**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 24 02:59:59 2016 Jan 24 03:14:54 * Sicelo cannot understand how people appreciate N900 only for Yappari/Whatsapp Jan 24 03:15:13 ceene is doing a great job with Yappari of course :) Jan 24 05:54:27 is maemo.org still the best place to find apps for the N900? Jan 24 07:40:19 sure Jan 24 07:40:52 ~pkg Jan 24 07:40:52 somebody said pkg was http://maemo.org/packages/ Jan 24 07:45:01 though, for generic search you are prolly better off with sth like https://www.google.de/search?q=site%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fmaemo.org%2F+whatsapp Jan 24 08:54:58 where's the link for the new whatsapp Jan 24 08:59:52 appmanager -> updates... Jan 24 09:01:18 btw lately omp has been unresponsive quite some time after start up. Anyone experiencing the same? Jan 24 09:01:35 strace it? Jan 24 09:01:55 strace omp? Jan 24 09:02:01 yes Jan 24 09:02:39 seems i don't have it installed Jan 24 09:02:51 essential for debugging Jan 24 09:04:15 will check first if apt has upgrade for omp Jan 24 09:04:58 there is quite a bit of upgrades... Jan 24 09:05:21 * Vajb is looking forward to new cssu version soonish Jan 24 09:06:21 :) Jan 24 09:09:13 34 upgrades but no omp Jan 24 09:09:20 will install strace Jan 24 09:11:28 hmm seems i don't have correct repo Jan 24 09:11:43 it's not in devel nor testing Jan 24 09:11:47 i think you can juts unpack bibary to /usr/local Jan 24 09:12:10 oh Jan 24 09:12:23 darn typos Jan 24 09:13:01 well while looking stra for app manager i stumpled on interesting sounding strategy game. So will try that instead lol Jan 24 09:13:14 :) Jan 24 09:13:20 gigalomania Jan 24 09:13:33 appman wont show you console apps i think Jan 24 09:13:39 use apt-get Jan 24 09:15:01 oh will try cache search to see Jan 24 09:15:37 yup there it is Jan 24 09:21:08 Vajb: cssu? testing or stable? Jan 24 09:22:04 testing Jan 24 09:22:34 also devel repo enabled so wont be doing apt upgrade Jan 24 09:22:49 altho im tempted coz of somany upgrades :p Jan 24 09:23:13 so i ran strace omp and it spit loads of stuff Jan 24 09:24:17 There have been updates to qt to increase loading times, have you noticed this with any other qt packages. Jan 24 09:25:16 I would strongly recommend you avoid -devel. Jan 24 09:25:26 well i tried facebrick which claims to be written in qt, but it was so slow i uninstalled it immediatelly Jan 24 09:27:08 vajb: you are interested in stalls or failed polls Jan 24 09:27:14 the whatsapp thing is in devel Jan 24 09:27:16 I believe my testing only device with all the devel packages, has started eat through battery recently but no idea why. Haven't had time to investigate. They are not for general consumption away. Jan 24 09:27:20 that';s the only reason I can still use this phone Jan 24 09:27:28 it hoses battery Jan 24 09:28:04 dont get confused between cssu-stable/testing/devel and Extras-stable/testing/devel Jan 24 09:28:15 i don't install many apps nor do apt-get upgrade and yes yappari is on devel Jan 24 09:28:29 I probably am getting confused Jan 24 09:28:53 I didn't mean to insult anyone who makes yappari, that's literally the only reason I can still use this phone Jan 24 09:29:11 but maybe it's 3g going all the time, but the battery is halved Jan 24 09:29:38 I can't even afford a modern phone if I wanted one. Jan 24 09:29:41 KotCzarny: can i do strace omp to some file? Jan 24 09:29:49 yes Jan 24 09:30:02 strace ompbinary >some/path 2>&1 Jan 24 09:30:22 strace -r ompbinary >some/path 2>&1 Jan 24 09:30:29 will add some timing info too Jan 24 09:30:32 but still as a rule:- devel is "in development" expect it to crash. -testing is "in testing" expect bugs and stable is well hopefully that. Jan 24 09:31:11 well i have all the repos =) Jan 24 09:31:19 extras and cssu Jan 24 09:31:26 testing and devel Jan 24 09:31:41 * Vajb got to get them all Jan 24 09:32:25 nothing goes to stable anymore Jan 24 09:32:28 there are what Jan 24 09:32:32 * sixwheeledbeast^ thorws a pokeball at Vajb Jan 24 09:32:33 200 300 