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Jan 18 03:15:45 <KotCzarny> http://i.imgur.com/lunecj3.jpg  lol
Jan 18 03:27:43 <totalizator> KotCzarny: https://github.com/reinderien/mimic
Jan 18 03:27:55 <KotCzarny> mm?
Jan 18 03:28:05 <KotCzarny> ahm
Jan 18 03:42:11 <KotCzarny> totalizator, good one
Jan 18 03:42:25 <totalizator> evil
Jan 18 03:42:40 <KotCzarny> evil doesnt even begin to describe it
Jan 18 03:42:49 <KotCzarny> luckily i use mcedit in latin2 mode
Jan 18 03:42:53 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 18 03:42:57 <totalizator> hah
Jan 18 04:02:52 <KotCzarny> https://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars/spaces.html
Jan 18 04:07:54 <totalizator> bookmarked, thanks
Jan 18 04:08:28 <KotCzarny> see also https://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars/
Jan 18 08:03:26 <Sicelo> anyone knows a way to have non-microb browsers to use Maemo's certificate store?
Jan 18 08:03:39 <KotCzarny> depends on the browser i guess
Jan 18 08:03:54 <Sicelo> fennec for example, or opera
Jan 18 08:04:29 <KotCzarny> --certificate-path=
Jan 18 08:04:32 <KotCzarny> for fennec
Jan 18 08:04:45 <Sicelo> for OWA i need to use a password-protected certificate. currently i can only use microb. let me try that
Jan 18 08:04:52 <Sicelo> and what path shall i give? :)
Jan 18 08:05:03 <KotCzarny> thought you know that part ;)
Jan 18 08:06:01 <Sicelo> i only know to talk with mamo certifcates using cmcli
Jan 18 08:06:25 <KotCzarny> c_rehash /etc/certs/common-ca/
Jan 18 08:06:31 <KotCzarny> that could be the path
Jan 18 08:06:43 <Sicelo> /etc/certs/common-ca/
Jan 18 08:06:49 <Sicelo> yes, that
Jan 18 08:06:52 <Sicelo> *thanks
Jan 18 08:07:09 <Sicelo> i need the c_rehash part?
Jan 18 08:08:31 <KotCzarny> c_rehash is a command to refresh the store i think, but backup first
Jan 18 08:08:41 <KotCzarny> certman probably does it for you anyway
Jan 18 08:09:15 <Sicelo> yes, i believe certman does
Jan 18 08:09:33 <KotCzarny> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10423
Jan 18 08:09:35 <povbot> 04Bug 10423: HTTPS URL's Don't Work - certman's C_FindObjects mishandles null return from get_cert
Jan 18 08:09:47 <KotCzarny> has some cmd magic too
Jan 18 08:09:55 <Sicelo> anyway, fennec for some reason decides to open the path and display its contents :p
Jan 18 08:10:30 <KotCzarny> did you put = or space?
Jan 18 08:10:47 <KotCzarny> also, try --help
Jan 18 08:10:51 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 18 08:12:37 <Sicelo> i used =
Jan 18 08:12:55 <KotCzarny> maybe its some script instead of binary
Jan 18 08:12:58 <Sicelo> and the options don't have certificate-path
Jan 18 08:13:17 <Sicelo> could be that fennec was stripped down bit too much. 
Jan 18 08:13:35 <Sicelo> let me check if i could find something useful in about:config
Jan 18 08:14:55 <Sicelo> no dice
Jan 18 08:18:21 <Sicelo> guess for the time being i should be content with microb, which does a good job actually. but maybe fennec would have performed even better
Jan 18 08:58:11 <bencoh> Sicelo: fennec is mozilla-based, and it probably uses its own store
Jan 18 08:58:25 <bencoh> (just like firefox)
Jan 18 09:05:26 <Sicelo> yes, i figured that. 
Jan 18 09:06:01 <Sicelo> don't know how to manage it though ... i saw reference to some "certutil" tool
Jan 18 09:13:38 <DocScrutinizer05> mmphh  http://paste.opensuse.org/76599236
Jan 18 09:16:39 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the full 'session': http://paste.opensuse.org/83068016
Jan 18 09:17:02 <ceene> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory
Jan 18 09:17:38 <ceene> ls -al /var/lib/dpkg/info/smbfs*
Jan 18 09:17:39 <ceene> ?
