio binary to a file) and do initctl stop pulseaudio initctl start pulseaudio
Nov 28 09:28:15 <jonwil> that's how I logged all the debug logs from pulseaudio
Nov 28 09:28:25 <Sicelo> thanks for sharing :)
Nov 28 09:29:01 <jonwil> do you have a need to look at the pulseaudio output for some reason?
Nov 28 09:29:27 <Sicelo> not currently .. but you never know when a need might arise
Nov 28 09:29:32 <jonwil> :)
Nov 28 09:30:18 <Sicelo> syslog generally contains most of what i need, but in future something different may be needed
Nov 28 09:31:09 <jonwil> the output I got is all from pa_log_xxx statements
Nov 28 09:31:43 <jonwil> there is supposedly some way to send that to syslog but I couldn't make that work hence the "let it display on stdout and redirect to a file" idea
Nov 28 09:31:47 <jonwil> mostly I was using it to verify debug logs comming from thread_func against the matching debug logs comming from voice_mainloop_handler_process_msg
Nov 28 09:32:01 <jonwil> to make sure thread_func was sending the correct messages :)
Nov 28 10:29:43 <freemangordon> jonwil: GREAT JOB!!!
Nov 28 10:29:59 <freemangordon> I am really glad you're back on board :)
Nov 28 10:31:45 <jonwil> I have done as much work on -voice as I can for now
Nov 28 10:32:28 <freemangordon> ok, will take it from here, will pester you if I see something you can do ;)
Nov 28 10:32:34 <freemangordon> Wizzup_: ^^^
Nov 28 10:33:02 <jonwil> I have no idea if all the work I have done is 100% correct 9that comes with testing once we have something testable) but I did the best job I could
Nov 28 10:33:16 <freemangordon> yes, thats normal
Nov 28 10:33:52 <freemangordon> BTW, could you assert(0) in the functions you think are incomplete, if there are such
Nov 28 10:33:59 <freemangordon> just to not forget about those
Nov 28 10:34:15 <jonwil> there are none that are incomplete
Nov 28 10:34:26 <jonwil> wait no
Nov 28 10:34:34 <jonwil> the stuff that still needs cloning is in status.txt
Nov 28 10:34:52 <jonwil> but everything in voice-cmtspeech.c should be done baring bugs
Nov 28 10:35:11 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 28 10:37:12 <Wizzup_> freemangordon, jonwil: Great! I still hope to be able to join in soonish... Terrifing deadline coming tuesday morning, but after that I should have some more peace
Nov 28 10:38:14 <freemangordon> great, another helping hand will greatly speed-up what's left to be done. I think we have something like half of the gode REed
Nov 28 10:38:22 <freemangordon> *code
Nov 28 10:38:33 <freemangordon> jonwil: ^^^ what do you think?
Nov 28 10:45:58 <jonwil> yes the more people we can have the better
Nov 28 10:46:35 <jonwil> The way things are going we may be able to deliver a nice xmas present to the maemo community in the form of a fully-cloned pulseaudio-nokia :)
Nov 28 10:48:14 <jonwil> and my phone just finished discharging and is now charging again
Nov 28 10:48:28 <Vajb> is there a way to make maemo default im client show facebook group convos?
Nov 28 10:48:29 <jonwil> last measured discharge is a very respectable 1446mAh
Nov 28 10:49:02 <jonwil> so that sounds positive for my ability to get a full days use out of my N900 again
Nov 28 10:49:33 <Vajb> last measured discharge 2196mah =)
Nov 28 10:49:51 <jonwil> you got one of those super-high-capacity batteries or something?
Nov 28 10:50:03 <Vajb> lasts about day in my use
Nov 28 10:50:05 <Vajb> i have mugen
Nov 28 10:50:09 <jonwil> ok
Nov 28 10:50:27 <jonwil> you must be using it as a media player or something
Nov 28 10:50:32 <Vajb> made my phone to look more like me :)
Nov 28 10:50:36 <jonwil> something I dont do
Nov 28 10:50:55 <Vajb> yes i listen to music or audiobooks while i work
Nov 28 10:51:07 <Vajb> also have irssi running constantly
Nov 28 10:51:20 <Vajb> and occasionally stream radio
Nov 28 10:51:24 <jonwil> I use it for skype but only when I am at home and can keep it on charger if I want to
Nov 28 10:51:42 <jonwil> when I am out I mostly use it for checking email & various forums and things
Nov 28 10:51:50 <jonwil> and also for e.g. google searches
Nov 28 10:51:53 <jonwil> and of course phone calls
Nov 28 10:52:09 <jonwil> and for games to play when on bus/train
Nov 28 10:52:26 <Vajb> but to be honest i kinda like thicker back side. Makes typing feel more comfortable since i have long fingers
Nov 28 10:52:43 <KotCzarny> i use mine as a phone mainly, and as audio player (with fm transmitter) in the car
Nov 28 10:52:54 <KotCzarny> and sometimes to debug things via ssh
Nov 28 10:52:59 <Vajb> i made e-mail checks happen over night when it's plugged in charger
Nov 28 10:54:21 <jonwil> anyhow, after the work I have done on pulseaudio-nokia, now I have to figure out my next target...