users worldwide? Jan 24 09:32:42 :> Jan 24 09:33:03 vajb, you should either have devel or testing Jan 24 09:33:09 having both is pointless Jan 24 09:33:50 package don't get tested in extras so packages filtering through is slow. cssu updates require time to build and test by devs. Jan 24 09:33:58 i enabled them to get some latest programs Jan 24 09:36:58 >some/path = >/media/mmc1/omp.txt? Jan 24 09:40:26 answer to myself <- u got it right Jan 24 09:45:28 i have no idea what to look Jan 24 09:45:47 i search for failed and stall, but no result Jan 24 09:46:00 poll i did found in many instances Jan 24 09:47:01 think i'll have to open that on pc to get better view of it Jan 24 10:08:26 Nokia N900 media player stutters on webm 640x360 videos. Is it matter of RAM, CPU, bitrate, or decoding? Jan 24 11:28:39 oksana: probably cpu decoding Jan 24 11:29:28 vajb: if you see that it tries to poll the same resource thousands times per second, timing out, its one of the things to look for Jan 24 11:29:46 you can upload the file somewhere Jan 24 11:31:03 will look at it in computer. Text in bigger screen makes more sense to me and it's easier to pick patterns Jan 24 11:31:21 just tomorrow don't have access to it Jan 24 11:33:47 and to jump some other matter. I saw some discussion about pidgin and facebook and what i understood was it's not gonna happen. Sad times. Tho i posted complaint to facebook for dropping xmmp support. I know it's not gonna make a difference, but at least i spoke it out loud for them. Jan 24 11:33:55 vajb: curl --upload-file some/path http://transfer.sh/ Jan 24 11:39:31 will that contain some sensitive info? I mean strace omp Jan 24 11:39:40 shouldn't Jan 24 11:39:50 unless omp does something funky Jan 24 11:40:06 its all about media files only, right? Jan 24 11:40:49 media files but also internet radio streaming Jan 24 11:41:11 are you using some paid/private servers? Jan 24 11:41:24 or something to be ashamed of? :> Jan 24 11:41:46 nah Jan 24 11:41:59 meh seems i don't have curl Jan 24 11:43:41 offtopic, i'm playing with banana/orange pi Jan 24 11:43:44 hmm seems it's not doing anything Jan 24 11:44:09 and wonderful thing is that it's using current official debian repo (+some repos for device specific things) Jan 24 11:44:27 and just having ANY debian app running in no time feels great Jan 24 11:44:57 so i guess once n900 receives current glibc and kernel it would be similar feeling Jan 24 11:45:40 i guess it's not quite "holding your breath" phase yet ;) Jan 24 11:46:13 Slightly more than glibc and kernel. Maemo isn't derived from Debian, so you can't just randomly install Debian packages on it. Jan 24 11:46:18 https://transfer.sh/12Npqa/omp.txt Jan 24 11:46:28 there goes Jan 24 11:46:29 Maxdamantus: works form e Jan 24 11:46:48 maxd, i was thinking about similar integration, debian + some maemo specific bits Jan 24 11:47:24 Wizzup: coincidentally in some cases, sure. Jan 24 11:48:06 Wizzup: because a bunch of packages have the same names and happen to have similar installation layouts (since it's usually the same across distributions anyway) Jan 24 11:49:04 I really don't want to go down the same path/discussion again Jan 24 11:51:56 Okay, but just because I can force install things with dpkg on Gentoo and have them work doesn't mean it's a good thing to do. Jan 24 11:52:54 maxd: i've said about having some distro (put debian as an example) working with a layer of n900 specific bits Jan 24 11:52:57 sure. I would say the same about recent debian packages on a very old debian Jan 24 11:55:06 KotCzarny: yeah, that would be okay. Maemo should just consist of a bunch of distro-agnostic components. Jan 24 11:55:14 yup Jan 24 11:55:37 it can include wm, but should work with generic wm too Jan 24 12:33:30 what about arch Jan 24 12:33:51 I've had problems with literally every distro and their stupid little things that they're precious about Jan 24 12:34:05 recently changed to arch, that's the end of distro hopping. Jan 24 12:35:33 thank fuck. Jan 24 12:39:15 