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Feb 17 03:58:32 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: most likely they are, what else could it be - except maybe of pathname
Feb 17 04:02:28 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway maybe that helps: http://paste.opensuse.org/8002215
Feb 17 04:06:03 <DocScrutinizer05> the kid3 file open requester lists "filetype: All Supported Files (*.flac *.oga *.ogg)"
Feb 17 04:13:41 <DocScrutinizer05> mmmmpppph, asimov dropped me immediately after login, now on kornbluth again
Feb 17 04:56:11 <Jef91> Anyone know if there are still factory restore images for the n9 hosted somewhere online?
Feb 17 04:56:17 <Jef91> Links on the maemo wiki all appear to be dead
Feb 17 05:04:16 * Maxdamantus got one from some dodgy looking site.
Feb 17 05:05:03 <Maxdamantus> It'd be nice if there were checksums available somewhere.
Feb 17 05:05:14 <Jef91> Maxdamantus, got a link to said dodgy site? I sold my old n9 and want to wipe my data off of it with a clean install before I mail it out
Feb 17 05:06:50 <Maxdamantus> I didn't note it down.
Feb 17 05:12:10 <Maxdamantus> Actually, it looks like it was from some nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com location, but the URLs don't seem to work anymore.
Feb 17 05:13:39 <Maxdamantus> Host nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
Feb 17 05:14:24 <Jef91> urg
Feb 17 05:14:31 <Jef91> no idea how to get everything off this without something like that >.<
Feb 17 05:14:44 <Jef91> it has sailfish partitioned on to it and all sorts of toher stuff I can't remember doing
Feb 17 05:15:17 <Maxdamantus> How long do you have?
Feb 17 05:16:50 <Maxdamantus> I can make 59BEC3BC_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.13-7.SEAP_EMMC_SEAP.bin (1.9 GiB) and A6D5F456_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin (1.2 GiB) available at about 100 kB/s.
Feb 17 05:17:09 * Maxdamantus wonders what region those are.
Feb 17 05:17:13 <Jef91> Not shipping it out till tomorrow night
Feb 17 05:17:19 <Jef91> I have an unlocked  international n9
Feb 17 05:17:51 <Maxdamantus> I have a feeling it might depend where you want to use it too.
Feb 17 05:18:50 <Maxdamantus> because afaik there's some sort of firmware included for something to do with the modem.
Feb 17 05:19:04 <Jef91> ahh
Feb 17 05:19:14 <Jef91> I'm just going to try and manually remove all my stuff I think
Feb 17 05:19:17 <Jef91> and leave it to them to deal with it
Feb 17 05:21:06 <Maxdamantus> 005 - Asia/Pacific (incl. Australia/New Zealand, excl. China)
Feb 17 05:21:28 <Maxdamantus> Ah, they're apparently pretty much the same except for 003.
Feb 17 05:21:32 <Maxdamantus> (China)
Feb 17 05:21:49 <Maxdamantus> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82693
Feb 17 05:22:48 <Maxdamantus> Oh, the images are compressable.
Feb 17 05:22:48 <Jef91> well if you are willing to upload an image for me I'd take it
Feb 17 05:28:29 <Maxdamantus> Okay. Hang on.
Feb 17 05:28:58 <Jef91> Maxdamantus, don't worry about it
Feb 17 05:29:01 <Jef91> cleared enough to be happy
Feb 17 05:29:05 <Jef91> thanks for offering
Feb 17 05:29:11 <Jef91> I'm off - peace
Feb 17 05:29:42 <Maxdamantus> Okay then.
Feb 17 06:01:34 <Oksana> Sicelo: would gladly see an improvement over MussOrgsky. Especially if it was pure Gtk+C aka Hildon, without python.
Feb 17 06:04:37 <Maxdamantus> They compress to 1.3 GiB and 996 MiB anyway.
