**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 06 02:59:58 2016 Jan 06 03:36:21 brolin_empey: right, I forgot there's legacy stuff like that Jan 06 03:47:38 svetlana: I live in the Confederated Provinces and Territories of (North) America AKA (Socialist) Canuckistan. Jan 06 03:48:52 I think you can fill it in if you live outside of EU actually, I just don't know whether they're going to care as much Jan 06 03:52:16 AKA the Constitutional Monarchy of Canada, previously the Dominion of Canada until 1982. Jan 06 04:04:46 DocScrutinizer05: Forgetting about legacy stuff and still using a Nokia N900 in year 2016 is a surprising combination. ;-) Jan 06 04:08:31 hey, I also use quite up-to-date stuff too Jan 06 04:10:10 DocScrutinizer05: I like the quotation of Oscar Wilde: “It is only the modern that becomes old-fashioned.” Jan 06 04:17:14 funny and cheerfull to answer questions of http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1493827&postcount=2746 Jan 06 05:03:47 \o/ twitter msg length 10k char. And mad dog North Korea allegedly has tested H-bomb. Heck this is a great day in histroy Jan 06 08:45:04 hi Jan 06 09:06:03 had to reboot to get my device to find phone network again. What else could i have done beside reboot? Jan 06 09:06:24 turn on plane mode? Jan 06 09:06:29 beside=instead Jan 06 09:06:50 right! Jan 06 09:06:52 sometimes sim/chip reseats itself and its enough to turn modem off/on Jan 06 09:07:03 that didn't even cross my mind Jan 06 09:07:12 powerkey menu much? Jan 06 09:07:33 come again? Jan 06 09:07:49 just paraphrasing some meme Jan 06 09:08:09 or you meant flight mode can be found there Jan 06 09:08:22 that too Jan 06 09:08:36 :) Jan 06 09:08:53 explaining the thought train: if you use powerkey menu more often you would remmeber the options you had in there Jan 06 09:08:56 oh well my phone has been acting few weeks now Jan 06 09:09:18 it loses network and finds it again soon Jan 06 09:09:38 reseat sim? Jan 06 09:10:00 yes and since i rarely reboot that didn't even come to mind Jan 06 09:10:14 i did that at summer Jan 06 09:10:24 also cleaned sim contacts Jan 06 09:10:56 and put small piece of tape to add more pressure there Jan 06 09:11:17 to squeeze at the best spot :) Jan 06 09:11:22 too much of the tape and it could made things worse Jan 06 09:11:30 if your modem starts unsoldering Jan 06 09:11:45 it's only one layer of electric tape Jan 06 09:12:02 dunno if it even makes any pressure Jan 06 09:12:14 electrician* Jan 06 09:13:01 but thx for the hint now i gtg Jan 06 09:13:04 :) Jan 06 09:26:01 which is the right procedure when changing battery? Jan 06 09:26:12 1/ turn off the device Jan 06 09:26:18 2/ take out old battery Jan 06 09:26:22 3/ put in new one Jan 06 09:26:26 4/ turn on the device Jan 06 09:26:29 done Jan 06 09:26:36 :P Jan 06 09:26:45 full charge and calibration by slowly discharging? Jan 06 09:27:19 if you meant calibration then suck it dry, full charge, suck it dry again (regular/low use) Jan 06 09:27:35 capacity should stabilize after few cycles Jan 06 09:27:51 ok! Jan 06 09:28:16 unless you were talking about the bq27xx calibration Jan 06 09:28:28 which has nothing to do with any battery cleaning / cycle Jan 06 09:28:50 i don't know what i'm talking about, i want it to work as best as possible Jan 06 09:29:20 i would just use it Jan 06 09:30:36 ceene: do you use stock bme or pali's bme replacement? Jan 06 09:30:48 pali's one Jan 06 09:31:09 then you need to go through calibration of the bq27xx Jan 06 09:31:32 which mean full charge / discharge Jan 06 09:31:41 (dont let it