what about an actual unix system Jan 24 12:39:17 like openbsd Jan 24 12:39:26 I want a rainbow bikeshed Jan 24 12:39:39 kerio, go ahead and port it Jan 24 12:39:46 unless it can run under linux kernel Jan 24 12:39:57 fishbulb: not sure why you're cursing, but ok Jan 24 12:40:10 I find quite some distros ok, arch breaks too often for me personally Jan 24 12:40:12 because I have a potty mouth and curse all the time Jan 24 12:40:20 debian seems by far the best choice here Jan 24 12:40:28 Also the easiest Jan 24 12:40:33 I found debian to be one of the worst Jan 24 12:40:39 great, run arch on your n900. Jan 24 12:40:40 also systemd ridden, unfortunatelly Jan 24 12:40:48 but that was their philosophy behind laptop stuff Jan 24 12:40:50 KotCzarny: devuan/debian same thing when it comes to packaging :) Jan 24 12:40:54 I mean computer distros Jan 24 12:41:06 wizzup, but important thing to keep in mind Jan 24 12:41:06 fishbulb: why are you even suggesting arch then? we are talking about maemo on the n900 Jan 24 12:41:22 KotCzarny: I use gentoo mostly, with openrc (also on n900) Jan 24 12:41:25 I dunno, not really related are they Jan 24 12:41:27 but yeah, sure Jan 24 12:41:47 KotCzarny: if you want I can poke jaromil at the office this week and see if they are interested in n900 port(s) Jan 24 12:41:51 I mean debian is supposed to be stable Jan 24 12:42:10 wizzup, we first need working mainline kernel Jan 24 12:42:17 yes :) Jan 24 12:42:25 KotCzarny: many things are working on mainline kernel Jan 24 12:42:31 what's mainline Jan 24 12:43:01 like "the" linux kernel? Jan 24 12:43:13 fishbulb: any kernel that is still supported status on kernel.org mostly Jan 24 12:43:23 or you can just think 'newest' Jan 24 12:43:58 ok. will that ever happen on an obscure 7+ year old "phone" ? Jan 24 12:44:14 pali and fmg are working on it Jan 24 12:44:37 someone was working on arch and it never worked Jan 24 12:44:38 (and some other folks) Jan 24 12:45:46 I have 4.1-rc2 running on my n900 Jan 24 12:45:51 should rebuild using the latest sources Jan 24 12:46:18 by 'working' I think KotCzarny means: make maemo work with mainline kernel Jan 24 12:46:21 I think you think people use arch becuase "it's the latest and best and whatever" and gamers use it too Jan 24 12:46:35 fishbulb: great, but this is maemo - just go to the arch fan channel? Jan 24 12:46:36 personally I find it unflavoured Jan 24 12:46:48 I'm not a fan though Jan 24 12:46:52 I hate it the least :) Jan 24 12:47:09 well, you keep bringing it up in unrelated discussions :) Jan 24 12:47:25 ok I'm trying to clear my name as a fanboy Jan 24 12:47:26 Wizzup: Jaromil is aware Jan 24 12:47:32 since at least 5 months Jan 24 12:47:38 I know Jan 24 12:48:11 tell him that all the rest of life isn't important and people want this stuff now Jan 24 12:49:07 whatever happened to PDAs Jan 24 12:49:35 how come there aren't little things with keyboards that do a lot of things, we have smudgy touchscreen pieces of crap Jan 24 12:49:38 it's what apes would design Jan 24 12:49:59 I'm pushing since 12 months to 'rebase' maemo to devuan, since debian is no longer compatible to maemo Jan 24 12:50:02 kids prefer finger pointing Jan 24 12:50:17 electronics mostly sells to kids (and grown kids) Jan 24 12:50:21 I'm not a fan of kids Jan 24 12:50:30 they shouldn't have anything Jan 24 12:50:37 KotCzarny: well, at least my 10yo daughter prefers kbd :) Jan 24 12:50:38 maybe calculators Jan 24 12:50:53 fmg: what about 6yo ? ;) Jan 24 12:51:19 with some "encouragement" Jan 24 12:51:22 and I really doubt those keyboardless devices are what lusers prefer, they just have no option Jan 24 12:51:31 and it is waaay easier to be manifactured Jan 24 12:51:35 kids are pliable and can learn anything Jan 24 12:51:43 *manufactured Jan 24 12:51:46 the entire earth is being dumbed down Jan 24 12:51:47 fmg, well, there are quite many droids with hw kb Jan 24 12:52:02 example, please Jan 24 12:52:05 like which ones?!! Jan 24 12:52:06 it's just that those are bigger Jan 