Feb 17 06:04:52 <Maxdamantus> (with `xz -9`)
Feb 17 08:13:06 <lobito> please allow access to the website via tor
Feb 17 08:29:21 <Maxdamantus> I'm uploading it to mega.
Feb 17 08:32:38 * Maxdamantus wonders what else there is that's convenient.
Feb 17 08:56:52 <bencoh> have you tried webarchive, by the way?
Feb 17 09:03:55 <Maxdamantus> I don't think that normally stores 2 GiB files.
Feb 17 09:04:57 <Maxdamantus> Oh wow, it does.
Feb 17 09:05:03 <Maxdamantus> https://web.archive.org/web/20131112195549/http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/p/d/fds_fire/1207/0312/7076665785/A6D5F456_DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_005-OEM1-958_ARM.bin
Feb 17 09:06:23 <Maxdamantus> Doesn't have the particular eMMC image though.
Feb 17 09:07:41 <Sicelo> Oksana: i've just reid tracker-info on an MP3 with a release year tag .. didn't pick it up
Feb 17 09:08:23 <Sicelo> Oksana: i use mid3v2 for tag editing on the N900. i don't remember why i stopped using mussorgsky
Feb 17 09:08:57 <Sicelo> oh wait,  'Audio:ReleaseDate' = '-189388800'
Feb 17 09:09:43 <Sicelo> i guess that's 1964? (at least N900 is not an iphone .. no bricking oncoming, haha)
Feb 17 09:10:43 <Maxdamantus> It's too even.
Feb 17 09:10:46 <Maxdamantus> Wed Jan  1 12:00:00 NZST 1964
Feb 17 09:13:49 <Sicelo> even?
Feb 17 09:15:14 <Sicelo> well, i edited that track myself, only put in the year. since tracker seems to prefer unix time, i guess there we can't conveniently express year alone? we've got to add date, even seconds :p
Feb 17 09:15:23 <Sicelo> linux sucks sometimes, i guess
Feb 17 09:15:42 <Maxdamantus> (6*365 + 2)*24*60*60 = -189388800
Feb 17 09:15:57 <Maxdamantus> er, s/-//
Feb 17 09:16:58 <Sicelo> so Oksana seems tracker sees those extra tags .. but our UI doesn't show them or use them
Feb 17 09:24:03 <bencoh> Maxdamantus: the archive team did a pretty good job on maemo/meego actually
Feb 17 09:24:24 <bencoh> (a tad late for meego, since half of it already disappeared, but still :)
Feb 17 09:26:56 <bencoh> oh, by the way.... https://web.archive.org/web/20141201075625/http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/
Feb 17 09:28:04 <bencoh> I dont know if everything needed for diablo is there
Feb 17 09:28:18 <bencoh> but I think it's worth checking
Feb 17 09:28:20 <bencoh> KotCzarny: ^
Feb 17 09:30:44 <Sicelo> if any of you could help me get a full datasheet of a chip OCC8001, i'd be much obliged. would give up my extra N900 even. talking about the full datasheet, not the 2 page info document that is on internet
Feb 17 09:31:01 <Sicelo> i tried as best as i could .. no luck :(
Feb 17 09:31:12 <jonwil> What is an OCC8001 exactly?
Feb 17 09:32:13 <Sicelo> a chip that controls what's called D2B bus .. it's an optic fibre based audio + control signal bus used on 1998-2002 Mercedes benz & jaguar cars
Feb 17 09:32:42 <bencoh> ewww
Feb 17 09:32:45 <jonwil> Let me guess, you own a Merc and want to hack it...
Feb 17 09:33:03 <Sicelo> yes :)
Feb 17 09:33:21 <Sicelo> just the audio system
Feb 17 09:34:32 <Sicelo> someone else did it ... but he wants too much money (for me)
Feb 17 09:36:16 <Sicelo> jonwil: it's actually very easy .. just want to inject digital audio signal into the head unit .. i can (which it will be fooled into seeing as a cd changer)
Feb 17 09:37:17 <Sicelo> the only thing is known the initialization sequence of the chip .. can't find that
Feb 17 09:38:05 <Sicelo> currently using my N900 fm tx, which works very well
Feb 17 09:38:31 <ceene> i just fixed my car's stereo yesterday :)
Feb 17 09:39:00 <Sicelo> what was wrong? :)
Feb 17 09:39:30 <ceene> it suddenly went silent
Feb 17 09:39:47 <ceene> everything was working: screen, buttons, fm, casette (yeah, it's old!)
