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Dec 08 10:52:30 <KotCzarny> hmm, apparently n900/n8 screen is a dsi type, the same that's on raspberry/banana pi boards
Dec 08 10:52:54 <KotCzarny> s/screen/screen connection/
Dec 08 10:53:50 <KotCzarny> which also means one could repurpose n900 board with custom dsi screen
Dec 08 11:59:54 <KotCzarny> wizzup: i've caved in and went for banana pi r1 (5eth ports will reduce device clutter i have here a bit)
Dec 08 12:00:16 <KotCzarny> i hope radiators will solve stability problems
Dec 08 12:00:38 <KotCzarny> and my current power setup go from ~60W to ~5W
Dec 08 14:19:03 * jonwil is VERY happy
Dec 08 14:19:52 <jonwil> The gurus at the hackerspace seem to have fixed my phone
Dec 08 14:20:01 <jonwil> It now boots again without anything connected to USB jack
Dec 08 14:20:04 <KotCzarny> hooray!
Dec 08 14:20:47 <KotCzarny> did you also introduce them to n900's fandom too?
Dec 08 14:20:58 <jonwil> some of them already recognized how good the N900 is
Dec 08 14:21:04 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 08 14:21:39 <jonwil> somehow the bq27200 chip has completly lost its memory about battery
Dec 08 14:21:56 <KotCzarny> not a big problem
Dec 08 14:22:00 <jonwil> I will charge it until the light goes green and bq27200.sh says the VDQ is 1
Dec 08 14:22:09 <jonwil> then I will let it discharge completly and see what it records
Dec 08 14:22:35 <KotCzarny> while at it you mightve replaced batpup with cond
Dec 08 14:22:45 <KotCzarny> i meam with cap
Dec 08 14:23:00 <jonwil> didn't even know about batpup
Dec 08 14:26:38 <bencoh> jonwil: yay :)
Dec 08 14:28:07 <bencoh> jonwil: did they just resolder the usb connector?
Dec 08 14:28:24 <jonwil> It involved taking the phone apart, hitting the USB port with a hot air gun and other stuff in an attempt to de-solder the USB connector so it could be replaced
Dec 08 14:28:39 <bencoh> oh, so they replaced it?
Dec 08 14:28:42 <jonwil> and then discovering the USB connector on my phone is glued in place
Dec 08 14:28:49 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 08 14:28:55 <jonwil> and wasn't going to come off without ruining the phone
Dec 08 14:29:00 <jonwil> then we just put it back together
Dec 08 14:29:13 <KotCzarny> long story short, glue doesnt help
Dec 08 14:29:14 <jonwil> and it booted right up without anything plugged in
Dec 08 14:29:32 <KotCzarny> probably previous user hought it would be a good idea
Dec 08 14:29:41 <jonwil> no, this was a new-from-Nokia N900
Dec 08 14:29:50 <KotCzarny> oh
Dec 08 14:29:55 <jonwil> replacement for a previous N900 under warranty
Dec 08 14:30:05 <jonwil> that previous N900 actually went totally USB busted
Dec 08 14:31:49 <jonwil> anyhow, there was no way to get the USB port off so it wasn't replaceable and since it was glued down to the point where it wouldn't move, the person looking at it didn't see anything more that could be done other than putting the phone back together
Dec 08 14:32:51 <jonwil> So far the only thing that seems weird is that /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mA is showing zero even though bq27200.sh shows 767 in the mA column and charge levels going up
Dec 08 14:34:40 <jonwil> Anyhow I intend to leave my phone connected to the charger overnight which should mean it has full charge
Dec 08 14:34:42 <jonwil> then go from there
Dec 08 14:57:32 <erlehmann> i have a small patch for the feed reader resistance
Dec 08 14:57:38 <erlehmann> where can i submit it?
Dec 08 14:57:46 <erlehmann> i think i got it from extras-devel
Dec 08 15:02:13 <erlehmann> i assume i will email the maintainer
Dec 08 15:10:12 <Sicelo> erlehmann: what features of resistance are nice? (like ... sell it to me) 
Dec 08 15:11:37 <erlehmann> sicelo, after i patched it, it can read feeds. most other "feed readers" cannot.
