**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 05 02:59:58 2015 Dec 05 04:42:28 Well, it's been two hours now. Dec 05 04:42:34 Time to get cracking, I suppose. Dec 05 04:51:01 Okay, the flashing seems to have gone fine. I'm booting it back up again now. Dec 05 05:03:24 The muarf mirror has "read WARNING" in the name. Which warning is this referring to? Dec 05 06:27:35 hi Dec 05 08:43:10 jonwil: ’lo. Dec 05 09:02:38 jonwil: pong Dec 05 09:02:51 Made a bit more progress Dec 05 09:03:03 great Dec 05 09:03:13 * freemangordon is going to check on github Dec 05 09:03:13 Done all I can do for now I think Dec 05 09:03:57 looks good Dec 05 09:04:05 will try to do more stuff today Dec 05 09:22:53 I dont even want to think about the mess that is aep Dec 05 09:34:29 Freemangordon: If you can figure out what the inline functions voice_cmt_dl_is_active_iothread and voice_cmt_ul_is_active_iothread actually look like, that will make it possible to clone a bunch more of the pulseaudio bits. Also, any information you have (or can figure out) about the functions (in Fremantle nokia-voice) at addresses 434DC, 4456C and 436CC would be very useful Dec 05 09:45:33 jonwil: ok, just lemme finish voip_source_process_msg and voip_sink_process_msg Dec 05 10:31:01 jonwil: 434DC looks like div Dec 05 10:33:28 4456C raises SIGFPE when 434dc tetects division by zero :) Dec 05 10:34:02 436CC looks like a wrapper Dec 05 10:34:07 all praise to 434DC! it saves out n900 from sploding! Dec 05 10:34:26 *our Dec 05 10:34:29 :) Dec 05 10:35:08 but seriously, i admire you two for doing that hard work Dec 05 10:35:27 keep REing! Dec 05 10:36:55 wanna join? Dec 05 10:37:02 it is not that much remaining Dec 05 10:37:18 just one AEP alog and a couple of functions :) Dec 05 10:37:21 too little asm knowledge, and i'm hacking at my project atm Dec 05 10:37:22 *algo Dec 05 10:37:45 you don't need asm actually, IDA does it to C code for you Dec 05 10:38:52 though saying "just one AEP" might give you wrong impression, actually that beast is huge and complicated Dec 05 10:39:17 i would love to join, but i have to pass it for now Dec 05 11:03:37 The muarf mirror has "read WARNING" in the name. Which warning is this referring to? Dec 05 11:03:47 where? Dec 05 11:03:57 package manager? apt? website? Dec 05 11:05:25 KotCzarny: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/muarf.install Dec 05 11:05:32 Linked from https://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#Mirrors_of_standard_Nokia_repos_.28using_Application_manager.29 Dec 05 11:06:02 ask the doc, its his site Dec 05 11:06:21 DocScrutinizer51: ^ Dec 05 11:06:23 but i guess it refers to the warning on the wiki page Dec 05 11:07:04 most likely to this: # nokia is no more, muarf.org is private mirror Dec 05 11:07:47 if you dont care about legal mumbo jumbo and just want nokia repo mirror you can safely ignore that warning Dec 05 11:09:07 Okay. Thanks. Dec 05 11:25:28 jonwil: https://github.com/community-ssu/pulseaudio-nokia/commit/376f1a026f5fd964dff57b7aada95b0bb6baf6d5 Dec 05 11:28:13 jonwil: pull the next commit as well Dec 05 11:35:15 hello its my first time here,can i know why my ip is is blacklosted on maemo(newly) and how could be solved? Dec 05 11:37:39 i can access maemo.org, but not talk.maemo.org Dec 05 11:43:32 ~techstaff Dec 05 11:43:37 ~ping Dec 05 11:43:48 she is dead :( Dec 05 11:43:59 DocScrutinizer51: ^^^ Dec 05 11:44:17 * DocScrutinizer51 too Dec 05 11:44:32 amen Dec 05 11:44:42 ~botsnack Dec 05 11:46:02 ask chem|st Dec 05 11:46:24 about IP whitelisting Dec 05 11:47:18 