**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 21 02:59:58 2016 Mar 21 08:23:33 moin Mar 21 14:56:06 my battery is swollen :c Mar 21 14:56:38 can i use it for 2 more hours Mar 21 15:11:38 you shoould change it before it burst or catches fire. Mar 21 17:01:47 kerio: try making a hole and evacuating the gas Mar 21 17:01:57 D: Mar 21 17:02:03 dunno if it can be done safely though as there's a risk of shorting it Mar 21 17:02:15 or take a hammer and have fireworks Mar 21 17:02:15 a tiny drill might do the job Mar 21 17:02:42 its dangerous ayway Mar 21 17:02:44 anyway order a replacement first Mar 21 17:02:47 *anyway Mar 21 17:03:16 also swollen battery might indicate a malfunction in the device Mar 21 17:12:16 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH9GLlkWnJE Mar 21 17:12:18 funny Mar 21 17:12:59 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4qJ8WcNGwg Mar 21 17:13:01 funnier ;) Mar 21 17:13:22 maybe it matters if battery was charged or empty Mar 21 17:14:15 but i love this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEo0RhEhFYc Mar 21 17:24:56 what battery do i buy Mar 21 17:25:08 i have a replacement bl-5j which is much less swollen Mar 21 17:25:12 (ayy lmao) Mar 21 17:25:15 ~powercell Mar 21 17:25:20 hrn Mar 21 17:25:33 ~listkeys power Mar 21 17:25:34 Factoid search of 'power' by key (14 of 69): #fightthepower ;; #maemo power ;; athlon powersave ;; cow powers ;; digital powerline ;; hee. too much power. ecl ;; hoarsepower ;; hostmode-powered ;; i need more power ;; in fact, our powerpc kernel ;; inpowerd ;; jargon power cycle ;; jargon steam-powered ;; kernel-power. Mar 21 17:25:54 ~listkeys cell Mar 21 17:25:56 Factoid search of 'cell' by key (15 of 28): duracell80 ;; polarcell ;; cell.pl ;; weathercode monticello ;; miscellaneous unix scripts ;; html ;; weathercode celle ;; femtocell ;; cellrelay ;; luncellent ;; cmd: notcell (.*?) ;; html

;; kill cellbot ;; excellentt, where ;; primary cell. Mar 21 17:26:02 do original BL-5Js exist Mar 21 17:26:09 yes Mar 21 17:26:21 they were used by some ashas till 2014 or something Mar 21 17:26:31 ~polarcell Mar 21 17:26:32 from memory, polarcell is http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390402445382 BL-5J Replacement Mar 21 17:26:38 right, buy this one Mar 21 17:28:47 i literally just searched for "microsoft bl-5j" Mar 21 17:28:50 feels bad man Mar 21 17:29:07 go for polarcell Mar 21 17:29:16 1500>1320 Mar 21 17:29:19 1430 Mar 21 17:29:23 still Mar 21 17:31:57 how the fuck do i search for an original bl-5j Mar 21 17:37:41 also who uses ebay anymore Mar 21 17:47:19 kerio: search for asha bl-5j Mar 21 17:47:27 but as i said, go for polarcell Mar 21 17:49:00 http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOKIA-BL-5J-BATTERY-FOR-NOKIA-Lumia-520-X6-X1-00-N900-C3-00-Asha-200-/321940050618?hash=item4af51f52ba:g:nYIAAOSwbdpWYsdc Mar 21 17:49:12 can't say much if its fake or not Mar 21 17:49:25 right, lumia 520 also uses bl-5j Mar 21 18:13:00 kerio: L29Ah: damn NO! do not, I repeat *NOT* try to make a hole into the hull of a LiIon battery Mar 21 18:13:17 DocScrutinizer05: who are you to tell me what to do Mar 21 18:13:35 go do whatever you want Mar 21 18:13:38 F U Mar 21 18:13:43 :< Mar 21 18:15:08 chicken wuss Mar 21 18:15:43 DocScrutinizer05: why? Mar 21 18:16:32 u don't like hydrogen or that's about shorting the foil layers again? Mar 21 18:16:50 because odds are you're shorting the cell, and for _sure_ you will allow oxygen reach the Li Mar 21 18:16:50 it can kinda end up in a big flame Mar 21 18:17:02 which can kinda be very fucking dangerous Mar 21 18:17:17 20:29:16] 1500>1320 Mar 21 18:17:18 is this fake numbers as usual? Mar 21 18:17:35 not big Mar 21 