**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 09 02:59:58 2016 Jan 09 07:51:32 hi Jan 09 07:53:08 hi Jan 09 08:12:50 hey I'm still using an n900 as my only phone Jan 09 08:13:14 are there any blogs or anything like that about apps that still work, or "best apps" so to speak Jan 09 08:13:28 yes, talk.maemo.org Jan 09 08:13:32 and it's been a few years, a reflash would be good Jan 09 08:13:39 ~flashing Jan 09 08:13:40 rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jan 09 08:13:46 whta about a quick top ten Jan 09 08:13:52 of STILL working ones Jan 09 08:13:55 top 20 Jan 09 08:14:57 see above Jan 09 08:15:43 I don't want to lose contacts, text and call history, and calendar info Jan 09 08:15:54 then flash only, without emmc Jan 09 08:16:06 will all the junk be there though Jan 09 08:16:13 or install backupmenu first, do backup etc to be extra safe Jan 09 08:16:15 ~bm Jan 09 08:16:16 from memory, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Jan 09 08:16:19 like the old root passwords and any random shit I installed from apt-get Jan 09 08:17:00 if I could have a freshly flashed phone and put the contacts/texts/calendar back on Jan 09 08:17:40 actually... is there a tool I can run that'll clean things up? I must have altered iptables and shit when I didn't relaly know whta I was doing with that, with apps and all kinds of crap Jan 09 08:19:36 I'd like to reinstall linux, and then put my contacts back on Jan 09 08:20:20 see above Jan 09 08:20:42 I'm reading it Jan 09 08:21:42 does that flash script put power kernel and other stuff which is basically vital now? Jan 09 08:24:58 nope Jan 09 08:25:15 it flashes your device to a femantle 1.3.1 Jan 09 08:25:27 no special stuff Jan 09 08:28:59 hello Jan 09 08:29:23 is that what I'm running now Jan 09 08:29:47 from memory I have the power kernel and it's running cssu Jan 09 08:29:58 ~cssu Jan 09 08:29:59 rumour has it, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Jan 09 08:31:29 Navit team is trying to build a navit deb for maemo Jan 09 08:32:38 but need help with some errors building on scratchbox Jan 09 08:33:17 can you take a look at https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-170118637 Jan 09 08:34:13 is there a weather app that actually works Jan 09 08:34:16 I'm in australia Jan 09 08:34:49 fishbulb: last time i hcecked omweather did work Jan 09 08:35:07 I checked and it didn't Jan 09 08:35:10 for this part of the world Jan 09 08:35:19 it showed weather from the previous day Jan 09 08:35:36 ignoring the local time and date Jan 09 08:54:42 The included weather app (forcea) works just fine in Australia FYI Jan 09 09:38:21 is this a simple repository issue in scratchbox? Jan 09 09:38:34 https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-170118637 Jan 09 10:49:24 i think it is Jan 09 11:36:33 hey Jan 09 11:37:00 what's the thing called to edit the autocomplete dictionary Jan 09 11:37:10 I forgot what it's claled and can't find it in the repos anymore Jan 09 11:44:02 autocomp edit Jan 09 12:07:51 nice. never knew this one :) Jan 09 12:08:15 gave up on the autocomplete when i found it 'suggests' even your entered passwords :( Jan 09 12:27:22 can you change autocomplete to a different one? Jan 09 12:27:28 like the "engine" or whatever? Jan 09 12:29:22 this is still technically a smartphone, but it's the dumbest of them. I basically like that there is some internet access, no fucking apps or facebook notifications or any of that shit Jan 09 12:30:09 like texts/calls, linux, access TO internet, but no modern apps at all. Jan 09 12:30:12 bash-3.00$ sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL Jan 09 12:30:12 bash-3.00$ dpkg -i ../deps/libdevil-dev_1.7.5-5maemo1_armel.deb Jan 09 12:30:12 dpkg: error processing ../deps/libdevil-dev_1.7.5-5maemo1_armel.deb (--install): package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386) Jan 09 12:30:15 Errors were encountered while processing: ../deps/libdevil-dev_1.7.5-5maemo1_armel.deb Jan 09 12:30:31 um Jan 09 12:30:35 switch target to armel Jan 09 12:30:52 ahm Jan 09 12:31:09 apparently your install is broken Jan 09 12:31:17 there's no autocomp edit in the repos Jan 09 12:31:20 have you tried the vm inmage? Jan 09 12:32:59 where is the repo list? Jan 09 12:33:04 of current repos? Jan 09 12:33:13 ~maemo-repos Jan 09 12:33:13 maemo-repos is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories Jan 09 12:34:25 which ones do I use? Jan 09 12:34:28 I'm using cssu Jan 09 12:35:40 I think the repos on my device are outdated Jan 09 12:36:18 indeed they are. i'm installing that editor right now Jan 09 12:36:39 using which repos? Jan 09 12:36:54 maemo-repos Jan 09 12:37:04 but really any of the mirrors are good Jan 09 12:37:24 muarf seems to be the most popular Jan 09 12:37:38 so I click on that link and it'll install all the repos Jan 09 12:38:11 no. you will see a list of documented mirrors Jan 09 12:38:44 im starting to think fishbulb should learn debian/linux basics Jan 09 12:38:57 i think he knows :/ Jan 09 12:39:16 yes Jan 09 12:40:41 yes, where does one learn these things Jan 09 12:40:46 where's "the manual" Jan 09 12:42:30 you may start with debian general manual (applies partially to maemo): https://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals Jan 09 12:42:39 i've even forgotten how to use the autocomplete, especially with vkbd. how do i 'accpet' a suggested word? Jan 09 12:42:51 sicelo, space maybe? Jan 09 12:43:14 at least in vkbd that doesn't have desired effect Jan 09 12:43:36 hwkbd you use right arrow Jan 09 12:44:00 i remember now .. you swipe on the suggested word in vkbd Jan 09 12:44:20 fishbulb: then google 'linux basics' and learn it for a day or two Jan 09 12:44:30 tricky though, as you must swipe 'from' the highlighted point Jan 09 12:45:17 fishbulb_: if this was openbsd we'd have the man pages that actually explain stuff Jan 09 12:45:26 well written, updated, exhaustive Jan 09 12:46:24 so I just google "linux" Jan 09 12:46:34 I'm asking shit that's specific to this phone Jan 09 12:46:51 repos: I need them Jan 09 12:46:59 hehe Jan 09 12:47:15 the phone needs software, where are the working repos please Jan 09 12:47:33 kerio: nokia decided to purge any documentation on maemo Jan 09 12:48:02 and nobody in the world has it? Jan 09 12:48:05 KotCzarny: linux distros in general have disappointing man pages Jan 09 12:48:08 how are there developers FOR maemo? Jan 09 12:48:26 I don't believe that. Jan 09 12:48:36 there is documentation somewhere Jan 09 12:49:00 people involved in this neo-900 project are INCREDIBLY precious about it Jan 09 12:49:16 probably because it involves money. Jan 09 12:49:39 basically its just a linux system, debianish Jan 09 12:49:51 anything that applies to linux or debian, also applies to maemo Jan 09 12:50:02 fishbulb_: there's docs Jan 09 12:50:08 they're just not installed on the n900 because of space concerns Jan 09 12:50:23 nokia tried pretty hard to pretend it's a phone Jan 09 12:52:01 it is Jan 09 12:52:04 it makes calls Jan 09 12:52:09 it does text messages Jan 09 12:52:26 it's primary function is a phone. it runs linux Jan 09 12:52:50 it defaults to a phone, I suppose technically what.. it's a tablet? it's a "device" that has 3g capabilities? Jan 09 12:53:02 a miniature