email timriker about ibot Dec 05 11:47:30 or just wait Dec 05 11:48:17 ok Dec 05 11:57:06 and check if your ip isnt in any spam db Dec 05 11:57:11 freemangordon: what do you plan to work on next? Dec 05 11:57:20 because it actually is Dec 05 11:57:27 http://www.stopforumspam.com/ipcheck/185.72.219.1 Dec 05 11:58:32 that info on maemo site should state it more clearly what is happening and what should user do Dec 05 11:58:59 maybe setup readonly mode for the same db? Dec 05 12:00:02 jonwil: not sure. fir maybe Dec 05 12:03:15 freemangordon: could you check if ibot or apt or purl are still online? if yes, I can do sth about the bot Dec 05 12:03:57 btw its clear from the info we have that voice_cmt_ul_is_active_iothread and voice_cmt_dl_is_active_iothread should be in voice-cmtspeech.h not voice-cmtspeech.c and also they clearly dont have the ENTER Dec 05 12:04:03 ENTER() macro at the start Dec 05 12:04:13 otherwise there would be a debug log call that macro Dec 05 12:04:15 and there isn't Dec 05 12:05:07 is_active sounds like a boolean test Dec 05 12:05:43 yeah both return pa_bool_t : Dec 05 12:05:44 ) Dec 05 12:05:46 :) Dec 05 12:06:17 it's a 4-liner, no much use in debugging it Dec 05 12:07:59 http://www.pcjs.org/devices/pc/machine/5160/cga/256kb/win101/ Dec 05 12:08:41 i dont really get what i should do, i have a limited knowledge concerning all these stuff Dec 05 12:14:37 baboo_: 1/ get an external ip (if its your home), or 2/ get a proxy without kids accessing it Dec 05 12:14:56 and you can 3/ send an email to tech staff at meamoe.org Dec 05 12:15:34 anybody checked if ibot or apt or purl is online? Dec 05 12:15:45 in any case it doesn't look like having voice_cmt_ul_is_active_iothread/voice_cmt_dl_is_active_iothread makes the remaining functions easier to reverse engineer Dec 05 12:15:56 Some of the missing stuff uses ARM FP Dec 05 12:16:03 ARM FPU instructions (something I cant decode) Dec 05 12:16:29 well FPU or NEON (same difference to me, I cant understand that stuff at all) Dec 05 12:19:04 ok i guess its better to contact someone from staff, who shall i contact? Dec 05 12:20:54 baboo_: ping chem|st Dec 05 12:21:28 or send a mail to techstaff AT maemo org Dec 05 12:24:08 how to ping him?sorry but its my first time here Dec 05 12:25:00 Looks like we are very close to having all the functions that touch PulseAudio completed :) Dec 05 12:26:30 freemangordon: sorry I'm semi-offline and purl and ibot also not online. Zilch I can do before xmas. when you send a mail to tim riker. include subject 'greetings from DocScrutinizer, please restart infobot" Dec 05 12:27:41 that infobot is down a lot nowadays Dec 05 12:31:13 DocScrutinizer51: I flashed my phone this morning, and now I have CSSU running on my phone. Thanks a lot for the help! Dec 05 12:32:50 yw :) a.so welcome to this nice community Dec 05 12:34:02 Not sure exactly what to do with this thing now though. ;-) I just bought it used kinda for fun. Considering upgrading it to a Neo900 when that becomes available. Dec 05 12:34:37 airwave, are you going to use it as a phone, smartphone or pocket linux ? Dec 05 12:34:53 note that Neo900 is quite pricey and built to order Dec 05 12:35:44 KotCzarny: If I got Neo900, I'd use it as a smartphone. This N900 I probably won't use for much other than playing around with. Dec 05 12:36:13 airwave, it actually has a lot to offer, assuming you are familiar with linux and hacking things Dec 05 12:36:36 main stopping point are old kernel/glibc and limited memory Dec 05 12:36:49 otherwise it's just pocket linux computer with