18:18:12 all cells have a vent, so no need to drill a hiole into the hull. WTF Mar 21 18:18:22 nope Mar 21 18:18:34 otherwise it won't swell Mar 21 18:18:44 BS Mar 21 18:18:47 i don't think that's the reason Mar 21 18:18:52 what's the reason then? Mar 21 18:19:06 LiIon crystals betting out of shape or something Mar 21 18:19:48 well, all the swollen batteries i had were quite easy to push back, more like gas than crystals Mar 21 18:19:54 l29ah: polarcell batteries usually have higher cap than 1500 Mar 21 18:19:55 never disassembled them tho Mar 21 18:20:01 usually ~1560 Mar 21 18:20:08 kerio: you might notice the swollen battery is "elastic", but pressure in cell is _not_ your problem Mar 21 18:20:23 yeah yeah Mar 21 18:20:29 yes, L29Ah is right, it feels like gas Mar 21 18:20:29 it's a symptom of something worse Mar 21 18:20:53 i'm now calibrating this old-ish bl-5j Mar 21 18:21:41 your problem is that cell cheistry deteriorated and might eventially pierce the membrane Mar 21 18:21:50 chemistry* Mar 21 18:22:08 rip cell Mar 21 18:22:15 where do i throw away the old batteries Mar 21 18:22:16 when that happens, youi got a possibly serious problem Mar 21 18:22:29 toxic waste Mar 21 18:22:40 kerio: in the fire Mar 21 18:22:43 :> Mar 21 18:22:54 delicious toxic chemicals Mar 21 18:22:56 or leave where you get new cells and primary batteries Mar 21 18:23:00 and fireworks Mar 21 18:23:04 dont forget about fire Mar 21 18:23:05 but i'm buying them on the internets D: Mar 21 18:23:18 yeah, every do i trust this shit http://www.ebay.it/itm/Batteria-Blister-1320-mah-Originale-Nokia-BL-5J-bl5j-per-5228-5230-5800-XM-X6-N9-/181960459967?hash=item2a5db046bf:g:ZyIAAOSw5VFWIVtN Mar 21 18:23:28 kerio: most electronic stores allow you to leave old batteries Mar 21 18:23:28 oh god that's a big url Mar 21 18:23:44 aww 1320mAh Mar 21 18:23:49 it's one of the old ones, if it's original at all Mar 21 18:23:58 go polarcell or be damned with a fake Mar 21 18:24:14 well, try it, there's no way to tell without holding the battery in your hands (and even then...) Mar 21 18:24:54 what if i get a fake polarcell Mar 21 18:25:02 unlikely Mar 21 18:25:44 should i bother checking IRL shops Mar 21 18:25:48 I found it's not really worth wasting lots of evaluation and pondering. Get a cell which looks good by specs, test it, when it's actually nice get some more Mar 21 18:26:22 cells >1500mAh are most likely scum Mar 21 18:26:39 >1600 for sure are Mar 21 18:26:49 kerio, go tmo and search for happy polarcell users Mar 21 18:26:58 i believe the polarcell is good Mar 21 18:27:04 i don't know if this is a legit powercell Mar 21 18:27:04 I got several goot "used" BL-5J at shoppee next corner Mar 21 18:27:08 what the fuck is powercell anyway Mar 21 18:27:22 polarcell, not powercell Mar 21 18:27:23 good* Mar 21 18:27:25 er yes Mar 21 18:27:52 advantage: when they are crap, I kick the shop owner's ass Mar 21 18:31:52 oh Mar 21 18:31:55 i just discovered something funny Mar 21 18:32:03 this weird super chinese orange battery i had Mar 21 18:32:09 (which calibrated at like 1500mAh, btw) Mar 21 18:32:18 has ">2400µAh" written on it Mar 21 18:32:23 which is definetely true Mar 21 18:32:26 yeah yeah Mar 21 18:32:37 but kind of expected Mar 21 18:32:47 and will die in a month Mar 21 18:32:56 i don't think you're getting it Mar 21 18:32:59 DocScrutinizer05 got it Mar 21 18:33:18 china is a bit far away Mar 21 18:33:28 µAh, not mAh Mar 21 18:33:41 ahm, utf Mar 21 18:33:51 still on iso here Mar 21 18:36:38 2400µAh is 2.4mAh right Mar 21 18:52:30 yes Mar 21 18:53:15 the category of "this salad doesn't contain asbestos" Mar 21 18:56:28 honestly I think there are like 2 or 3 genuine cell manufacturers out there Mar 21 