tablet Jan 09 12:53:15 with a keyboard and can make calls, texts and the rest Jan 09 12:54:32 it runs what's basically a vaguely finger-friendly linux desktop system Jan 09 12:54:40 of circa 2008 Jan 09 12:54:47 that too Jan 09 12:55:01 and includes a well-supported phone module that can do calls and texts Jan 09 12:55:04 2008? I thought 2009 Jan 09 12:55:14 supported? Jan 09 12:55:23 KotCzarny: well, it works Jan 09 12:55:28 which means that there's drivers :> Jan 09 12:55:47 yes it works, I use it every day Jan 09 12:55:52 only with legacy kernel Jan 09 12:56:08 i wouldnt call it supported Jan 09 12:56:12 only 'working' Jan 09 12:58:59 well ok Jan 09 13:01:28 freemangordon: with last mce on 4.4 kernel I'm getting this: Jan 09 13:01:28 Jan 9 13:59:44 Nokia-N900 kernel: [ 4400.524963] keyboard: can't emulate rawmode for keycode 152 Jan 09 13:01:28 Jan 9 13:59:44 Nokia-N900 mce[2484]: Cannot close `/sys/devices/platform/gpio_keys/disabled_keys'; Invalid argument Jan 09 13:06:54 legacy kernel? Jan 09 13:07:04 the nokia's one Jan 09 13:07:12 they made this thing Jan 09 13:07:18 it's a phone. Jan 09 13:07:33 it defaults to a phone. if you pull it out of the box it's a phone Jan 09 13:07:43 you pull the sim out it defaults to an emergency call only phone Jan 09 13:08:08 linux poeple CAN mess with it endlessly, but it's a "smartphone" from 2009 Jan 09 13:08:56 fishbulb_: you can literally just grab a random linux desktop program Jan 09 13:08:58 compile it Jan 09 13:09:00 and it will work Jan 09 13:09:08 compile it for arm Jan 09 13:09:17 you can run busybox in android Jan 09 13:09:47 now how do I get the repos on my phone please? Jan 09 13:09:48 but not graphical ones Jan 09 13:09:53 which is why i said desktop program Jan 09 13:10:00 ie one that uses gtk or qt Jan 09 13:10:04 terminal software Jan 09 13:10:10 with typically alsa or pulseaudio Jan 09 13:10:13 for sound Jan 09 13:10:49 how do I get repos on this thing? Jan 09 13:17:09 I clicked on the install thing for the mirrors Jan 09 13:17:11 no dice Jan 09 13:17:27 how long should that take? it looks like my device is frozen Jan 09 13:19:01 what 'install thing' Jan 09 13:19:16 as long as it takes your network and device to process everything :) Jan 09 13:20:55 autocomp edit isn't in there Jan 09 13:21:01 something went wrong Jan 09 13:21:08 I think I installed both mirrors Jan 09 13:26:16 turn off then on again didn't work Jan 09 13:26:27 I'm out of ideas. Jan 09 14:48:04 hi again Jan 09 14:49:36 navit team trying to build navit for maemo but needs help with scratchbox Jan 09 14:50:36 there is a issue installing debs from repos Jan 09 14:51:16 can somebody look at this? https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62#issuecomment-170240617 Jan 09 15:22:37 Pali: "[PATCH] input: gpio_keys: Fix check for disabling unsupported key" is the fix for the second message. It needs board dts fix as well, I'll send a patch for it(most probably tomorrow). I saw the other message as well, but have no idea what it is. Jan 09 15:23:04 freemangordon: ok Jan 09 15:23:14 I have hal/ke-recv semi-working Jan 09 15:23:23 will commit patches to github Jan 09 15:23:42 there is problem in musb, see lkml email (cced) Jan 09 15:25:17 yep, just came home, still reading through the emails Jan 09 15:28:54 Pali: does "echo peripheral ..." make missing cable.button to appear? Jan 09 15:29:06 no Jan 09 15:29:09 hal patch is needed Jan 09 15:29:10 :( Jan 09 15:29:15 hal patch? Jan 09 15:29:23 * freemangordon looks on github Jan 09 15:29:36 moin nerds Jan 09 15:29:49 echo peripheral is needed because musb does not export gadget to PC Jan 09 15:29:56 I