**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 17 02:59:58 2016 Jan 17 04:29:50 If I wish to add to maemo's understanding of location, so that it would be able to use not only gps (internal or external), but also IP and cellular-tower-id as sources of info, where should a bit of code be added? Jan 17 04:32:52 Or does Maemo already use cellular tower info, and it's only backwards AU that 'blocks' geographical location of cellular towers from being provided to cellular handset? Jan 17 04:34:02 If it's the case of backwards-cellular-towers, it would have been useful to make a plugin (with offline database) which 'unlocks' lat and long of towers Jan 17 06:26:58 Oksana: basically liblocation is what you want to augment or patch Jan 17 06:28:05 plus have a look at http://www.skyhookwireless.com/ Jan 17 06:33:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API Jan 17 07:40:01 bencoh, well, if you dont mind carrying something double in size as n900, one could use 2x18650 etc and get ~5000mAh/100mA=50h Jan 17 07:40:05 which isnt that bad Jan 17 07:40:28 but that number would rise if you count wifi/gsm and or using it in some way Jan 17 07:40:38 still, broadcom Jan 17 07:41:40 on a side note, my banana pi m1 uses ~200mA in idle (didnt try to optimize it yet) Jan 17 07:42:06 and thats with wifi chip connected Jan 17 07:45:02 * Maxdamantus could probably experiment with one of his Raspberry Pis some time. Jan 17 07:45:12 * Maxdamantus thinks his ones might be A+. Jan 17 07:45:18 maxd, why not bananas? Jan 17 07:45:28 I don't think they existed at the time. Jan 17 07:45:34 or if they did, I wasn't aware of them. Jan 17 07:45:41 I bought them around the end of 2013. Jan 17 07:45:53 yeah, bananas were out in 2014 Jan 17 07:52:17 Ah, no. They're model B. (0x000e) Jan 17 09:17:49 sixwheeledbeast: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1495209&postcount=482 Jan 17 10:16:46 freemangordon: :) Jan 17 10:28:57 Hi! I've got a mail saying navit 0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534 has been queued for loading into fremantle extras-devel repository Jan 17 10:29:20 How much time should it take to load it to extras-devel? Jan 17 10:29:55 doest it require some manual intervention or is it an automatic process? Jan 17 10:30:07 *does Jan 17 10:31:56 it is automatic Jan 17 10:32:17 it takes the autobuilder a couple hours to build the .deb Jan 17 10:32:43 and another two hours or so after that to be available to apt Jan 17 10:42:32 ceene thank you Jan 17 12:10:06 strange, here i have only two packages http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/navit/0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534/ Jan 17 12:10:32 but here are more reported https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/navit_0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1~6534/ Jan 17 12:11:37 old versions get removed from the archives, i think Jan 17 12:14:16 tryagain_: be patient, it takes time, soon or later the packages will appear Jan 17 12:14:49 yeah, don't worry Jan 17 12:15:08 if the build log says it has succeeded, everything is fine Jan 17 12:15:26 okay, i just thought they all should appear nearly at the same time Jan 17 12:15:37 Pali: I've finished with worldclock, there is more to be optimized and/or fixed code wise but for now I am fed with it. Feel free to take it from here if you feel so. Jan 17 12:16:11 sixwheeledbeast: well, the point was - test it please :) Jan 17 12:16:55 I did tons of changes, most probably I introduced some bugs Jan 17 12:27:43 tryagain_: autotool build? Jan 17 12:31:05 ok Jan 17 12:42:21 tryagain_: they appear at the same time in the repository, but the data on the website runs on a different schedule Jan 17 12:42:35 merlin1991: hi! Jan 17 12:42:44 hey Jan 