Dec 08 15:12:20 <Sicelo> :)
Dec 08 15:12:20 <erlehmann> sicelo, like, try http://news.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/notes/index.xml in your favourite feed reader
Dec 08 15:12:34 <erlehmann> or http://warumnicht.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/feed.atom
Dec 08 15:12:49 <Sicelo> ok. will do. erlehmann: can it read those needing authentication?
Dec 08 15:13:03 <erlehmann> first is a feed that contains both xml and and plain text
Dec 08 15:13:12 <erlehmann> second is a podcast with multiple enclosures
Dec 08 15:13:49 <erlehmann> without my patch, resistance mangles plain text and does not display application/xhtml+xml content
Dec 08 15:14:33 <Sicelo> meantime, i need to find out why my N900 is busy popping up connection dialog, even though i'm connected to network :(
Dec 08 15:25:01 <erlehmann> sicelo http://daten.dieweltistgarnichtso.net/src/maemo-resistance-gui.patch
Dec 08 15:29:39 <erlehmann> sicelo apply that patch to gui.py
Dec 08 15:33:27 <Sicelo> hmm, erlehmann .. stock feed reader seems to be handling first link just fine
Dec 08 15:35:14 <erlehmann> sicelo stock feed reader is which?
Dec 08 15:35:34 <Sicelo> just named RSS in the menu
Dec 08 15:35:51 <erlehmann> ah
Dec 08 15:37:36 <erlehmann> sicelo yeah well it displays all of them after each other.
Dec 08 15:37:46 <erlehmann> and is trying to load like 400 pictures at once
Dec 08 15:38:12 <erlehmann> not sure if we have same standards for "handling just fine"
Dec 08 15:38:52 <Sicelo> can disable pictures. and yes, i get your point :)
Dec 08 15:39:07 <erlehmann> sicelo well, resistance has a list of articles
Dec 08 15:39:14 <erlehmann> try it (with my patch to gui.py)
Dec 08 16:42:58 <KotCzarny> wizzup: http://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/142-board-for-router/  ;)
Dec 08 16:58:20 <RzR> hi
Dec 08 16:58:48 <APic> Hi
Dec 08 17:09:42 <KotCzarny> another note, banana pi m3 features octacore cortex-a7 with powervr sgx544 (n900 has sgx 530). its a long shot but maybe there will be something worth to snag in the future
Dec 08 17:20:05 <KotCzarny> wizzup, and you are right about banana pi being shit pi, still, you wanted some info on a83: http://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/474-quick-review-of-banana-pi-m3/
Dec 08 17:22:13 <kerio> but it's got a cute name :(
Dec 08 17:28:04 <KotCzarny> cute shit is still shit
Dec 08 17:28:30 <KotCzarny> but i admit, being cute it appeals to the masses
Dec 08 18:42:30 <Airwave> This is gonna sound dumb, but I got the tip of a q-tip stuck inside the stylus slot on my N900. Any good ideas on getting it out?
Dec 08 18:42:49 <Humpelstilzchen> rofl
Dec 08 18:42:59 <Airwave> I tried to use the stylus itself to get it out, but that only made it worse.
Dec 08 18:43:33 <Humpelstilzchen> Airwave: how about some wire
Dec 08 18:43:47 <Humpelstilzchen> about 1mm steel
Dec 08 18:43:57 <Airwave> I don't have any wire lying around.
Dec 08 18:44:02 <Humpelstilzchen> paperclips?
Dec 08 18:44:46 <Airwave> That's not a bad idea. I'll bring one home from work tomorrow.
Dec 08 18:45:08 <Airwave> I'm honestly not optimistic though. Every attempt I've made has just gotten it stuck further in there.
Dec 08 18:45:25 <Airwave> I don't want to have to get a new one because of some fucking q-tip in the stylus slot.
Dec 08 18:46:56 <Airwave> It's stuck pretty good in there. This was an awful idea.
Dec 08 18:47:25 <Airwave> Can't believe I ruined a prime condition N900 over something as stupid as this.
Dec 08 18:48:15 <ecc3g> Drill bit :D
Dec 08 18:48:31 <DocScrutinizer51> disassembly is prolly the first choice option
Dec 08 18:51:05 <Airwave> Will disassembly get me inside the stylus slot?
Dec 08 18:51:13 <sixwheeledbeast> Can you get into there with it disassembled?