Jan 18 09:18:27 <DocScrutinizer05> even more 'full': http://paste.opensuse.org/4728920
Jan 18 09:18:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ls: http://paste.opensuse.org/5871650
Jan 18 09:19:18 <ceene> problem is probably that /var/lib/dpkg/info/smbfs.postinst first line is #!/bin/bash instead of #!/bin/sh
Jan 18 09:19:28 <ceene> head /var/lib/dpkg/info/smbfs.postinst ?
Jan 18 09:20:11 <DocScrutinizer05> #! /bin/sh
Jan 18 09:20:21 <ceene> remove the space
Jan 18 09:20:37 <ceene> and run dpkg --configure -a 
Jan 18 09:20:43 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Jan 18 09:21:19 <ceene> and then you should go and send a patch to whomever :)
Jan 18 09:22:51 <DocScrutinizer05> WAAAAH!!!!
Jan 18 09:23:09 <ceene> i don't know if that's good or bad
Jan 18 09:24:29 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/18/plasma-desktopWg3616.png
Jan 18 09:24:50 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# dpkg --configure -a
Jan 18 09:24:52 <DocScrutinizer05> Setting up samba-common (3.4.3-maemo2) ...
Jan 18 09:24:53 <DocScrutinizer05> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: No such file or directory
Jan 18 09:24:58 <ceene> aaaaaaaargh
Jan 18 09:25:15 <ceene> fromdos /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst
Jan 18 09:25:18 <ceene> if there's fromdos
Jan 18 09:25:21 <ceene> or it can be done with sed
Jan 18 09:25:22 <ceene> or something
Jan 18 09:25:32 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
Jan 18 09:25:44 <DocScrutinizer05> no fromdos
Jan 18 09:25:52 <ceene> http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt
Jan 18 09:26:49 <ceene> how come these make it to the repos
Jan 18 09:26:59 <ceene> the people that did those scripts didn't try to install them?
Jan 18 09:30:01 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/88944841 :-S
Jan 18 09:30:57 <ceene> have you made the conversion from CR/LF to LF?
Jan 18 09:31:16 <ceene>  sed 's/.$//'               # assumes that all lines end with CR/LF
Jan 18 09:31:17 <DocScrutinizer05> see sed oneliner. Yes, seems to have worked
Jan 18 09:31:22 <ceene> sed -i ?
Jan 18 09:31:36 <ceene> so why does it fail now?
Jan 18 09:31:40 <ceene> mmmm
Jan 18 09:31:40 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
Jan 18 09:32:22 <DocScrutinizer05> same shit in *.config or whatever?
Jan 18 09:33:30 <ceene> ups
Jan 18 09:33:38 <ceene> i think that sed like screwed up something
Jan 18 09:34:18 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly wtf!? http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/18/plasma-desktopxj3616.png
Jan 18 09:34:57 <ceene> 
Jan 18 09:35:05 <ceene> :s
Jan 18 09:37:48 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/18536470  sucks
Jan 18 09:40:55 <DocScrutinizer05> err *cough* http://paste.opensuse.org/37335137
Jan 18 09:41:31 <ceene> what the hell is all of that?
