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Mar 23 08:51:31 <Oksanaa> Anybody has experience with using theonering for Google Voice? "Not signed in" /likely something simple/
Mar 23 09:45:10 <zGrr> moin
Mar 23 13:28:18 <parazyd> what xorg-video drivers usually work? fbdev or omap?
Mar 23 14:15:34 <kerio> can i get a LiPo BL-5j
Mar 23 14:16:59 <zGrr> you can. usually fake.
Mar 23 14:17:14 <kerio> :(
Mar 23 14:17:42 <zGrr> but you should be able to get 2/3 of the genuine capacity
Mar 23 14:22:02 <L29Ah> what's so good about lipo?
Mar 23 14:22:04 <parazyd> hmz, so... wl1251 is loaded as a module, but i cannot see my wlan0
Mar 23 14:22:16 <parazyd> is there something hidden somewhere i should know of?
Mar 23 14:23:05 <L29Ah> parazyd: dmesg | grep wl1251
Mar 23 14:23:06 <L29Ah> ?
Mar 23 14:23:49 <parazyd> how do i get the pipe character?
Mar 23 14:23:52 <parazyd> it's a tty
Mar 23 14:27:03 <L29Ah> ssh
Mar 23 14:27:06 <L29Ah> oh
Mar 23 14:27:14 <L29Ah> nvm
Mar 23 14:27:19 <parazyd> ifconfig wlan1 up
Mar 23 14:27:42 <parazyd> wl1251 spi4.0: Direct firmware load for ti-connectivity/wl1251-fw.bin failed with error -2
Mar 23 14:27:55 <parazyd> Falling back to user helper
Mar 23 14:28:00 <parazyd> could not get firmware: -11
Mar 23 14:29:02 <L29Ah> do you have /lib/firmware/wl1251-fw.bin
Mar 23 14:29:03 <L29Ah> ?
Mar 23 14:32:21 <parazyd> hmm, missing the entire ti-connectivity folder
Mar 23 14:32:27 <Sicelo> and i've never seen it show up as wlan1
Mar 23 14:32:52 <parazyd> can i reuse any available bins of that firmware?
Mar 23 14:32:59 <L29Ah> you don't need to have such a folder
Mar 23 14:33:32 <L29Ah> you can; dunno about copyright stuff and other proprietary bullshit
Mar 23 14:36:25 <parazyd> let me try transferring
Mar 23 14:50:56 <parazyd> got wlan3 now
Mar 23 14:51:06 <parazyd> trying to setup a connection now
Mar 23 14:51:45 <Sicelo> :/
Mar 23 14:51:52 <Sicelo> this is in maemo?
Mar 23 14:54:53 <parazyd> devuan
Mar 23 14:55:05 <parazyd> running now, got ssh finally :)
Mar 23 14:56:50 <L29Ah> report if you bring up xorg
Mar 23 14:57:02 <parazyd> will do 
Mar 23 14:57:14 <parazyd> that's the next thing after fixing up LEDs :D
Mar 23 15:02:00 <parazyd> L29Ah: what window manager do you recommend?
Mar 23 15:03:58 <L29Ah> actually dunno
Mar 23 15:04:05 <L29Ah> maemo stock one is fine
Mar 23 15:04:49 <L29Ah> also there are matchbox and illume
Mar 23 15:27:54 <parazyd> no screens found
Mar 23 15:28:01 <parazyd> will have to debug
Mar 23 16:04:02 <parazyd> L29Ah: got x running, with fbdev :)
Mar 23 16:04:52 <Wizzup> parazyd: replaced gentoo with devuan? :P 
Mar 23 16:04:56 <Wizzup> nice @ with fbdev
Mar 23 16:05:10 <Wizzup> L29Ah: I also have X working fine on gentoo
Mar 23 16:05:16 <Wizzup> inclusing touchpad, etc
Mar 23 16:05:20 <Wizzup> including*
Mar 23 16:05:59 <L29Ah> Wizzup: are you going to release stage4 at some point?
Mar 23 16:06:22 <Wizzup> I just build the xorg server with fbdev driver, and put some config files in place for the input devices, nothing fancy
Mar 23 16:06:32 <Wizzup> as I said, I compile on my chromebook :) 
Mar 23 16:06:45 <parazyd> Wizzup: how do you calibrate the screen?
Mar 23 16:06:54 <Wizzup> parazyd: it should be in the notes I pasted to you I think
Mar 23 16:07:02 <parazyd> mhm, will check
Mar 23 16:07:09 <parazyd> currently it's upside-down :D
Mar 23 16:07:13 <Wizzup> Yep, it's in there
Mar 23 16:07:20 <Wizzup> search for: * Touchscreen (INPUT_DRIVERS="tslib")
Mar 23 16:07:38 <parazyd> can you paste it again perhaps?
