**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 07 02:59:59 2016
Jan 07 09:00:45 <alexey> Wizzup: ok, thanks
Jan 07 09:14:56 <Sicelo> so i've changed pulseaudio logging level to info instead of notice. only higher level is debug, which i will use later if notice doesn't give me useful results
Jan 07 09:17:50 <Sicelo> right away .. no sound off earpiece :(
Jan 07 09:31:10 <Sicelo> hm, so paste.debian.net seems the 'only' pastebin that supports uploading a file.
Jan 07 09:32:27 <Sicelo> and of course, it's down right now
Jan 07 09:38:11 <KotCzarny> sicelo: transfer.sh also supports uploading
Jan 07 09:38:16 <Sicelo> http://paste.debian.net/361900/ <-- pulseaudio log durning call
Jan 07 09:38:46 <Sicelo> thanks KotCzarny. will keep it in mind :)
Jan 07 09:38:48 <KotCzarny> echo 123 | curl --post https://transfer.sh
Jan 07 09:38:50 <KotCzarny> or something
Jan 07 09:39:03 <KotCzarny> or just curl --upload-file somefile https://transfer.sh
Jan 07 09:39:52 <Wizzup> Sicelo: http://sprunge.us/iVMU
Jan 07 09:40:59 <Sicelo> nice. 
Jan 07 09:45:37 <Sicelo> not seeing anything 'useful' in that log. seems PA does at least attempt to activate & use earpiece 
Jan 07 09:50:42 <KotCzarny> sicelo, i assume this is the 'failed since the start' log, right?
Jan 07 09:51:07 <KotCzarny> if you restart & log again with working earpiece you may diff them
Jan 07 09:53:04 <Sicelo> weird enugh it works now, without any restart. grrr. i hate this
Jan 07 09:53:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 07 09:53:20 <KotCzarny> maaagic
Jan 07 12:10:08 <kerio> will the maemo.org web infra switch to letsencrypt certificates when the current startssl ones expire? :3
Jan 07 12:23:53 <zGrr> moin :)
Jan 07 16:22:58 <capitanocrunch> hello
Jan 07 16:24:42 <capitanocrunch> any expert in scratchbox ?
Jan 07 16:28:03 <capitanocrunch> navit team are trying to build navit for maemo via CircleCI
Jan 07 16:30:18 <capitanocrunch> this is the compilation output https://circleci.com/gh/navit-gps/navit/122
Jan 07 16:32:05 <capitanocrunch> it shows some error with sbox installation and config
Jan 07 16:38:07 <capitanocrunch> they are stuck. maybe someone knows how to fix it...
Jan 07 16:38:32 <bencoh> hmm, is that supposed to recreate a complete sb env for each build?
Jan 07 16:39:09 <capitanocrunch> it seems so...
Jan 07 16:39:32 <bencoh> cat > /scratchbox/users/ubuntu/home/ubuntu/setup.sh << EOF
Jan 07 16:39:39 <bencoh> + cat
Jan 07 16:39:40 <bencoh> make_navit: line 15: /scratchbox/users/ubuntu/home/ubuntu/setup.sh: No such file or directory
Jan 07 16:39:43 <bencoh> hmm...
Jan 07 16:41:15 <bencoh> I'd suggest they try to install sb on some vanilla debian/ubuntu first
Jan 07 16:41:23 <bencoh> and go from there
Jan 07 16:42:12 <capitanocrunch> yes
Jan 07 16:45:29 <capitanocrunch> btw any suggestions can be given here https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-169589078
Jan 07 16:48:23 <KotCzarny> capitanocrunch: there is sb virtual image
Jan 07 16:48:30 <KotCzarny> with sb and sdk preinstalled
Jan 07 16:52:00 <capitanocrunch> really? nice!
Jan 07 16:52:11 <capitanocrunch> more info?