18:57:14 they build lot of different stuff, but there's also stuff they cannot build Mar 21 18:57:40 should i try overclocking Mar 21 18:57:49 this n900 is kind of dying anyway Mar 21 18:57:58 give it a last breath of life or something Mar 21 18:58:23 the bottleneck is RAM Mar 21 18:58:30 should i try overclocking the ram Mar 21 18:58:42 that would actually make some sense Mar 21 18:58:55 can i overclock the battery Mar 21 18:58:58 to have more battery Mar 21 18:59:14 yes, but strongly deprecated Mar 21 18:59:31 you could charge it to 4.3 or even 4.4V Mar 21 19:00:06 will give you an extra 100mAh, and a tenth of cycles until EOL Mar 21 19:00:59 or even risk of cell going thermal runaway Mar 21 19:00:59 brb charging the battery to 8V Mar 21 19:01:20 ok actually how can someone do that safely? Mar 21 19:01:26 long cables and some sort of blast shield? Mar 21 19:01:36 5m seem enough Mar 21 19:01:41 in plain air Mar 21 19:01:49 what about the waste Mar 21 19:01:56 blast shield not needed Mar 21 19:02:03 the waste is nasty Mar 21 19:02:08 but i wanted a blast shield :( Mar 21 19:02:13 the fumes are toxic Mar 21 19:02:24 the blast shield will protect me from the fumes Mar 21 19:02:43 hm, will the popo arrest me for freeing toxic fumes in the atmosphere Mar 21 19:02:53 no Mar 21 19:02:57 that sounds like the kind of thing one should not be able to do Mar 21 19:03:08 oh :< Mar 21 19:03:41 a LiIon going pooof emits HF aka flux acid Mar 21 19:04:16 not much, but HF is highly toxic, makes you get rubber bones Mar 21 19:05:23 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid Mar 21 19:06:10 rubber bones sounds awesome superpower Mar 21 19:11:20 When the concentration of HF approaches 100%, the acidity increases dramatically because of homoassociation Mar 21 19:11:26 homo association Mar 21 19:14:48 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HF_burned_hands.jpg Mar 21 19:15:01 fun stuff Mar 21 19:25:36 is that a melted finger Mar 21 19:26:05 hmm? in wikipedia article? Mar 21 19:27:49 btw some of the cooling agents in car aircon also emit vast amounts of HF when car is burning Mar 21 19:29:03 kerio, yup, you wont notice damage till the next day Mar 21 19:29:06 fun stuff Mar 21 19:29:12 it wont even hurt initially Mar 21 19:29:16 and you shouldn't heat Galden (perflour ether) above 250°C since it also emits HF then Mar 21 19:29:20 then your tissues start dying Mar 21 19:31:00 ooh it seems I've been wrong with 250°C Mar 21 19:39:53 I still wonder what's the relevant differences for vapor phase soldering between Galden LS230 and HT230 Mar 21 19:48:34 talk article is funny on that acid Mar 21 20:22:08 I need a fully mobile terminal to remotely access an ncurses tui over ssh. Thinking about buying a refurbished N900 sold on ebay. You all probably follow this stuff. Is there a better option? I need a keyboard, 3G/LTE networking and a true xterm+ssh. smaller the better so can keep with me. sorry if not good place to ask but doesn't exactly look over active so what the hell. why not ask you guys Mar 21 20:26:25 bluto271828: n900 is good, kb is not bad Mar 21 20:26:33 network wise it's nice too Mar 21 20:26:56 for low memory hungry applications it's very useful Mar 21 20:27:12 subnotebook would beat any mobile keyboard tho Mar 21 20:27:28 try looking for old toshibas/sonys Mar 21 20:27:48 the new 9" ipad pro with an apple smart cover Mar 21 20:27:58 :D Mar 21 20:28:04 ipad, pah Mar 21 20:28:12 ipahd Mar 21 20:28:40 i want real keys Mar 21 20:29:31 how small shall the device be? Mar 21 20:30:15 i really need in pocket so I liked old sharp netwalker Mar 21 20:30:31 http://img.bhs4.com/10/7/107C483D6B685CC0F60C9DCDE40F6B65BCA72272_large.jpg Mar 21 20:30:33 but this