die though) Jan 06 09:31:59 ok, i think i've done that before Jan 06 09:32:24 bencoh, i've read that its not important keeping it alive, just doing low mA discharge Jan 06 09:32:28 use the bq27*.sh script to keep an eye on the chip registers and the battery voltage/level/drawed current Jan 06 09:32:31 drawn* Jan 06 09:33:15 KotCzarny: if you dont mind messing your FAT, sure, it's not important :) Jan 06 09:33:34 :) Jan 06 09:34:11 i dont mind, i keep mostly mp3s there Jan 06 09:34:50 i can always umount sdcard Jan 06 09:35:19 emmc too, but yeah, I guess you could Jan 06 09:35:37 (MyDocs) Jan 06 10:00:55 i think that fiddling with those bq27 scripts is no longer needed with bme-replacement Jan 06 10:01:11 at least i didn't have to use them anymore Jan 06 10:01:27 tho it took awhile to get mugen calibrated Jan 06 10:02:32 also i thought that device shuts down before it actually runs out of juice completely Jan 06 10:02:39 to power down safely Jan 06 10:02:43 how did you check status? Jan 06 10:02:55 yes, close to 3250mV or something Jan 06 10:03:07 i didn't havfe to. I just used it till it powered down Jan 06 10:03:22 3248 to be precice ;) Jan 06 10:03:23 but during shutdown power surge makes it insta turn off, could happen in a middle of the write Jan 06 10:03:29 stock bme powers down, but way too early. I don't know about bme-replacement Jan 06 10:04:05 yes with stock u needed scripts, but replacement is smarter or something Jan 06 10:04:14 cool Jan 06 10:05:03 and im speaking of bme-replacement from separate repo Jan 06 10:07:42 Sicelo: did u know that maemo pidgin has purple plugin also? I thought of maybe it could work just by copying libfacebook.so from desktop pidgin to maemo. Jan 06 10:07:59 you cant copy binary files Jan 06 10:08:07 you wil lhave to recompile it Jan 06 10:08:13 :( Jan 06 10:08:47 yes : Jan 06 10:08:50 :) Jan 06 10:09:19 Vajb: by the way this is in connection with? because 'purple' *is* pidgin Jan 06 10:09:54 ah, i see .. facebook .. you would need to compile the new pidgin plugin, which does work (presents itself to facebook as web app) Jan 06 10:09:57 no? Jan 06 10:10:25 there is pidgin-purple plugin or smth like that Jan 06 10:10:36 or purple-pidgin Jan 06 10:10:41 libpurple is the name of the pidgin core Jan 06 10:11:01 ok Jan 06 10:11:42 but anyways maemo pidgin has facebook (xmmp) and facebook after installing that Jan 06 10:11:55 problem is it doens't work still Jan 06 10:11:57 https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook that one ? Jan 06 10:12:02 doesn't* Jan 06 10:12:08 yes Jan 06 10:12:13 Vajb: pidgin in maemo is probably quite outdated Jan 06 10:12:32 not too bad :) Jan 06 10:12:34 I dunno if this purple-facebook plugin is still API-compatible with our pidgin version though Jan 06 10:13:05 i guess it is Jan 06 10:13:17 outdated :) Jan 06 10:13:29 no idea if it's compatible Jan 06 10:13:57 compare libpurple versions Jan 06 10:14:28 but as noted earlier battery lasts longer without facebook xmmp running... Jan 06 10:17:45 ;) Jan 06 10:17:55 it's either features or idle Jan 06 10:27:42 problem with it is, that i used it while it worked... Jan 06 10:27:57 guess that'll have to eat some juice :) Jan 06 10:29:38 3248mV should not shutdown device. 