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Feb 25 04:40:18 <Maxdamantus> aaaaee
Feb 25 04:59:24 <Oksana> Khe, we have libc6 2.5.1, and yet our libuuid1 is only 1.42.5 ? Just thinking about installing debian-armel package https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/libgig6 https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/gigedit 
Feb 25 05:02:42 <Oksana> Can somebody please beta-test how much breaks after installation of https://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libuuid1 ? Somebody who has an easily re-flashable to pristine state device?
Feb 25 05:03:51 <Oksana> Because way too many packages depend on it, including libsms0 and telepathy-something
Feb 25 05:21:44 <Luke-Jr> blah, got the USB port in place, but it isn't working
Feb 25 05:21:50 <Luke-Jr> [  283.550323] twl4030_usb twl4030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0xd0/208; link 2
Feb 25 05:28:33 <Oksana> Luke-Jr: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1052753#post1052753 
Feb 25 05:29:04 <Oksana> I'm just hoping that it's fault of desktop PC, not N900 port
Feb 25 05:29:22 <Luke-Jr> definitely N900 port in my case
Feb 25 05:30:27 <Oksana> Okay, then it's probably bad connection, too high resistance, somewhere? I am /not/ an expert in soldering
Feb 25 05:31:35 <Luke-Jr> I don't even know what resistance means :D
Feb 25 05:32:46 <Maxdamantus> Vive la resistance!
Feb 25 05:32:57 <Oksana> air gap, thin long wire, or whatever. When it's difficult for electrical current to go
Feb 25 05:33:41 <Oksana> Multimeter could theoretically help to figure out what goes wrong
Feb 25 05:43:08 <Luke-Jr> short?
Feb 25 05:43:31 <Luke-Jr> two of the 5 pins are connected. is that bad?
Feb 25 05:44:17 <Luke-Jr> the middle and the one to the left of it looking in
Feb 25 05:45:55 <Luke-Jr> guess that's D- and D+? :/
Feb 25 05:46:58 <Oksana> A photo could help... Read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1018141#post1018141 about pins
Feb 25 05:47:00 <fredd> ceene: you should be able to push Yappari through to extras now.
Feb 25 05:47:19 <fredd> "Promotion unlocked, waiting for maintainter to promote"
Feb 25 05:47:44 <Luke-Jr> Oksana: a photo of what? XD
Feb 25 05:50:36 <Luke-Jr> at this point, I think it's on there too strongly to get off :/
Feb 25 05:56:09 <Luke-Jr> got it
Feb 25 05:56:14 <Luke-Jr> (off)
Feb 25 08:59:00 <ceene> fredd: thanks a lot, i've just promoted it!
Feb 25 08:59:16 <ceene> i think it still takes a few hours to reach repos
Feb 25 09:10:19 <fredd> Will try to grab it from the repositories soon.
Feb 25 09:12:56 <fredd> But it is a nice milestone to reach.
Feb 25 09:13:00 <fredd> After 1 year of you taking over.
Feb 25 09:13:03 <fredd> Finally it is in testing.
Feb 25 09:13:10 <fredd> With a bit of community effort started only a few days ago.
Feb 25 09:13:26 <kerio> what's the banning situation as of now?
Feb 25 09:13:36 <fredd> I will be certain to ask people to vote for the next version.
Feb 25 09:21:58 <fredd> ceene: at the next version release, just post the armel / i386 links and say x amount of votes are required to push it through, like I did. I will pick it up via email notice and vote each time. Others will probably too.
Feb 25 09:22:04 <fredd> In a new reply.
Feb 25 09:23:34 <fredd> And also thank you for your continued interest and development. It is much appreciated!
Feb 25 09:45:03 <ceene> your welcome! ):
Feb 25 09:45:09 <KotCzarny> 'you're'
Feb 25 09:45:27 <ceene> oops
Feb 25 09:45:39 <ceene> you know, i don't usually make those mistakes :(
Feb 25 09:45:45 <ceene> but
Feb 25 09:45:47 <ceene> on the other side
Feb 25 09:45:56 <ceene> i also wrote a strange smiley
Feb 25 09:45:59 <ceene> which i don't know what means
Feb 25 09:46:13 <ceene> that was intended to be a happy face :)
Feb 25 09:46:17 <fredd> ):
Feb 25 09:46:19 <ceene> and ended up being a reverse sad face
Feb 25 09:46:34 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 25 09:46:52 <ceene> if i'm not being able to properly converse today on IRC i don't think i will be able to do any work today
Feb 25 09:47:02 <ceene> i should just tell that to my boss and go home before i break something
Feb 25 09:47:13 <KotCzarny> ;)
Feb 25 09:47:38 <ceene> "you see, i was wasting my time on IRC and I just realized I'm not competent today. Can I go home?"