17 12:42:50 merlin1991: when we are going to have cssu meeting? Jan 17 12:43:06 merlin1991: there is lots of new stuff Jan 17 12:43:25 starting monday any day is fine for me Jan 17 12:43:47 btw tryagain_ did you contact the original maintainer for navit? Jan 17 12:44:03 merlin1991: well, maybe choose a date and send a mail? Jan 17 12:47:28 freemangordon: I gathered that ;) Jan 17 12:47:34 ok :) Jan 17 12:47:43 just to make sure :p Jan 17 12:48:08 freemangordon: it wishes to pull in a later version of qt on my cssu-stable device is that expected? Jan 17 12:48:32 sixwheeledbeast: you can't test that on -stable Jan 17 12:48:49 yes, there is newer qt in -testing Jan 17 12:48:51 freemangordon: I have done in the past... Jan 17 12:49:05 and I guess it was auto made a dependency Jan 17 12:49:50 sixwheeledbeast: pester merlin1991 to issue new update to -stable :) Jan 17 12:49:55 0.6-1+0cssu3-1 is installed at the moment Jan 17 12:50:04 :nod: :) Jan 17 12:50:44 What are the changes to worldclock? :curious: Jan 17 12:50:57 sixwheeledbeast: sorry, he stuff in -devel was never meant to be used with enything else but -testing Jan 17 12:51:03 * Oksanaa should read the logs... Jan 17 12:51:24 freemangordon: I get that, but Ihave used the odd package before :) Jan 17 12:51:33 Oksanaa: https://github.com/community-ssu/clock-ui/commits/master Jan 17 12:51:50 for the last ~10 months Jan 17 12:52:03 sixwheeledbeast: you have been lucky :) Jan 17 12:52:15 sixwheeledbeast: if you want to try the stuff in -devel, clone the git and build in sb :) Jan 17 12:52:22 :nod: Jan 17 12:52:38 but, won;t fly this time Jan 17 12:52:40 (unless you want to try recent hildon stuff) Jan 17 12:53:15 because there is also an updated maemo-launcher in -devel, with support for qt as well Jan 17 12:53:33 freemangordon: oh, you pushed that thing? Jan 17 12:53:38 yes Jan 17 12:53:59 hmm, original world-clock was in gtk right? Jan 17 12:54:17 freemangordon: installed on -testing device Jan 17 12:54:30 https://github.com/community-ssu/maemo-launcher/commit/3692cb9656c1a979f31fa077e527a9cfb14c9bd0 Jan 17 12:54:32 bencoh: yes Jan 17 12:54:36 * Oksanaa would have liked if everything stayed in gtk+hildon. All the qt is entirely alien... Jan 17 12:54:48 Oksanaa: well, not really Jan 17 12:54:59 it just starts a little bit slower Jan 17 12:55:28 but with booster-qt and good programming, it is <1s difference Jan 17 12:55:47 Well, it looks different? Jan 17 12:55:54 freemangordon: it seems to ignore default fonts and the clock is a bit further up the window but appears to work Jan 17 12:55:55 developing in qt is waaay more easy then with gkt Jan 17 12:56:18 sixwheeledbeast: "ignore default fonts"? Jan 17 12:56:40 Well, is it difference between Objective-C and C-something? Jan 17 12:57:07 Oksanaa: can;t parse Jan 17 12:57:08 it doesnt look too different Jan 17 12:57:16 freemangordon: sorry, my mistake I changed the theme on my testing device recently :facepalm: Jan 17 12:57:59 sixwheeledbeast: hmm, yes, you're right, clock is not vertically centered Jan 17 12:58:33 I mean, the difference in coding between gtk and qt, is it because coding is in different programming languages, or is it because gtk widgets are inherently more difficult? Jan 17 12:58:37 i have ubuntu fonts on the other theme Jan 17 12:59:08 qt is c and more people can code c? Jan 17 12:59:24 well, qt is c++, gtk is c Jan 17 12:59:31 ah Jan 17 12:59:34 the problem is that gtk tries to mimic c++ Jan 17 13:00:15 And C++ people stumble over coding in gtk+c? Jan 17 13:01:24 they usually stumble on every non-object language anyway, but that's not the point :* Jan 17 13:01:31 no, it is simply that C is not meant for that purpose. At least to me it is like "you can't see the forest because of the woods" Jan 17 13:01:51 I