phone module Dec 05 12:36:59 KotCzarny: I'm a GNU/Linux sysadmin, so I'm quite familiar. :-) Dec 05 12:37:33 i guess you have installed ssh already and root access Dec 05 12:37:38 Yeah. Dec 05 12:37:49 there are some pentest tools available Dec 05 12:37:57 That's handy. Dec 05 12:37:58 Airwave: you *wnt* to get: simple brightness applet Dec 05 12:38:34 also, some puzzle apps come handy for bathroom time Dec 05 12:38:46 and possibly 2G/3G selector Dec 05 12:38:52 DocScrutinizer51: Got it now. Thanks for the tip! Dec 05 12:38:56 KotCzarny: :-D Dec 05 12:39:38 I'm kind of a free software guy, so if I could get this thing running with mostly just FOSS, that would be really neat. Dec 05 12:39:58 Would be nice to remove all of this Facebook and Amazon stuff that I don't really want. Dec 05 12:39:59 and if you play music there are quite a few players available, having cssu install omp (open media player) or my oscp if you prefer directory based browsing/using Dec 05 12:40:07 yes, you can Dec 05 12:40:12 Airwave: pro tip: press and hold the rectangle left side. when it vanishes (and backlight state toggled) drag your finger to not get a pen-up event in the app with focus Dec 05 12:40:15 http://wiki.maemo.org/Slimming_OS Dec 05 12:41:42 Airwave: you can uninstall all that silly cruft quite easily Dec 05 12:41:44 Thanks for the tips guys. Dec 05 12:42:19 Airwave: one WARNING: maemo is not a plain debian, regarding apt and dpkg Dec 05 12:42:53 NEVER think you could do a upgrade or dist-upgrade Dec 05 12:43:09 That's good to know. Thanks. Dec 05 12:43:16 basically whole maemo is one large metapkg Dec 05 12:43:52 keeping that in mind, it's easy going Dec 05 12:44:48 you should visit jrtools ;) Dec 05 12:45:06 alas I lack the URL now that infobot is MIA Dec 05 12:45:58 What's jrtools? Dec 05 12:46:03 something like wiki.maemo.org/user:joerg_rw/tools Dec 05 12:46:53 airwave, its bunch of his tips/hacks Dec 05 12:47:02 Cool, thanks. Dec 05 12:47:25 I have this issue where when I try to scroll, I accidentally click instead. Any tips on avoiding that? Dec 05 12:47:34 use stylus Dec 05 12:47:42 press harder Dec 05 12:47:51 this is a resistive ts Dec 05 12:48:08 use fingernail Dec 05 12:48:23 Okay, thanks. Dec 05 12:48:49 resisitve ts tries to resist you doing anything, you gotta do harder! Dec 05 12:49:07 if you find some tool missing, its usually in extras-devel, and if you dont want to trust unknown compiles, you can install scratchbox and compile things yourself Dec 05 12:49:27 inz: what does capacitive do? Dec 05 12:49:38 caps you? Dec 05 12:51:19 KotCzarny, maybe capsize, not sure Dec 05 12:52:41 and touchscreen touches you Dec 05 12:53:00 maybe in soviet russia Dec 05 12:53:19 Airwave: again re Neo900: it never will 'become available' in a sense you can head out and shop it. Its built to order for those who preordered Dec 05 12:53:42 DocScrutinizer51: You're right. Thanks for the correction. Dec 05 12:53:58 just a heads up :D Dec 05 12:55:07 MAYBE we will roll a second batch when first one becomes so popular we thet we get enough preorders for that 2nd batch Dec 05 12:55:38 and IFF we can source more of the needed components Dec 05 12:56:24 I haven't decided whether or not to preorder. Dec 05 12:57:04 yeah, it's a tough decision Dec 05 12:57:09 :) Dec 05 12:57:50 once you learn to know and love your N900, it gets easier though Dec 05 12:58:06 :-D Dec 05 12:58:40 While I do think the N900 is a very nice phone (loving that physical keyboard), the biggest selling point for me is the free software aspect. Dec 05 12:59:02 "How I