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Dec 02 09:22:17 <zGrr> moin :)
Dec 02 09:23:00 <Vajb> ciao zGrr
Dec 02 09:23:15 <zGrr> ciao a tutti :)
Dec 02 09:23:30 <Vajb> =)
Dec 02 09:28:08 <KotCzarny> tutti frutti
Dec 02 09:29:28 <kerio> wut
Dec 02 09:30:46 * jonwil is still no closer to finding a repair shop that can inveatigate/fix his USB port :(
Dec 02 09:39:32 <ceene> jonwil: where do you live?
Dec 02 09:39:38 <jonwil> Australia
Dec 02 09:39:41 <jonwil> Brisbane
Dec 02 09:39:42 <ceene> oh
Dec 02 09:39:46 <ceene> that's a bit far from here
Dec 02 09:40:11 <jonwil> The repair shops I have seen are the sort that can do screen replacements and things but cant do solder work
Dec 02 09:40:26 <jonwil> Still investigating further though, there has to be SOMEWHERE in Brisbane that can do SMT solder work
Dec 02 09:40:32 <ceene> you'd have to search for a real repairment shop
Dec 02 09:40:35 <ceene> some old fashioned one
Dec 02 09:41:16 <ceene> maybe you can go to a technical school, college or university
Dec 02 09:41:21 <ceene> they may do it for you for free
Dec 02 09:41:34 <ceene> that's what i was gonna offer if you were to be from spain or somewhere
Dec 02 09:42:44 <KotCzarny> right, universities and polytechnics always have electronics department
Dec 02 09:43:10 <ceene> if you know someone studying there they may get to help you
Dec 02 09:43:20 <ceene> we've fixed here several things for friends of mine
Dec 02 09:44:02 <jonwil> Unfortunatly I dont know anyone who works/studies at any of those sort of institutions
Dec 02 09:44:25 <KotCzarny> just going there and asking directly might be enough
Dec 02 09:44:34 <KotCzarny> bring gifts, hehe
Dec 02 09:44:37 <ceene> lol
Dec 02 09:44:59 <jonwil> I have family who used to work for a university but they dont work there anymore and also they worked in a totally different department
Dec 02 09:45:00 <ceene> you can talk to some pretty student, you may end up with a partner for life and a fixed n900
Dec 02 09:45:03 <jonwil> so that doesn't help
Dec 02 09:45:15 <KotCzarny> :>
Dec 02 09:45:39 <ceene> i'd fix it for you here, but i think shipping costs would be worst than buying a new one
Dec 02 09:45:46 <KotCzarny> jonwil, you know, go to uni, ask for electronics/technical department, go there and ask some randoms there directly
Dec 02 09:46:07 <ceene> that may work indeed
Dec 02 09:46:16 <ceene> there's always someone who is eager to fix something
Dec 02 09:46:45 <ceene> being also that the usb fix is pretty quick and easy
Dec 02 09:47:01 <ceene> it's not like you're going to steal 2 hours from anybody
Dec 02 09:48:01 <KotCzarny> also, its all about being convincing
Dec 02 09:48:34 <ceene> and nice and being ready to pay a couple beers
Dec 02 09:49:15 <KotCzarny> yup
Dec 02 09:50:16 <KotCzarny> and another place where you can get info/find someone skilled is electronics shop (but the parts one, not the a-v)
Dec 02 09:50:42 <KotCzarny> the more detailed parts, the better chance there is someone knowledgeable
Dec 02 09:50:53 <KotCzarny> they can even know someone who repairs things
Dec 02 09:52:35 <Vajb> one can never even imagine what six-pack of beer can buy...
Dec 02 09:52:56 <Vajb> especially if speaking about students
Dec 02 10:01:07 <Sicelo> (side note: i wonder how easy/difficult it would be to get a reddit client for N900)
Dec 02 10:01:23 <KotCzarny> sicelo, write one?
Dec 02 10:01:35 <KotCzarny> it should be very easy in pygtk
Dec 02 10:02:14 <KotCzarny> also, beware of reddit
Dec 02 10:02:27 <Luke-Jr> ^ +1
Dec 02 10:04:42 <Sicelo> what does it do ..
Dec 02 10:04:51 <KotCzarny> eats your life
Dec 02 10:05:36 <KotCzarny> if you have family, work, hobbies, dont get hooked up on reddit
Dec 02 10:05:54 <Sicelo> it's just as bad as IRC then :)
Dec 02 10:06:10 <KotCzarny> yeah, good analogy
Dec 02 10:06:14 <KotCzarny> but its worse than irc
Dec 02 10:07:00 <jonwil> Hmmm, there IS a hackerspace in Brisbane. Maybe that might be a way to find some help...