prefer C usually ;) Jan 17 13:02:00 :) Jan 17 13:02:13 Okay... But Nokia did code it all in gtk+c, hence, it's possible Jan 17 13:02:21 sure it is Jan 17 13:02:55 it is simply that it is harder, at least for me. To code UI in gtk than on Qt that is Jan 17 13:02:57 I think that's more of a personal taste, I still prefer writing gtk stuff over qt (but I'm not good at writing GUIs anyway) Jan 17 13:03:07 It's like, if you like qt, feel free to code an all-qt version of maemo, but mixing gtk and qt in the same app can only be seen as cruel Jan 17 13:03:22 Oksanaa: it's not in the same app :) Jan 17 13:03:30 yes ;-) Jan 17 13:03:34 yet* Jan 17 13:03:57 :-D ^ Jan 17 13:04:55 how am I supposed to open an issue on github?!? Jan 17 13:05:14 no idea, I think you need an account Jan 17 13:05:30 I *hav* one Jan 17 13:05:32 *have Jan 17 13:05:35 ah :) Jan 17 13:05:39 * Oksanaa too Jan 17 13:06:20 * Oksanaa dives to github Jan 17 13:06:20 I want to open an issue on clock-ui, to not forget what sixwheeledbeast said Jan 17 13:07:25 Code Issues Pull requests Pulse Graphs Jan 17 13:07:44 I see no issues tab :D Jan 17 13:08:06 oh, those are disabled Jan 17 13:08:39 Why?.. Jan 17 13:08:54 NFC, anyway I enabled them Jan 17 13:09:02 sixwheeledbeast: have an account on github? Jan 17 13:09:35 freemangordon: I was looking, I have used it for flopswap I think... Jan 17 13:09:55 anyway, I'll open the issue for the vertical positioning Jan 17 13:11:01 freemangordon: I have found it, are you going to open issue? Jan 17 13:11:15 https://github.com/community-ssu/clock-ui/issues/1 Jan 17 13:11:28 19 seconds ago.... Jan 17 13:11:34 sixwheeledbeast: feel free to create new issues if you found a need Jan 17 13:11:43 *find Jan 17 13:11:43 freemangordon: :nod: :) Jan 17 13:49:53 Luke-Jr: ping Jan 17 14:20:03 bencoh it's cmake build Jan 17 14:21:27 merlin1991 yep, woglinde said he had added me as admin, but i see me at navit-packaging rather than at navit itself. Have to figure out what it means. Jan 17 14:27:46 tryagain_: side question: what would i do with navit? Jan 17 14:38:27 https://github.com/community-ssu/clock-ui/issues/2 Jan 17 14:44:12 Sicelo it's an offline navigation program, with routing, highly configurable. Maps are based on OSM data. Jan 17 14:44:50 i once installed it, but couldn't get it to work .. maybe i was just being dumb. Jan 17 14:44:55 Though some additional steps are required to use it, at least map should be downloaded manually Jan 17 14:45:20 also, there's no osd items configured by now Jan 17 14:45:39 so manual editing of xml file is needed Jan 17 14:45:44 which is the kernel format that 0xffff sends to the n900? zImage? zImage+device tree? Jan 17 14:45:52 i guess it's the latter? Jan 17 14:45:55 zImage Jan 17 14:46:03 no device tree? Jan 17 14:46:15 i don't know about that .. ask Pali :) Jan 17 14:46:22 but zImage alone should suffice Jan 17 14:46:39 ok, i'll try that later Jan 17 14:46:42 thanks Jan 17 14:47:27 ceene: fmg/pali were working on DT Jan 17 14:47:29 flasher-3.5 needs just zImage .. so that should be ok with 0xFFFF too. there was no DT in those days (or at least it wasn't the standard) Jan 17 14:47:41 0xFFFF sends any bootable image Jan 17 14:47:53 it should be compiled in if enabled (?) Jan 17 14:48:06 and if you are using DT based boot, you must append DTS after zImage Jan 17 14:48:11 ah Jan 17 14:48:19 Sicelo At the moment, i'm attempting just to make it build and get feedback from our existing users (we had for a few years a separate build maintained in private repo) Jan 17 14:48:19 nevermind what I just said then Jan 17 14:48:32 http://elinux.org/N900#DT_Kernel_Compilation Jan 17 14:48:33 i see Jan 17 14:48:38 see: Create combined kernel image by appending the DTB file: Jan 17 14:49:16 all right Jan 17 14:57:27 