Feb 25 09:51:00 <fredd> ceene: package is marked as stable (armel).
Feb 25 09:51:04 <fredd> Testing it on Maemo.
Feb 25 09:51:14 <fredd> Purged the test version and installed the 1.x version.
Feb 25 09:51:35 <fredd> Ok, it is offered as an update, so it seems to be all good!
Feb 25 09:52:30 <ceene> great!
Feb 25 09:52:38 <fredd> i386 is pushed through as well. It seems only one package needs to go through for all of them to go through.
Feb 25 09:52:48 <fredd> So only armel really requires votes.
Feb 25 09:52:49 <ceene> well, that's good then
Feb 25 09:52:56 <ceene> I will try to remove that dependency, though
Feb 25 09:53:02 <fredd> That would be nice. ^^
Feb 25 09:53:03 <ceene> so it can be easily installed on scratchbox
Feb 25 09:53:10 <ceene> maybe it attracts some developers
Feb 25 09:53:21 <fredd> 2.0.26 installed from 1.1.51 as update.
Feb 25 09:53:23 <fredd> Running fine!
Feb 25 09:53:35 <ceene> cool :)
Feb 25 09:53:38 <ceene> it's been quite a while
Feb 25 09:53:42 <ceene> that release stopped working months ago
Feb 25 09:53:59 <fredd> Who thought I would grow old enough to live this day! (I am 26 > . <)
Feb 25 09:54:16 <fredd> That release stopped working more than a year ago I think.
Feb 25 09:54:28 <ceene> it's before my time for certain
Feb 25 09:54:33 <fredd> I have been manually installing Yappari for quite a while now.
Feb 25 09:54:54 <fredd> (only running stable CSSU no intention of running my N900 as testing)
Feb 25 09:55:33 <ceene> maybe you could
Feb 25 09:55:43 <ceene> it's not like many packages are getting to stable nowadays
Feb 25 09:55:51 <fredd> The ones I use are.
Feb 25 09:55:58 <ceene> i mean, you can run cssu stable, but extras-testing
Feb 25 09:56:06 <fredd> Array theme, Awoken icon theme and Yappari. :3
Feb 25 09:56:10 <ceene> :)
Feb 25 09:56:28 <fredd> I use my N900 as calendar / contacts / IM device.
Feb 25 09:56:35 <fredd> no phone
Feb 25 09:57:00 <fredd> I had to switch my synchronisation from Google to Outlook however when Google decided to cease compatibility.
Feb 25 09:57:12 <fredd> But besides that I use all native except for Yappari and the theme.
Feb 25 09:57:41 <fredd> What is it that you direly require from extras-testing
Feb 25 09:57:42 <fredd> ?
Feb 25 09:57:55 <KotCzarny> oscp :>
Feb 25 09:57:59 <fredd> What is that?
Feb 25 09:58:08 <KotCzarny> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Feb 25 09:58:46 <fredd> KotCzarny, why not vote to have it pushed to extras stable?
Feb 25 09:59:08 <ceene> i'd rather he released it on github or wherever at once :)
Feb 25 09:59:23 <KotCzarny> tried once, didnt go well enough (not enough people clicking, even if using)
Feb 25 09:59:40 <fredd> Heh KotCzarny, Yappari suffered the same until recent effort only two - three days ago.
Feb 25 09:59:50 <fredd> I asked people to vote and clearly stated how much votes were needed.
Feb 25 10:00:02 <fredd> ceene said he might even delay updates until it gets through to stable.
Feb 25 10:00:08 <fredd> And that made people vote rather quickly.
Feb 25 10:00:14 <KotCzarny> mind you, yappari has a lot more users, yet, you were hardly able to gather 6 votes
Feb 25 10:00:23 <fredd> Wiki says >10 votes but the package page said x out of 6 votes.
Feb 25 10:00:41 <KotCzarny> i think not everyone can vote, some minimal karma required
Feb 25 10:00:48 <fredd> Do more than 6 unique people reply to your thread?
Feb 25 10:00:54 <fredd> I would give it a try!
Feb 25 10:00:57 <fredd> If I were you.
Feb 25 10:01:45 <KotCzarny> i was releasing new versions quite often, so it might be a good idea to check in what i have on disk and get voted again
Feb 25 10:01:55 <KotCzarny> and releasing code on github as ceene says
Feb 25 10:04:53 <fredd> tbh I would not mind voting even if I am not a user. Maemo is in a rather unique and deserted (deserted from a perspective compared to other mobile phone OS's). If others deem it not fit they should counter downvote.