Jan 07 16:53:10 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
Jan 07 16:53:27 <KotCzarny> file: Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z
Jan 07 16:54:42 <capitanocrunch> thank you
Jan 07 16:58:11 <bencoh> g/49
Jan 07 16:58:14 <bencoh> sigh
Jan 07 16:58:17 <bencoh> nevermind
Jan 07 17:00:59 <bencoh> oh btw, glib on maemo is to old for https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook to build
Jan 07 17:01:24 <bencoh> it needs glib>=2.28, and we're stuck with 2.20 (?), so we miss quite a few things
Jan 07 17:02:06 <bencoh> we also need a newer libjson-glib but I dont think updating this one would be an issue
Jan 07 17:02:41 <Wizzup> bencoh: stuck with => until the open source components rebuilds against the new version
Jan 07 17:02:46 <Wizzup> :)
Jan 07 17:03:16 <bencoh> glib is needed almost everywhere on maemo
Jan 07 17:03:37 <bencoh> especially by closed-source core apps
Jan 07 17:04:00 <bencoh> so unless it's ABI-compatible (hmm) ....
Jan 07 17:04:36 <Wizzup> bencoh: I don't know how many closed vital things there are on maemo still
Jan 07 17:04:41 <bencoh> http://abi-laboratory.pro/tracker/timeline/glib/
Jan 07 17:04:56 <bencoh> Wizzup: phone stuff, at least
Jan 07 17:04:57 <freemangordon1> the problem is that newer versions most probably have dependencies which cannot be easily satisfied
Jan 07 17:04:59 <Wizzup> bencoh: I would be surprised if the gnome people can make things abi compatible
Jan 07 17:05:18 <bencoh> freemangordon1: newer versions of glib? I think it should be fine
Jan 07 17:05:31 <bencoh> it might break old gtk which might pull newer stuff, though
Jan 07 17:05:47 <Wizzup> glib dependencies are not that small
Jan 07 17:05:50 <bencoh> err, break old gtk, so we'd need a new one, which would pull newer stuff
Jan 07 17:06:21 <bencoh> Wizzup: glib in itself isnt that bad (dependency-wise). not my favourite lib, but ...
Jan 07 17:06:31 <Wizzup> yeah the gentoo ebuild seems somewhat sane dep wise
Jan 07 17:07:20 <bencoh> ah, libffi, right. I forgot that one
Jan 07 17:07:27 <bencoh> ffi, pcre, zlib
Jan 07 17:08:05 <Wizzup> I think it has its own pcre
Jan 07 17:08:17 <bencoh> maybe
Jan 07 17:08:20 <Wizzup> how about libiconv?
Jan 07 17:08:28 <bencoh> what about libiconv?
Jan 07 17:08:32 <Wizzup> also a dep.
Jan 07 17:09:41 <bencoh> libiconv isn't shipped as a seperate package in debian derivatives
Jan 07 17:10:14 <bencoh> (nor is libiconv in a seperate lib)
Jan 07 17:12:55 <Wizzup> it is still versioned and a runtime dep
Jan 07 17:13:08 <Wizzup> or do you mean it is not on the system at all?
Jan 07 17:16:14 <bencoh> Wizzup: nm -D /lib/libc.so.6 |grep -i iconv
Jan 07 17:16:14 <bencoh> 000158c4 T iconv
Jan 07 17:16:14 <bencoh> 00015ab0 T iconv_close
Jan 07 17:16:14 <bencoh> 0001576c T iconv_open
Jan 07 17:17:31 <bencoh> Wizzup: read the description of https://packages.gentoo.org/packages/dev-libs/libiconv
Jan 07 17:18:37 <Wizzup> ack
Jan 07 17:20:08 <freemangordon1> bencoh: most probably it would require newer glibc ;)
Jan 07 17:20:33 <bencoh> freemangordon1: what, glib? why?
Jan 07 17:20:46 <freemangordon1> YAY, found the bugger that prevented modem working in 4.4 :D
Jan 07 17:20:51 <bencoh> woohoo
Jan 07 17:21:00 <Wizzup> freemangordon1: wooo!!!
Jan 07 17:21:25 <freemangordon1> bencoh: for the sake of it. I bat the ^^^ $package doesn't really require features for that glib version it requires
Jan 07 17:21:30 <freemangordon1> *bet
Jan 07 17:21:54 <Wizzup> freemangordon1: what was the issue?
Jan 07 17:22:12 <freemangordon1> Wizzup: 7866a621043fbaca3d7389e9b9f69dd1a2e5a855.
Jan 07 17:23:00 <bencoh> freemangordon1: unfortunately it does, at least for some gobject types definition
Jan 07 17:23:06 <bencoh> (G_TYPE_ERROR for instance)
Jan 07 17:23:45 <KotCzarny> hmm
Jan 07 17:23:47 <freemangordon1> you think this is in glib? it is rather in...ummm.what was the package name? glib-error?