24 12:52:11 I'd get one immediately! Jan 24 12:52:25 the last one was when? 5 years ago? Jan 24 12:52:31 freemangordon: there was a 'no holes, no keys' paradigm back in ~2007 Jan 24 12:52:35 that one sucked Jan 24 12:52:44 http://thedroidguy.com/2014/03/top-7-android-smartphones-physical-qwerty-keyboards-87556 Jan 24 12:53:26 freemangordon: ..most likely right from Jobs' arse Jan 24 12:53:50 http://www.cnet.com/news/great-qwerty-smartphones-for-texting-enthusiasts-roundup/ Jan 24 12:54:05 those are all terrible Jan 24 12:54:08 KotCzarny: comeon, BB is not a real qwerty Jan 24 12:54:17 fishbulb: :nod: Jan 24 12:54:34 motorola? Jan 24 12:54:39 this is the last of the v8 interceptors and it came out with a 4 cylinder at the time :/ Jan 24 12:54:41 I'm not one of the Apple followers that think each concept Apple ever came up with is the crown of ingenuity Jan 24 12:54:42 it even has shift and tab Jan 24 12:54:44 KotCzarny: Announced 2012, July Jan 24 12:55:09 I can only see one use for apple products Jan 24 12:55:10 where are your new devices? Jan 24 12:55:18 didnt say NEW Jan 24 12:55:28 (14,52,23) freemangordon: the last one was when? 5 years ago? Jan 24 12:55:44 well, 2016-2012 == 4 Jan 24 12:55:46 :) Jan 24 12:55:47 great Jan 24 12:55:50 that is if you are some kind of world travelling coder, need an IDENTICAL computer anywhere in the world at like 3am, and have to buy it then and there and install your own stuff on it Jan 24 12:56:23 you can get apple crap anywhere and you'll get the same product without having to wait Jan 24 12:56:58 System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (15-inch, Retina, Late 2013) • CPU: Intel Core i7-4850HQ (8 Threads, 4 Cores) @ 2.30 GHz • Memory: 16,00 GB • Uptime: 2 days • Disk Space: 337,99 GB • Graphics: Intel Iris Pro, NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M • Screen Resolution: 1440 x 900 (HiDPI Mode) • OS: OS X El Capitan (Version 10.11.3, Build 15D21) Jan 24 12:57:06 KotCzarny: no kbd phones are easier ot mfg. and who rally cares what iusers want, anyway those will be outdated in 6-12 moths. IMO Jan 24 12:57:08 otherwise, a customised thinkpad is the computer for me. because I can wait Jan 24 12:57:25 http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Internet/QWERTY+keyboard#/phones/Internet/QWERTY+keyboard Jan 24 12:57:29 some are from 2014 Jan 24 12:57:33 who doesn't like matt black Jan 24 12:57:47 (not saying they are great, but you wanted rel dates) Jan 24 12:57:50 batman likes matt black Jan 24 12:58:02 sort by date after opening link Jan 24 12:58:23 the n900 is not AS BAD as all of those phones are Jan 24 12:58:54 Should I take the latest linux kernel from pali's repo for more mainline testing? Jan 24 12:59:00 but i'm not arguing they are great, i've just said there are kb phones released Jan 24 12:59:29 I don't get why there aren't little extremely powerful devices with keyboards available Jan 24 13:00:00 fishbulb: i think you need subnotebook with current i5/i7 Jan 24 13:00:08 netbooks were popular, but not very good Jan 24 13:00:13 Wizzup: I am thinking to pester him to upgrade to 4.5-rc1, there are more stuff upstreamed Jan 24 13:00:17 They don't cater to arch users with potty mouths? :) Jan 24 13:00:25 freemangordon: cool! ok Jan 24 13:00:25 because of lusers Jan 24 13:00:29 what's a subnotebook? I'm already using an "ultraportable" Jan 24 13:00:58 A subnotebook (also called an ultraportable or mini notebook) is a class of laptop computers that are smaller and lighter than a typical notebook. Jan 24 13:01:02 12" screen, it's good enough for everything, it's even slightly too big for my backpack Jan 24 13:01:11 yeah, I'm using one now Jan 24 13:01:32 x220t Jan 24 13:01:55 it's a good size for a "laptop" Jan 24 13:02:42 I have a gaming "laptop" that's like a desktop replacement. that's good for power stuff. Jan 24 13:02:56 half an hour of battery. Jan 24 13:03:40 DocScrutinizer05: no, really, I think it is not the lusers to blame, what she can do if the only options in the