Feb 25 10:05:19 <ceene> now that I remember
Feb 25 10:05:27 <ceene> i wanted to run oscp on my box
Feb 25 10:05:31 <ceene> and control it with the n900
Feb 25 10:05:41 <ceene> is it still usable outside n900, on a x86?
Feb 25 10:05:51 <KotCzarny> ceene: sure, that's my primary use case
Feb 25 10:06:03 <KotCzarny> core running on a box connected to hifi
Feb 25 10:06:07 <fredd> KotCzarny, could you link me to a version you would like to have pushed through to stable? I will vote.
Feb 25 10:06:14 <KotCzarny> and controlling via either ssh or gui
Feb 25 10:06:34 <KotCzarny> fredd: it's not in repos yet (didnt packaged most recent version)
Feb 25 10:06:46 <fredd> Feel free to poke me.
Feb 25 10:06:52 <fredd> For a vote.
Feb 25 10:06:57 <ceene> KotCzarny: just push it to github already! :P
Feb 25 10:07:37 <fredd> Even though the wiki says to only vote if using and deemed stable, the package eco system is in very bad shape for packages to get voted through legitimately.
Feb 25 10:08:05 <KotCzarny> ceene: teaser, i run core on 1.2W banana pi, which also has integrated audio amplifier, which means no additional devices, just speakers connected directly to it
Feb 25 10:08:39 <ceene> i got a wireless headset
Feb 25 10:08:49 <ceene> and i bought from another vendor a usb compatible transmitter
Feb 25 10:09:10 <ceene> it's all digital until the headphones, but it's a propietary system
Feb 25 10:09:12 <ceene> no bluetooth
Feb 25 10:09:12 <KotCzarny> also, it has remote receiver (ir)
Feb 25 10:09:17 <ceene> bluetooth is shitty for audio
Feb 25 10:09:34 <KotCzarny> so i can pause/switch/change volume even with n900/pc away from me
Feb 25 10:10:13 <fredd> ceene are you going to have a stable promotion party at your place tomorrow?
Feb 25 10:10:16 <fredd> Pop some champagne bottles?
Feb 25 10:10:19 <ceene> lol
Feb 25 10:10:29 <KotCzarny> :)
Feb 25 10:10:30 <ceene> i'd have to drink it all by myself
Feb 25 10:10:33 <fredd> Wow.
Feb 25 10:10:37 <fredd> Where are you located?
Feb 25 10:10:42 <ceene> Madrid, Spain
Feb 25 10:10:45 <fredd> Oh dear.
Feb 25 10:10:50 <ceene> but I don't think there are lots of n900 users around here
Feb 25 10:10:52 <fredd> That would be quite a travel distance from Belgium.
Feb 25 10:11:00 <fredd> Perhaps just do a N900 Skype group call? :~)
Feb 25 10:11:05 <ceene> although I just bought one from someone who lived pretty near me
Feb 25 10:11:23 <fredd> They still sell on Amazon as new (and incredibly expensive, pretty much retail price).
Feb 25 10:11:32 * Luke-Jr notes N900 Skype no longer works
Feb 25 10:11:37 <fredd> Hmpf.
Feb 25 10:11:43 <ceene> my first one, bought two years ago, was from amazon, 100$
Feb 25 10:11:45 <ceene> Luke-Jr: since when?
Feb 25 10:11:46 <fredd> I still remember cam skyping my girlfriend in 1.2 when it came out.
Feb 25 10:11:49 <ceene> i used it last year i think
Feb 25 10:11:49 <Luke-Jr> ceene: years ago
Feb 25 10:11:59 <ceene> that's not true then... i've used it last year
Feb 25 10:12:10 <fredd> N900 used to be displayed and advertised on the Skype website as the first phone to have Skype video calling.
Feb 25 10:12:30 <ceene> i even registered a new account on the n900 to do that
Feb 25 10:12:32 <Luke-Jr> …
Feb 25 10:12:48 <Luke-Jr> must have been with someone else using a N900
Feb 25 10:12:49 <ceene> although i didn't test video calling, but voice was working
Feb 25 10:12:51 <fredd> The good old days.
Feb 25 10:12:56 <ceene> absolutely not
Feb 25 10:12:56 <Luke-Jr> oh, voice maybe works
Feb 25 10:13:01 <fredd> Before the business suits at Nokia decided to fuck it up.