Jan 07 17:23:55 <bencoh> gobject I think
Jan 07 17:23:58 <freemangordon1> and why am I freemangordon1?!?
Jan 07 17:24:13 <freemangordon> karramba!
Jan 07 17:24:43 <bencoh> anyway, grep -RIn G_TYPE_ERROR /usr/include/ says nothing
Jan 07 17:24:49 <KotCzarny> fmg: you know you can just use /nick ?
Jan 07 17:24:54 <freemangordon> you'd better as google
Jan 07 17:25:00 <freemangordon> *ask
Jan 07 17:25:10 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: no, as this nick is registered
Jan 07 17:25:16 <KotCzarny> fmg: nope
Jan 07 17:25:22 <freemangordon> it is
Jan 07 17:25:25 <KotCzarny> you dont need reconnecting
Jan 07 17:25:33 <bencoh> freemangordon: I did https://developer.gnome.org/gobject/stable/gobject-Boxed-Types.html#G-TYPE-ERROR:CAPS
Jan 07 17:25:37 <freemangordon> I know, but I have to provide password
Jan 07 17:26:06 <bencoh> you can query nickserv
Jan 07 17:26:20 <KotCzarny> anyway, old vs new libs, bencoh, there is an option of static compilation (i know, i know) and LD_LIBRARY_
Jan 07 17:26:25 <KotCzarny> PATH too)
Jan 07 17:26:30 <freemangordon> yes, but pidgin does all this for me when I reconnect :)
Jan 07 17:26:38 <bencoh> KotCzarny: *meh*, you already know :)
Jan 07 17:27:12 <KotCzarny> also, once i get home i will try updating glib/gtk on my testing device to see what stop working
Jan 07 17:27:13 <bencoh> anyway, I dont even own a fb account, so ...
Jan 07 17:27:15 <freemangordon> anyway, time to spit on the autor of 7866a621043fbaca3d7389e9b9f69dd1a2e5a855 on LKML
Jan 07 17:27:22 <bencoh> :D
Jan 07 17:27:44 <bencoh> add per net_device packet type chains ?
Jan 07 17:28:00 <bencoh> what's wrong with it?
Jan 07 17:28:07 <KotCzarny> The patch was originally written by Eric Biederman for linux-2.6.29.
Jan 07 17:28:08 <KotCzarny> Tested on linux-3.16.
Jan 07 17:28:28 <KotCzarny> bencoh, probably interface change
Jan 07 17:29:06 <freemangordon> bencoh: that http://pastebin.com/F8kN7Q5r
Jan 07 17:29:48 <KotCzarny> Process csd
Jan 07 17:29:55 <bencoh> oops
Jan 07 17:29:56 <freemangordon> yes
Jan 07 18:16:30 <bencoh> hmm, pali's not there
Jan 07 18:16:36 <bencoh> is that on purpose ?
Jan 07 18:16:37 <bencoh> +# CONFIG_EXT3_FS is not set                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
Jan 07 18:16:47 <KotCzarny> if ext4 is set then yes
Jan 07 18:16:55 <bencoh> it is ... okay
Jan 07 18:16:56 <freemangordon> :nod:
Jan 07 18:17:03 <bencoh> ext2 is still set though
Jan 07 18:17:12 <KotCzarny> waste of ram
Jan 07 20:42:57 <Sicelo> my gmail inbox is verrry slow via IMAP. anyone having similar situation?
Jan 07 20:54:02 <KotCzarny> sicelo, on gsm or wifi?
Jan 07 21:03:38 <Sicelo> all
Jan 07 21:03:56 <Sicelo> i even tried mutt on the remote server .. same thing
Jan 07 21:04:03 <KotCzarny> big messages?
Jan 07 21:04:20 <Sicelo> no. the delay is in authentication stage.
Jan 07 21:04:35 <Sicelo> just to retrieve headers only
Jan 07 21:04:46 <KotCzarny> so it disconnects after every message?
Jan 07 21:04:54 <Sicelo> no.
Jan 07 21:05:02 <KotCzarny> maybe some settings at gmail.com?
Jan 07 21:05:16 <KotCzarny> does it affect other imap servers ?