store is a panful with no kbd? Jan 24 13:04:16 people can learn Jan 24 13:04:21 especially young people Jan 24 13:04:25 arguably right, my totally completely non-techy GF would prefer a N900 kbd Jan 24 13:04:51 my too, but she knows about that option because of you, correct? Jan 24 13:04:55 *mine Jan 24 13:04:58 it's old execs Jan 24 13:05:18 my dad is like 60 or whatever, and loves his ipad Jan 24 13:05:58 if he had to come up with his ideal computer, he'd probably just want a better ipad Jan 24 13:08:01 DocScrutinizer05: my daughter has about 4 android phones, but she took my GF's old n900 and this is the only phone she uses since then. But still, if she wasn't my daughter, where she would have learned from that anything else but iCrap and android exists? Jan 24 13:09:54 Pali: would you mind to rebase linux n900 on github to 4.5-rc1, so we can make new patches on recent codebase? like revisiot, etc Jan 24 13:10:05 *revision Jan 24 13:10:42 android is the lesser evil Jan 24 13:10:57 is it? Jan 24 13:11:09 it's linux "lite" Jan 24 13:11:17 and it's free. what's bad about it? Jan 24 13:11:29 ios is unix-lite :) Jan 24 13:11:47 ios is the enemy. Jan 24 13:11:58 whose enemy? Jan 24 13:12:03 why enemy? Jan 24 13:12:08 the planet Jan 24 13:12:09 ios is android's enemy Jan 24 13:12:35 more like android is ios's enemy, and in that situation, you can almost trust them Jan 24 13:12:36 plus Jan 24 13:12:41 the dev kit is totally free. Jan 24 13:12:46 anyone can make android apps Jan 24 13:12:46 xcode is free Jan 24 13:12:58 android is slightly more transparent Jan 24 13:13:13 there's the whole cyanogenmod thing Jan 24 13:13:22 fishbulb: because linux people cannot pull themselves together and bring a descent phone distro out, it doesn't mean apple is evil. Jan 24 13:13:35 TBH i'd rather say google is evil Jan 24 13:13:39 You can make iOS apps for free .. you just can't use them without having your device tethered to your computer, last I knew. Jan 24 13:14:01 I haven't really heard about the suicide nets and other horrific shit to do with android devices Jan 24 13:14:06 Maxdamantus: so? don't buy iPhone :) Jan 24 13:14:11 it's the LESSER evil Jan 24 13:14:13 fishbulb: lmao Jan 24 13:14:17 IOS and apple is the enemy Jan 24 13:14:24 not mine Jan 24 13:14:37 it's the whole planet's enemy Jan 24 13:14:43 System Information: Model: MacBook Pro (15-inch, Retina, Late 2013) • CPU: Intel Core i7-4850HQ (8 Threads, 4 Cores) @ 2.30 GHz • Memory: 16,00 GB • Uptime: 2 days • Disk Space: 337,99 GB • Graphics: Intel Iris Pro, NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M • Screen Resolution: 1440 x 900 (HiDPI Mode) • OS: OS X El Capitan (Version 10.11.3, Build 15D21) Jan 24 13:14:51 it's a bigger corporation than nearly anything Jan 24 13:14:55 that alone is bad. Jan 24 13:15:03 they only exist to make more profit by any means Jan 24 13:15:06 fishbulb: apple?!? Jan 24 13:15:11 they are totally the enemy. Jan 24 13:15:12 what about sammy? Jan 24 13:15:53 anyway /me is back to clock-ui Jan 24 13:15:57 whoever sammy is Jan 24 13:16:13 samsung Jan 24 13:16:28 I dunno. I have a nexus 7 Jan 24 13:16:30 it's alright. Jan 24 13:17:02 I don't have any other modern phones or use any of them Jan 24 13:17:17 I don't have any modern THINGS. apart from socks and undies Jan 24 13:17:54 what a pointless discussion Jan 24 13:17:58 all this technology has blood of less fortunate people all over it, I try to minimise that by making it work longer so I don't have to buy new crap Jan 24 13:18:35 fishbulb: word of the day for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence Jan 24 13:18:44 yeah thinkpads Jan 24 13:19:48 if schools land businesses use them, they're always gonna be around, and hopefully easily servicable Jan 24 13:20:16 times Jan 24 13:20:19 they are a changin Jan 24 13:21:16 it doesn't matter, as soon as trump is president we'll all either get superpowers from all the radiation, or like... the other thing you get from radiation Jan 24 13:21:32 362 days Jan 24 13:21:43 if