LOL github automatically closed an issue based on the commit message. Nice :) Jan 17 14:57:54 :) Jan 17 14:58:28 sixwheeledbeast: so, you think text should be clickable as well? Jan 17 14:59:20 I can make text besides icons clickable, but using a list there seems like a terrible idea Jan 17 14:59:41 freemangordon: :nod: that's how it was. I actually thought it was broken until I started tapping the screen all over. Jan 17 14:59:45 Ideally, there should be a background image Jan 17 14:59:54 yes, I know how it was Jan 17 15:00:18 ok Jan 17 15:01:05 but - the correct was is to have a background image, similar to that in portrait mode. Imagine what mess will happen if we overlay tree view over a background Jan 17 15:01:15 s/was/way Jan 17 15:01:36 s/portrait/landscape Jan 17 15:02:18 sixwheeledbeast: though, making text clickable makes sense, WIll do it Jan 17 15:02:22 In OMP there is no background image in portrait Jan 17 15:02:32 it's also a list view Jan 17 15:02:52 I guess they where designed to look/feel similar Jan 17 15:02:57 Pali: pong Jan 17 15:02:59 and OMP is where most of the code in adeclock was steal from ;) Jan 17 15:03:41 hmm, no "stealed" word in english? I thought steal is a regular verb. Jan 17 15:03:57 ah makes sense Jan 17 15:03:57 oh, no Jan 17 15:04:04 stolen in english ;) Jan 17 15:04:09 yeah :) Jan 17 15:04:52 Luke-Jr: I'm going to push your patches for kdepim noakonadi, ok? or is there something wrong with them? Jan 17 15:05:18 however stolen would indicate it's not FOSS so maybe borrowed is appropriate Jan 17 15:05:25 :D Jan 17 15:06:11 sixwheeledbeast: introducing tree view for portrait makes UI inconsistent, we either use tree for both or for none, IMO Jan 17 15:06:32 yeah, borrowed :D Jan 17 15:07:07 however, I'll make text clickable too, as in stock it is Jan 17 15:08:38 Oh I see your point. I would think the idea was to have the landscape UI imitate stock, so the landscape background image lines up. Jan 17 15:12:47 I suppose if the text is clickable that would be fine. Jan 17 15:13:24 :nod: Jan 17 15:15:28 Oh another thing I noticed was the "highlighted fade" isn't used on the date and time button. Not an issue but may look nicer with the fade on? Jan 17 15:16:00 I guess I can implement another type of button, more wide, so when the text is clicked (in portrait) to be highlighted Jan 17 15:16:27 sounds good Jan 17 15:16:36 sixwheeledbeast: hmm? that depends on the theme Jan 17 15:16:59 does it? Jan 17 15:17:05 p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } /etc/hildon/theme/images/320IconHighlight.png Jan 17 15:17:13 sorry, /etc/hildon/theme/images/320IconHighlight.png Jan 17 15:17:32 this is what stock uses Jan 17 15:17:42 ah I didn't know that Jan 17 15:17:53 you're too used to adeclock :p Jan 17 15:18:11 but I have a freshly flashed device in front of me to compare with Jan 17 15:18:45 Yes, and my broken theme. Made by another broken package "theme-customizer" :shiver: Jan 17 15:19:10 I'll shut up now :) Jan 17 15:19:16 hmm, why? Jan 17 15:19:25 your feedback is very useful Jan 17 15:19:35 :) Jan 17 15:19:42 no, really Jan 17 15:22:40 that actually makes sense now looking at the old adeclock. I wondered why the time and date had separate buttons one with fade and one without. Jan 17 15:22:52 how silly. Jan 17 15:23:18 I am happy to help where I can, but I am no coder. Jan 17 15:23:39 I need testers, not coders, as I am Jan 17 15:27:21 sixwheeledbeast: BTW, I don;t know if it is clear, but alarms are ordered in the list :) Jan 17 15:27:50 enabled on top, ordered by alarm time Jan 17 15:27:54 freemangordon: ordered how? I have no alarms on -testing device Jan 17 15:28:22 yes Jan 17 15:29:04 sixwheeledbeast: add a couple of alarms and you'll see Jan 17 15:29:09 ok, I'll have a play now