Dec 08 18:51:51 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
Dec 08 18:52:39 <DocScrutinizer51> by removing mainboard the slot is just a bay in plastic case
Dec 08 18:53:58 <DocScrutinizer51> open to access in full lenth
Dec 08 18:54:48 <Airwave> Fuck, just kill me now. I thought I was so clever with my idea to use a q-tip to clean the stylus slot.
Dec 08 18:54:53 <DocScrutinizer51> too hard widdling with wires etc may damage the PCB, so I strongly discourage to do such efforts
Dec 08 18:55:47 <DocScrutinizer51> Airwave: just the adding that is stuck in there?
Dec 08 18:55:57 <DocScrutinizer51> wadding
Dec 08 18:56:01 <Airwave> Yeah.
Dec 08 18:56:06 <Airwave> I'll try a paper clip tomorrow, and if it doesn't work I'll just throw the phone out the window.
Dec 08 18:58:54 <DocScrutinizer51> try a wooden 'meat needle' with rough surface. poke into the wadding with the pinpoint stick and then turn the stick so the wadding gets wound around stich, then carefully pull sticj out. repeat whole procedure until all wadding gone
Dec 08 19:01:12 <Airwave> What's a meat needle?
Dec 08 19:01:37 <DocScrutinizer51> if that doesn't work and wadding really is a problem, then consider disassembly which is easy enough so you dont need to throw device outa window
Dec 08 19:02:19 <Airwave> An sewing needle might work if I get it beside the wadding and pull it out like that.
Dec 08 19:02:25 <Airwave> A sewing*
Dec 08 19:02:35 <DocScrutinizer51> Airwave: a wooden pinpointed stick with maybe 2 or 3mm diameter
Dec 08 19:02:50 <Airwave> DocScrutinizer51: Do you have a picture of one?
Dec 08 19:02:58 <DocScrutinizer51> no
Dec 08 19:03:09 <Airwave> I'm afraid I don't really understand what you mean.
Dec 08 19:03:36 <Airwave> This is like that episode of The Simpsons where Lisa gets gum in her hair and everyone has some novel idea on how to get it out, and each idea just makes it worse.
Dec 08 19:04:01 <DocScrutinizer51> honestly, use a long match and carve it pinbpointed, making sure surface is rough enough so wadding will stick to it
Dec 08 19:04:23 <Airwave> It doesn't feel like the wadding will stick to anything though.
Dec 08 19:04:35 <DocScrutinizer51> it will
Dec 08 19:06:53 <sixwheeledbeast> I think that's a genius idea, the wadding should grab onto the rough surface of the wood.
Dec 08 19:07:09 <DocScrutinizer51> try 'drilling' into wadding of another Qtip with a pinpointed rough wodden 'needle', you'll see how the wadding gets stuck and wound arpund the wooden surface
Dec 08 19:07:55 <Airwave> I don't know how I'd make a rough wooden needle.
Dec 08 19:08:31 <sixwheeledbeast> wooden fondue skewer, long match or the like?
Dec 08 19:11:32 <Airwave> I've never seen a fondue skewer that wasn't metal.
Dec 08 19:12:14 <Airwave> If I knew how to get or make this wooden needle that you're talking about, it would probably work, but I honestly have no idea how to do so.
Dec 08 19:16:35 <KotCzarny> airwave: match + superg;ue
Dec 08 19:17:01 <KotCzarny> just a tiny bit at the tip 
Dec 08 19:17:08 <Airwave> KotCzarny: I'd have to be REALLY careful to not end up with superglue inside the slot.
Dec 08 19:17:22 <KotCzarny> yes, not applying it to the qtip
Dec 08 19:17:33 <KotCzarny> but to the thing you will be inserting
Dec 08 19:17:37 <Airwave> Yeah.
Dec 08 19:17:44 <Airwave> Even so, I'd have to be really careful.
Dec 08 19:17:47 <KotCzarny> yes
Dec 08 19:18:04 <KotCzarny> apart from disassembly its the best option
Dec 08 19:18:28 <KotCzarny> i remember that minijack plug broke inside my n800
Dec 08 19:18:53 <KotCzarny> used some ard wire and managed to unstuck it
Dec 08 19:19:00 <KotCzarny> but this is a bit different
Dec 08 19:19:25 <KotCzarny> also, wtf were you doing to the poor n900
Dec 08 19:19:28 <KotCzarny> :P
Dec 08 19:19:49 <Airwave> Trying to clean the stylus slot.