learned to stop worrying and love the N900" Dec 05 12:59:03 yes Dec 05 12:59:20 airwave: firmware blobs or user software? Dec 05 13:00:07 KotCzarny: Both are important, but I place a higher value on the user software being free. Dec 05 13:00:52 Neo900 will be even better in FOSS regard, since it doesn't need closed blob NOLO bootloader and no obfuscated crappy ISI interface to modem Dec 05 13:01:16 Airwave: You will be happy to know that we are working to make one of the core components for audio on the N900 open source by reverse engineering it Dec 05 13:01:32 And we have made a number of other key system components open source too like MCE Dec 05 13:01:34 My current phone is Samsung Galaxy S3 running CyanogenMod with F-Droid and no Google apps. I would use Replicant, but it doesn't support USSD codes, which I need for work. Dec 05 13:02:17 what? replicant doe no USSD??? WTF! Dec 05 13:02:21 DocScrutinizer51: The isolated modem aspect of the Neo900 is a big selling point for me. Dec 05 13:02:33 :D Dec 05 13:02:35 jonwil: That's excellent news. Dec 05 13:02:36 ta Dec 05 13:02:54 DocScrutinizer51: Samsung-RIL doesn't support USSD codes yet (http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/Samsung-RIL) Dec 05 13:03:15 Airwave: I did my very best to design the best phone I could think of Dec 05 13:03:16 Airwave, thanks for mentioning replicant, hadn't heard of it, maybe I'll try it on my Nexus S Dec 05 13:03:34 OHMY the RIL Dec 05 13:03:38 what a crap Dec 05 13:04:32 * DocScrutinizer51 is so happy Neo900 won't need any friggin RIL Dec 05 13:05:06 inz: It's pretty neat, but most phones are missing some notable features because of missing blobs: http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/ReplicantStatus Dec 05 13:05:34 You could extract the blobs from the corresponding CM image and install them yourself though. Dec 05 13:06:21 DocScrutinizer51: The three things I dislike about my phone are: 1. No physical keyboard. 2. Some of the hardware requires blobs. 3. Poor modem isolation. Dec 05 13:06:27 funny sidenote: N900 also didn't know USSD and 2-digit starhash codes initially, until finallly: starhash-enabler Dec 05 13:06:32 i wonder why people buy such phones in the first place if they are unhappy, 'vote with your wallet' is powerful Dec 05 13:06:34 The Neo900 improves or fixes every single one of these. Dec 05 13:07:11 yes, of course it does Dec 05 13:07:21 The biggest missing open piece hardware wise on N900 is the PowerVR GPU drivers (used both for X11 via xserver-xorg-video-fbdev and for OpenGLES) Dec 05 13:07:26 that's been topmost design goal Dec 05 13:08:23 As for Neo900 and cellular modem, Neo900 will definitely need some sort of cellular modem daemon that talks to the cellular module Dec 05 13:08:30 and exposes some sort of interface Dec 05 13:08:38 jonwil: yeah, annoying. But no showstopper Dec 05 13:08:39 (dbus probably) to the upper level of the system Dec 05 13:09:20 The hard part there is figuring out what the various nokia dbus interfaces do so we can be compatible (since we want to be able to use stock N900 dialer app and things on Neo900 last I checked) Dec 05 13:09:34 ack Dec 05 13:09:50 don't miss to check fso Dec 05 13:10:08 Which operating system are people planning on installing on their Neo900s? Dec 05 13:10:14 fre smartphone org, of mickey lauer Dec 05 13:10:33 Airwave: I guess most want maemo Dec 05 13:10:37 but yeah the audio blobs and GPU driver are the 2 biggest missing pieces in regards to FOSS and hardware Dec 05 13:10:41 on Neo900 Dec 05 13:10:49 and indeed on N900 Dec 