Jan 17 15:35:01 oh I see, I think the old one was last active. Jan 17 15:36:24 That would confuse me a little I think. If you use the alarm on one date for example. Jan 17 15:36:54 you may reactivate it not realising the date has past Jan 17 15:38:08 lemme try Jan 17 15:38:34 sixwheeledbeast: BTW, can you? Jan 17 15:38:56 (activate an alarm with a date in the past)? Jan 17 15:39:41 Ah Jan 17 15:40:23 hmm? Jan 17 15:41:06 hmm, crashed :) Jan 17 15:41:18 I can't set one in the past, so let me try set one now and reactivate it in a sec Jan 17 15:41:46 yep crash Jan 17 15:41:48 resulted in a crash here Jan 17 15:42:00 ok, I guess that should be fixed Jan 17 15:42:04 :) Jan 17 15:42:09 BTW, how was that in the old adeclock? Jan 17 15:42:16 I'll try Jan 17 15:42:44 I guess the correct behaviour is to open the edit dialog Jan 17 15:44:59 freemangordon: it won't let you check it, in adeclock Jan 17 15:45:41 that behaviour maybe ok, you have to select the alarm and edit it Jan 17 15:46:12 I'd rather open edit dialog, instead Jan 17 15:46:41 also in adeclock new alarms are defaulted to the current time not 00:00 this was handy Jan 17 15:46:57 in stock they default to 10:00 Jan 17 15:47:08 or not? Jan 17 15:47:16 ok, that's easy to be done Jan 17 15:47:33 sixwheeledbeast: are you going to open issues for those? Jan 17 15:47:47 No idea for stock but I recall asking ade for this. Jan 17 15:47:49 will do Jan 17 15:47:54 ok, thanks Jan 17 16:00:05 sixwheeledbeast: when adding a new alarm, what date it is set to? in old adeclock that is Jan 17 16:00:45 tomorrow at this time in adeclock Jan 17 16:01:18 ok, keeping the same behaviour Jan 17 16:01:56 I have to flick back a day, so i would say no? Jan 17 16:02:27 ok, but we cannot set an alarm today at this time Jan 17 16:02:32 as it already has passed Jan 17 16:02:55 hmm, "as it has passed already"? Jan 17 16:03:01 I suppose it's personal pref really. Maybe one minute ahead? Jan 17 16:04:07 yep, makes sense Jan 17 16:04:32 Does it matter that it has past? you are in the alarm dialog anyway you can't set it? Jan 17 16:05:31 yes, but if I understand your idea correctly, you want to have an alarm to be immediately settable Jan 17 16:05:54 if it is in the past, you can;t set it Jan 17 16:06:05 so 1 minute ahead sounds sane to me Jan 17 16:06:16 also spotted something else, adding to github now. in adeclock if you set an alarm in future it puts date instead of Never Jan 17 16:07:46 i don't think it matters about the 1 minute ahead TBH, what if it takes you a minute to set the alarm, it's invalid anyway? Jan 17 16:08:35 ok, will set it to "now" Jan 17 16:08:53 I am looking from a POV of I park the car and have 1 hour to park, open clock-ui swipe 1 hour as quick a possible, done. Jan 17 16:09:55 yep, makes sense Jan 17 16:13:21 cool, I am wondering about the best way to sort alarms. Was there a reason for using time? Jan 17 16:13:38 .64 Jan 17 16:13:40 woops Jan 17 16:15:41 sixwheeledbeast: I think so, as you time is always the most important thing. At least for me :) Jan 17 16:15:51 *as time Jan 17 16:17:58 Ok. I would say time to alarm myself, then maybe alphabetical if alarm name set? Jan 17 16:18:46 do you really set alarm titles? Jan 17 16:19:27 time to alarm? could be, but imagine: Jan 17 16:19:51 for some persistent ones yes, "Work" they can sit at the bottom. Jan 17 16:19:52 you've disabled all your alarms (friday or holiday) Jan 17 16:20:17 now you want to enable your "get up for work" alarms. Jan 17 16:20:57 me, personally look for the time - it is the left column, and is the shortest one Jan 17 16:21:08 I see what you mean. Jan 17 16:21:16 oh.. Jan 17 16:21:20 and I *know* when am I supposed to get up :) Jan 17 16:21:38 issue but NFC how to reproduce... Jan 17 16:22:08 I am trapped at