Jan 18 09:43:54 <DocScrutinizer05> wait
Jan 18 09:45:04 <DocScrutinizer05> jr@saturn:~> iron900 cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postinst|pastebinit
Jan 18 09:45:05 <DocScrutinizer05> http://susepaste.org/19124827
Jan 18 09:46:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and don't ask me what's ucf, never heard of it
Jan 18 09:48:19 <ceene> Description-en: Update Configuration File(s): preserve user changes to config files
Jan 18 09:48:32 <ceene> it's the thingy that asks you on debian if you want to keep your configuration or use the new one from the package
Jan 18 09:48:59 <ceene> you probably can replace ucf lines with cp -f "$NEWFILE" "$CONFIG"
Jan 18 09:49:41 <DocScrutinizer05> I think for now I'm fed up with cifs ;-)
Jan 18 09:50:11 <ceene> i don't understand how can this be on the repos
Jan 18 09:50:19 <DocScrutinizer05> actaully I planned to share my music dir on PC to other clients in LAN
Jan 18 09:50:21 <ceene> the guy who did it screwed ip up big time
Jan 18 09:51:22 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jan 18 09:52:10 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38536
Jan 18 09:52:47 <ceene> the samba packages are fixable, though
Jan 18 10:05:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I give up. >> # mount -t cifs -o username=jr //192.168.4.21/Musik /mnt/   ##>>  Mounting the DFS root for domain not implemented yet \n No ip address specified and hostname not found
Jan 18 10:08:56 <ceene> i assume your server is a windows pc
Jan 18 10:09:07 <ceene> because otherwise i've had good luck mounting NFS 
Jan 18 10:38:13 <DocScrutinizer05> wow! worked, finally. After actually exporting something on my PC via samba
Jan 18 10:40:04 <DocScrutinizer05> mount -tcifs -o user=jjjrrr,pass='fgdgfgf',ip=192.168.4.21 //192.168.4.21/Musik /mnt
Jan 18 10:42:18 <DocScrutinizer05> actually for "allow guests" share, the password isn't needed :-)
Jan 18 10:46:49 <ceene> great! :)
Jan 18 11:00:37 <DocScrutinizer05> but for flac it doesn't really work. Dropouts
Jan 18 11:01:18 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno if WLAN or CPU is the culprit
Jan 18 11:12:54 <DocScrutinizer05> what's the average assumed bandwidth of flac?
Jan 18 11:13:08 <bencoh> "a lot"
Jan 18 11:13:24 <bencoh> ask ffmpeg/ffprobe :)
Jan 18 11:15:06 <DocScrutinizer05> seems a 16.5MB for 2:40
Jan 18 11:16:40 <DocScrutinizer05> so I don't think it's WLAN bottleneck
Jan 18 11:19:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess I will google for a nice flac->mp3 transcode shellscript
Jan 18 11:21:14 <bencoh> why dont you copy a sample to eMMC?
Jan 18 11:41:07 <ceene> flac should be less cpu intensive i guess
Jan 18 12:03:32 <KotCzarny> i think oscp was happily playing flacs on n900
Jan 18 12:03:53 <KotCzarny> also, one can install sshd via cygwin on windoze
Jan 18 12:04:16 <KotCzarny> another way would be simply running some dlna server on windoze
Jan 18 12:04:54 <bencoh> ""simply"" krkrkr
Jan 18 12:04:58 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 18 12:05:37 <KotCzarny> http://www.topnettricks.com/dlna-media-servers-for-windows-8/
Jan 18 12:05:46 <KotCzarny> quite a number available
Jan 18 12:06:51 <KotCzarny> The quickest way to set up a Windows 8 DLNA Media Server is to use the one that comes with Windows 8.