Dec 02 10:07:37 <jonwil> Hmmm, they have an IRC channel right here on Freenode, lets pop into that channel and see whats up
Dec 02 10:11:08 <Sicelo> :)
Dec 02 10:16:23 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: not going to have those problems. i don't have that kind of time at my disposal.
Dec 02 10:16:46 <KotCzarny> if you say so, he he
Dec 02 10:22:05 <Sicelo> one needs to limit the amount of visible subreddits ... i removed all the default subreddits, and kept only 16, which relate to topics i have interest in 
Dec 02 10:22:26 * jonwil is glad he hasn't been sucked into the maw that is reddit
Dec 02 10:22:45 * jonwil reads enough web forums and things as it is
Dec 02 10:22:47 <Sicelo> :)
Dec 02 10:38:16 <Sicelo> anyone that uses alarmed? it runs scripts as user or root?
Dec 02 10:39:53 <joga> I use it...can't remember any specifics, been ages since last touched it, it just does some housekeeping for me
Dec 02 10:44:02 <Sicelo> i want to use it more :)
Dec 02 10:44:31 <joga> make it run a script that echoes the user to a file :)
Dec 02 10:49:41 <Sicelo> it's user .. hmm
Dec 02 11:00:46 <Vajb> i use it to run some scripts
Dec 02 11:01:01 <Vajb> as user that is
Dec 02 11:12:42 <Sicelo> i see now that my command was actually running successfully 
Dec 02 11:22:08 <KotCzarny> sicelo: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/12/reditr-reddit-desktop-app-for-ubuntu-deb-download i wonder what is it based on
Dec 02 11:24:38 <zGrr> o!
Dec 02 11:24:39 <zGrr> nice
Dec 02 11:25:17 <Sicelo> will look. i think i saw that one. there's also rtv .. terminal based
Dec 02 11:27:12 <zGrr> is there an application to manage multiple facebook personalities?
Dec 02 11:28:11 <jonwil> I posted in the forum of the hackerspace I found asking if anyone can help me with my N900 USB repair, hopefully someone there can either help me out (e.g. at their next open meeting) or point me in the direction of someone who can
Dec 02 11:56:42 <Vajb> zGrr: that is more of a matter of psychiatrist ;)
Dec 02 12:16:38 <zGrr> Vajb:  which one?
Dec 02 12:16:39 <zGrr> :)
Dec 02 12:27:22 <Vajb> umm, former
Dec 02 12:27:53 <zGrr> yes, right
Dec 02 12:37:36 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Dec 02 12:37:36 <infobot> :), DocScrutinizer51
Dec 02 12:43:33 <jonwil> ~usbfix
Dec 02 12:43:34 <infobot> it has been said that usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
Dec 02 12:45:53 <jonwil> Looks like I may have found a hackerspace with people who might be able to help me fix my USB port
Dec 02 12:46:02 <KotCzarny> jonwil, hooray!
Dec 02 12:46:17 <KotCzarny> also, new hackerfriends
Dec 02 12:46:33 <jonwil> They have an "open evening" on Tuesday so I will go there
Dec 02 12:46:55 <KotCzarny> missed by 1 day
Dec 02 12:46:56 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 02 14:52:03 <klopsi-u3> cpumem applet showing high/redline cpu use, but 'top' shows nothing using heavy cpu but pulseaudio @ 9.9%
Dec 02 14:54:04 <klopsi-u3> and kill -9 [pid of oscp] isn't killing the process
Dec 02 14:55:33 <klopsi-u3> starting an application shows yellow box 'too many applications open' though there's only two terminals
Dec 02 14:57:41 <Sicelo> what makes you suspect oscp?
Dec 02 14:58:08 <klopsi-u3> it was playing an mp3 and hung
Dec 02 14:58:21 <klopsi-u3> now process is killed and cpu load normal (low)
Dec 02 14:58:56 <KotCzarny> hmm
Dec 02 14:58:59 <klopsi-u3> and i can start an application again
Dec 02 15:00:40 <KotCzarny> if you happen to make it repeatable, let me know
Dec 02 15:00:58 <klopsi-u3> ok
Dec 02 16:36:05 <openbot> 179'th
Dec 02 16:37:11 <KotCzarny> openbot: help
Dec 02 16:37:39 <openbot> Me ?
Dec 02 16:37:59 <KotCzarny> broken bot, no help :P
Dec 02 16:38:13 <openbot> Lol
Dec 02 16:39:25 <openbot> Yeah some people thought that sometimes i dont know why ? :D 
Dec 02 16:41:13 <KotCzarny> me neither, but you should fix yourself :P
Dec 02 16:42:14 <openbot> Thats true :( 
Dec 02 16:45:49 <openbot> what is netsplit ?