Dec 08 19:19:56 <Airwave> I thought I was so fucking smart using a q-tip.
Dec 08 19:20:35 <KotCzarny> you can also try using sewing harpoon (whatever it is called)
Dec 08 19:21:31 <Airwave> A sewing needle?
Dec 08 19:21:47 <KotCzarny> the one with the hook at the end
Dec 08 19:22:29 <Airwave> A hook at the end? I've never seen anything like that.
Dec 08 19:22:41 <KotCzarny> crotchet hook?
Dec 08 19:22:49 <KotCzarny> crochet
Dec 08 19:23:29 <KotCzarny> but it might be too big
Dec 08 19:23:50 <Airwave> That looks smart, if I could find a small, thin one.
Dec 08 19:24:12 <KotCzarny> you may also try to make a hook on the wire 
Dec 08 19:24:44 <Airwave> I'll try to pick up a crochet hook tomorrow together with a sewing needle, a match, and some superglue.
Dec 08 19:27:50 <KotCzarny> but, its only the cotton part of the qtip or with plastic?
Dec 08 19:27:56 <Sicelo> Airwave: meat needle .. meant 'toothpick' ... shows you DocScrutinizer51 is weird :p
Dec 08 19:28:26 <KotCzarny> sicelo, mind you doc is from .de, might be literal translation :P
Dec 08 19:28:26 <Airwave> KotCzarny: Only the cotton.
Dec 08 19:28:59 <KotCzarny> airwave, then long wire with a bit on the end should be enough, and a good light source
Dec 08 19:29:23 <DocScrutinizer51> Sicelo: I don"t think you put your shashlik meat pieces on a tootpick
Dec 08 19:29:28 <KotCzarny> i mean long wire with a hook on the end
Dec 08 19:29:48 <Sicelo> i don't know what q-tip is, but seriously .. just open up the device
Dec 08 19:29:51 <Airwave> But a toothpick is smooth.
Dec 08 19:30:14 <KotCzarny> sicelo, piece of plastic with a bit of cotton at the ebd
Dec 08 19:30:21 <Airwave> Sicelo: A cotton swab, like one might use to clean one's ears.
Dec 08 19:30:27 <Sicelo> ah .. i get it now :)
Dec 08 19:30:43 <Sicelo> so the cotton was left inside?
Dec 08 19:30:47 <Airwave> KotCzarny: A good light source? What am I, mining for coal?
Dec 08 19:31:15 <Airwave> Sicelo: Yes. I tried cleaning the slot with a q-tip, and when pulling it out, the tip was stuck.
Dec 08 19:32:10 <KotCzarny> airwave, i think there is a mechanism that holds the stylus inside
Dec 08 19:32:24 <Airwave> Yeah. I didn't think of that.
Dec 08 19:32:38 <Airwave> I should have thought of it though, because it was pretty difficult to get it.
Dec 08 19:32:40 <Airwave> get in*
Dec 08 19:34:13 <KotCzarny> actually if its true it might be the reason why cotton stayed inside
Dec 08 19:34:28 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: thx for info, will look when I get some time off work... :)
Dec 08 19:34:41 <KotCzarny> wizzup, the m3 review one is really fun to read
Dec 08 19:55:49 <DocScrutinizer51> Airwave: there are two spring loded latches that hold the stylus in bay. Take care to not bend or break them when pulling out the wadding ball! When pulling out is hard, don't use force but rather push in a bit and twist the wooden needle a few more turns, to unentange wadding from latch
Dec 08 19:57:45 <KotCzarny> another (stupid) idea would be setting cotton on fire, he he
Dec 08 19:58:21 <Airwave> DocScrutinizer51: In that case, I'm worried that I already broke it. I used a lot of force when trying to get it out, which is what caused the tip of the q-tip to break off.
Dec 08 19:58:37 <Airwave> Fuck, it's probably already broke. I should just throw it out.