3000mV or just a bit higher Jan 06 10:32:56 Vajb: when N900 doesn't see network, and you've tried all else KotCzarny suggested, do '#pnatd' AT+CFUN=0 (courtesy DocScrutinizer05). works all the time for me. no reboot Jan 06 10:44:43 as root or user? Jan 06 10:45:35 # ;) Jan 06 10:46:50 there is no stupid questinons ;) Jan 06 10:47:11 of course, friend Jan 06 10:47:58 < Sicelo> Vajb: by the way this is in connection with? Jan 06 10:48:02 < Sicelo> ah, i see .. facebook Jan 06 10:48:05 :) Jan 06 10:52:26 :] Jan 06 10:53:03 btw, read https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/wiki Jan 06 10:53:54 I wonder if it would play nice with haze (telepathy/purple bridge) Jan 06 11:01:20 maemo is running telepathy-haze 0.3.5 (2010-06-21).... pretty old Jan 06 11:02:03 and telepathy-glib 0.8.1 (oO) Jan 06 11:03:02 strange, telepathy-haze says that telepathy-glib>=0.9.2 is required for 0.3.5 to work... Jan 06 11:03:27 good luck to the one willing to dive into this Jan 06 11:04:24 we probably cant update telepathy-glib since closed apps (hello phone features) depend on it, unless they kept ABI (which I doubt) Jan 06 11:17:45 bencoh: so identify apps and open them up :) Jan 06 11:21:56 if somebody wants Nokia N810 for free, I'll give it away. My heart bleeds when I think about just throwing it away. Near mint condition. Jan 06 11:22:16 What is your location? Jan 06 11:23:03 i wish South Africa :) Jan 06 11:23:16 Finland. I can post it, but I'm not paying for postage. Jan 06 11:23:44 I am remotely interested (amsterdam, NL), but I feel that other people may deserve it more / have more use for it Jan 06 11:24:04 I'm willing to pay for post, if you're going to bin it otherwise - but let's see if others have more need Jan 06 11:24:39 For Amsterdam I may find somebody who goes there soon. Jan 06 11:26:35 * Sicelo009N interested ... too far though :( Jan 06 11:30:29 alexey: well, I'd like to wait a bit to see what others want -- but otherwise I am interested. I not sure how long you will be on? I can provide my email to have more latency-robust comms. Again - don't mind to see if someone else wants it instead. Jan 06 11:30:40 Sicelo009N: you could check for the postage fees Jan 06 11:31:19 Wizzup: I'm running IRC in screen on a hosted server, so no reason to leave before the final decision is made. Jan 06 11:31:26 ack Jan 06 11:31:38 * Wizzup does something similar Jan 06 11:38:33 i seem to suck at using dhl webste :D Jan 06 11:39:24 i'm getting 150-200EUR which is kinda :O Jan 06 11:56:28 dhl website suck anyway Jan 06 12:03:30 i wouldnt mind n810 Jan 06 12:03:56 but i have n800 already, so if wizzup doesnt own it he should get it Jan 06 12:10:27 wow Jan 06 12:10:53 ups shows ~250eur for shipping finland -> south africa Jan 06 12:10:58 KotCzarny: if you want it, go for it. Jan 06 12:11:07 KotCzarny: makes you wonder how the chinese do it :) Jan 06 12:11:16 wizzup, bulk Jan 06 12:12:32 sicelo, ups shown ~250eur for that package, crazy Jan 06 12:12:38 yeah. i saw Jan 06 12:12:49 i was on that page too. sucks Jan 06 12:13:23 lets go google Jan 06 12:13:55 dhl was roughly same range Jan 06 12:15:20 tnt express shown ~33gbp Jan 06 12:16:20 ups express saver shipping is ~37gbp Jan 06 12:16:52 http://www.transglobalexpress.co.uk/quote/quote/ Jan 06 12:17:01 dont know how legit is that site though Jan 06 12:18:31 hmm how much is flight to there... Temps here are so harsh that i would as well bring it lol Jan 06 12:18:33 i'm in the bushes, haha. stone age. alexey, you can count me out. sd, but fair Jan 06 12:29:33 you might want to post on TMO :) Jan 06 12:32:12 make a contest about 'app for n8x0' and put yours as a trophy Jan 06 12:32:22 o_O Jan 06 13:23:31 I'm too lazy to do that Jan 06 13:24:11 * alexey just found well-used but seemingly working N900 phone Jan 06 13:26:01 moving out? :) Jan 06 13:27:27 nope, just using free day (holiday in Finland today) to clean up