Jan 18 12:06:59 <KotCzarny> even one is built in
Jan 18 12:41:37 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: the final goal is to cram 140GB of flac musik onto N900, so I'll convert it to mp3 anyway
Jan 18 12:43:49 <DocScrutinizer05> oops, 171GB, mostly flac
Jan 18 13:16:20 <KotCzarny> mp3 is suck
Jan 18 13:22:38 <L29Ah> no
Jan 18 13:30:31 <DocScrutinizer05> why
Jan 18 13:38:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ceene: N900 plays local flac just fine
Jan 18 13:40:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I already wonder if maybe my workstation or the router or AP have some hiccup. after all Amarok eats quite some CPU and disk IO BW for rebuilding database, for example
Jan 18 13:42:38 <ceene> that could be
Jan 18 13:44:07 <DocScrutinizer05> then I actually opened up some 137.138 ports to the neighbour network for my friend to also access the musik dir, and I don't know how much his stuff would interfere
Jan 18 13:45:19 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway access is pretty inconvenient after all, via "file" plugin in mediaplayer
Jan 18 13:46:07 <DocScrutinizer05> this would probably be the first usecase where I could see some small benefit from this tracker abomination
Jan 18 13:58:39 <bencoh> or you can use cmus or any other non-mediaplayer-based player :)
Jan 18 14:00:43 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 18 14:01:43 <APic> B-)
Jan 18 14:14:00 <Vajb> i used amarok till my music collection grew over 20k. Then amarok became unusable slow
Jan 18 14:14:21 <Vajb> rhythmbox works better with huge collection IMO
Jan 18 14:16:57 <KotCzarny> vajb, oscp handless hundreds of thousands playlists just fine ;)
Jan 18 14:17:36 <KotCzarny> (couldn't resist)
Jan 18 14:21:51 <Vajb> i bet it does =)
Jan 18 14:22:19 <Vajb> but, it wasn't available when i was looking for replacment of amarok
Jan 18 14:22:28 <Vajb> like ten years back
Jan 18 14:23:11 <Vajb> oscp=overly spammed cute player (couldn't resist either)
Jan 18 14:24:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 18 15:03:17 <Sicelo> haha Vajb. interesting :D
Jan 18 15:06:55 <joga> years ago when I still cared to have a music library, I used quodlibet
Jan 18 15:18:40 <DocScrutinizer05> Amarok is braindead, it sorts .mp3 and .flac of similar filenames into same album, even when they are located in two completely different filesystem dirs. Sounds almost as brainfscked as tracker
Jan 18 15:20:07 <bencoh> :]
Jan 18 15:24:47 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/18/plasma-desktopaJ3616.png
Jan 18 15:28:06 <DocScrutinizer05> and just like tracker, you can't search (or select) for pathname of file, so there's no way to edit file properies like Artist, Title, Albumname etc based on the property "is inside directory "file:///home/jr/Musik/Massive_Attack/[1998] Mezzanine"
Jan 18 15:31:53 <DocScrutinizer05> note how even actually different filenames ('01. Angel.mp3' versus '01-Angel.flac') can convince Amarok to not merge both files into one virtual Album
Jan 18 15:34:47 <ceene> collection based players are broken
Jan 18 15:34:53 <ceene> by design
Jan 18 15:34:54 <DocScrutinizer05> OTOH "file:///home/jr/Musik/Massive_Attack/Massive Attack Discography @ 320 (9 Albums + 5 Singles)(TripHop)(by dragan09)/Other albums/2006 - Massive Attack - Collected (Japanese Import)/CD 1/*"  shows up under "unknown Artist" "Album: CD1"
Jan 18 15:35:14 <ceene> there are so many variables that the player needs to take into account
Jan 18 15:35:24 <ceene> that when one is missing results in a nonsense collection
Jan 18 15:36:00 <DocScrutinizer05> heuristics made by fools
Jan 18 15:37:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I wouldn't complain if I could click on the dir in amarok's "files" dirtree-view and edit the properties of the files in there. But Nooooo, you only can edit properties in collection
Jan 18 15:40:54 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/18/plasma-desktopZF3616.png  :-((
Jan 18 15:43:15 <ceene> you can always request the feature
Jan 18 15:43:25 <DocScrutinizer05> no damn clue what Amarok does, but I guess even when I'd rename the dirs completely, heck even when I'd rename the files completely, it probably still would look up a hash or whatever of the file in an online database and decide they both are named "01 angel" and belong into a virtual Album "Mezzanine"
Jan 18 15:47:39 <KotCzarny> ceene, if one has his music library sorted by genre/artist/album/ (which is a case usually), library based players lose
Jan 18 15:48:04 <KotCzarny> if one has files from the same album scattered over the place, imagine, very messy person trying to find anything
Jan 18 16:00:34 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL segfault
Jan 18 16:38:28 <Sicelo> i don't sort my music. all in one big directory, unless it already came as a directory. in short, i don't have complete albums (which is generally the reason one has directories). or in other words, yes, basically all my music is pirated/shared from someone else =)
Jan 18 16:39:31 <Sicelo> tbh, i have at one time tried to sort in that scheme proposed by KotCzarny .. got tedious very fast
Jan 18 16:43:05 <Sicelo> i therefore say both types of players (directory-based vs. database) have their strengths and weaknesses.