Dec 08 19:58:42 <KotCzarny> airwave, there is still hope
Dec 08 19:59:08 <KotCzarny> and no, n900 has resistive screen, which means its perfectly usable without the stylus
Dec 08 19:59:29 <KotCzarny> or if you prefer keeping stylus just use a bit of string and hang it from the device
Dec 08 20:00:14 <DocScrutinizer51> you should stop saying such provocant stuff and rather consider to disassemble device. fixing and bent springs is peetty easy then
Dec 08 20:00:40 <Airwave> Sorry, I'm just upset.
Dec 08 20:00:54 <Airwave> Just letting off some steam because I just bought this thing last week.
Dec 08 20:02:01 <DocScrutinizer51> the stylus is the least important part of whole device. Literally
Dec 08 20:04:20 <KotCzarny> airwave, also, remember that you can have replacement case dirt cheap, just buy n900 with broken modem/usb and swap
Dec 08 20:04:28 <KotCzarny> (that's the worst case scenario)
Dec 08 20:05:13 <Airwave> Thanks for the tips and consolation guys.
Dec 08 20:05:49 <KotCzarny> also, for 6 years i never, not even once cleaned my n900
Dec 08 20:06:01 <KotCzarny> so dont overdo yours
Dec 08 20:08:26 <Airwave> But I keep it in my pocket and touch the phone all day. Kind of gross to not clean it.
Dec 08 20:08:37 <Airwave> Especially since I bought it used.
Dec 08 20:08:47 <KotCzarny> buy a protective case and screen protector
Dec 08 20:09:00 <KotCzarny> uv cleaning should be enough
Dec 08 20:09:54 <jonwil> hi
Dec 08 20:12:36 <KotCzarny> wizzup, this post nicely sums up the banana brand (or in other words lemaker/sinovoip): http://forum.armbian.com/index.php/topic/311-quick-review-of-lemakers-guitar/#entry2682
Dec 08 20:13:55 <KotCzarny> i think similar case with nokia and n900, they had community, and that's the best asset one can have
Dec 08 20:16:47 <bencoh> I never disassembled it (in almost 2 years) but I do clean it with alcohol
Dec 08 20:17:23 <bencoh> (every surface in hand's reach apart from cam lens)
Dec 08 20:18:17 <KotCzarny> for cam lenst just take off the backcover?
Dec 08 20:19:21 <bencoh> you dont really want to clean the cam lens :)
Dec 08 20:19:27 <KotCzarny> :)
Dec 08 20:20:12 <bencoh> (actually I did swab it gently once, and I'm quite sure I added a few hot pixels)
Dec 08 20:25:22 <KotCzarny> wizzup: another contender: http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/10/15/turris-omnia-is-a-feature-packed-openwrt-router-board-powered-by-marvell-armada-385-processor/
Dec 08 20:41:26 <DocScrutinizer51> bencoh: what you can touch under the battery cover is not exactly the cam lens, it's just a transparent window in plastic case which is absolutely immune to any touching/cleaning
Dec 08 20:51:14 <jonwil> how is it that hal-device bme reports a much lower current charge level than bq27200.sh?
Dec 08 20:51:27 <jonwil> bq says current charge is 2044
Dec 08 20:51:42 <jonwil> but bme says its 1124 or so
Dec 08 20:55:06 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer51: isn't it quite close to the actual lens?
Dec 08 20:57:23 <DocScrutinizer51> jonwil: bme doesn't use bq27k
Dec 08 20:57:48 <jonwil> yeah so BME has its own ideas of the actual capacity of the battery
Dec 08 20:58:21 <DocScrutinizer51> bencoh: well, not THAT close
Dec 08 21:01:16 <bencoh> mmmhkay, good to know
Dec 08 21:01:31 <bencoh> what do you use to clean it?
Dec 08 21:28:48 <DocScrutinizer51> microfibre cloth
Dec 08 21:29:20 <DocScrutinizer51> or whatever your favorite for glasses cleaning
Dec 08 21:39:42 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer51: err... I dont think my tshirt would be a good choice :D
Dec 08 21:39:59 <bencoh> (seriously, is there such a thing as a "glass cleaner"? :D)
Dec 08 21:57:33 <DocScrutinizer51> google 'brillenputztuch'
Dec 08 22:04:09 <DocScrutinizer51> generally recommended for cleaning aall N900 surfaces
Dec 08 22:06:02 <DocScrutinizer51> tough actually it's maybe not the best choice for cleaning the keyboard. Microfibre is amazingly abreassive to varnish like on kbd keys
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