Feb 25 10:13:04 <ceene> it was an android or whatever
Feb 25 10:13:10 <Luke-Jr> Skype changed video codecs
Feb 25 10:13:12 <ceene> or maybe an iphone, i don't know what this guy has
Feb 25 10:13:14 <Luke-Jr> so there's no way that will work now
Feb 25 10:13:18 <ceene> video don't know
Feb 25 10:13:24 <ceene> and maybe audio has stopped working too
Feb 25 10:13:31 <ceene> but at least year i could use it just for voice
Feb 25 10:14:03 * fredd looks up Neo900 to check on its status.
Feb 25 10:14:41 <fredd> If the Neo900 gets pulled off properly I think I could easily replace my N900 with it.
Feb 25 10:15:14 <ceene> i don't think i'm willing to spend so much money on any phone :/
Feb 25 10:15:42 <KotCzarny> +1
Feb 25 10:15:45 <fredd> Is there a price ETA?
Feb 25 10:16:21 <ceene> think around 800$
Feb 25 10:16:29 <ceene> even if it's 500$ i won't pay them
Feb 25 10:16:51 <ceene> i mean... i enjoy a lot my n900, and i'd like a neo900
Feb 25 10:16:57 <ceene> but it's just a phone
Feb 25 10:17:04 <ceene> something i don't really need that much
Feb 25 10:17:10 <ceene> it's cool? of course
Feb 25 10:17:40 <ceene> but i'd rather spend those 800$ on a nice resort...
Feb 25 10:18:38 <bencoh> a short one then
Feb 25 10:19:01 <fredd> I have only lost my N900 stylus. :(
Feb 25 10:19:07 <fredd> Besides that it is in good condition.
Feb 25 10:19:10 <KotCzarny> it's easily fixable
Feb 25 10:19:19 <KotCzarny> there are spares available
Feb 25 10:19:24 <fredd> O: !
Feb 25 10:19:41 <Luke-Jr> I have only lost my N900 USB port :/
Feb 25 10:19:58 <fredd> I still do not know how people pull that off without being rough or pulling out the cable roughly!!
Feb 25 10:20:14 <fredd> 6 - 7 years of use and mine is not even moving a tiny bit.
Feb 25 10:20:18 <fredd> Stable into place.
Feb 25 10:20:29 <KotCzarny> wtf, 22usd for 2x n900 stylus?
Feb 25 10:20:39 <fredd> "easily fixable"
Feb 25 10:20:42 <fredd> wtf you dirty liar
Feb 25 10:20:59 <bencoh> Luke-Jr: have you tried fixing it?
Feb 25 10:21:04 <fredd> 4 pounds on Amazon for 3 stylus's (retail price 15 pounds).
Feb 25 10:21:12 <KotCzarny> fredd, i have 4 n900s, all with stylus, if you want i can send one to you if you conver the shipping
Feb 25 10:21:12 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: all day
Feb 25 10:21:17 <bencoh> oh :/
Feb 25 10:21:42 <Luke-Jr> fredd: cable snagged getting off airplane; cable ripped and port fell off a few days later
Feb 25 10:21:47 <bencoh> don't remove the traces on board :/
Feb 25 10:22:03 <Luke-Jr> bencoh: traces seem to be in top shape
Feb 25 10:22:11 <Luke-Jr> but soldering to them is impractical
Feb 25 10:22:18 <bencoh> use some soldering flux
Feb 25 10:22:24 <Luke-Jr> over my head
Feb 25 10:22:37 <fredd> KotCzarny it would be cheaper to buy it for 2 pounds on Amazon.
Feb 25 10:22:42 <fredd> But thank you for the offer.
Feb 25 10:22:44 <Luke-Jr> I think I almost got it at one point, but D+ and D- were shorted
Feb 25 10:22:55 <bencoh> ah
Feb 25 10:23:09 <bencoh> well, good flux really does wonder, you should give it a try
Feb 25 10:23:24 <Luke-Jr> I don't know how
Feb 25 10:23:30 <Luke-Jr> I can only barely see the pads
Feb 25 10:23:38 <Luke-Jr> certainly can't do anything precision with them
Feb 25 10:23:48 <bencoh> you don't really need to
Feb 25 10:23:57 <fredd> I wonder if I should get a new battery. My Nokia needs daily recharging
Feb 25 10:24:03 <fredd> Never replaced battery after 6 years.
Feb 25 10:24:04 <bencoh> fredd: buy a polarcell
Feb 25 10:24:04 <Luke-Jr> fredd: sounds typical
Feb 25 10:24:18 <fredd> I always figured it was some software just bloated or leaking.
Feb 25 10:24:20 <fredd> In CSSU stable.
Feb 25 10:24:24 <KotCzarny> ~polarcell
Feb 25 10:24:24 <infobot> [polarcell] http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement
Feb 25 10:24:29 <KotCzarny> fredd: ^^^
Feb 25 10:24:40 <Luke-Jr> I got a new battery a few months ago and it only lasted about a day new
Feb 25 10:24:55 <bencoh> really ?
