**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 05 02:59:59 2016 Feb 05 06:14:58 maxd: nokia or m$ phones? Feb 05 06:37:06 Nokia. Feb 05 06:37:13 Two N900s and an N97. Feb 05 06:40:27 n97? Feb 05 07:10:37 does anyone know if the ubuntu phones let you boot some other distro? Feb 05 07:13:53 Noone else bidded for it, so I won with NZ$2. Feb 05 07:14:53 lol Feb 05 07:14:57 good deal Feb 05 07:16:26 Twice the reserve price. Feb 05 07:16:36 hehe Feb 05 07:16:58 i bet shipping is more than the bid price Feb 05 07:17:26 It's the same seller as the N900, so it will probably be nothing. Feb 05 07:17:38 :) Feb 05 07:17:56 even better deal then Feb 05 07:18:21 port maemo to it ;) Feb 05 07:18:40 I'm getting the N900 so I don't have to use Maemo. Feb 05 10:38:06 About pulseaudio and phonecalls: is it possible to 'hijack' phonecall to give espeak-output (instead of mic) to phone-app? Feb 05 11:20:57 Is faxing theoretically possible with Nokia N900? Like, with efax or something, switching N900 to 2G for duration of fax sending maybe? https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36905&page=2 Feb 05 12:26:20 dear lord Feb 05 12:37:07 Oksanaa: (('hijack' phonecall)) sure, you just need to do the inverse of what e.g. recaller does Feb 05 12:40:23 fax over GSM is pretty much impossible. for (HS)CSD there was a fax and a data service flag. GPRS doesn't support any such fax sending anymore. AFAIK N900 BB5 modem doesn't support (HS)CSD, even *if* your carrier would still offer it Feb 05 12:41:30 Okay, is there a single xterminal line for recaller's action? Probably yes, but I have only orecchiette installed Feb 05 12:41:59 Would Neo900 modem be even less likely to support fax sending? Feb 05 12:42:00 your best bet to send a fax from N900 is to upload a pdf to a (SIP)provider who offers fax sending Feb 05 12:42:49 I admit I haven't even checked if the P*S8 modems still support HSCSD Feb 05 12:42:50 It would require Internet, and then email would be easier than fax (I think) Feb 05 12:43:40 Would be nice to check, given that some cellular providers do still (hopefully) offer fax Feb 05 12:44:05 you need to check if the offer HSCSD dialout Feb 05 12:44:06 I have seen video call (cellular Feb 05 12:44:19 as an option with my provider, at least Feb 05 12:45:06 basically HSCSD is a remote RS232 wire to a Hayes modem with fax function at carrier's exchange Feb 05 12:45:09 And 3G video calls are mostly out-of-date, too. So I am hoping that they offer Fax, too Feb 05 12:46:35 try "ATD" (without ; at end) Feb 05 12:47:09 when the call is made by a modem and you hear a beep when picking up the call, you actually can do HSCSD Feb 05 12:47:58 No landline. But can check with worklandline Feb 05 12:48:02 but again, afaik N900 doesn't support that Feb 05 12:48:37 N900 will always initiate a voice connection on ATD Feb 05 12:49:36 Where do I type this low-level modem command? Not-in-X-Term-directly, for sure. Feb 05 12:50:18 * Oksanaa does not remember where on wiki.maemo.org were modem commands described Feb 05 12:50:55 quote from PHS8: >>The Modem interface is intended particularly for circuit and packet switched transmission (HSDPA, GPRSCSD). << so yes, that sounds like Circuit Switched Data Feb 05 12:51:06 pnatd Feb 05 12:51:29 you need to close the xterm to end pnatd Feb 05 12:51:44 (or killall pnatd in another shell) Feb 05 12:56:24 The AT^SRTC read command returns the currently set ring tone melody and ring tone volume for the incoming s voice call, CSD call and SMS. Feb 05 12:57:58 you _need_ a dedicated data number different to your voicecall number for inbound CSD calls (receive FAX) Feb 05 12:58:28 though CSD and FAX are two separate though similar services Feb 05 12:58:41 lemme check if P*S8 actually supports FAX Feb 05 13:00:01 nope http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopUe3616.png Feb 05 13:04:25 Oksanaa: ideally you use T38 (http://www.3cx.com/pbx/t38/) with a app on the phone and a SIP provider that supports it Feb 05 13:08:07 or you actually just pull a pdf into the drop area on your SIP provider's "send fax" webpage Feb 05 13:09:09 PHS8-P: no fax; others? Hmm, if 3G video calls, and FMMS too, send images, then it should be possible to cellular-send an image, and have a gateway fax it to fax? Feb 05 13:09:29 Or, simpler: SMS-to-fax gateway Feb 05 13:09:36 sure thing Feb 05 13:09:44 see above Feb 05 13:10:57 * Oksanaa still thinks that espeak-hijacking would be absurdly useful. Unless bone-conduction headset allows to speak silently? Feb 05 13:11:49 Why Fax is still a thing in 2016 I will never understand Feb 05 13:12:09 http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopVP3616.png Feb 05 13:12:10 Its one of those technologies that seems to hang on despite being obsolete years ago :) Feb 05 13:12:37 