Feb 17 09:39:48 <ceene> but silent
Feb 17 09:40:07 <ceene> we discovered it was due to a chip not getting power at all
Feb 17 09:40:28 <ceene> why? would never know, we lost track of the... track, and we don't know where it was supposed to go
Feb 17 09:40:29 <inz> does working casette mean that it's good at eating tape?
Feb 17 09:40:43 <ceene> so i just soldered a new cable from Vcc to the chip
Feb 17 09:40:59 <ceene> and it started speaking to me again :)
Feb 17 09:41:09 <ceene> it's a 1993 car with a 1993 radio
Feb 17 09:41:46 <ceene> http://pdf.dzsc.com/OCC/OCC8001-01.pdf this is the chip?
Feb 17 09:41:54 <ceene> so you want a full description, of course
Feb 17 09:42:03 <Sicelo> yes ceene
Feb 17 09:43:08 <Sicelo> i searched as much as i could .. didn't get anywhere .. unfortunately no logic analyzers or such fancy equipment at my disposal, so datasheet is the way
Feb 17 09:43:30 <ceene> you may be able to build a simple one with an arduino or whatever
Feb 17 09:43:38 <ceene> you just need to look at the SPI/I2C communication
Feb 17 09:43:43 <bencoh> I'm not even sure there is a "real" datasheet of it
Feb 17 09:43:49 <ceene> that's a synchronous serial protocol
Feb 17 09:44:00 <ceene> it's quite easy to tap into that
Feb 17 09:45:26 <ceene> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9544
Feb 17 09:45:45 <ceene> i understand this thing is built explicitely with that purpose in mind
Feb 17 09:46:04 <ceene> and it's cheap enough
Feb 17 09:46:10 <bencoh> Sicelo: http://kay-bruns.de/comand_spdif_low.pdf this might be of some interest to you though ;)
Feb 17 09:46:13 * Sicelo looks
Feb 17 09:46:24 <Sicelo> kaybruns .. i have it. german :(
Feb 17 09:46:39 <Sicelo> i even wrote to the person .. he didn't get far
Feb 17 09:47:10 <Sicelo> one guy that got it right works for Google, but he is not willing to share. :)
Feb 17 09:47:33 <bencoh> too bad
Feb 17 09:47:35 <ceene> i would go the bus pirate way :)
Feb 17 09:47:39 <ceene> it's a nice tool to have anyway
Feb 17 09:47:54 <bencoh> buspirate was really disappointing (for me at least)
Feb 17 09:48:05 <ceene> i haven't tried it myself, just read about it
Feb 17 09:48:06 <bencoh> it won't work properly with non-standard voltages
Feb 17 09:48:08 <ceene> it isn't any good?
Feb 17 09:48:41 <Sicelo> hmm, the description seems very nice :)
Feb 17 09:48:55 <ceene> even if it's not the perfect tool i think you could use it for that
Feb 17 09:49:09 <Sicelo> i have forgotten the voltages of the d2b system, but i think they are 'reasonable' enough
Feb 17 09:49:14 <bencoh> and the software around it (host libraries/tools) is freaking bad (but that's not really an issue since we could rewrite everything)
Feb 17 09:50:02 <bencoh> ceene: I tried using buspirate with a 2.7V i2c ... no luck
Feb 17 09:50:22 <bencoh> it looked pretty bad
Feb 17 09:50:37 <Sicelo> hmm, i see the duded now has firmware file sitting online. maybe RE that 
Feb 17 09:51:11 <Sicelo> i know he uses RPi to control the OCC8001
Feb 17 09:51:34 <ceene> and he has full software available, even on binary form?