Feb 25 10:24:58 <Luke-Jr> yes
Feb 25 10:25:20 <fredd> What is so special about those KotCzarny? Over genuine original?
Feb 25 10:26:02 <ceene> they are quality batts
Feb 25 10:26:08 <ceene> i got myself one a couple months ago
Feb 25 10:26:11 <fredd> + there are like a billion versions. x . x
Feb 25 10:26:15 <fredd> http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=polarcell+n900&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3Apolarcell+n900
Feb 25 10:26:17 <fredd> Which one do I pick?
Feb 25 10:26:43 <fredd> Polymer? Ion? Lithium?
Feb 25 10:26:45 <ceene> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PolarCell-Batterie-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-XpressMusic-XM-Battery-/390402445382?pt=DE_Handy_PDA_Akkus&hash=item5ae5cc9046
Feb 25 10:26:48 <ceene> i got this myself
Feb 25 10:26:51 <ceene> it works two days
Feb 25 10:26:54 <ceene> with wifi always on
Feb 25 10:26:58 <ceene> and if not on wifi, on 3g
Feb 25 10:27:05 <ceene> although during the night i shut it off
Feb 25 10:27:09 <ceene> so it's more like 24 hours or so
Feb 25 10:27:29 <ceene> instead of shutting it down i sometimes leave it on but in airplane mode
Feb 25 10:27:40 <ceene> i haven't noticed very difference between one thing and the other
Feb 25 10:28:33 <KotCzarny> yes, with radios off, it eats almost nothing (assuming you dont have any app waking it up)
Feb 25 10:29:04 <ceene> for a short time it's better to just disable radios instead of power off/on
Feb 25 10:29:31 <ceene> for a night's time ~8 hours it's more or less the same
Feb 25 10:29:39 <ceene> and for longer than that, power off is better
Feb 25 10:29:42 <ceene> at least on my experience
Feb 25 10:29:47 <fredd> My Nokia N900 is running in power saving.
Feb 25 10:29:50 <fredd> In WiFi.
Feb 25 10:30:11 <fredd> I think you also select the amp.
Feb 25 10:30:21 <fredd> Maybe I should lower it. I think the values are 100 and 10.
Feb 25 10:31:02 <fredd> Is there a way to disable 3G / Edge?
Feb 25 10:31:06 <fredd> Phone entirely.
Feb 25 10:32:20 * fredd switched WLAN transmission power from 100 mW to 10mW and anticipates the results
Feb 25 10:33:03 <KotCzarny> expect lagging :P
Feb 25 10:33:20 <fredd> Lagging? I only really use WhatsApp which is just messaging.
Feb 25 10:33:29 <KotCzarny> then it doesnt matter
Feb 25 10:33:31 <fredd> With no real priority in delivery.
Feb 25 10:33:42 <KotCzarny> for ssh it matters a bit tho
Feb 25 10:33:53 <fredd> I do not really use my device for console management.
Feb 25 10:34:09 <fredd> I never really found a comfortable setup.
Feb 25 10:34:10 <fredd> For it.
Feb 25 10:35:04 * fredd is on a quest to find a Maemo phone disabling app
Feb 25 10:35:16 <KotCzarny> i think there was such thing
Feb 25 10:35:23 <bencoh> I'm comfortable with (real)xterm + heavy remapping
Feb 25 10:35:53 <fredd> There is a switching app.
Feb 25 10:35:56 <fredd> Between modes.
Feb 25 10:36:02 <fredd> But so far I have not found one that actually disables phone.
Feb 25 10:36:06 <KotCzarny> fredd, i thinks its named tablet mode or something
Feb 25 10:36:13 <KotCzarny> adds a button in powermenu 
Feb 25 10:36:40 <fredd> Cellular Modem Control Buttons? ;o
Feb 25 10:36:46 <fredd> Describes what you just said.
Feb 25 10:37:03 <fredd> Going to download it. Thank you for the heads up.
Feb 25 10:37:32 <fredd> Oh my.
Feb 25 10:37:34 <KotCzarny> https://wiki.maemo.org/Make_your_battery_last_longer
Feb 25 10:37:35 <fredd> Thank you KotCzarny!
Feb 25 10:37:39 <fredd> Ooooooh.
Feb 25 10:37:42 <fredd> Interesting.
Feb 25 21:48:30 <Oksanaa> Does MicroB support tel:// links? Would be neat...
Feb 25 22:09:42 <Oksanaa> Actually, wait a moment, I had Opera open... 
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