Mar 23 16:07:43 <Wizzup> Hehe.
Mar 23 16:07:59 <Wizzup> http://sprunge.us/MCMY
Mar 23 16:08:03 <parazyd> yeah, i tarred my last month's irc logs :D
Mar 23 16:08:05 <parazyd> thanks!
Mar 23 16:08:11 <Wizzup> that is just the TS related things
Mar 23 16:08:49 <parazyd> also wlanX is incremented on each boot, lol
Mar 23 16:08:59 <Wizzup> aren't you using vdev?
Mar 23 16:09:05 <Wizzup> That may be very well related to that
Mar 23 16:09:09 <Wizzup> Because I have no problems on eudev
Mar 23 16:09:13 <parazyd> udev
Mar 23 16:09:29 <parazyd> but i did no rules yet
Mar 23 16:11:49 <Wizzup> It's wlan0 here, always
Mar 23 16:12:57 <parazyd> these numbers aren't correct on devuan it seems (calibration)
Mar 23 16:13:10 <parazyd> no touches get registered now
Mar 23 16:14:24 * parazyd facepalms
Mar 23 16:14:54 <Wizzup> can you fallback to the gentoo image I gave you?
Mar 23 16:14:59 <Wizzup> you could see if it works there
Mar 23 16:15:06 <parazyd> no, it did work there
Mar 23 16:15:14 <parazyd> i think this is a tslib<->devuan issue
Mar 23 16:15:14 <Wizzup> ack
Mar 23 16:18:27 <parazyd> i'll try to compile tslib from github
Mar 23 16:28:44 <L29Ah> every other ip of my isp is banned on sfs, nice
Mar 23 16:29:37 <L29Ah> i guess it's incremented because the mac address is random every time
Mar 23 16:29:54 <L29Ah> you can correct the udev rules that were generated for your older macs to ignore it
Mar 23 16:31:15 <parazyd> got any idea how?
Mar 23 16:31:27 <parazyd> something with persistent-net maybe?
Mar 23 16:31:30 <L29Ah> yep
Mar 23 16:31:54 <L29Ah> just edit it, it's simple and self-documenting enough for the task
Mar 23 16:32:06 <parazyd> implying i have one :D
Mar 23 16:32:34 <L29Ah> have what?
Mar 23 16:33:26 <parazyd> the rule you told me to edit
Mar 23 16:33:45 <L29Ah> sure you do as otherwise they won't be incrementing every boot
Mar 23 16:34:13 <parazyd> blah they restored
Mar 23 16:34:26 <parazyd> i remember deleting them in order for a fix
Mar 23 16:34:36 <L29Ah> edit ffs
Mar 23 16:34:47 <Cor-Ai> a/away
Mar 23 16:34:51 <Cor-Ai> -.-
Mar 23 16:35:59 <parazyd> echo "#" > 75-persistent-net-generator.rules 
Mar 23 16:36:03 <parazyd> this is the fix
Mar 23 16:36:10 <parazyd> thanks
Mar 23 16:37:04 <L29Ah> meh
Mar 23 16:37:47 <parazyd> now for the tslib and all is set
Mar 23 17:23:17 <parazyd> tslib: Selected device is not a touchscreen (must support BTN_TOUCH or BTN_LEFT events)
Mar 23 17:23:45 <parazyd> the calibration screen shows up and asks me to touch the crosshair (which i cannot see)
Mar 23 17:23:51 <parazyd> anyone experienced this?
Mar 23 17:44:57 <parazyd> managed to calibrate with input/event5
Mar 23 17:45:07 <parazyd> but still no touches get registered when i'm in X
Mar 23 17:46:22 <KotCzarny> disable auto add input devices?
Mar 23 17:46:35 <KotCzarny> or add input/event5 as an input?
Mar 23 17:46:42 <KotCzarny> or load evdev module
Mar 23 18:02:14 <parazyd> no help
Mar 23 18:03:55 <KotCzarny> anything unusual in xorg.log?
Mar 23 18:08:57 <parazyd> heh
Mar 23 18:09:16 <parazyd> salvaging Wizzup's tslib module made it work!
Mar 23 18:09:28 <parazyd> awesomeness
Mar 23 18:55:52 <parazyd> any ideas how to get better performance with SDL (3d?)
Mar 23 18:56:09 <parazyd> out of maemo, that is
Mar 23 19:45:33 <sig> hi, is there a way to get Google calendar to work with Mail For Exchange?