Nov 28 10:54:36 <KotCzarny> dont forget about 80/20
Nov 28 10:55:41 <Wizzup_> Pali: Do you have a patchset on top of a newer kernel? (on github/pali/linux-n900)
Nov 28 10:55:52 <Pali> not yet
Nov 28 10:56:18 <Vajb> jonwil: maybe group message support for default im client ;)
Nov 28 10:57:35 <Wizzup_> Pali: no rush :) 
Nov 28 11:12:13 <Sicelo> Vajb: we're lucky we still have FB chat on N900. "officially" that service was stopped. pidgin can no longer connect (last i tried). not sure how telepathy does it as it still works also on pc
Nov 28 11:25:35 <jonwil> Getting a "last measured discharge" learn value of 1446mAh on a battery that is labeled "1300mAh" is pretty good in my book :)
Nov 28 11:25:46 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 28 11:25:54 <jonwil> The makers of this battery definatly aren't overstating the capacity here :)
Nov 28 11:25:57 <KotCzarny> time will tel
Nov 28 11:25:59 <KotCzarny> l
Nov 28 11:26:01 <jonwil> :)
Nov 28 11:26:18 <KotCzarny> if it stays at this afteer 6 months, then you can add the info to the wiki
Nov 28 11:26:19 <KotCzarny> :)
Nov 28 11:26:34 <jonwil> as for Facebook, I dont use it and dont like it so I have zero interest in any of the Facebook stuff on N900
Nov 28 11:29:25 <freemangordon> Pali: hi!
Nov 28 11:29:31 <Pali> hi!
Nov 28 11:29:38 <Vajb> Sicelo: n900 works in miraculous ways :)
Nov 28 11:30:04 <freemangordon> atags drama on linux-omap, again :D
Nov 28 11:31:37 <parazyd> is there a specific channel for n900 or should i use this one?
Nov 28 11:31:54 <parazyd> hello btw. :)
Nov 28 11:32:03 <KotCzarny> this one
Nov 28 11:32:40 <freemangordon> Pali: what do you think about https://github.com/community-ssu/libbmeipc/commit/02359ac49c964759b98d187b2f7db21a0b6d6eb0 , should we keep it like that, or it should be changed to libbmeipc0 (= ${binary:Version}) | libbmeipc0 (= $FREMANTLE_PR_VERSION)
Nov 28 11:33:50 <jonwil> I was the one who talked to pali about it earlier
Nov 28 11:33:56 <jonwil> and he OK'd the change at that point
Nov 28 11:34:03 <Pali> yep, thats ok
Nov 28 11:34:17 <freemangordon> ah, ok
Nov 28 11:34:31 <freemangordon> I've missed it
Nov 28 11:34:42 <jonwil> back to having nothing to work on :P
Nov 28 11:35:07 <freemangordon> oh, shit, qemu was upgraded, have to reboot for SB to work again :(
Nov 28 11:35:11 <parazyd> so, the gpg keys from the repos i'm using are expired
Nov 28 11:35:17 <parazyd> i can't update anything
Nov 28 11:35:25 <freemangordon> what keys?
Nov 28 11:35:28 <KotCzarny> gpg shouldnt stop you from updating
Nov 28 11:35:34 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Nov 28 11:35:34 <infobot> maemo-repos is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Nov 28 11:35:40 <KotCzarny> missing packages might
Nov 28 11:35:49 <parazyd> maybe
Nov 28 11:38:30 <parazyd> this happens: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=yxKfzvzK
Nov 28 11:38:45 <KotCzarny> harmless
Nov 28 11:38:55 <KotCzarny> W: is just a warning
Nov 28 11:39:11 <KotCzarny> also, you have maemo-repos.com
Nov 28 11:39:22 <KotCzarny> which i dont know about
Nov 28 11:39:30 <KotCzarny> and what software it has
Nov 28 11:58:30 <jonwil> looks like maemo-repos.com is just one of the many mirrors of the now-dead nokia repos
Nov 28 12:02:19 <KotCzarny> no info who owns it tho
Nov 28 12:02:50 <Sicelo> i forgot who .. but that also has harmattan stuff. that's the one i use
Nov 28 12:04:51 <Sicelo> i think also N700-8x0 stuff too, but might be wrong on this
Nov 28 13:45:56 <parazyd> following CSSU-thumb thread - stable Thumb2 on N900, i successfully installed cssu
Nov 28 13:46:08 <parazyd> how do i overclock now?