trump becomes the president, you will get what you deserve Jan 24 13:21:49 (as a nation) Jan 24 13:21:59 um Jan 24 13:22:07 I live in australia Jan 24 13:22:55 whatever australians "deserve" I am not a citizen of here either Jan 24 13:25:19 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders how to handle http://wstaw.org/m/2016/01/24/plasma-desktopFW3616.png Jan 24 13:28:44 anyway, about the "blood of less fortunate people all over it" I tend to agree and Neo900 tries (and most likely succeeds) to not use any tantalum capacitors. That's about as good as it gets, apart from using a semi-refurbish scheme for people to upgrade their N900 Jan 24 13:34:12 handle a .jpg ? Jan 24 13:34:47 you can only try. I don't eat meat on purpose Jan 24 13:34:58 but threshers kill whole fields of animals Jan 24 13:35:26 there's probably animal parts in the vegetables I buy. I try not to eat rat faeces either but there's an accetable level of that in chocolate bars Jan 24 13:36:55 freemangordon: no 4.5-rc1 yet: https://www.kernel.org/ Jan 24 13:37:14 hmm, ok Jan 24 14:33:30 how much power should having 3g data on all the time use? Jan 24 14:33:44 is it actively connected and doing things constantly? Jan 24 14:34:46 because I went from over a day of normal use to maybe half a day using yappari every hour or so Jan 24 16:10:38 "having data on" is no criterion. frequency of packet sending/receiving, signal strength, and to a minor degree size of packets, is what counts for energy consumption Jan 24 16:12:19 particularly noteworth that for 3G there's virtually no difference between a 50byte ping every 2 seconds and a continuous data stream of several hundered kbit/s Jan 24 16:13:09 also it's virtually completely irrelevant if the data is inbound or outbound Jan 24 16:14:21 so yes, yappari as well as skype will most likely cause *massive* impact on energy consumption, no matter if idling or actively used Jan 24 19:07:02 KotCzarny: did you harvest any usefull data from my omp.txt? Jan 24 19:07:18 um, must have missed the link, can you repaste? Jan 24 19:07:35 https://transfer.sh/12Npqa/omp.txt Jan 24 19:07:52 i suppose it doesn't expire... Jan 24 19:08:05 i think it expires in a week Jan 24 19:11:36 wtf?! Konqueror linux killer Jan 24 19:13:25 argh, it opens so many images Jan 24 19:13:30 I really wonder what those coders smoked to come up with the idea to instantiate an object for each single char of a text Jan 24 19:18:05 i've succesfully booted pali's kernel Jan 24 19:18:17 which is something good, of course Jan 24 19:18:25 but i can't get usb0 up Jan 24 19:20:00 ceene: do you mean usb network? Jan 24 19:20:07 yes Jan 24 19:20:30 ceene: there is bug in musb: https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/1/9/69 Jan 24 19:20:46 ph Jan 24 19:20:46 oh Jan 24 19:21:09 i should subscribe to lkml and just read your posts Jan 24 19:21:09 call that echo and it should work Jan 24 19:21:43 let's try it :) Jan 24 19:29:36 vajb, that log was taken during startup and letting it idle for quite a bit? Jan 24 19:31:11 yes Jan 24 19:31:51 also i opened one artist and album to see when it came responsive Jan 24 19:37:55 root@portatil:/tmp/N900_RescueOS# ping 192.168.215.1 Jan 24 19:37:56 PING 192.168.215.1 (192.168.215.1) 56(84) bytes of data. Jan 24 19:37:56 64 bytes from 192.168.215.1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=64 time=0.901 ms Jan 24 19:37:57 :) Jan 24 19:45:52 vajb, hrm, nothing special in that log Jan 24 19:45:57 lots of images loading Jan 24 19:47:19 and those ioctl/read/write on 8 is 0.002289 socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 8 Jan 24 19:51:46 Pali: now i can telnet the n900, so extracting data and logs is feasible now Jan 24 19:51:53 do you have anything that would like me to test? Jan 24 19:52:21 just ask whenever something crosses your mind! Jan 24 19:53:40 ceene: I think nothing for testing... I already tested parts and sent emails about regressions :-) (one link above ^^^ ) Jan 24 19:53:52 what is needed is to finish