Jan 07 21:05:17 <Sicelo> that's why i was wondering if anyone else having problem
Jan 07 21:05:27 <Sicelo> others fast (e.g. yahoo)
Jan 07 21:06:08 <KotCzarny> use some imap client that will allow you to debug the log
Jan 07 21:06:38 <Pali> Sicelo: yes
Jan 07 21:07:11 <Sicelo> i wonder what's the cause. annoying.
Jan 07 21:07:14 <Pali> gmail has trolling...
Jan 07 21:07:15 <Pali> err. throttling :-)
Jan 07 21:07:30 <KotCzarny> pali, in 'headers only' too?
Jan 07 21:07:36 <Sicelo> um .. throttling for? i have very small mails.
Jan 07 21:08:11 <Pali> you need to reduce number of imap commands, otherwise you will be trolled by goodle
Jan 07 21:08:49 <Sicelo> i don't think that's the case with me :/
Jan 07 21:08:53 <Pali> and also you need to reduce size of downloaded emails
Jan 07 21:09:19 <Sicelo> my N900 fetches mail every 30minutes. i don't get large mail. my inbox right now has only 35 items
Jan 07 21:09:44 <Sicelo> by the way, via web interface all is normal speed
Jan 07 21:11:33 <freemangordon> Pali: I am getting out of ideas on how to test onenend :( . Do you have spare device?
Jan 07 21:12:05 <freemangordon> Pali: on the other side, I found the commit that broke modem, as you may probably seen on the ML
Jan 07 21:12:47 <Pali> or better, stop using it :-)
Jan 07 21:13:05 <KotCzarny> sicelo, do you have many folders in your imap account?
Jan 07 21:13:18 <Sicelo> nop :)
Jan 07 21:14:38 <Pali> Sicelo: delay after or before sending username+password?
Jan 07 21:14:43 <Sicelo> i guess it's the throttling though . but i wouldn't know why
Jan 07 21:15:10 <Pali> ~ping
Jan 07 21:15:10 <infobot> ~pong
Jan 07 21:15:15 <Pali> WTF??
Jan 07 21:15:44 <Pali> I got 20 messages from you in 2 seconds
Jan 07 21:16:24 <Sicelo> who?
Jan 07 21:17:08 <Pali> KotCzarny: yes, 'headers only' too. to retrieve headers you use also imap commands :-)
Jan 07 21:17:40 <Pali> messages? from KotCzarny, Sicelo, freemangordon
Jan 07 21:17:49 <KotCzarny> o.O
Jan 07 21:17:54 <KotCzarny> i didnt send anything
Jan 07 21:18:13 <KotCzarny> ahm, irc
Jan 07 21:18:19 <KotCzarny> yeah, lags/splits happen
Jan 07 21:18:34 <KotCzarny> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=508427#c111
Jan 07 21:18:36 <povbot> 04Bug 508427: was not found.
Jan 07 21:18:36 <KotCzarny> interesting
Jan 07 21:18:48 <KotCzarny> apparently gtk3 is b0rken
Jan 07 21:19:12 <Pali> see: http://pastebin.com/Bbpp21pN (look at 22:14:38 time)
Jan 07 21:21:21 <Pali> Sicelo: does not matter if you have only small emails.. if you call too many imap commands you will be trolled too!
Jan 07 21:21:21 <Pali> if you periodically check for new emails, then you use imap commands for it
Jan 07 21:21:32 <Pali> ~ping
Jan 07 21:21:33 <infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
Jan 07 21:22:03 <Sicelo> weird. this never happened before. started like a week or under
Jan 07 21:22:18 <Sicelo> it's actually 'normal' now.
Jan 07 21:22:25 <KotCzarny> pali is lagged beyond all recognition
Jan 07 21:22:31 <Pali> hm... no pong, looks like irc is broken
Jan 07 21:22:31 <Pali> :-(
Jan 07 21:22:54 <Pali> Sicelo: once you are trolled you need to wait day or two when you will be resetted to normal mode
Jan 07 21:23:43 <Pali> freemangordon: I have spare n900 device, I belive at the weekend I could have time to play with all those new stuff :-)
Jan 07 21:27:22 <Sicelo> https://support.google.com/a/answer/1071518?hl=en .. i'm definitely not within the 'specs' .. i shouldn't be throttled. anyway, fsck google
Jan 07 21:27:54 <KotCzarny> sicelo, maybe you have multiple devices checking the same account?