05 13:11:02 As mentioned, audio blobs are in the process of being cloned Dec 05 13:11:22 jonwil: can't ofono do that? Dec 05 13:11:22 I dont think anyone out there has any real willingness to do anything with the GPU drivers though Dec 05 13:11:34 GPU driver is probably harder to reverse engineer, right? Dec 05 13:11:34 Airwave, I might have some versions of the blobs lying on disk already; already have self-built AOSP after some dev work on it Dec 05 13:11:43 Airwave: just forget about the gpu driver :) Dec 05 13:11:46 Wizzup: we got FSO, why use dang ofono? Dec 05 13:12:09 If that works, then that is fine too Dec 05 13:12:59 it already worked on SHR on Neo900 prot-v1 Dec 05 13:13:26 and generally SHR worked on Freerunner just fine Dec 05 13:13:33 inz: If you need any help getting it to work, let me know. I think I remember how to do it. Dec 05 13:13:47 Okay, this is pretty neat. I'm playing Heroes of Might and Magic 2 on my phone. Dec 05 13:13:50 I love this game. Dec 05 13:14:23 :) Dec 05 13:14:37 Maybe this should be my main phone after all. :-D Dec 05 13:14:49 buy bigger battery then Dec 05 13:14:57 it for sure is for me ;) Dec 05 13:15:22 Where should I buy another battery? eBay? Dec 05 13:15:28 since 5 years Dec 05 13:15:38 but yeah whatever we use (ofono, FSO, whatever) we need to expose the right dbus interfaces that the stock apps are looking for :) Dec 05 13:15:41 polarcell is known to be good (and has ~1500mAh) Dec 05 13:15:47 hmm, 2nd battery is a good idea Dec 05 13:16:04 if you want bigger, either hack the 2 in parallel, or go mugen (its ~2400mAh) Dec 05 13:16:05 The guy I bought it from actually gave me two extra batteries. Dec 05 13:16:06 jonwil: yep Dec 05 13:16:25 Airwave: ooh nice Dec 05 13:16:45 did you already check their capacity :D Dec 05 13:17:20 you know we have decent battery gas gauge in N900 Dec 05 13:17:44 where's the damn bot? GRRRR Dec 05 13:18:14 Wow, it's three extra batteries, actually. Dec 05 13:18:18 They all say 1320 mAh. Dec 05 13:18:28 actual or just printed? Dec 05 13:18:42 if only I had checked my router's port forwards befor leaving Dec 05 13:18:42 for me personally, maemo would ideally mostly stay the same, but actually be updated against recent libraries, with a recent kernel. of course a prerequisite for that is that all the parts are open Dec 05 13:18:52 for example, openssl 0.9.8 support is being dropped as of the last release, apparently Dec 05 13:18:58 even for security fixes, etc Dec 05 13:19:01 KotCzarny: How could I check? By plugging then in and checking in software? Dec 05 13:19:11 Airwave, ok, not sure if ill have any time to fiddle with it tho Dec 05 13:19:13 airwave, if you have cssu it will report capacity Dec 05 13:19:31 if you've changed batteries just wait 1-2 cycles Dec 05 13:19:42 and then click on the statusbar Dec 05 13:19:49 Neat. Dec 05 13:19:55 Airwave: bq27200.sh Dec 05 13:20:05 How do I enter the application switcher when I'm running a full screen program? Dec 05 13:20:15 ctrl-backspace Dec 05 13:20:16 i think Dec 05 13:20:29 That works. Thanks. Dec 05 13:20:38 Airwave: there's always ctrl-bs Dec 05 13:21:14 and I use it with the right gconf key like alt-tab on desktop Dec 05 13:21:26 see jrtools Dec 05 13:21:56 This display is pretty nice for a device this old. Dec 05 13:22:03 I need to pimp this N900 xchat to have some udeful macros Dec 05 13:22:59 it's almost sufficient for roaming a few weeks, but I miss my bookmarks Dec 05 13:23:28 and when even dang bot is MIA... :-S Dec 05 13:23:31 I feel like this phone is more of a portable computer