Feb 17 09:53:06 <Sicelo> so what happens is .. on the rpi, he sets it up as an a2dp sink. it send the digital audio and control signals to the chip
Feb 17 09:53:18 <Sicelo> that's the only job of thr RPi. it's binary firmawre yes
Feb 17 09:53:42 <ceene> well, you can always tap into output pins of the PI
Feb 17 09:53:50 <ceene> or maybe
Feb 17 09:53:54 <ceene> replace /dev/gpio
Feb 17 09:53:57 <ceene> with a simple file
Feb 17 09:54:02 <ceene> and look at what it's outputing there
Feb 17 09:54:42 <Sicelo> yes, now that he's got firmware.. i'll look into this again. previoulsy he had nothing at all public, except pictures of his setup
Feb 17 09:55:31 <kerio> i wish freenode would just stop
Feb 17 10:00:35 <Sicelo> ceene: bencoh : thanks for the ideas. maybe i'll bug you guys for this again .. & jonwil too :)
Feb 17 10:01:05 <Luke-Jr> kerio: and leave their servers exploitable?
Feb 17 10:01:11 <kerio> yolo
Feb 17 10:01:23 <Luke-Jr> do we have a fix for CSSU yet? :P
Feb 17 10:01:34 <bencoh> is CSSU vulnerable?
Feb 17 10:01:34 <kerio> workaround: don't use domain names
Feb 17 10:01:46 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: what isn't?
Feb 17 10:01:58 <bencoh> Luke-Jr: too old glibc?
Feb 17 10:03:16 <Luke-Jr> hasn't it been years?
Feb 17 10:03:25 <Luke-Jr> oh wait
Feb 17 10:03:57 <bencoh> http://www.infoworld.com/article/3033862/security/patch-now-unix-bug-puts-linux-android-and-ios-systems-at-risk.html
Feb 17 10:04:13 <bencoh> "Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 has glibc 2.5, so it isn't vulnerable"
Feb 17 10:05:05 <bencoh> I dunno ow accurate this statement is, since the google team didn't mention any test on older versions
Feb 17 10:05:54 <bencoh> how*
Feb 17 10:06:11 <kerio> wait, why does ios use glibc?
Feb 17 10:08:30 <Oksanaa> What program is run-able on Nokia N900 and can convert video from one format (like, mp4) and size (too-large) to other format (ogv?) and size (800x480 or what is N900's resolution?)
Feb 17 10:08:37 <Maxdamantus> Why wouldn't it?
Feb 17 10:08:38 <bencoh> kerio: do they now?
Feb 17 10:09:16 <Maxdamantus> It might just be the part of glibc that provides getaddrinfo.
Feb 17 10:09:21 <Maxdamantus> It's somehow separate iirc.
Feb 17 10:09:25 <bencoh> Oksanaa: gstreamer?
Feb 17 10:09:41 <bencoh> (or ffmpeg, but software encoding/decoding is gonna take ages)
Feb 17 10:10:05 <kerio> "Patch now! Unix bug puts Linux, Android, and iOS systems at risk"
Feb 17 10:10:12 <kerio> i'm pretty sure iOS doesn't use glibc
Feb 17 10:10:13 <bencoh> Oksanaa: oh and ... I wouldn't downconvert on n900... really.
Feb 17 10:10:15 <Oksanaa> Hmm, should read docs on it... It's annoying when low-resolution (600x360?) webm stutters
Feb 17 10:10:20 <bencoh> kerio: I'm pretty sure they don't either
Feb 17 10:10:33 <kerio> tech "journalists"
Feb 17 10:10:34 <bencoh> Oksanaa: vp9 inside?