the Alarm settings dialog and can't get rid Jan 17 16:22:21 what did you do? Jan 17 16:22:26 no idea Jan 17 16:22:29 :D Jan 17 16:22:44 I think i hit task switcher while loading Jan 17 16:22:49 dialog Jan 17 16:23:10 BTW I touched "alarm settings" just a little bit, mos of the code is the original adeclock's code Jan 17 16:23:33 there are still very, very ugly hacks there Jan 17 16:23:35 It's ok, I am glad it's getting some love. Jan 17 16:24:45 So i can hit task switcher to close dialog but the dialog pops up and cannot be closed if I switch back to clock-ui Jan 17 16:25:19 which dialog is that? Jan 17 16:25:28 alarm settings Jan 17 16:25:30 could you make a screenshot? Jan 17 16:27:29 not now I just killed it before you asked. i will try to reproduce if I can. It was like the alarm settings dialog was not attached to mainwindow any more, if that makes sense. Jan 17 16:27:39 yes, it makes Jan 17 16:28:05 I was just able to open "new alarm" dialog on top of "alarm settings" dialog Jan 17 16:28:21 oh nice Jan 17 16:28:55 if you click "alarm settings" from the menu and immediately click on "new alarm" Jan 17 16:29:12 I guess it is qt acting here :) Jan 17 16:30:37 yep I can reproduce that one, it's similar but I can't reproduce it yet. The issue was you couldn't close the dialog with save Jan 17 16:32:42 веирд Jan 17 16:32:44 oops Jan 17 16:32:46 weird Jan 17 16:34:38 pretty sure it was hitting the taskswitcher while the dialog was loading but I can't reproduce it now. Grr Jan 17 16:41:31 Did you change the hildon banner to days and hours? Jan 17 16:44:54 I implemented what is in the stock Jan 17 16:45:08 it depends on the time remaining Jan 17 16:45:20 it might be time, days to, day, or date Jan 17 16:45:32 day == weekday Jan 17 16:48:48 hi Jan 17 16:49:33 ok, thats fine. adeclock rounds this up but doesn't matter. The only reason I can see for this is so it fits on one line. Jan 17 16:49:48 i almost never use the stock backup application. when backup is finished, do i need to click "Stop"? or does that mean it is still processing? Jan 17 16:49:57 ah.. just heard a beep now :) Jan 17 16:52:55 i was playing with xterm on the N900...i want to start tzconfig but it says not found...why...i actually have it in /usr/bin/tzselect Jan 17 16:53:32 i mean *tzselect not tzconfig Jan 17 17:00:11 which should be the right procedure to install backupmenu+uboot? Jan 17 17:00:32 i've only managed to brick it :) Jan 17 17:01:34 :) Jan 17 17:02:26 standard way. remember u-boot installs as 'stock' kernel.. so you need to make sure the stock kernel modules are available in your system Jan 17 17:02:59 if you're using .item files, make sure syntax is correct, and run u-boot-update-bootmenu Jan 17 17:03:14 in which order should i install this? Jan 17 17:03:18 first u-boot, then backupmenu? Jan 17 17:03:24 or viceversa? Jan 17 17:04:27 doesn't really matter Jan 17 17:04:37 uboot first, i'll suggest Jan 17 17:05:00 i installed first backupmenu, after that i installed u-boot and after rebooting i could only get as far as uboot Jan 17 17:05:13 i didn't want to type anything at uboot console so i just reflashed :P Jan 17 17:05:36 * Sicelo009N doesn't know how to operate that too :D Jan 17 17:05:59 i make sure i've got everything fine inside maemo, to avoid dealing with that console Jan 17 17:07:06 i need to read somewhere about n900's boot process Jan 17 17:07:15 ~boot Jan 17 17:07:16 it has been said that boot is what you get when you act like a DalNet user, or #debian-boot Jan 17 17:07:20 uhm Jan 17 17:07:36 not so useful in this context, infobot Jan 17 17:08:06 ~bootprocess Jan 17 17:08:12 basically uboot presents itself to the bootloader as a kernel ... then it starts loading your other specified kernels, etc. Jan 17 17:08:53 and backupmenu what