Jan 18 16:43:48 <KotCzarny> sicelo, you can start with genre, it usually makes listening more enjoyable and tuned to current mood
Jan 18 16:43:50 <Sicelo> at least they all do their main job ... play music 
Jan 18 16:44:02 <KotCzarny> generic for me is techno/not-techno
Jan 18 16:44:03 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jan 18 16:44:09 <KotCzarny> then subgenres
Jan 18 16:45:28 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: will redo ... but i've found most of the music i get already has ID3 tags ... so, you can imagine
Jan 18 16:47:00 <KotCzarny> sicelo, sure, i have ~300GB of music, most is categorized (but not all is tagged)
Jan 18 16:47:01 <Sicelo> 01 Trck 01.mp3, 1081163455.mp3 .. just found those in my music (N900) .. i don't even know what they are :)
Jan 18 16:47:08 <Sicelo> but tracker knows :p
Jan 18 16:47:24 <KotCzarny> you can run tag-batch-renamer
Jan 18 16:47:29 <KotCzarny> problem solved :P
Jan 18 16:47:52 <KotCzarny> and i have directories named 'unsorted'
Jan 18 16:48:00 <Sicelo> except in my case there's no problem in first place. ;)
Jan 18 16:48:00 <KotCzarny> or 'mule-new'
Jan 18 16:48:13 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 18 16:48:25 <Sicelo> i already have genre, artist, album.. all there in that meaningless file name
Jan 18 16:48:51 <Sicelo> but yeah, i'm not saying there's problem with directory player :)
Jan 18 16:49:04 <Sicelo> i'll try sort my music one of these days
Jan 18 16:49:15 <KotCzarny> you dont have to do it all at once
Jan 18 16:49:41 <Sicelo> tag batch renamer is python? or something else? available for N900?
Jan 18 16:49:50 <KotCzarny> just made up some name
Jan 18 16:49:58 <KotCzarny> but there are tools that do such thing
Jan 18 16:49:58 <Sicelo> i play my music only on N900 currently.. 
Jan 18 16:50:01 <Sicelo> ah, hehe
Jan 18 16:50:07 <KotCzarny> i can give you my c program
Jan 18 16:50:21 <KotCzarny> crude and written in my early years, but does the jub
Jan 18 16:50:39 <Sicelo> as long as it can run on N900, sure.
Jan 18 16:50:47 <KotCzarny> its a simple console tool
Jan 18 16:50:57 <KotCzarny> so would run everywhere where is c compiler
Jan 18 16:51:31 <Sicelo> okay
Jan 18 16:52:15 <Sicelo> which reminds me to fix one of the songs i have here .. bad tag
Jan 18 16:56:36 <Sicelo> a positive side effect of tagging is lyric download for those players implementing this (e.g. OMP)
Jan 18 16:57:53 <KotCzarny> ahm, my tool was working other way round
Jan 18 16:58:07 <KotCzarny> it tried to parse path/filename to batch tag
Jan 18 16:58:41 <KotCzarny> but there are console tag renamers
Jan 18 17:00:55 <Sicelo> slightly OT .. but sometimes i have problem deciding exact genre of a song. i mostly lisen to reggae & rock, and the variations here are a little too muc. or i'm complicating matters?
Jan 18 17:01:29 <KotCzarny> what is the question?
Jan 18 17:01:40 <KotCzarny> you want to map some genres to simpler genres?
Jan 18 17:01:44 <pigeons> yes you are thinking too much, there is no good answer
Jan 18 17:02:12 <Sicelo> i think pigeons got it
Jan 18 17:03:16 <Sicelo> reggae --> dancehall, dub, roots .. i have no really good idea what's what :)
Jan 18 17:03:25 <Sicelo> rcok is even worse
Jan 18 17:03:39 <Sicelo> but yeah, i'll just stick to main,
Jan 18 17:03:43 <KotCzarny> sicelo, my approach 'reggae/rock/other'
Jan 18 17:03:45 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jan 18 17:04:03 <KotCzarny> ie. create 3 main folders
Jan 18 17:04:13 <KotCzarny> then you can differentiate more
Jan 18 17:05:23 <Sicelo> how do you deal with songs that appeared in different albums? :)
Jan 18 17:05:31 <Sicelo> use 'first'?