Feb 17 10:10:41 <Oksanaa> bencoh: yes
Feb 17 10:10:46 <Oksanaa> I think so
Feb 17 10:11:22 <bencoh> we have no DSP vp9 decoding, so it's done in software, with a really old ffmpeg version
Feb 17 10:11:28 <Luke-Jr> Version: 2.5.1-1eglibc27+0m5+cssu3
Feb 17 10:12:02 <Luke-Jr> guess we're fine
Feb 17 10:12:07 <bencoh> it should be faster with recent ffmpeg (they worked a lot on that during the past years), but ....
Feb 17 10:12:14 <Oksanaa> So, downconverting on n900 would take ages, and probably drain battery
Feb 17 10:12:20 <bencoh> exactly
Feb 17 10:12:28 <bencoh> well, not ages actually
Feb 17 10:12:43 <Oksanaa> But hours at least
Feb 17 10:13:24 <bencoh> certainly more than realtime playback, if you cant play it :)
Feb 17 10:13:30 <Oksanaa> If speaking of downconverting from 1280xsomething to 800xsomething, and long video
Feb 17 10:13:47 <bencoh> haha, don't even think about that :)
Feb 17 10:14:09 <Oksanaa> Because upconverting 600xsomething is a travestry, for video quality
Feb 17 10:14:12 <bencoh> try looking for some h264/SD version
Feb 17 10:14:22 <Oksanaa> Will try
Feb 17 10:14:29 <bencoh> you don't need to upscale
Feb 17 10:14:49 <bencoh> gstreamer plays non-native resolutions fine
Feb 17 10:15:12 <bencoh> qt/phonon-based players (cutetube internal player, for instance) have stride issues though
Feb 17 10:17:38 <Oksanaa> Still, I prefer having as high-quality video as it makes sense to. In this case, 848x480 60fps sounds stunning https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37883&page=2
Feb 17 10:17:49 * Oksanaa uses default media player
Feb 17 10:19:34 <bencoh> default mediaplayer relies on mafw and mafw-gst-renderer, which is basically a gstreamer wrapper
Feb 17 10:20:05 <Oksanaa> Besides, I would like to have more start-up videos available for N900, which requires native resolution?
Feb 17 10:21:19 <bencoh> dunno about startup videos (I removed it here ;p)
Feb 17 10:22:56 <Oksanaa> What, is black screen so nice to look at? /eyebrows/ Or is it making startup faster? ;-)
Feb 17 10:25:38 <KotCzarny> using cpu cycles for actual bootinstead of some flashyflashy things
Feb 17 10:51:17 <Oksanaa> Flashy things... much of GUI can be called flashy. But it helps user to know when programs are frozen, or not
Feb 17 11:16:32 <bencoh> Oksanaa: doesn't bring anything useful, and it might be a source of issues
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Feb 17 12:08:53 <kerio> let's not forget that the boot video is one of the main reasons we couldn't have a split /usr
Feb 17 12:09:16 <kerio> because pulseaudio is in /usr, and it's needed to play the sound of the hands video
Feb 17 14:16:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ((<Oksanaa> Besides, I would like to have more start-up videos available for N900,)) go for DONT_PANIC on maemo.cloud-7.de
Feb 17 14:19:00 <L29Ah> ERROR:backup-util.c:270:get_contacts_from_file: assertion failed: (attr_uid)
Feb 17 14:19:00 <L29Ah> osso-addressbook-backup is fun
Feb 17 14:22:04 <L29Ah> it requires magic numbering of vcard contacts
Feb 17 14:33:25 <deejaybar> hello
Feb 17 14:34:17 <deejaybar> any plans to release a new cssu-stable with new glib and speedyham?