is exactly? Jan 17 17:08:57 just a shell script? Jan 17 17:08:58 so doesn't really matter too much what the bootloader itself does (and they are closed anyway.. NOLO/XLoader afaik) Jan 17 17:10:22 yes, backupmenu is a script that kernel loads 'thinking' it's loading normal system :) Jan 17 17:10:29 something like that, haha Jan 17 17:10:47 so on install it probably does something somewhere Jan 17 17:10:56 to tell the kernel that init is not /sbin/init but /whatever/backupmenu Jan 17 17:11:26 i don't know. check the postinst maybe Jan 17 17:11:33 right now i don't think i want backupmenu anymore Jan 17 17:11:40 reason? Jan 17 17:11:44 i can always tar / by myself, can't i? Jan 17 17:12:07 that's basically what it does Jan 17 17:12:13 of course you can. backupmenu is convenient though .. seen all the features it has? Jan 17 17:12:31 well, when it doesn't enter in conflict with a just installed uboot seems cool Jan 17 17:12:53 when it doesn't play well along the others i don't like it that much Jan 17 17:13:24 hmm, something's weird there. i've used bm for years, uboot too. never got issues Jan 17 17:14:10 probably i did something wrong Jan 17 17:14:11 even yesterday i semi_bricked my system with uboot.. but very easy/straightforward recovery. Jan 17 17:14:13 or a wrong install order Jan 17 17:14:15 or whatever Jan 17 17:14:19 maybe Jan 17 17:14:22 but i just don't want to lose time with that Jan 17 17:14:31 i want to be able to load kernels at will Jan 17 17:14:39 and not having to lose much time when my fs gets corrupt Jan 17 17:15:03 i'd say take the time to fix it. once it works well, it will allow you to do what you want very conveniently :) Jan 17 17:15:19 no need to carry cables & flashers around thereafter Jan 17 17:15:41 that's true Jan 17 17:15:43 well Jan 17 17:15:47 i gotta go cooking now! :P Jan 17 17:16:02 so i have /usr/bin/tzselect but if i type tzselect it doesnt start but says not found...strange Jan 17 17:16:12 some arroz con leche Jan 17 17:16:18 capitanocrunch: what if you type /usr/bin/tzselect ? Jan 17 17:16:32 same error not found Jan 17 17:16:37 root? Jan 17 17:16:39 ls -al /usr/bin/tzselect ? Jan 17 17:16:43 pinoy food? Jan 17 17:16:45 what do we use that for in maemo btw? Jan 17 17:16:58 spanish desert Jan 17 17:17:10 ah, mine works Jan 17 17:17:13 gotta go, cya! Jan 17 17:17:31 it has all x permission Jan 17 17:17:43 i wonder if that would do the 'right' thing .. capitanocrunch why don't you just use GUI? Jan 17 17:17:51 regional settings or clock? Jan 17 17:18:13 ls -al /usr/bin/tzselect Jan 17 17:18:40 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6894 Feb 28 2015 /usr/bin/tzselect Jan 17 17:18:56 that's mine (which also works in xterminal as root) Jan 17 17:19:05 same for me Jan 17 17:19:08 but why aren't you using the UI? Jan 17 17:19:29 just playing with xterm Jan 17 17:19:31 maybe something's up with your path Jan 17 17:19:47 like? Jan 17 17:20:23 dunno :) Jan 17 17:20:28 echo $PATH Jan 17 17:20:42 /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 Jan 17 17:22:43 or your install is fuckt. you may want to reinstall Jan 17 17:23:17 probably Jan 17 17:23:22 haha, it's part of libc6 .. hmm, but you can reinstall that Jan 17 17:23:38 hum Jan 17 17:24:05 the strange thing is last modified 2010 Jan 17 17:27:21 are you shure? to reinstall coreutils? Jan 17 17:28:07 no. i'm not sure. (also going afk now) Jan 17 17:28:46 but i don't see anything wrong with reinstalling libc6 .. maybe just me though Jan 17 17:29:24 ~libc6 Jan 17 17:29:24 well, libc6 is the GNU C library version 2, which Debian uses since 2.0 . Jan 17 17:30:18 ~tzselect Jan 17 17:30:34 if you've got doubt, maybe leave this alone and play with other xterminal stuff ;) Jan 17 17:30:43 apt-cache search tzselect ? Jan 17 17:30:56