Jan 18 17:05:57 <KotCzarny> i usually delete copies that are outside albums
Jan 18 17:06:05 <KotCzarny> unless its a remix or cover
Jan 18 17:06:44 <KotCzarny> so, if you have an album and its logical structure matters, use it, if not, just copy to artist subdir
Jan 18 17:35:10 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm only listening to full albums. And often the gaps/breaks between songs suck big time
Jan 18 17:38:59 <Sicelo> we don't have a gapless player on N900, do we?
Jan 18 17:40:49 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, we don't. But sometimes even 'gapless' doesn't help, when already the artists fucked up the remix, and then the flakes rushed over and wrecked it some more:  http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/18/plasma-desktopTS3616.png
Jan 18 17:41:51 <KotCzarny> sicelo: problem with alternative players on n900 is that display events can introduce skips
Jan 18 17:42:03 <KotCzarny> as for gapless its still in my todo
Jan 18 17:43:56 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: even when using mafw?
Jan 18 17:44:17 <KotCzarny> i dont use mafw, but when i tried gstreamer it behaved the same
Jan 18 17:44:29 * Sicelo checks out DocScrutinizer05's music .. never heard of that
Jan 18 17:44:48 <KotCzarny> sicelo: alt rock
Jan 18 17:45:06 <KotCzarny> though its more experimental
Jan 18 17:45:27 <KotCzarny> brain eno and robert fripp
Jan 18 17:45:31 <KotCzarny> *brian
Jan 18 17:47:24 <Sicelo> https://medium.com/@ryanolsonk/is-apple-using-swift-4a6c80f74599#.3ucuasd2z  <--- interesting. we're happy to receive 'junk' because it's free :D
Jan 18 17:48:52 <Sicelo> got a bit of that music on youtube now. are there any good streaming music sites around? or everything is geared toward video?
Jan 18 17:48:55 <DocScrutinizer05> https://kat.cr/brian-eno-discography-1968-2011-99-albums-solo-with-and-participations-mp3-320k-mostly-tags-covers-rar-t6863641.html
Jan 18 17:49:39 <KotCzarny> sicelo, there was last.fm, but it was bought out and went down the drain
Jan 18 17:50:17 <KotCzarny> there might be more sites like this, otoh you can always listen to internet radio
Jan 18 17:50:20 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: Bowie, Eno, Fripp... and the awesome projects they participated
Jan 18 17:51:31 <DocScrutinizer05> you know, Bowie's 'Heroes' would be nothing without Fripp
Jan 18 17:52:57 <Sicelo> hmm, it's a nice song. didn't know it :)
Jan 18 17:53:15 <DocScrutinizer05> add a tad (a huuge tad) of Zappa on top
Jan 18 17:56:04 <DocScrutinizer05> plus the standards (though usually I prefer the early stuff) from bands like Genesis, Pink floyd, Tangerine Dream, Kraftwerk...  Lots of Newwave
Jan 18 17:56:37 <KotCzarny> sicelo: if you like artistic rock check out 'king crimson'
Jan 18 17:56:49 <KotCzarny> they do concept albums
Jan 18 17:56:55 <KotCzarny> pretty awesome at that too
Jan 18 17:57:03 <Sicelo> checking it out right away
Jan 18 17:57:21 <KotCzarny> but their style was changing over the years
Jan 18 17:57:37 <KotCzarny> larks tongues in aspic is pretty smooth
Jan 18 17:57:59 <KotCzarny> and i bet you know '20th century schizoid man' from another album
Jan 18 17:58:19 <Sicelo> no. didn't :D
Jan 18 17:58:29 <Sicelo> am listening to that one currently
Jan 18 17:58:54 <Sicelo> i'm more 'classical' .. listen to Dylan, Procol Harum, Queen, etc.
Jan 18 17:59:22 <KotCzarny> so closer to pop songs then 'classical' in the sense of musical-painting ?