Dec 02 16:46:42 <openbot> Some users less ?
Dec 02 16:47:17 <openbot> -''''''''...
Dec 02 18:35:44 <DocScrutinizer51> could somebody please paste me wget charge21.sh cmdline?
Dec 02 18:35:59 <KotCzarny> from your host?
Dec 02 18:36:18 <KotCzarny> ~jrtools
Dec 02 18:36:19 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Dec 02 18:37:05 <KotCzarny> wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/charge21_500mA-USBlimit__UNTESTED.sh
Dec 02 18:37:06 <kerio> http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt maybe
Dec 02 18:37:16 <DocScrutinizer51> kerio: ta
Dec 02 18:37:33 <kerio> there's no https for enivax.net :\
Dec 02 18:41:04 <KotCzarny> http://enivax.net/jk/n900/usb_ok.jpg
Dec 02 18:41:05 <KotCzarny> lol
Dec 02 19:01:44 <bencoh> ouch
Dec 02 19:02:44 <kerio> fucking savage
Dec 02 21:14:52 <jonwil> hi
Dec 02 21:15:39 <KotCzarny> hello
Dec 02 21:15:49 <freemangordon> jonwil: hi!
Dec 02 21:16:15 <jonwil> Looks like I found a way to fix my N900.
Dec 02 21:16:39 <jonwil> Should mean I dont have to leave the community and stop working on software stuff :)
Dec 02 21:17:25 <freemangordon> jonwil: BTW, if you still wonder what to RE, look at x86 version of fir_eq_.... functions.
Dec 02 21:17:33 <jonwil> ok
Dec 02 21:17:34 <freemangordon> oh, still having that issue?
Dec 02 21:17:40 <freemangordon> (USB port)
Dec 02 21:17:52 <jonwil> yes
Dec 02 21:18:06 <jonwil> I found a local hackerspace that runs an "open evening" on tuesday nights
Dec 02 21:18:10 <jonwil> and they can help me fix it
Dec 02 21:18:36 <freemangordon> BTW, don;t worry, if you can;t find a way to fix it, I am sure the community or neo900 will find a way to send you a new device. If not, I will :)
Dec 02 21:18:55 <jonwil> great
Dec 02 21:19:44 <freemangordon> jonwil: x96 versions have all (or most of) the variable names in DWARF info
Dec 02 21:19:49 <freemangordon> *x86
Dec 02 21:19:51 <jonwil> neat
Dec 02 21:20:36 <freemangordon> and they seem ~100% same to what we have in fremantle
Dec 02 21:20:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 02 21:23:12 <freemangordon> there *is* some NEON-optimized stuff, but I think it is only one simple for() loop, which I will RE instead of the C code when it comes to it
Dec 02 21:23:53 <jonwil> Will do if I get the chance (busy with other non-N900 stuff right at this minute :)
Dec 02 21:24:04 <freemangordon> oh, no hurry
Dec 02 21:24:22 <jonwil> aep is going to be the  hardest part to reverse engineer
Dec 02 21:24:22 * freemangordon gtg to work as well :)
Dec 02 21:24:30 <freemangordon> yeah, it'll be a nightmare
Dec 02 21:24:43 <freemangordon> eq stuff is easy
Dec 02 21:25:47 <freemangordon> I've almost finished a_equ(), which is used for iir fitering
Dec 02 21:26:23 <freemangordon> seems fremantle version is not NEON-optimized, while Harm is
Dec 02 21:26:53 <freemangordon> anyway, gtg, bye
Dec 02 21:27:03 <jonwil> ok, cya
Dec 02 21:29:32 <KotCzarny> fmg, thats a good and bad news
Dec 02 21:32:46 <jonwil> why is it bad?
Dec 02 21:33:01 <KotCzarny> because xprot probably is not optimized
Dec 02 21:59:41 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: xprot is 1 - optimized and 2 - unrelated :)
Dec 02 22:00:00 <KotCzarny> so xprot isnt doing eq too?
Dec 02 22:00:13 <freemangordon> it is, but using different algo
Dec 02 22:00:13 <KotCzarny> thought it was all in one piece of software
Dec 02 22:00:25 <freemangordon> no, it is spread all over the place
Dec 02 22:01:03 <KotCzarny> still, making PA not eating cpu would be great
Dec 02 22:01:15 <KotCzarny> (ie. moving algo wholly to dsp)
Dec 02 22:01:21 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: hi friend!
Dec 02 22:01:37 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51: hi! what's up?