did not pushed patches to github yet Jan 09 15:29:56 nerds? where do you see them? :) Jan 09 15:30:00 ah, ok Jan 09 15:30:10 still fixing ke-recv... Jan 09 15:30:25 Pali: can;t we just grab newer hal? or it doesn;t make sense Jan 09 15:30:35 no it does not make sense Jan 09 15:30:38 as this is Nokia hal Jan 09 15:30:51 Nokia hal? Jan 09 15:30:53 there is no new version of Nokia hal Jan 09 15:31:00 ok Jan 09 15:31:01 hal patches by Nokia Jan 09 15:34:48 could you add a usleep of at least 200ms after detecting USB VBUS before testing D+/- short? Jan 09 15:35:37 or will this break ENUM? Jan 09 15:35:45 shouldn't Jan 09 15:38:19 anyway there's this annoying race condition when you plug in the USB charger slowly and GND/VBUS is already making contact while the shorter D+/- don't yet. So the device never (until mate-cycling) detects the fastcharger Jan 09 15:38:53 this even happens during UNplugging to me every once in a while now Jan 09 15:52:23 freemangordon, done, packages are now in cssu-devel and code on github Jan 09 15:52:40 ok Jan 09 15:53:20 DocScrutinizer05: problem looks like that musb enters into host mode by default Jan 09 15:53:38 and kernel show b_idle mode, not peripheral Jan 09 15:55:42 well, those are symptoms. the cause is the D+- contacts in plug are shorter than gnd and vbus Jan 09 15:59:54 freemangordon: have you tested Dmitry's patch for gpio_keys? Jan 09 16:00:09 Pali: no, planned it for tomorrow Jan 09 16:00:14 ok Jan 09 16:01:16 about musb, looks like kernel configured DevCtl musb register incorrectly after boot Jan 09 16:01:32 and that "echo peripheral > mode" fixes it Jan 09 17:34:53 Does anyone know, what the J looking piece of metal, on the inside of the back cover does? Jan 09 17:34:57 It popped off mine Jan 09 17:41:26 cover sensor Jan 09 17:41:41 ie. sd sensor etc Jan 09 17:42:24 and i think camera sensor Jan 09 17:42:50 Hmm Jan 09 17:42:53 So important then Jan 09 17:43:13 hmm, inside is only lens cover tho Jan 09 17:43:42 if your sd works, rhen just lens sensor Jan 09 19:21:05 hello, any idea where is hosted ipt_TRIGGER.ko netfilter module? Jan 09 19:21:34 I found source code in on more untrusted "forums" on internet... Jan 09 19:21:41 but no relevant project Jan 09 19:27:49 hmm, kernel source? Jan 09 19:36:19 or patch-o-matic maybe... but that's deprecated (obsolete actually) Jan 09 19:36:45 (patchomatic is) Jan 09 19:39:36 bencoh: I looked into xtables-addons Jan 09 19:39:43 but module is not there :-( Jan 09 19:42:03 google says svn.dd-wrt.com Jan 09 19:42:12 ipt_TRIGGER can be used as "reverse" recent module... if you create connection to address X and after that you receive packets from X (but different port) you can match this connection with ipt_TRIGGER Jan 09 19:42:41 in combination with masquerade, you can create dynamic port forwarding Jan 09 19:42:53 based on source (local) address Jan 09 19:43:07 hmm I see Jan 09 19:43:14 bencoh: I saw also sources on some dd-wrt linux subproject Jan 09 19:43:54 but... I trust more project like this "http://xtables-addons.sourceforge.net/" as some source code on some forum... Jan 09 19:44:22 does it mark it as related in conntrack? Jan 09 19:48:01 bencoh: looks like not Jan 09 19:49:12 everything is marked executed with TRIGGER target Jan 09 19:49:35 it keeps an internal table :/ Jan 09 19:49:59 doesnt look "pretty" Jan 09 19:50:15 no wonder it has never been upstreamed Jan 09 19:53:04 Pali: you might be able to do the same with CT Jan 09 19:53:15 (the netfilter target) Jan 09 19:53:20 bencoh: how? Jan 09 19:53:27 I was thinking about it Jan 09 19:53:33 but no idea Jan 09 19:54:05 CT is conntrack, right Jan 