instead of just a toy like most smartphones these days. Dec 05 13:23:48 yes Dec 05 13:23:50 Airwave: you bet it is Dec 05 13:23:53 pocket linux computer Dec 05 13:23:57 with phone app Dec 05 13:24:17 remember, it started as nit (nokia internet tablet) Dec 05 13:24:27 alltime meme: N900 is *not* a phone Dec 05 13:24:38 I've always really disliked smartphones because of the touch screen keyboard and the toy OS. Dec 05 13:24:51 yep Dec 05 13:25:09 I dont want 'apps' Dec 05 13:25:16 and themes Dec 05 13:25:22 and ringtones Dec 05 13:25:35 I want /etc ;) Dec 05 13:25:43 You said it! :-D Dec 05 13:25:47 pity its one of the very few such devices, and after 6 years after its introduction, still useful Dec 05 13:26:22 Yeah Dec 05 13:26:49 one positive side is that it can be bought second hand for ~20-50usd Dec 05 13:27:19 Can I sync contacts and calendars over CardDAV and CalDAV with this phone? Dec 05 13:27:47 there been some solutions Dec 05 13:27:59 it's linux ;) Dec 05 13:28:05 ;-) Dec 05 13:28:46 calendar is evolution iirc Dec 05 13:29:53 contacts you can export and import e.g. with a script you find in maemo.cloud-u.de/maemo/usr/bin or somesuch Dec 05 13:30:14 cloud-7 even Dec 05 13:30:29 Okay, thanks. Dec 05 13:30:54 also the stock maemo 'backup' creates tarballs Dec 05 13:31:04 with XML iirc Dec 05 13:31:23 vcard Dec 05 13:31:31 Nice Dec 05 13:32:50 backup's 'restore' is quite nice, you can select which apps to install - though it installs them from repo, not from backup tarball Dec 05 13:33:05 Interesting Dec 05 13:33:29 I already pondered distributing whole metapackages as backup tarball Dec 05 13:34:12 sth like 'My favorite Maemo Setup' package Dec 05 13:34:36 Cool Dec 05 13:34:46 always been too lazy to set up an otherwise clean system to create such tarball Dec 05 13:35:06 finally should do Dec 05 13:35:28 maybe between xmas and new year Dec 05 13:36:10 Airwave: check out maemo.cloud-u.de, you might find a few useful things Dec 05 13:36:17 dang Dec 05 13:36:27 maemo.cloud-7.de Dec 05 13:36:38 Thanks man Dec 05 13:36:41 I'll check it out Dec 05 13:38:28 don't miss backupmenu, commonly referred to as BM Dec 05 13:38:33 it's essential Dec 05 13:39:01 Yeah, I installed that right before I installed CSSU Dec 05 13:39:12 :D good boy Dec 05 13:39:24 :-D Dec 05 13:39:40 did it work? Dec 05 13:39:55 Yeah, worked great. I ran a backup with it. Dec 05 13:40:06 installation is a tad cumbersome lately, I heard Dec 05 13:40:36 I just installed from App Manager. No issues. Dec 05 13:40:38 well, not when you got muarf Dec 05 13:40:49 repos Dec 05 13:40:53 Yeah, that's the first thing I did after flashing. Dec 05 13:41:01 :D Dec 05 13:41:18 I need to mirror muarf soonish Dec 05 13:41:32 Any thoughts on moving it to HTTPS? Dec 05 13:41:43 merlin1991: did you mirror base repos? Dec 05 13:42:45 Airwave: I don't know shit about how apt and rrepos work ;) Dec 05 13:42:53 Hehe, okay Dec 05 13:43:31 I hope mirroring is a lightweight process Dec 05 13:43:51 which gcc can create executables? Dec 05 13:43:58 need my 'privatem mirror on my maemo.cloud-u Dec 05 13:44:12 parazyd: none :D Dec 05 13:44:20 DocScrutinizer05: why?! Dec 05 13:44:24 the linker does Dec 05 13:44:32 bah, what do i use? Dec 05 13:44:42 parazyd, on device or dev env? Dec 05 13:44:46 on n900 Dec 05 13:44:51 its tricky Dec 05 13:45:03 first, little space on rootfs Dec 05 13:45:10 parazyd: on-platform development strongly deprecated Dec 05 13:45:33 so should i compile it somewhere else? Dec 05 13:45:35 use scratchbox Dec 05 13:45:40 it has to work on the n900 though