Dec 02 22:01:51 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: sure, but first - we need the source code
Dec 02 22:01:58 <DocScrutinizer51> La Gomera :D
Dec 02 22:02:22 <freemangordon> oh
Dec 02 22:02:33 <KotCzarny> fmg, or replacement doing same thing
Dec 02 22:02:39 <DocScrutinizer51> take a break or take painful breakdown
Dec 02 22:03:26 <DocScrutinizer51> just playing: GRIP. the stranglers
Dec 02 22:03:29 <freemangordon> seems I am the most stupid of all the species - doc is in Spain, a friend of mine surprised me a couple of hours ago with being in Madrid, it is only me that am abut to start work :)
Dec 02 22:03:47 <freemangordon> *about
Dec 02 22:03:50 <DocScrutinizer51> (10th time)
Dec 02 22:04:54 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: what is "the same thing"? no audio algo on N9/00 uses DSP afaik
Dec 02 22:05:12 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: take care of yourself!
Dec 02 22:05:21 <freemangordon> I am trying
Dec 02 22:05:42 <DocScrutinizer51> (get a) GRIP (on yourself)
Dec 02 22:05:43 <KotCzarny> fmg, i mean, you did the tests to see what's it doing
Dec 02 22:06:02 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: which one, xprot?
Dec 02 22:06:12 <KotCzarny> yes
Dec 02 22:07:40 <DocScrutinizer51> but the MONEY's no good. just get a grip on yerself!
Dec 02 22:09:15 <DocScrutinizer51> youtube is ur ftirnd
Dec 02 22:09:29 <DocScrutinizer51> friend even
Dec 02 22:10:40 <DocScrutinizer51> good ole 80s 'punk'
Dec 02 22:13:15 <DocScrutinizer51> ok,'now playing: ugly / Stranglers'
Dec 02 22:13:30 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-nokia/blob/master/src/test/xprot_test.cpp
Dec 02 22:14:19 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51: I prefer harder stuff, remember I was in Wacken a couple of months ago
Dec 02 22:16:57 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Dec 02 22:16:58 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: thanks
Dec 02 22:17:05 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: could you convince jonwil to accept a package (with N900) sent to him?
Dec 02 22:19:27 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Dec 02 22:19:27 <infobot> DocScrutinizer51: :)
Dec 02 22:23:55 <DocScrutinizer51> now playing: down in the sewer (7:54!
Dec 02 22:27:01 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer51: I doubt he needs to be convinced now his device has broken USB port :)
Dec 02 22:27:31 <DocScrutinizer51> hey, Ihope so
Dec 02 22:29:05 <DocScrutinizer51> "The Stranglers' simply da best
Dec 02 22:46:30 <jonwil> So yeah hopefully the guys at this hackerspace can fix my N900 :)
Dec 02 22:48:52 <DocScrutinizer51> jonwil: please ping me with your addr before xmas. (not *51)
Dec 02 22:50:41 <DocScrutinizer51> mozilla doanted a few N900 which I hand out *only* to known helpful developers
Dec 02 22:51:19 <jonwil> If I can get my own N900 fixed, I dont need one of these Mozilla ones
Dec 02 22:51:31 <KotCzarny> jonwil, take it
Dec 02 22:51:37 <KotCzarny> devel unit comes handy
Dec 02 22:51:39 <kerio> take it boy
Dec 02 22:54:13 <KotCzarny> anyway, sleepy time
Dec 02 22:54:29 <DocScrutinizer51> jonwil: please accept the acknowledgement of ur status as one of the main devels and the pestering (like shipping a device) that comes with it
Dec 02 22:55:10 <jonwil> Yes, a devel device that I can dogfood stuff on like pulseaudio blobs would be handy to have. Doesn't affect my need to get my current primary every-day-use N900 fixed before I go on holidays on the 20th of December though (since getting any kind of replacement N900 by then isn't going to happen)
Dec 02 22:58:52 <DocScrutinizer51> good luck
Dec 02 23:01:30 <jonwil> The guys at the hackerspace say they can help me with the USB port repair
Dec 02 23:03:53 <jonwil> they have the gear to do fiddly soldering
Dec 02 23:04:05 <jonwil> and they have an open meeting on Tuesday that I plan to go do
Dec 02 23:59:47 <Oksana> :-D
Dec 03 00:07:54 <Wizzup> jonwil: if the traces are gone, then it won't be fixable
Dec 03 00:08:12 <jonwil> No indication the traces are gone yet
Dec 03 00:08:16 <Wizzup> okay
Dec 03 00:08:21 <Wizzup> otherwise you can just get a battery charger
Dec 03 00:08:29 <Wizzup> and an extra battery
Dec 03 00:09:22 <jonwil> As of right now bq27200.sh clearly indicates its charging
Dec 03 00:09:46 <jonwil> with a positive value for mA
Dec 03 00:54:36 <DocScrutinizer51> n8
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