Nov 28 13:46:14 <KotCzarny> ~overclock
Nov 28 13:46:14 <infobot> I overclock in winter to keep dpkg's toes warm.
Nov 28 13:46:18 <parazyd> kernel-config isn't found
Nov 28 13:46:23 <parazyd> kek
Nov 28 13:46:24 <KotCzarny> ~oc
Nov 28 13:46:24 <infobot> it has been said that oc is an Optical Carrier, An OC1 has 672 channels or 44.736 Mbit/s
Nov 28 13:46:29 <KotCzarny> hrm
Nov 28 13:46:38 <KotCzarny> anyway, oc is discouraged
Nov 28 13:46:46 <KotCzarny> there is a power.ini in /etc tho
Nov 28 13:46:46 <parazyd> i'm cold
Nov 28 13:47:10 <KotCzarny> or was it power.conf
Nov 28 13:47:15 <parazyd> there isn't
Nov 28 13:47:42 <parazyd> there's powervr.ini, but doesn't look like the thing
Nov 28 13:47:48 <KotCzarny> nope
Nov 28 13:48:24 <KotCzarny>  /etc/pmconfig
Nov 28 13:48:26 <KotCzarny> this is the file
Nov 28 13:48:50 <parazyd> oh thanks!
Nov 28 13:49:19 <parazyd> do i need to do anything after editing?
Nov 28 13:49:33 <KotCzarny> dont remember, reboot?
Nov 28 13:49:42 <KotCzarny> i dont know which service reads this file
Nov 28 13:49:50 <KotCzarny> so easiest is to just reboot
Nov 28 13:50:05 <parazyd> a reboot should do i guess... yeah
Nov 28 13:50:25 <KotCzarny> you might also just go into /sys/
Nov 28 13:50:33 <KotCzarny> and change cpufreq directly 
Nov 28 13:50:41 <BluesLee_> ~seen DocScrutinizer05
Nov 28 13:50:42 <infobot> docscrutinizer05 is currently on #n9 (8h 44s) #qi-hardware (8h 44s) #maemo (8h 44s) #harmattan (8h 44s) #openmoko-cdevel (8h 44s) #infobot (8h 44s) #openmoko (8h 44s) #neo900 (8h 44s), last said: '~+uptime'.
Nov 28 13:50:44 <parazyd> nah...
Nov 28 14:16:22 <Sicelo> parazyd: install kernel-config separately .. it is part of kernel-power-settings
Nov 28 14:16:36 <Sicelo> and does not necessarily need thumb :p
Nov 28 14:16:38 <parazyd> Sicelo: but won't it pull a new kernel?
Nov 28 14:16:55 <Sicelo> no. does not pull kernels. so what kernel you're on?
Nov 28 14:16:56 <parazyd> i want the thumb kernel
Nov 28 14:17:09 <parazyd> cssu3 thumb2
Nov 28 14:17:21 <KotCzarny> i think thumb kernel is the same as cssu-testing
Nov 28 14:17:36 <parazyd> Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10-cssu3
Nov 28 14:18:09 <Sicelo> dunno that one :)
Nov 28 14:18:14 <Sicelo> self-compiled?
Nov 28 14:19:09 <parazyd> this one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829
Nov 28 14:19:35 <parazyd> but anyway, looks like it didn't pull a new kernel :)
Nov 28 16:44:03 <Vajb> hmm. My phone just switched off without no reason....
Nov 28 16:44:29 <Vajb> i could have pressed the power button since pockets r quite tight
Nov 28 16:44:39 <Vajb> but im not sure.....
Nov 28 16:44:42 <Vajb> scary
Nov 28 17:09:01 <kerio> Vajb: 2spoopy4me
Nov 28 18:33:21 <Sicelo> there's a post on tmo showing the N900 boot sequence step by step. can't find it through google now. anyone has an idea about the link?
Nov 28 18:47:19 <NIN101> http://213.128.137.28/showthread.php?t=87959 this?
Nov 28 18:52:25 <Sicelo> thanks NIN101. yes, that one :)
Nov 28 20:26:27 <Pali> jonwil: hi
Nov 28 20:26:44 <Pali> jonwil: can you add verbose message to wl1251-cal binary?