09 19:55:18 Pali: Do you have knowledge on the J piece of metal on the inside cover of the back plate ? Jan 09 19:55:27 Pali: It popped off, trying to figure out it's exact purpose Jan 09 19:55:43 or maybe you'd need a netfilter conntrack helper ... dunno Jan 09 19:55:44 stryngs: is it magnet? Jan 09 19:56:00 stryngs: do not know Jan 09 19:56:03 magnetic Jan 09 19:56:13 a helper would probably be *much* cleaner than this TRIGGER module anyway Jan 09 19:56:35 bencoh: yes, but helper needs to be kernel module Jan 09 19:56:50 TRIGGER is generic Jan 09 19:57:09 conntrack modules are specific for one option Jan 09 19:57:11 ? Jan 09 19:57:23 .ko ? ;p Jan 09 19:57:30 Defiant: Yes, it is ferrous Jan 09 19:57:45 It is a J shaped piece of metal Jan 09 19:57:45 stryngs: probably for a reed switch Jan 09 19:59:33 stryngs: any idea where it was? I don't see one on my backcover Jan 09 20:01:06 Defiant: Every n900 has one Jan 09 20:01:09 If you pull the lid off Jan 09 20:01:17 have the blue piece on the left hand side Jan 09 20:01:26 From right to left Jan 09 20:01:30 it's the first piece of metal Jan 09 20:01:33 It's molded into it Jan 09 20:01:54 [82684.320587] mmc0: cover is closed, card is now accessible Jan 09 20:01:58 aah thats what it is for Jan 09 20:02:40 it detects if cover is present Jan 09 20:03:44 Ok Jan 09 20:03:49 Do I need to care? Jan 09 20:04:20 stryngs: do you need the mmc? Jan 09 20:04:28 SD card? Jan 09 20:04:32 yes Jan 09 20:04:36 I'd like to Jan 09 20:04:59 then you probably need to care, unless you mount it manually Jan 09 20:05:43 won't mount manually. you'd need to hack the driver Jan 09 20:06:44 hmm Jan 09 20:06:48 and i probably don't know what 'j' looks like because i see nothing that looks like 'j' on either of my N900 Jan 09 20:06:57 Pull the back plate off Jan 09 20:07:08 Maybe it looks like an L Jan 09 20:07:17 Has two indentations where it mounts to the plastic Jan 09 20:07:22 You can't miss it =) Jan 09 20:07:36 there really is somethong magnetic in the backcover, I just can't see it. Jan 09 20:07:44 I shouldn't have painted all black :( Jan 09 20:09:51 i'm too dumb. i don't see any metallic pieces on back cover, except the spring for the camera shutter Jan 09 20:11:18 stryngs ... pic please? Jan 09 20:11:57 medium to low res though ... on metered connection Jan 09 20:12:50 .o0(I should remember to dust the inside once in a while) Jan 09 20:14:29 Sicelo: k Jan 09 20:16:11 aah found it Jan 09 20:16:23 Sicelo: do you have the backcover in the hand? Jan 09 20:17:26 not what I would call an L.. Jan 09 20:18:00 http://www.picpaste.com/20000101_001-3bfLl6mb.jpg Jan 09 20:18:08 The pen points to where it mounts Jan 09 20:18:09 i have two covers Jan 09 20:18:45 defiant: magnetic part is on the outside Jan 09 20:19:09 stryngs: replacement backcover is cheap Jan 09 20:19:21 KotCzarny: I don't need a replacement, I want to know what its for =) Jan 09 20:19:31 KotCzarny: Superglue would fix it Jan 09 20:19:39 KotCzarny: I'm interested in it's point Jan 09 20:19:58 ahm, this part Jan 09 20:20:02 that thing does nothing Jan 09 20:20:13 it just helps the movement of the 'stand' Jan 09 20:20:30 Sicelo: Hmm Jan 09 20:20:32 to make it sort of snap into place. Jan 09 20:21:01 Sicelo: So OS wise (Detection and stuff), pointless Jan 09 20:21:40 stryngs, if your card doesnt umount while backcover is in place then no Jan 09 20:21:42 that is if you mean the one sitting on white patch? does nothing for OS Jan 09 20:22:23 offtopic, how come it got broken? did you drop the n900? Jan 09 20:22:27 actually, on both my covers it is no longer there :) Jan 09 20:22:32 Word Jan 09 20:22:40 Sicelo: And on your SD card, no effect? Jan 09 20:23:48 stryngs: that not the one for the SD Jan 09 20:24:25 And that's what I care about Jan 09 20:24:36 that part is not even magnetic on mine Jan 09 20:24:42 It is on mine Jan 09 20:24:44 very Jan 09 20:24:51 It iself is not magnetic, but it is ferrous Jan 09 20:24:57 i.e. A magnet will attract it Jan 09 20:25:27 stryngs: don't you usually need a strong magnet for that? Jan 09 20:25:28 crappy connection :( yes, that has zero realtion to sd card. yes, my sd card & camera work just fine with that thing missing. Jan 09 20:25:46 Humpelstilzchen: My refridgerator magnet picks it up Jan 09 20:25:48 as i told you, it just causes the stand to 'snap' Jan 09 20:26:42 the sd card magnet is hidden close to the black 'patch' on camera door whern it is closed Jan 09 20:26:44 Sicelo: Word. Just wanted to make sure. Performing a new release for the hackpack today Jan 09 20:26:50 Sicelo: Can't have issues... Jan 09 20:27:08 the white & black patch are for the camera on/off Jan 09 20:27:32 everything else is for ... decor :) Jan 09 20:32:08 anyway, this exercise has made me realize that 'back cover out' event is not detected on my 2nd N900 :( Jan 09 20:32:29 problem is with N900, as the cover works fine on my other N900. Jan 09 20:32:29 maybe its permanently out Jan 09 20:33:08 what? Jan 09 20:34:26 i think the sensor in N900 is fried .. this device had very nice treament as far as i can tell, but when USB came off, whoever owned it got a bad repair guy. Jan 09 20:35:31 will reflash sometime soon to confirm if i don't just have bad software. earphone also doesn't work (but nokia headset works). phone unlocks UI on camera cover opening, etc. weird behavior. Jan 09 20:54:40 ah, no internet :( so can't download flasher. will have to wait for tomorrow Jan 09 21:24:57 Hi! My build depends on a few packages from fremantle extra/freemantle extra devel repos. What's proper way to satisfy these build time dependencies? Directly adding these repos to /etc/apt/sources.list seems to break scratchbox dpkg dependency tree. Jan 09 21:25:12 I attempt to build navit, another discussion is here: https://github.com/navit-gps/navit/pull/62 Jan 09 21:26:51 i wish someone would help ^^ (he's been asking for a long time) :) Jan 09 21:27:21 and i believe there are lots of people out there interested in navit on N900 Jan 09 21:27:21 where does ../deps/libdevil comes from? Jan 09 21:28:00 from fremantle extra repo Jan 09 21:28:20 downloaded by hand Jan 09 21:28:35 you shouldn't need to download it by hang Jan 09 21:28:49 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/d/devil/libdevil-dev_1.7.5-5maemo1_armel.deb Jan 09 21:29:08 ah, it's actually from extras-devel Jan 09 21:29:27 yeah, devil is in extras-devel only Jan 09 21:29:56 anyway, are you sure you configured your FREMANTLE_ARMEL target properly? Jan 09 21:31:10 i use a preconfigured vm image. Yesterday i was incorrectly logging into scratchbox with '/scratchbox/login bash' Jan 09 21:31:45 Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z <-- this one I guess? Jan 09 21:32:30 http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Jan 09 21:32:30 if you think your sb env is messed up I'd start again with a fresh one Jan 09 21:33:55 actually, i've started today with a clean copy. Jan 09 21:34:33 ah. Jan 09 21:35:07 well... then try adding extras* repositories to your sources.list Jan 09 21:35:46 adding extras breaks dependency tree after apt-get update Jan 09 21:35:47 (and use apt pin-priority to install extras/extras-testing instead of -devel when available) Jan 09 21:36:30 add -testing and -devel as wel... but it