doesn't have cell capability Mar 21 20:30:53 keyword for you: umpc Mar 21 20:30:59 yes I know Mar 21 20:31:09 but I'm wondering if anything more recent Mar 21 20:31:17 and linux friendly ideally Mar 21 20:31:35 n900 is not recent, 2009 era, 256M of ram, tiny part of it really available Mar 21 20:31:37 though non-linux is ok if I have true terminal Mar 21 20:31:44 but real linux Mar 21 20:31:53 which is really limiting mobile options Mar 21 20:32:08 http://www.brighthub.com/computing/hardware/articles/43814.aspx Mar 21 20:32:18 yeah do you think they will actually send me one if I buy what they are listing on ebay for sale n900 Mar 21 20:32:31 my netwalker is 2010 Mar 21 20:33:01 vaio is also discontinued correct Mar 21 20:33:14 you can try pandora, it's a bit more recent Mar 21 20:33:43 basically I have a mission critical app that runs in a screen session and performs a heartbeat with a human Mar 21 20:34:10 this app is ncurses based and can navigate very complex commands and reports Mar 21 20:34:15 extremely quickly Mar 21 20:34:39 well, used n900 can be had for ~20-40usd Mar 21 20:34:53 grab it, test it, sell it if not good enough Mar 21 20:35:04 ok it is 100 on ebay Mar 21 20:35:15 too much Mar 21 20:35:20 that is what I was going to do. or maybe that is refurbished Mar 21 20:35:40 if you have friends in europe, try there Mar 21 20:35:47 it's much more popular here Mar 21 20:35:59 but I see there is this IRC for the maemo software so I figure ask if something like that but obsurce that is newer Mar 21 20:36:41 is it easy to upload/modify Mar 21 20:36:56 like is bootloader GRUB or how you can put your own stuff? Mar 21 20:37:37 I mean ideally if it is accessible I would drop it down to framebuffer terminal for example Mar 21 20:37:53 you can stick to maemo os Mar 21 20:38:00 it's really nice/good Mar 21 20:39:02 ok so I'll go get one and come back when i'm trying to set it up. they should be unlocked and work on US cell system like a tmobile sim or whatever Mar 21 20:39:19 sleepy time, nite nite Mar 21 20:39:31 sorry I talked to much? Mar 21 20:40:16 last question. how many character row and column do you think you can get? or what is best resolution an n900 will run in Mar 21 20:43:12 ok. i see it. nevermind. TFT 800 × 480 resolution Mar 21 21:59:53 ((character row and column)) depends on font size in osso-xterm, which you can switch on the fly with volume rocker switch - very convenient (though your ncurses app will prolly not cooperate with on the fly fontsize change) Mar 21 22:00:58 all i could ever manage was 79x24 Mar 21 22:00:59 when you need higher cols count, a pair of good reading glasses might be needed Mar 21 22:01:01 er, 79x25 Mar 21 22:01:16 which really felt like osso-xterm was mocking me Mar 21 22:01:43 technically prolly 100*40 is feasible Mar 21 22:02:35 which boils down to 8*12 per char Mar 21 22:02:52 roughly Mar 21 22:03:49 10x20 would be nice Mar 21 22:03:56 to get 80x24 when fullscreened Mar 21 22:19:36 odd, i do get the sigwinches to my ncurses apps... Mar 21 22:20:09 or at least ssh seems to pass the font resizes... Mar 21 22:22:04 sure, but few ncurses apps actually recalculate the layout after init Mar 21 22:22:30 maybe 50% of apps do Mar 21 22:23:07 MC does, for example Mar 21 22:24:41 for the 50% I admit my statistics are quite old, didn't check recently Mar 21 22:25:30 usually they do on ^L Mar 21 22:25:35 at least Mar 21 22:25:36 bluto271828: anyway I'd say you hardly can get any better device than a N900 right now Mar 21 22:26:43 oh and, I have 88x26 here with fixed 7x13 font Mar 21 22:26:50 eh, 6x13* Mar 21 22:27:01 I couldn't really follow your dialog up here, since I'm missing some answers which I suspect where there but