Jan 07 21:27:58 <Pali> KotCzarny: you sent, see my pastebin
Jan 07 21:28:20 <KotCzarny> pali: you are lagged, try /reconnect
Jan 07 21:28:39 <Sicelo> nope. only Nokia N900. nothing else
Jan 07 21:29:15 <Pali> or firefox is broken
Jan 07 21:29:36 <KotCzarny> - CTCP PING reply from Pali: 468.826691 seconds
Jan 07 21:29:39 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 07 21:29:51 <Pali> ok, I will try reconnect
Jan 07 21:30:13 <Pali> [22:29:30] * Received CTCP-PING request by KotCzarny!...
Jan 07 21:36:26 <Sicelo> mutt is nice email client :)
Jan 07 21:36:34 <KotCzarny> yes
Jan 07 21:46:27 <KotCzarny> i guess pali got ddosed or something
Jan 07 21:57:47 <Pali> huh, reconnected
Jan 07 21:57:49 <Pali> ~ping
Jan 07 21:57:50 <infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
Jan 07 21:57:59 <Pali> looks like working
Jan 07 21:57:59 <bencoh> pong
Jan 07 21:58:03 <Pali> pong
Jan 07 21:58:06 <bencoh> :)
Jan 07 21:59:32 <Pali> Sicelo: that link is for google customers which pay for their google apps product
Jan 07 21:59:39 <Pali> not for free gmail users
Jan 07 22:00:22 <Pali> IIRC there are no public information how google trolling free users
Jan 07 22:02:22 <freemangordon> Pali: great (re new device)
Jan 07 22:03:16 <bencoh> (throttling* - trolling is something else ;))
Jan 07 22:03:39 <bencoh> (google is probably full of trolls nonetheless, but still :))
Jan 07 22:03:43 <Pali> bencoh: in google context it is same
Jan 07 22:03:47 <bencoh> haha :)
Jan 07 22:09:40 <Pali> nice, we have http error code for trolling :-)
Jan 07 22:09:42 <Pali> it is 429
Jan 07 22:17:35 <bencoh> :)
Jan 07 22:27:31 <Pali> freemangordon: btw, are you going to add that system_rev = assignment near that save_atags code?
Jan 07 22:45:11 <freemangordon> Pali: I thought you will add it :) . I want to finish the other things, esp that onenand problem first
Jan 07 22:45:23 <Pali> then ok
Jan 07 22:45:59 <freemangordon> Pali: but if you think you won't have time, I'll take that as well
Jan 07 22:46:33 <freemangordon> ?
Jan 08 00:18:16 <jonwil> hi
Jan 08 00:18:41 <jonwil> If you guys see less of me for a while, its because I am knee deep in Fallout 4 :P
Jan 08 00:20:23 <Wizzup> :)
Jan 08 00:50:44 <jonwil> Too bad the companion phone apps dont work on a N900 :P
Jan 08 00:52:56 <svetlana> jonwil, you bastard! you getting addicted to that spying proprietary element of control over you! ;)
Jan 08 01:49:19 <Oksanaa> About inability to go past hildon-welcome if touchscreen is out of service: there is nifty file /etc/X11/Xsession.post/04hildon-welcome-wait which speaks of sleeping while hildon-welcome is not passed
Jan 08 01:49:52 <Oksanaa> If this script is made a tad more complicated, it could bypass hildon-welcome?
Jan 08 01:51:42 <jonwil> hildon-welcome is what?
Jan 08 01:51:50 <jonwil> Isn't that the thing that displays the hands animation?
Jan 08 01:52:47 <jonwil> if you mean the thing that sets the clock etc, thats osso-startup-wizard I believe
Jan 08 01:53:13 <Oksanaa> Ah, thank you. Confused them...
Jan 08 01:54:35 <Oksanaa> Still, sleep 1 while hildon-welcome is here is funny...
Jan 08 01:55:52 <kerio> i think i have neither of those installed
Jan 08 02:00:05 <Oksanaa> Why does osso-startup-wizard care for SIM state?!..
Jan 08 02:25:09 <jonwil> The reason it cares is because if the modem/network/SIM/etc are working, it will use that to get the current date/time from the cellular network
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 08 02:59:58 2016