the old stuff. Found 5 firewire cables, which puzzles me -- never owned anything that requires firewire Jan 06 13:28:34 usb+firewire disk enclosure? Jan 06 13:32:00 nope, using NASes. But maybe one or more of old NASes had firewire, that's a good point Jan 06 13:32:14 alexey: flash the n900 and add cssu? :) Jan 06 13:44:54 Okay, it seems to work, so my next offer: N900 phone, well-used but seemingly working, no accessories or box (but stylus and original headset are there) for free. Battery condition is, eghm, unknown. I can post from Finland but won't pay the postage. If nobody wants it, it goes to trash. Jan 06 13:51:29 alexey: leaving maemo? :/ Jan 06 13:54:09 alexey: I have more interest in the n900 than in the n810, still living in amsterdam :) Jan 06 13:54:21 have to dash for a bit. bbl. Jan 06 13:55:01 omg alexey Jan 06 13:55:10 :> Jan 06 13:55:40 I did leave Maemo years ago, at "N800 is almost ready" stage :) Jan 06 13:56:08 you did get n8x0 and n900 anyway? Jan 06 13:56:09 :) Jan 06 13:56:31 alexey, can you check how much is the shipping to poland? Jan 06 13:56:59 i guess wizzup will benefit from n900 more (i have 3.5 already) Jan 06 13:57:22 but n810 wouldnt be half bad too Jan 06 14:00:36 KotCzarny: I'll check tomorrow; I think one of my colleagues will travel to Poland in a month or two Jan 06 14:00:45 cool Jan 06 14:24:05 do we know if tv-out causes high power consumption? Jan 06 16:24:32 is there anything "better" to run on an n900? Jan 06 16:24:54 and is there a list of "best apps" that still work? Jan 06 16:24:55 fishbulb: the hackpack Jan 06 16:24:59 =) Jan 06 16:25:13 you have my interest... Jan 06 16:25:40 https://n900-hackers.org/ Jan 06 16:25:46 I dunno though, it's a dodo. I managed to crack wep once Jan 06 16:25:50 Enjoy =) Jan 06 16:26:06 it's so slow, I have an android tablet that's faster than my last computer Jan 06 16:26:23 what have you succeeded in doing? Jan 06 16:30:08 A whole lot with it. And now I have help, so even more. hackpack is based on PwnPhonev2 Jan 06 16:30:16 BUt it grew and matured from there. Jan 06 16:31:31 what kinda interesting or cool stuff have you managed to do with it? Jan 06 16:34:19 oscp of course Jan 06 16:37:03 fishbulb: Scroll down to the bottom of https://n900-hackers.org/hackpack/DIRECTIONS_1.0 and you'll see all the .debs it has Jan 06 16:37:20 fishbulb: It's a pentest distro for the n900 Jan 06 16:37:27 fishbulb: Easiest way i can describe it =) Jan 06 16:38:46 but have you done anything really cool? Jan 06 16:39:08 I had pwnphone installed and honestly I think I managed to crack WEP twice ever Jan 06 16:39:20 I mean pwnie express, and all that stuff Jan 06 16:42:37 yeah Jan 06 16:42:46 hackpack is way better than pwnphone Jan 06 16:42:51 A lot more mature so to speak Jan 06 16:42:59 v2 was cool and all, but hackpack destroys it performance wise Jan 06 16:54:49 ok but can you give a real world example of something interesting to do with it? Jan 06 16:55:20 you can leave out the specifics if you want :P Jan 06 16:55:39 I'm interested to see what someone has done with it Jan 06 16:57:01 It's metasploit in your pocket? Jan 06 16:57:11 and the things i have done with it, I am under NDA Jan 06 16:57:23 I'll leave it, that I actually use it on assessments Jan 06 16:57:29 It runs airpwn-ng Jan 06 16:58:10 doesnt' any android phone or tablet do the same, but with 2gb of ram and a quadcore processor? Jan 06 16:59:07 not sure you can use the monitor mode of your wireless interface, or inject packets, with an android phone Jan 06 16:59:20 ^ Jan 06 16:59:26 And that's why i