Dec 05 13:45:40 yes Dec 05 13:45:46 parazyd, yes, scratchbox Dec 05 13:46:11 great Dec 05 13:46:14 alas bot is missing, so no ~sb factoid Dec 05 13:47:05 https://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation Dec 05 13:47:17 afair you just get 2 scripts and run them Dec 05 13:47:18 parazyd: there's a VM image with the devel environment Dec 05 13:47:30 and there is also vm image too (prepared) Dec 05 13:47:39 oh nice Dec 05 13:47:54 X86 Dec 05 13:51:49 be prepared that scratchbox with sdk can eat few gigs of space Dec 05 13:52:36 on a positive side it can easily create installable debs from debian sources almost without user help Dec 05 13:52:59 parazyd: with xephyr you even can run and test your app in the scratchbox environment Dec 05 13:53:17 yes, just reading it now Dec 05 13:54:13 there's also an alternative called 'MADDE' but I don't know nuttin about it Dec 05 13:54:46 iirc it's strictly only for Qt apps Dec 05 13:56:27 don't need qt Dec 05 13:56:31 but thanks :D Dec 05 13:56:51 sb supports all Dec 05 13:57:10 madde is a functional subset, somewhat lightweight Dec 05 13:58:40 Airwave: writing from N900 xchat ;-D Dec 05 13:58:57 DocScrutinizer51: Nice :-D Dec 05 14:00:32 Airwave: re batteries: nuke skype! make sure your WLAN doesn't scan every 5 minutes. And you're good for almost a whole day of always online in IRC and GSM phone from one battery Dec 05 14:01:37 actually when connected via WLAN, my phone easily idles more than one day *with* xchat online Dec 05 14:01:54 DocScrutinizer51: How do I turn off the WLAN scan? Dec 05 14:01:57 3G is a known battery hog Dec 05 14:02:08 I don't use Skype, so that's no issue for me. Dec 05 14:02:20 adjust scan interval to 15 or 30 minutes Dec 05 14:02:45 Does it scan even when I'm already connected to a network? Dec 05 14:03:02 for WLAN. Or adjust the 'always use WLAN when available' setting Dec 05 14:03:11 no Dec 05 14:03:16 Okay, good. Dec 05 14:03:32 when associated to AP, it's prettu humble on energy Dec 05 14:03:43 That's good. Dec 05 14:03:53 but when not, it's a massive power hog Dec 05 14:04:03 DocScrutinizer51: hm? Dec 05 14:04:14 unless you scan only every now and then, or never Dec 05 14:04:24 merlin1991: muarf Dec 05 14:04:48 I want a tad more trusted mirrors of base repos Dec 05 14:05:20 well I have the stuff, but don't want to risk it Dec 05 14:05:23 I hope 'we' got them too? Dec 05 14:05:35 good :D Dec 05 14:05:47 I think so too Dec 05 14:06:02 merlin1991: eventually please share it to me Dec 05 14:06:27 distributed backup ;) Dec 05 14:07:01 thought about a CSSU patch to /etc/hosts : Dec 05 14:25:55 damn, since quite some time something is terribly fuckedup in my microb bookmarks startpage: when scrolling to the bottom it violently kicks me back all to the top Dec 05 14:33:01 only on the 'root', not in any subdirs in bookmark structure Dec 05 14:33:43 Airwave: you want to create a shortcut icon for 'settings' on your desktop Dec 05 14:36:52 and one for phone, one for conversations aka SMS Dec 05 14:38:42 DocScrutinizer51: that happened to me more than a handful of times Dec 05 14:38:51 no idea why, no idea how it resolved itself Dec 05 14:38:57 ooh Dec 05 14:39:24 I tried deleting bottom bookmark, didn't help Dec 05 14:40:03 maybe I got an invisible broken bottom bookmark? Dec 05 14:40:38 one with icon size 800*800? Dec 05 14:42:08 I gather the whole UI is just another HTML/JS local file that's displaying the bookmarks? Dec 05 14:45:02 kerio: thanks anyway :) Dec 05 21:21:23 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 06 02:59:58 2015