drivers! Jan 24 19:54:11 i don't know if i can help much with this, though... Jan 24 19:54:59 look at red parts on http://elinux.org/N900 Jan 24 19:55:06 thats what is needed Jan 24 19:55:28 it's not very much, at least compared with what's already been done Jan 24 19:55:43 but i guess it's because the remaining bits are the most difficult, ain't them? Jan 24 19:57:20 status about camera: does not work for unknown reason Jan 24 19:57:44 broken between v3.5 and v3.8 Jan 24 19:58:24 that should be at least bisectable? Jan 24 19:58:40 very very hard, but should be Jan 24 19:58:42 vajb: cat omp.txt |awk '{ sum+=$1; print sum $0} END {print sum}' (will add execution time at the beginning) Jan 24 19:59:03 camera support in those versions was not part of mainline kernel Jan 24 19:59:18 i guess it exposes a video4linux device Jan 24 19:59:21 so bisecting would mean to apply all patches on top of commit for testing Jan 24 19:59:30 ceene: yes v4l2 device Jan 24 19:59:40 so maybe it's somewhat easier to read the datasheet and try to find any discrepancies Jan 24 19:59:43 but it use mediactl for config Jan 24 20:00:12 problem is that camera do not send data Jan 24 20:00:37 doesn't answer to anything or is it only video that is not working? Jan 24 20:00:58 I'd guess N900 camera support never will go to mainline, since it's yet another extremely unique design, with a mux switching two camera moodules to one SoC interface Jan 24 20:01:17 ceene: camera do not send any data Jan 24 20:01:33 move camera driver to userspace? Jan 24 20:01:34 that mux is not a big problem for mainline Jan 24 20:02:05 sre created virtual gpio driver which act as that "gpio" mux Jan 24 20:02:42 bluetooth status: original nokia driver was rejected and sre written new one (which use correct api), but for unknown reason do not work, just send unknown error Jan 24 20:02:50 well, the mux must get set correctly before the kernel driver starts initializing the cam module Jan 24 20:02:58 ok, i'll try to see if I understand something and, who knows, maybe dumb luck gets me somewhere :) Jan 24 20:03:44 ceene: what is missing is also ir driver Jan 24 20:04:03 CIR? Jan 24 20:04:05 driver is in mainline kernel but needs fixing for multiarch API Jan 24 20:04:27 yes, that rx51 cir driver Jan 24 20:06:06 ceene: that ir-rx51.c should be the easiest missing part Jan 24 20:06:10 some info on https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/1/2/61 Jan 24 20:08:07 i'll see what i can do... can't promise anything, thouh Jan 24 20:09:26 or something different... fix tidspbridge driver (for DSP video hw accel), currently there are compile errors so it is disabled Jan 24 20:09:50 on older kernels when there were no compile errors I think it worked Jan 24 20:10:41 compile errors are my favorite... just don't screw up anything! Jan 24 20:12:34 ceene: for enabling tidspbridge add these config options: CONFIG_TIDSPBRIDGE=m CONFIG_TIDSPBRIDGE_DVFS=y CONFIG_TIDSPBRIDGE_MEMPOOL_SIZE=0x600000 Jan 24 20:20:47 the first problem is it looks for some functions that do not exist anymore Jan 24 20:20:55 maybe i can trace when they were removed and what is the alternative Jan 24 20:24:02 well... Jan 24 20:24:06 ARM: OMAP2+: omap-pm-noop.c: Remove some unused functions Jan 24 20:24:11 This was partially found by using a static code analysis program called cppcheck. Jan 24 20:25:24 yes, needs to look into git log and find what those function did... Jan 24 20:26:26 anyway, omap-pm-* is somehow missing, now I sent email about it: https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/1/24/153 Jan 24 20:27:01 looks like you found same problem as me at same time :D Jan 24 20:27:14 yeah Jan 24 20:27:20 it looks like they were removed just because Jan 24 20:27:29 I think that omap-pm is some old api Jan 24 20:27:41 and noop implementation was there just was old drivers to compile Jan 24 20:27:49 no idea where is pm now.... Jan 24 20:28:40 if you are going to play with tidspbridge, disable CONFIG_TIDSPBRIDGE_DVFS first Jan 24 20:29:04