shouldn't Jan 09 21:37:03 " package architecture (armel) does not match system (i386)" that's strange Jan 09 21:37:07 can you quote the proper strings to include to sources.list? Jan 09 21:37:40 package architecture is actually resolved after using proper login procedure... Jan 09 21:37:45 ah Jan 09 21:38:27 http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=d13d71bea this is what I use Jan 09 21:38:31 so currently i have lots of unmeet dependencies after i add needed repos Jan 09 21:38:49 drop the "community" lines as it shouldn't be in sb Jan 09 21:39:34 (I followed http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation to install sb, btw. I dont use the pre-packaged vm image) Jan 09 21:41:20 (the vm should still work though) Jan 09 21:49:59 after patching sources.list and preferences i have a few warnings reported by apt-get update: http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=f35e52151 Jan 09 21:50:43 these are very like to what i after manually adding repositories before Jan 09 21:53:05 and build fails: http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=f7c15052b Jan 09 21:53:51 i do not yet mind libfreetype6-navit-dev, but i expect others to be available Jan 09 21:56:26 what if you install those? Jan 09 21:56:37 (dpkg-buildpackage wont install it for you) Jan 09 21:57:37 wait, it looks like now i have system in better condition. It seems to be just a bit broken because of forced libdevil-dev installation Jan 09 22:01:32 yeah, now i can apt-get these packages. I guess there was something wrong with my sources.list or missing /etc/apt/properties. Jan 09 22:19:24 i'm a bit confused how to follow https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1025907 by editing sources.list. Which deb line sould i add to the file to connect to http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ "unstable" repository Jan 09 22:23:52 tryagain: adding stuff to sources.list shouldn't break anything in SB Jan 09 22:24:14 just don;t do apt-get upgrade, but install only those packages you need instead Jan 09 22:25:18 oh, you've fixed it Jan 09 22:26:26 yeah, now i have advanced a few steps, now all dependencies are met (with packages from http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ downloaded manually) Jan 09 22:26:41 and the build goes on Jan 09 22:26:47 great Jan 09 22:28:54 otherwise, the line in sources.list should look like "deb http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ fremantle/sdk unstable" IMO Jan 09 22:29:12 though not sure Jan 09 22:29:18 oops Jan 09 22:29:26 not fremantle/sdk ofc Jan 09 22:29:47 that one: "deb http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ unstable" Jan 09 22:30:34 apt-get complains on wrong syntax... Jan 09 22:31:15 oh, wait, maybe it should be "deb http://bokomoko.de/~rd maemo unstable" Jan 09 22:32:45 i think i have tried that too. But it's not of big concern to download two packages manually. Jan 09 22:42:02 ok, looks like the build now goes its way. I guess it would take quite a while under double emulation. Thank you bencoh and freemangordon. Jan 09 22:43:08 compilation isnt emulated :) Jan 09 22:43:57 it's a cross fcc Jan 09 22:43:59 gcc* Jan 09 22:44:14 ah, that's really great! Anyway, i do not expect it to finish very soon Jan 09 22:45:12 we use rsvg to convert lots of svgs to png, and i guess rsvg would be run under emulation. Jan 09 22:45:25 try parallel=N in DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS could speed it up, Also, make sure there is no "thumb" in that env var Jan 09 22:45:26 why do you need freetype from http://bokomoko.de/~rd/maemo/ ? Jan 09 22:46:44