Jan 18 17:59:29 <DocScrutinizer05> all on my list as well :-)
Jan 18 17:59:44 <DocScrutinizer05> well, Dylan maybe not that much
Jan 18 18:01:14 <Sicelo> that's the problem KotCzarny. is it pop? i personally wouldn't consider Procol any closer to Celine Dion for example .. but this is exactly the issue i was talking about earlier .. i wonder if there could be a definitive classification of songs 
Jan 18 18:01:30 <DocScrutinizer05> https://kat.cr/usearch/frank zappa absolutely free/
Jan 18 18:01:32 <KotCzarny> i didnt say its pop, but more in that direction
Jan 18 18:01:46 <KotCzarny> ie. accessible by regular joe
Jan 18 18:01:47 <Sicelo> Tongues in Aspic  is cool. liking it :)
Jan 18 18:01:58 <KotCzarny> sicelo, grab all of king crimson then
Jan 18 18:02:03 <KotCzarny> and listen WHOLE albums
Jan 18 18:02:06 <DocScrutinizer05> oh yeah
Jan 18 18:02:19 <DocScrutinizer05> Lark's tongues even
Jan 18 18:02:34 * Sicelo going to become worse pirate than he already is here, haha
Jan 18 18:02:38 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 18 18:02:47 <KotCzarny> i have quite a lot of king crimson cds
Jan 18 18:02:56 <KotCzarny> also, grab lossless
Jan 18 18:03:01 <DocScrutinizer05> find "Red" !
Jan 18 18:03:08 <KotCzarny> it really makes a difference
Jan 18 18:03:19 <KotCzarny> more depth
Jan 18 18:03:33 <KotCzarny> and space is cheap nowadays
Jan 18 18:03:51 <Sicelo> you need the equipment too, however
Jan 18 18:04:08 <Sicelo> i.e. speakers
Jan 18 18:04:09 <KotCzarny> yes, but even on middle-lower tier audio you can hear the difference
Jan 18 18:04:20 <KotCzarny> (not counting crapspeakers for pc)
Jan 18 18:04:42 <DocScrutinizer05> first 8 records of King Crimson are all excellent
Jan 18 18:05:46 <DocScrutinizer05> when adrian Belew(?) joined, it got a tad too err mainstream?
Jan 18 18:07:13 <KotCzarny> offtopic, hdmi->vga converter eats ~40mA
Jan 18 18:08:02 <Sicelo> one thing i hate with N900+tracker is that there's no mechanism to request/initiate reindexing. tracker-processes -r then opening mediaplayer is not efficient imo (yes, tracker as a whole is inefficient, i know)
Jan 18 18:08:17 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: i think I read yesterday "hdmi->vga converter eats ~40mA" when talking about raspberry pi :)
Jan 18 18:08:30 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: banana pi here
Jan 18 18:09:02 <KotCzarny> i was afraid it would be drawing ~250mA as the seller description stated, but 40 is ok
Jan 18 18:09:07 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: great, to know it
Jan 18 18:09:46 <sunshavi> on n800 y play my mp3 collection using gstreamer on emacs/emms
Jan 18 18:09:51 <KotCzarny> but i measure with crappy 'charge doctor'
Jan 18 18:10:16 <Sicelo> on subject of power consumption .. does someone know how much extra draw tv-out adds (N900)?
Jan 18 18:10:38 <KotCzarny> sicelo, run bq script then enable tv?
Jan 18 18:10:51 <KotCzarny> s/run/run in loop/
Jan 18 18:10:51 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: sicelo, run in loop bq script then enable tv?
Jan 18 18:10:57 <KotCzarny> s/run/run in loop mode/
Jan 18 18:10:58 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: sicelo, run in loop mode bq script then enable tv?
Jan 18 18:11:05 <Sicelo> don't have tv :D
Jan 18 18:11:08 <KotCzarny> :)
Jan 18 18:11:19 <KotCzarny> got anything with composite input?
Jan 18 18:11:23 <KotCzarny> vcr?
Jan 18 18:11:28 <KotCzarny> set top box?