Because SMS is short and expensive. Same for FMMS Feb 05 13:13:16 because FAX is the only thing that has a minimum sender authentication by phone number Feb 05 13:13:40 SMS doesn't replace fax, what replaces fax is email and IM and sending things over the internet Feb 05 13:14:28 also FAX is sync, so you get in implicit reception confirmation, which you print to a so called send report Feb 05 13:14:45 caller ID is easy to spoof Feb 05 13:15:15 such send protocol is a first evidence you actually sent the FAX, and the receiver has to prove he didn't receive it Feb 05 13:15:29 cellular internet could be the replacement... but some place are absurdly insistent on phone-calls-not-emails-thank-you. Not even SMS. Feb 05 13:15:48 Yeah fax i s still useful in cases where you need to sign something and send it back fast Feb 05 13:18:38 also it's actually an advantage that a FAX costs fees for the phonecall connection. This way FAX never seen such an amount of abuse by SPAM like e.g. email did Feb 05 13:19:31 Hmm, not sure how, but my google voice has SMS-to-email spam Feb 05 13:20:33 Not much, but two unsolicited spams in last week. Did Google Voice leak my gv number somewhere? Feb 05 13:23:01 and it's inherently slow which helps for the same Feb 05 13:28:21 generally FAX is cheaper than a simple letter and almost as reliable as a registered mail Feb 05 13:30:17 actually when you send the FAX via a service like http://wstaw.org/m/2016/02/05/plasma-desktopVP3616.png then it's even better than a registered mail, since you can prove *what* you've sent Feb 05 13:30:41 and when Feb 05 13:33:33 sobottom line: FAX is for legal stuff, contracts etc Feb 05 17:28:48 Pali: hi! finally onenand mystery is solved :). Could you remind me what I was supposed to do re system revision? Feb 05 17:29:04 freemangordon: hi! yes, got email Feb 05 17:29:19 I know, I put you in cc :) Feb 05 17:29:43 for the patch that is Feb 05 17:29:51 system revision: set it in rx51 code which call save_atags() Feb 05 17:30:13 it is passed by nolo as well? Feb 05 17:31:29 Pali: ok, besides sysrev, do we have something else minor to fix? Feb 05 17:31:44 yes it is in one ATAG Feb 05 17:32:10 so you need to parse it in code around save_atags() and set global variable system_rev (or how it is called) Feb 05 17:32:18 ok Feb 05 17:32:48 freemangordon: there is anther minor... get cpu freq values from kernel-power and add them to n900 DTS file Feb 05 17:33:17 now in DT booted kernel cpu freqs can be specified in DTS per board Feb 05 17:33:17 Pali: I doubt maintainers will alow us to put OC freqs there Feb 05 17:33:20 :) Feb 05 17:33:35 at least those non OC freq Feb 05 17:33:42 they are different from generic omap3 Feb 05 17:34:00 see patches in linux-n900 which fix that for legacy board code Feb 05 17:34:02 ok, will se what can I do about that Feb 05 17:34:10 ok Feb 05 17:34:26 I CCed one email about it Feb 05 17:34:57 Pali: ok, will find it when I come to it Feb 05 17:53:08 Pali: which tag do we want, ATAG_REVISION? Feb 05 17:56:26 freemangordon: yes Feb 05 17:56:30 ok Feb 05 17:59:58 Pali: "Revision : 0012" in qemu, ok? Feb 05 17:59:59 yes Feb 05 18:00:29 Pali: wanna send that patch for me, I won;t have time to do it now? Feb 05 18:01:03 currently I do not have time... Feb 05 18:01:14 ok, will send it when I have time then Feb 05 18:19:41 Pali: sent :) Feb 05 18:33:29 o.O :) Feb 05 23:40:25 hello Feb 05 23:42:11 anybody knows the file /var/log/maemo-optify-boottime.log ? Feb 05 23:44:42 its logging this message again and again Feb 05 23:45:06 MB free), quitting. Feb 05 23:45:07 1+0 records in Feb 05 23:45:07 1+0 records out Feb 05 23:45:07 512 bytes (512B) copied, 1.502015 seconds, 340B/s Feb 05 23:45:07 2016-01-17 20:48:56 :: not enough free space in /home (need at least 200 MB free), quitting. Feb 06 00:49:42 capitanocrunch: it's maemo-optify that tries to move stuff from NAND (/) to eMMC (/home) and obviously fails Feb 06 00:52:28 DocScrutinizer05: I know what you mean based on the context but eMMC uses NAND flash memory too. So does the SD card. Feb 06 00:52:32 make some free space on /home Feb 06 00:53:51 well, and Intergrated Circuits also use transistors, despite they are said to use gates Feb 06 00:57:41 Anyway, is the BlackBerry Priv currently the only model of handheld computer with integrated and converged cellular telephony capability (“smartphone”) that 1) natively runs the Android OS; 2) has an integrated hardware keyboard; and 3) has integrated LTE connectivity? Feb 06 00:59:59 The Priv is not the only model that meets 1) and 2) but I suspect that most of the other models are too old to meet 3). Feb 06 01:15:15 For example, the HTC myTouch 4G Slide from year 2011 meets 1) and 2) but not 3). **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 06 02:59:58 2016