use an n900 Jan 06 16:59:29 I'm just a dude on a phone Jan 06 16:59:38 with the stupid tablet, you're some weirdo doing something bad Jan 06 16:59:44 plus... It's linux. Jan 06 16:59:55 What I do on the n900, can be ported to a pi Jan 06 17:00:32 I still think most of your work could go to extra, but meh, btw Jan 06 17:00:48 bencoh: It can't Jan 06 17:00:54 bencoh: I don't optimize Jan 06 17:00:56 I refuse to Jan 06 17:01:04 i.e. My root is about 9gb Jan 06 17:01:08 maemo is 256mb Jan 06 17:01:11 ... Jan 06 17:01:30 you refuse to optimise and you refuse to check whether modern phones can do the same thing literlaly 100 times faster? Jan 06 17:01:32 my debs would overflow anybodies n900 Jan 06 17:01:38 fishbulb: Modern phones cannot Jan 06 17:01:43 [root@lamobo 18:01:30 ~]# df -h Jan 06 17:01:49 /dev/root 1.8G 1.2G 542M 69% / Jan 06 17:01:51 fishbulb: No other phone can do what the n900 can do with their wifi Jan 06 17:01:59 yes they can, look at nethunter Jan 06 17:02:04 stryngs: not if you just enable a flag in your source package and push it to extras as a source package Jan 06 17:02:04 fishbulb: No they cant Jan 06 17:02:05 my router/nas/cloud/shell/audio box Jan 06 17:02:08 but nevermind Jan 06 17:02:10 fishbulb: Not without an external dongle Jan 06 17:02:44 bencoh: I also build natively, and so the .debs aren't "debian proper". Theres a host of reasons why it'll always be incompatible. Jan 06 17:02:57 bencoh: The way I look at it, if people want to use it, go for it. If not, oh well =) Jan 06 17:03:33 fishbulb: Not hating on nethunter, but until they figure out monitor mode for it, i'm not interested. Jan 06 17:03:55 fishbulb: Especially with the advent of the neo900, whenever that happens.... Jan 06 17:04:00 * stryngs pokes DocScrutinizer05 Jan 06 17:27:04 stryngs: 9gb root? Jan 06 17:27:20 I have full desktop installs that aren't 9gb Jan 06 17:27:26 what on earth? Jan 06 17:28:00 it's awesome that you've kept something going, and I love seeing anything to do with the n900 Jan 06 17:28:49 and it's beyond my linux skills, but why refuse to optimise? Jan 06 17:46:12 Sicelo: ((do we know if tv-out causes high power consumption?)) shouldn't Jan 06 18:00:25 lost network again Jan 06 18:00:44 tried Sicelo's hint, but got nowhere Jan 06 18:01:01 also when i tried manually join to my network it said not allowed Jan 06 18:01:12 hmm Jan 06 18:01:20 but reboot fixed it? Jan 06 18:01:28 but KotCzarny's succestion to flight mode and back fixed it Jan 06 18:01:32 :) Jan 06 18:02:01 i think enabling plane mode turns off/resets modem chip Jan 06 18:02:05 i might be wrong tho Jan 06 18:02:08 sicelo's solution gave me no such folder error Jan 06 18:02:24 i guess it turns it off Jan 06 18:02:31 um, that AT command is to be ran in pnatd shell Jan 06 18:02:32 since it's for flight Jan 06 18:02:53 i guess i don't know how to use it :p Jan 06 18:02:54 ie. go root, then start: pnatd Jan 06 18:03:04 there you should enter string beginning with AT Jan 06 18:03:08 yes i got there Jan 06 18:03:21 and it said error no such folder Jan 06 18:03:26 typo? Jan 06 18:03:37 copy paste so hardly Jan 06 18:03:46 typo on sicelo's side? Jan 06 18:04:07 AT+CFUN=0 Jan 06 18:04:18 that's what i got Jan 06 18:04:48 at+gmr Jan 06 18:05:18 at+COPS=? (yes, with ? at the end) Jan 06 18:05:59 lets see Jan 06 18:07:03 when i've had the issue, it was never 'solvable' by online->offline->online Jan 06 18:07:08 works Jan 06 18:07:33 but at+cfun=0 has always worked 100%. maybe we have different root causes Jan 06 18:07:50 vajb: at+cfun=? or at+cfun Jan 06 18:07:50 and