Nov 28 20:27:03 <Pali> similar what print original nokia version
Nov 28 20:32:43 <jonwil> I can do that once I fix this very wierd problem with my N900 :)
Nov 28 20:33:21 <jonwil> Somehow something has been triggered such that it thinks there is a USB connected when there is not
Nov 28 20:34:23 <jonwil> More specifically, if I boot the phone with no USB, it displays a very dim Nokia logo for about 5s then the status LED goes full yellow before fading out
Nov 28 20:34:23 <Pali> do you have new version of hildon usb status bar?
Nov 28 20:34:29 <Pali> or bme replacement?
Nov 28 20:35:06 <jonwil> So yeah it looks like when it boots Nolo somehow sees a phantom USB cable that isn't there
Nov 28 20:35:32 <Pali> there is some bug in usb status bar or in hald bme replacement which cause that statusbar sometimes show usb even if is not conncted
Nov 28 20:35:52 <Pali> hm... thats something different
Nov 28 20:36:06 <jonwil> if it wont even boot, it cant be a status bar gadget :)
Nov 28 20:36:07 <Pali> this is userspace HAL or hildon problem
Nov 28 20:36:39 <jonwil> I can get it to boot with cable conneced where it boots into nolo-emergency-charge then act-dead state
Nov 28 20:37:01 <jonwil> and from there into full phone boot if I press power
Nov 28 20:37:11 <jonwil> but with no cable connected, the phone just wont start
Nov 28 20:37:24 <jonwil> no I am not running BME replacement or hildon-status-bar-usb replacement
Nov 28 20:37:30 <jonwil> I am running status-area-applet-battery replacement
Nov 28 20:37:39 <jonwil> but I dont see how that would be at fault...
Nov 28 20:38:27 <jonwil> If there was a way to do it from a Windows 7 x64 machine, I would try a reflash
Nov 28 20:39:40 <jonwil> I am stumped, I need to be able to boot my phone from off state with no charger around
Nov 28 20:39:44 <jonwil> charger/cable
Nov 28 20:39:47 <jonwil> or else I am screwed
Nov 28 20:40:05 <Sicelo> no way to reflash from win7 x64? sounds strange
Nov 28 20:40:45 <kerio> Pali: have you moved to openbsd yet? :3
Nov 28 20:40:45 <Pali> if there is libusb library for win7 x86 you can use my 0xFFFF
Nov 28 20:41:06 <Pali> no openbsd
Nov 28 20:52:16 <jonwil> Do I need to flash emmc or will flashing just fiasco work?
Nov 28 20:52:40 <Pali> flashing emmc is not needed...
Nov 28 20:52:43 <jonwil> ok
Nov 28 20:52:52 <Pali> just only if you break MyDocs
Nov 28 20:53:00 <Pali> and need to wipe and format MyDocs
Nov 28 20:53:27 <kerio> Pali: freebsd? :3
Nov 28 20:53:46 <Pali> nope, did not move
Nov 28 20:54:04 * jonwil is so happy people have mirrored all the important parts of the maemo ecosystem
Nov 28 20:57:27 <jonwil> good thing is that I found instructions to get the official flasher working on Windows 7 x64 with the right libusb version
Nov 28 20:57:49 <jonwil> just need to wait for the firmware to finish downloading :)
Nov 28 20:57:49 <Sicelo009N> is there anything that would stop us moving to gstreamer1.x on N900?
Nov 28 20:58:14 <jonwil> Depends on what closed source software links to gstreamer
Nov 28 20:59:48 <Sicelo009N> ok. trying to learn to use gstreamer and they are on 1.6
Nov 28 21:02:47 <jonwil> ok, flashing N900 now
Nov 28 21:03:01 <jonwil> lets hope this works
Nov 28 21:03:13 <jonwil> its up to "erasing CMT"
Nov 28 21:04:03 <jonwil> ok, it flashed and is rebooting.
Nov 28 21:04:38 <jonwil> lets hope this works then I can start reinstalling things on the phone
Nov 28 21:04:53 <jonwil> works as in solves my "wont boot without cable" problem
Nov 28 21:07:07 <jonwil> crap, that did NOT make it start booting without cable
Nov 28 21:07:23 <jonwil> or flip whatever bit in the hw is making it think there is a cable plugged in when there isn't
Nov 28 21:07:42 <jonwil> this is bad
Nov 28 21:12:42 <jonwil> now to restore my N900 to what it was before :)
Nov 28 21:13:14 <jonwil> well the installed crap and settings anyway even if I can seem to solve this rather critical hardware issue :P
Nov 29 00:06:44 <jonwil> anyone know which part of the system detects connect/disconnect of the USB plug or charger and tells the rest of the system?
Nov 29 00:28:56 <jonwil> ~reois'
Nov 29 00:28:58 <jonwil> ~repos
Nov 29 00:28:58 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Nov 29 02:56:49 <jonwil> damn, where is a kernel guy when ya need em? :P
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