not visible to me Mar 21 22:27:34 ? Mar 21 22:27:44 bencoh: yeah osso-xterm bottom bar is annoying Mar 21 22:27:59 DocScrutinizer05: ah right, I dont use osso-xterm :) Mar 21 22:28:50 wish there was a way to hit escape and pgup/pgdn without the softkey bar... Mar 21 22:29:13 ~listkeys kbd Mar 21 22:29:14 Factoid search of 'kbd' by key (16 of 17): did you make one of these keys on this kbd sysrq ;; example html ;; n900-kbd-mapping ;; weathercode kbdr ;; kikbd ;; kbdconfig ;; weathercode kbde ;; weathercode kbdf ;; vi-kbd ;; #maemo vkbd-portrait ;; weathercode kbdl ;; #maemo kbd ;; i'm afraid xvkbd ;; kbd ;; html ;; xkbd. Mar 21 22:29:40 ~forget i'm afraid xvkbd Mar 21 22:29:41 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot i'm afraid xvkbd Mar 21 22:29:55 I Mar 21 22:30:04 woops. I'm pretty sure you meant xkb Mar 21 22:30:12 ~forget did you make one of these keys on this kbd sysrq Mar 21 22:30:13 DocScrutinizer05: i forgot did you make one of these keys on this kbd sysrq Mar 21 22:30:27 ~n900-kbd-mapping Mar 21 22:30:28 [vi-kbd] http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard/user_vis_awesome_kbdmapping Mar 21 22:30:56 maybe I should share my rx-51 keymapping file Mar 21 22:31:11 yes, for sure Mar 21 22:33:15 ecc3g: >>escape on Shift+backspace<< Mar 21 22:33:46 >>Page up/down & home end on arrows without destroying shift highlighting (in fact shift+end works as it should)<< Mar 21 22:34:42 it's caled >>User Vis **Awesome** Kbdmapping<< for a reason Mar 21 22:35:57 hmm interesting wish they were marked... and pipe I suppose I can remap one of the blue+ mappings Mar 21 22:38:17 you can map virtually anything you want Mar 21 22:38:40 it's linux ;-) Mar 21 22:38:44 I've always wanted to get rid of euro, it always messes me up when I type that accidently. Mar 21 22:39:12 (usually not using utf8 mapping) Mar 21 22:39:31 not exactly everything, but almost yeah Mar 21 22:40:29 ok guys was away Mar 21 22:40:39 because i just bought one off ebay Mar 21 22:40:43 thank you for all info Mar 21 22:47:42 whats really neat is I also know there is this IRC. maybe is there a way to ctrl-alt-F1 into a console and then set the console to WVGA. or maybe using fbterm. Mar 21 22:48:43 I also saw something about running debian in a chroot or something. so it seem like there should be good options to push the terminal to maximum readable size Mar 21 22:50:28 bluto271828: see easydebian Mar 21 22:50:42 but you dont need that to use xterm to its fullest Mar 21 22:52:05 just install xterm, xfonts-base, see vis kbd mapping (or setup your own mapping), and change your font path Mar 21 22:52:05 ok cool. i'm waiting for my n900 to arrive and then I'll come back and let you all know how cool it is. Mar 21 22:52:27 :) Mar 21 22:52:29 and you mean it will go full screen Mar 21 22:52:35 hope you enjoy it Mar 21 22:52:51 xterm != osso-xterm Mar 21 22:53:00 ahh ok Mar 21 22:53:08 bluto271828: there's xterm on ctl-shift-x iirc Mar 21 22:54:31 bluto271828: :: Mar 21 22:54:35 ok i'm excited. now I have to wait for it to arrive! hope it can keep an open connection over the 3G in chicago, put i think it should. Mar 21 22:54:35 ~usbfix Mar 21 22:54:36 from memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt Mar 21 22:54:46 ~flashing Mar 21 22:54:47 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Mar 21 22:55:58 bluto271828: for reinforcing a working undamaged USB you have no problems with an ordinary 60W iron Mar 21 22:56:20 it's really simple for everybody ever done soldering Mar 21 22:56:51 also: Mar 21 22:56:54 ~cssu Mar 21 22:56:54 well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Mar 21 22:57:46 for flashing note the second half of infobot's factoid! Mar 21 