it's not typo :) Jan 06 18:08:21 at+cfun=? says ok Jan 06 18:08:38 at+gmr gives some info about device Jan 06 18:08:52 you may also try: https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Enable_cellular_radio Jan 06 18:08:54 eeek Jan 06 18:09:08 at+cops=? says ok Jan 06 18:09:45 at+cfun=0 .. response will be OK, then shortly you will see the sim card crossed out symbol, and the terminal will no longer respond. few seconds later the Jan 06 18:09:47 well as longer as flight mode thing makes it work im ok Jan 06 18:09:47 bot those dbus commands essentially do the same as powerkey thingy Jan 06 18:10:19 modem should power up again Jan 06 18:10:40 definitely a deeper cycle than offline->online Jan 06 18:11:14 well, i wonder what 'offline' mode in powerkey menu does Jan 06 18:11:50 ok will try that again if and when that happens again Jan 06 18:12:31 any thoughts of why it found my home network, but said not allowed when i tried to connect? Jan 06 18:12:38 offline disables the modem. but not power-cycle it. SIM never 'disappears' Jan 06 18:13:13 vajb, maybe some roaming? Jan 06 18:13:13 actually i saw crossed sim symbol after i enabled online mode Jan 06 18:13:26 roaming? Jan 06 18:13:30 is it possible that there is some interference in your area? Jan 06 18:13:38 im at home country Jan 06 18:13:38 work done on the towers? Jan 06 18:13:49 vajb: inter operatora roaming Jan 06 18:14:05 no such folder? Jan 06 18:14:11 then something's wrong on your N900. in all my time of ownership , never once had sim crossed out for Offline mode :) Jan 06 18:14:36 well there is almost -30. So maybe that does some funky business with towers Jan 06 18:14:44 yeah, for offline mode it shows '/G' Jan 06 18:15:08 but otherwise no idea Jan 06 18:15:38 KotCzarny: you can actually test AT+CFUN yourself right now. no harm Jan 06 18:15:38 hmm could it be that that command actually worked without me realising it? Jan 06 18:16:04 i ran it and it whine then i closed terminal and did flight mode trick Jan 06 18:16:10 sicelo, i know what cfun does (roughly) Jan 06 18:16:25 i had my share of fun with 33.6k Jan 06 18:16:35 and later with usb modems Jan 06 18:17:06 ok Jan 06 18:17:07 vajb: trick is to run at+cfun=1 later to reenable Jan 06 18:17:25 nop. it reenables itself :) Jan 06 18:17:29 oh Jan 06 18:17:48 takes a little bit, maybe 10-20s Jan 06 18:17:49 well i don't know what happened then Jan 06 18:17:59 atleast im back online Jan 06 18:18:19 :) Jan 06 18:18:30 welcome back then ;) Jan 06 18:18:44 thx :) Jan 06 18:19:17 i don't know what i do if this puppy dies Jan 06 18:19:30 grab the n900 from anthonov Jan 06 18:19:32 ;) Jan 06 18:19:41 if wizzup doesnt snatch it earlier Jan 06 18:19:54 guess i'll just switch back to my reliable e90 heheh Jan 06 18:20:10 tho it needs screen replacement Jan 06 18:20:31 s/antonov/alexey/ Jan 06 18:20:53 oh yes Jan 06 18:21:10 where in finland you live alexey? Jan 06 18:21:11 you are in fi, he too Jan 06 18:21:48 yeah Jan 06 18:21:49 you can then send your failing n900 to wizzup for a development device Jan 06 18:22:41 hmm is it reliable enough for that? Jan 06 18:22:51 sure, its only modem failing Jan 06 18:23:03 i have that other which reboots randomly too Jan 06 18:23:04 and i bet he could use a device for package testing etc Jan 06 18:23:14 fishbulb: 9gb /. Its the way maemo is laid out. Typically your / is mounted on the 256mb NAND. I did some binds to avoid most of this Jan 06 18:23:41 i can try that with fresh flash and stuff if this refuses to connect completely Jan 06 18:37:49 ~optification Jan 06 18:37:50 optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the systeminit *and* partitioning is FUBAR, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish they looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 dot3" Jan 06 18:38:39 +1 for FUBAR Jan 06 18:39:45 ^^ Jan 06 18:43:16 the nice thing for a 5+ years old system, still maintained. There's 95% you'll see a "been there done that" sign when you go there Jan 06 18:44:03 Yup Jan 06 18:44:05 n900 is king Jan 06 18:44:11 Viva la n900 Jan 06 18:44:12 actually I'm pretty sure some users even did a correct setup, moving complete /usr to eMMC and bindmounting it Jan 06 18:44:42 one cant move complete /usr without init hacking Jan 06 18:44:43 alas this will collide with all 'normal' maemo packages Jan 06 18:44:50 ^ Jan 06 18:44:52 Yup Jan 06 18:45:07 I'm not sure it would collide so much actually Jan 06 18:45:15 you first need to un-optify them before they could benefit from a proper /usr setup Jan 06 18:45:20 bencoh, there is some stuff required for boot in /usr Jan 06 18:45:59 DocScrutinizer05: it wouldn't prevent optified packages from working... would it? Jan 06 18:46:09 but again you're lucky, there's a script for that on your stock maemo5 system Jan 06 18:46:23 bencoh: nope, should work Jan 06 18:47:02 i personally moved whole perl to /opt, threw away the bind mounts and just symlinked it Jan 06 18:47:39 With my crazy bindmounts, I use maemo packages like normal Jan 06 18:47:41 the probelm rather is: several packages should have been moved from /usr/bin/* to /bin/ by maemo distro maintainers Jan 06 18:48:42 maemo assumes /usr/(bin|lib|foo)/* being available during early boot, and that's the real brainfuck that finally led to optification Jan 06 18:48:42 yeah Jan 06 18:49:01 someone forgot to read HSF :° Jan 06 18:49:15 err, not hsf Jan 06 18:49:26 fhs Jan 06 18:49:29 FHS? Jan 06 18:49:29 tbh nand should be only used for emergency boot/kernels etc. and use emmc/sd for everything Jan 06 18:49:32 ^ Jan 06 18:50:02 maybe i should grab my dev n900 and finish what i started Jan 06 18:50:16 ? Jan 06 18:50:21 KotCzarny: ^ that would be? Jan 06 18:50:34 stryngs: moving all to emmc/sd Jan 06 18:50:41 everything? Jan 06 18:50:53 everything Jan 06 18:50:57 please do Jan 06 18:51:06 because really, 256M more or less on emmc? Jan 06 18:51:14 yeah... Jan 06 18:52:48 would be really great if fmg & pali manage to make mainline with gsm-voice kernel working Jan 06 18:53:16 you know what would be even better? Jan 06 18:53:19 neo900 =) Jan 06 18:53:24 * stryngs can't wait.. Jan 06 18:53:29 price is a killer for me Jan 06 18:53:33 I'll pay up Jan 06 18:53:36 unfortunatelly Jan 06 18:53:53 The price is high; but I'm willing to spend it. I love my n900 that much, and the lack of 802.11N sucks. Jan 06 18:54:04 1000eur is a price of a small car ;) Jan 06 18:54:12 True. Jan 06 18:54:25 But look at what dummies pay for G6 iphone6S etc.. Jan 06 18:54:43 never had a samsung or iphone Jan 06 18:54:56 they are just toys for gaming Jan 06 18:55:05 and youtube Jan 06 18:57:59 stryngs: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 Jan 06 19:01:44 hey Lennart, heard this? >>While you may have the root filesystem on a large partition, and may be able to fill it to your heart's content, there will be people with smaller partitions. If you have more files installed, you may find incompatibilities with other systems using root filesystems on smaller partitions. If you are a developer then you may be turning your assumption into a problem for a large number of users.<< Jan 06 19:03:00 :] Jan 06 19:06:41