Feb 17 14:34:48 <deejaybar> merlin1991: ;)
Feb 17 14:43:14 <bencoh> deejaybar: maemo shouldn't be vulnerable (glibc)
Feb 17 15:26:20 <L29Ah> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/n/navit/navit_0.5.0+dfsg.1-1maemo1-6563_armel.deb  Size mismatch
Feb 17 15:26:22 <L29Ah> what
Feb 17 15:29:27 <KotCzarny> yeah, someone noticed it already
Feb 17 15:32:04 <Wizzup> robotanarchy_: I'd like to see if I can somehow help with getting sms and phone calls to work on the n900 mainline
Feb 17 15:32:08 <Wizzup> and if it already works, document that well
Feb 17 15:32:18 <Wizzup> not sure if I am interested in a particular UI, but some command line tools would be good
Feb 17 15:36:16 <Sicelo> Wizzup: doesn't work yet?
Feb 17 15:36:58 <Sicelo> sms should be working at least ... you're using ofono or fso?
Feb 17 15:46:40 <Wizzup> Sicelo: IDN. I need to check. Last time I tried the modem didn't work
Feb 17 15:46:45 <Wizzup> but now it seems to work
Feb 17 15:46:49 <Wizzup> so I heard
Feb 17 16:40:55 <dangergrrl> Hi
Feb 17 16:41:25 <KotCzarny> danger grrill?
Feb 17 16:51:13 <dangergrrl> T
Feb 17 16:52:47 <dangergrrl> Shopping for user interfaces for a 2 in 1
Feb 17 16:54:41 <dangergrrl> Afaik the needed parts of maemo are open source but there would be some issues loved my n900 before it was destroyed
Feb 17 17:27:37 <robotanarchy_> Wizzup: thanks for the offer!
Feb 17 21:42:32 <Sicelo> looks like it's goodbye to iceweaseal
Feb 17 21:46:45 <pigeons> oh?
Feb 17 21:57:02 <Sicelo> pigeons: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=815006
Feb 17 22:06:35 <Oksana> Sicelo: It would have made great sense to be able to sort songs (or albums?) by year of release, be it within all-music screen, or within a playlist. Similarly, showing track number in some way would make it easier for people to understand if the songs within an album are in correct order (instead of having to cross-reference somewhere the order they are supposed to be in)
Feb 17 22:08:56 <Sicelo> yes. these are some of the reasons i was wondering if media player even sees those tags. maybe we should send feature request for OMP.. to display all tags first of all, and sort using them
Feb 17 22:09:06 <pigeons> makes sense
Feb 17 23:07:02 <sixwheeledbeast> I guess that would rely on mafw supporting tags/track number/year etc.
Feb 17 23:07:18 <sixwheeledbeast> ~mafw
Feb 17 23:07:18 <infobot> mafw is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29
Feb 17 23:54:02 <Oksana> Sicelo: I dislike OMP for being Qt-based. I would prefer something RE-ed from default media player, if possible. And then enhanced with bugfixes and feature requests. But then, I don't even remember if open-source clock-ui is Qt-free or not...
Feb 17 23:57:22 <Oksana> For example: non-free osso-calculator-ui does not depend on qt. CSSU version of osso-calculator-ui does depend on qt4, and I don't get why!
Feb 18 00:05:32 <Oksana> Seriously, how does this one https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-calculator gets packed into three separate packages: osso-calculator meta-package, osso-calculator-engine backend, and osso-calculator-ui frontend?
Feb 18 00:07:36 * Oksana does not see the makefile, except for osso-calculator.pro somethingness
Feb 18 00:14:43 <Oksana> Apologies for being so anti-Qt, it's not like I would have been able to see anything wrong with calculator-ui just by looking at it, but it's the principle of the matter. Gtk+C should not have to become forgotten art, just because C++Qt is available
Feb 18 00:43:08 <DocScrutinizer05> my take on it: Qt is way simpler to program but bloated and slow, compared to e.g. GTK
Feb 18 00:45:45 <DocScrutinizer05> aiui qt usef floating point arithmeticians to calculate integer nonsense trivialities like zooming an icon where you have do deal with integers in an interval of maybe [0..1440]
Feb 18 00:46:29 <DocScrutinizer05> arithmetic, sorry for the spellchecker
Feb 18 00:46:55 <kerio> motif doesn't use floats
Feb 18 00:46:57 <kerio> :>
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