22:58:07 one question. how come the mailing lists stopped being archived? seems like a bunch of people still playing around with it? Mar 21 22:58:25 hmm no idea Mar 21 22:58:33 ~techstaff Mar 21 22:58:33 somebody said techstaff was techstaff(AT)maemo.org - the folks that keep your maemo infra running. Devotion to Duty http://xkcd.com/705/ Mar 21 23:00:13 warfare: ^^^ Mar 21 23:00:24 ok let me get the gear and perhaps you will get a not too horrible hacker to join up with you. i know how to role quite a bit of stuff but always question of priorities. lets see. also going to keep my eye on https://pyra-handheld.com/ Mar 21 23:00:52 *sigh* Mar 21 23:00:54 and see if they actually produce it and if there is a way to add modem Mar 21 23:01:02 but at least n900 exists Mar 21 23:01:09 and supposedly is on its way to me Mar 21 23:01:13 if pyra wasn't such a timesink, neo900 would be closer to getting finished Mar 21 23:01:37 oh ok Mar 21 23:01:41 see i don't shit Mar 21 23:01:44 no badmouthing about pyra though, awesome project Mar 21 23:01:50 i don't know shit Mar 21 23:02:07 ok i didn't know about that Mar 21 23:02:08 sorry Mar 21 23:02:11 little out of the loop Mar 21 23:02:19 np, not your fault either way Mar 21 23:02:20 http://neo900.org/ Mar 21 23:02:27 correct? Mar 21 23:02:29 yep Mar 21 23:02:33 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 Mar 21 23:03:18 ok but all of this is awesome Mar 21 23:03:35 because the netwalker stuff is completely dead and never had modem Mar 21 23:03:45 (pyra) they are already about to produce it, with same modem like Neo900 Mar 21 23:04:52 alas getting there caused severe overload to Nikolaus so now he's busy with catching up on private stuff, so I/Neo900 are without layouter for the next 6 to 9 months Mar 21 23:05:37 Or I find an alternative Mar 21 23:06:03 ok i'll be back tomorrow to listen in on this channel and the others Mar 21 23:06:11 welcome Mar 21 23:06:16 :-) Mar 21 23:06:20 thank you. Mar 21 23:06:53 new area to learn about. so thank you very much for info Mar 21 23:07:01 np Mar 21 23:07:15 thanks for keeping maemo alive Mar 21 23:07:51 just make sure to *ask* particularly when new to N900 Mar 21 23:08:05 stuff isn't always like you'd think it should# Mar 21 23:08:24 ooh Mar 21 23:08:27 ~jrtools Mar 21 23:08:28 methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Mar 21 23:09:29 ok later. Mar 21 23:09:32 bye Mar 21 23:09:35 \q Mar 22 00:17:47 DocScrutinizer05: still doing layout in eagle? Mar 22 00:18:16 still pondering if that's even feasible without Nikolaus' special router Mar 22 00:31:59 Ah, that's the trick Mar 22 00:32:49 been trying to do large BGAs in eagle... painful... impedence control is the killer. Mar 22 00:38:11 yep Mar 22 00:39:03 large BGA in eagle are extremely painful since eagle doesn't support in-pad vias (unless you manually edit the numerical coords of the via to sit in pad) Mar 22 00:39:28 which makes autorouter completely pointless Mar 22 00:40:52 I think there's a tool to do impedance matched traces, but I have no experience with it so can't tell if it does a decent job or is as useless as the via thing Mar 22 00:42:07 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders to at least write a ULP for automatically putting a via into a pad Mar 22 00:42:26 still would not help with autorouter Mar 22 00:43:40 VIP isn't has manufacturing issues Mar 22 00:43:55 problem is getting enough space to maintence impedence Mar 22 00:44:11 move a via and I need to manually figure out what movements I need to make to keep the impedence Mar 22 00:44:31 of course, you have a 0.4mm BGA which requires VIP Mar 22 00:49:12 yes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 22 02:59:58 2016