**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 09 03:00:26 2015 Dec 09 05:21:08 bencoh, anything that doesnt scratch and doesnt melt plastic/glass is good for cleaning cam piece Dec 09 08:56:02 moin ;) Dec 09 16:10:12 Follow-up to yesterday's q-tip trouble: I bought some tools today, and I managed to get the cotton out using a sewing needle. No springs appear to be broken either; the stylus stays in place when I put it in the slot. Dec 09 16:10:18 Thanks for giving me helpful tips and cheering me up guys. Dec 09 16:10:39 :) Dec 09 16:13:13 :) Dec 09 16:13:19 playing with N9 again .. already unhappy with lack of hwkbd. never thought hwkbd would be this addictive :/ Dec 09 16:13:26 or should i say, productive Dec 09 16:13:47 I'm not sure it's that productive Dec 09 16:14:05 some people can type very quickly with onscreen touch kbd Dec 09 16:14:15 maybe got to learn Dec 09 16:14:16 maybe faster than me on n900 Dec 09 16:14:29 (probably not faster than me on a real computer keyboard, but I'm not even certain of that) Dec 09 16:14:50 just an 'apt-cache search' on N9 is verrry painful for me. Dec 09 16:15:13 same for me, especially on a capacitive touchscreen Dec 09 16:15:31 (actually that'd be my main issue) Dec 09 16:16:48 i'm just imagining myself now IRC'ing from N9 Dec 09 16:42:28 its not what it was made for Dec 09 16:54:25 made for? Dec 09 16:57:21 swiping Dec 09 17:05:33 some swype type vkb would probably work best Dec 09 17:18:25 there is Dec 09 17:20:46 But it is also a bit of a nightmare, although there is some improvement. Dec 09 17:21:45 i guess n9 screen size is also a factor in this Dec 09 17:25:30 it's a great device.don't get me wrong Dec 09 17:31:41 I never liked N9 Dec 09 17:32:41 neither the GUI paradigm nor the capacitive screen at large Dec 09 17:36:00 there are a _few_ gestures I adopted amazingly fast and thoroughly, like swipe down to close a window Dec 09 17:36:01 took my 30 minutes to readjust my habits back to N900 after using N9 for a few days Dec 09 17:36:01 but even during those initial 30min the N900 felt like big delight after N9 Dec 09 17:36:15 took my 30 minutes to readjust my habits back to N900 after using N9 for a few days Dec 09 17:36:21 but even during those initial 30min the N900 felt like big delight after N9 Dec 09 17:36:25 YMMV Dec 09 17:38:16 ~botsnack Dec 09 17:38:24 ohmy Dec 09 17:40:46 povbot: seen seen Dec 09 17:40:47 DocScrutinizer51: (seen seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. Dec 09 18:41:38 help please: is there documentation regarding the available kernels? i see we have a couple of *cssu1.x ones, and the familiar kp. not so sure now which is which Dec 09 20:16:59 hi Dec 09 20:21:26 hi jonwil Dec 09 20:28:39 1 directory. 23 files. Same format. mediainfo reads all of them, tracker only reads 10 of them. What is it, not-enough-space haggery again? Dec 09 20:29:06 what's mediainfo? Dec 09 20:30:12 i see it now Dec 09 20:31:41 Oksanaa: what programs are 'willing' to get the information mediainfo collects? Dec 09 20:31:51 s/get/use/ Dec 09 20:33:01 and that's why i hate all those mediatrackers Dec 09 20:39:29 tracker is a fuckup Dec 09 21:03:07 on N900, or in general? Dec 09 21:10:58 mds (spotlight metadata server/tracker) on osx isn't any better :) Dec 09 21:11:26 (computer has more ram and better IOs so it feels a bit less intrusive, but still) Dec 09 21:20:48 what is it for anyway? Dec 09 21:21:52 what, mds? same as trackerd Dec 09 21:23:02 except it's not used for media applications only but for pretty much every search operation powered by the os saerch engine Dec 09 21:23:15 (including spotlight or Mail search for instance) Dec 09 21:24:31 in other words, nothing useful Dec 09 21:27:55 well, stopping it prevents the mail client or the finder to work properly, but apart from that ... yes :] Dec 09 21:43:35 trackers indexes email-contents, too. Not sure what app uses this indexing, though... Dec 09 21:43:49 trackerd* indexes... Dec 09 21:44:49 libflite1 is not optified. 9.7MB of rootfs Dec 09 21:45:43 ouch Dec 09 21:47:18 Anybody cares to move its libflite*.so* files out of /usr/lib ? Should be easy, but I am rusty with packaging Dec 09 21:50:16 It seems there will have to be links from /usr/lib to /opt/usr/lib, unless it's explained to flite executable where the libraries were moved (and that sounds tedious) Dec 09 21:50:36 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs :) Dec 09 21:50:41 wouldnt it require being a maintainer for that package? Dec 09 21:50:46 The Autobuilder supports automatic optification of submitted packages via maemo-optify. It is triggered by the file "debian/optify", as described in the README. Dec 09 21:51:34 KotCzarny: I'm afraid so.... but oksana could just request maintainership and kindly ask an admin to accept it :) Dec 09 21:51:41 :) Dec 09 21:53:29 Would I be able to submit optified package to Extras-devel without requesting maintainership? Dec 09 22:09:43 not sure Dec 09 23:05:46 Oksana: yes Dec 09 23:06:55 Oksana: a flaw in the repo etc design Dec 09 23:07:41 once you got upload rights, you can uploadl whatever you want Dec 09 23:08:45 however you're not supposed to upload stuf you don't have maintainer permissions for Dec 09 23:08:45 Hmm, in this case it allows to test workability of modification before requesting maintainership Dec 09 23:09:30 huh? Dec 09 23:10:00 you shouldn't upload 'test' packages even to devel repo Dec 09 23:10:06 Optification of libflite1, 9+MB within rootfs Dec 09 23:10:30 Should be simple, just haven't packaged anything for a long time Dec 09 23:11:05 Not a system package, just an alternative to espeak Dec 09 23:12:20 And by the way, tracker started working once I cleared up rootfs a bit. Which is a tad weird, given that databases are stored in /home partition, right? Dec 09 23:13:55 But anyway, trackerd in this case acts as a canary, warning me of potential rootfs problems before they break the device Dec 09 23:16:18 (wierd?) right Dec 09 23:18:52 low rootfs space causes all sorts of weird things. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 10 02:59:59 2015