Jan 18 18:11:43 <KotCzarny> grabber card in pc?
Jan 18 18:12:03 <Sicelo> nop. will test at work with my monitor
Jan 18 18:13:54 <sunshavi> KotCzarny, where is the bq script?, I always have wanted to know the bluetooth power consumption on my NX00's
Jan 18 18:14:04 <KotCzarny> ~bq
Jan 18 18:14:08 <KotCzarny> ~bq27200
Jan 18 18:14:08 <infobot> hmm... bq27k-detail is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/bq27k-detail2, or ~bq27
Jan 18 18:14:16 <KotCzarny> ~bq27
Jan 18 18:14:17 <infobot> somebody said bq27 was http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/local/sbin/ bq27*, or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/
Jan 18 18:14:34 <KotCzarny> but its for n900
Jan 18 18:15:15 <KotCzarny> also, it might be that converter eats ~40mA, but connecting hdmi eats ~300mA
Jan 18 18:17:08 <KotCzarny> oh, wow, disconnecting hdmi cable oopses kernel :>
Jan 18 18:23:15 <Sicelo> sunshavi: wondering if that will work on N800 .. does it have the chip?
Jan 18 18:35:57 <sunshavi> Sicelo: no idea, let me test it
Jan 18 18:36:17 <sunshavi> and see what it happens
Jan 18 18:36:33 <sunshavi> s/it/
Jan 18 18:36:41 <KotCzarny> lsmod|grep bq
Jan 18 18:36:51 <KotCzarny> if you dont have it, dont bother further
Jan 18 18:37:03 <KotCzarny> but i think bq27200 was n900's only
Jan 18 18:38:00 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: according to lsmod You r right, that's the answer Sicelo
Jan 18 18:41:12 <sunshavi> That n900 is a unique piece of engineering: I want another one, somebody is coming to latin-america ;)
Jan 18 18:52:16 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: TV won't add significant power drain. For KC songs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvz8jtZ3f5s
Jan 18 19:03:13 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: you must  not listen to this song from shitty speakers. Use headphones!
Jan 18 19:04:28 <Sicelo> even headphones haha .. you need good ones
Jan 18 19:05:38 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: like these here, http://www.gsmarena.com/sennheiser_announces_new__50000_orpheus_headphones-blog-14846.php
Jan 18 19:32:04 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: hehe, well the *old* AKG K340 cans would do
Jan 18 20:02:38 <sunshavi> Is anyone using scratchbox2?
Jan 18 21:55:19 <digitalbum> hello!
Jan 18 21:55:53 <digitalbum> I have a quick question
Jan 18 21:56:40 <digitalbum> It's not urgent, but I would like to recompile FCamera with some slight changes
Jan 18 21:57:34 <digitalbum> It's a QT app. qmake is needed so I guess a scratchbox is required
Jan 18 21:58:46 <digitalbum> The question is, is there another way? Has anyone compliled a QT app on device?
Jan 18 22:00:39 <digitalbum> The changes are literally to the interface, changing the startup defaults basically
Jan 18 22:01:12 <bencoh> I'd rather use sb, but....
Jan 18 22:02:40 <digitalbum> I've seen endormeans' live distro, just low on bandwidth.l
Jan 18 22:03:15 <digitalbum> I think it'll be a good thing to have around anyway..
Jan 18 22:03:51 <bencoh> you can make your scratchbox vm from scratch
Jan 18 22:04:03 <bencoh> there is a wiki page about that
Jan 18 22:04:10 <digitalbum> bencoh: is that "but" means it's possible, I've setup gcc g++ on device
Jan 18 22:04:38 <digitalbum> Oh OK, not too keen on setting up VM at the mo'
Jan 18 22:04:43 <bencoh> I guess it's do-able, you'd need to install qt dev stuff
Jan 18 22:04:53 <bencoh> but I wouldnt do it
Jan 18 22:05:27 <digitalbum> Yep, cool, thanks heaps, what I wanted to hear
Jan 18 22:06:06 <digitalbum> I'll go with the live distro endsormeans made. Thx again
Jan 18 22:06:29 <digitalbum> later, take care all
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