Mar 23 19:45:48 <Sicelo> not on N900
Mar 23 19:45:51 <sig> ):
Mar 23 19:45:56 <sig> it used to work, I think
Mar 23 19:46:15 <sig> I tried connecting to m.google.com with my @gmail.com username, but I keep getting "Error in communication with Exchange server"
Mar 23 19:46:41 <sig> maybe it works for paid Google Apps subscriptions, then you'd put that @domain.com as username
Mar 23 19:46:51 <sig> I guess I should try that too
Mar 23 19:47:03 <sig> I'm pretty sure I used to get google calendar synced to N900
Mar 23 19:47:44 <sig> other than that (and that I never got MSCIM working) N900 still feels awesome
Mar 23 19:48:18 <sig> I've been using iDevices and Android lately, N900 still as backup device when iPhone got stolen  (:
Mar 23 19:48:58 <sig> if it only had decent maps app  /:
Mar 23 19:49:14 <sig> Nokia Maps is ok some of the time, but not quite Google Maps
Mar 23 19:55:13 <parazyd> does DRM work on n900?
Mar 23 19:55:18 <parazyd> direct rendering
Mar 23 19:58:12 <Sicelo> sig: yes, used to work. doesn't work since ages :)
Mar 23 19:58:49 <Sicelo> sig: for me Nokia Maps on N900 beats Google Maps .. i guess Google doesn't like my part of the world
Mar 23 20:03:28 <Sicelo> sig: Google decommissioned their exchange-capable service 
Mar 23 20:13:34 <ult> i'm having trouble with tshark -i wlan0, it quits after dissecting several packets (not malformed), usually 2. any ideas?
Mar 23 20:14:54 <ult> all related packages are from cssu repo, the only version that's there.
Mar 23 20:18:02 <L29Ah> can i make new packages for maemo with two simple commands on the n900 itself?
Mar 23 20:23:57 <ult> strangely, if run under it gdb with breakpoint set on wtap_read (calling chain is capture_input_new_packets -> sync_pipe_stop, which is called if wtap_read returns error and leads to SIGINT) and advance manually, tshark can display more packets - i've stopped after 16. seems like it has something to do with async access to temp capture held in /var/tmp/wiresharkXXX*. don't know how to troubleshoot it further.
Mar 23 20:25:10 <L29Ah> try using a newer version of wireshark
Mar 23 20:25:20 <ult> source https://github.com/wireshark/wireshark/blob/master/tshark.c
Mar 23 20:26:38 <ult> @L29Ah well, do you suggest me to build diff version?
Mar 23 20:26:46 <L29Ah> yep
Mar 23 20:27:45 <ult> tricky and tiresome i suspect. no idea why nobody else has this bug...
Mar 23 20:28:33 <L29Ah> because nobody uses n900 to sniff and tear apart network traffic? (:
Mar 23 20:29:58 <ult> somebody does, i'm sure. the thing is, back in the days on non-cssu firmware it worked just fine.
Mar 23 20:39:02 <sombragris> hi there
Mar 23 20:39:06 <sombragris> I need some help
Mar 23 20:39:17 <sombragris> N900 complains that device space is full
Mar 23 20:40:12 <sombragris> df tells me that /home and /home/opt partitions are full
Mar 23 20:40:18 <sombragris> what can I do to free some space?
Mar 23 20:40:43 <Gadgetoid> sombragris: whew, I remember those days. I'd go to crazy lengths to claw back space =(
Mar 23 20:44:15 <sombragris> Gadgetoid: indeed
Mar 23 20:44:48 <KotCzarny> sombragris: identify space hoggers
Mar 23 20:44:57 <KotCzarny> let me check the scriptlet
Mar 23 20:44:58 <Gadgetoid> IIRC it's because a lot of apps didn't stuff their crud onto the SD card ( /opt ? )
Mar 23 20:45:10 <sombragris> KotCzarny: ok, that's what would like
Mar 23 20:45:25 <Gadgetoid> I tend to use: du -sh *  a lot and walk my way manually down the directory trees
Mar 23 20:45:36 <KotCzarny> du -shx /home/*
Mar 23 20:45:41 <parazyd> try ncdu
Mar 23 20:45:45 <sombragris> I have 10 GB free space onboard (out of the 32 GB original)
Mar 23 20:45:52 <Gadgetoid> Mind. Blown.
Mar 23 20:46:03 <KotCzarny> you should add -x
Mar 23 20:46:11 <KotCzarny> so it wont traverse different filesystems
Mar 23 20:46:22 <Gadgetoid> Good point
Mar 23 20:46:29 <sombragris> KotCzarny: good point!
Mar 23 20:46:41 <Gadgetoid> I'm all about ncdu now, ncdu for the great justice!
Mar 23 20:46:46 <sombragris> now, what would be some directories safe to delete?
Mar 23 20:46:59 <KotCzarny> sombragris: most likely user data
Mar 23 20:47:00 <Gadgetoid> I sometimes wish I'd kept an N900, it was an endearing little phone, still have my N810 though :D
Mar 23 20:47:07 <KotCzarny> and probably uninstall some apps
Mar 23 20:47:21 <KotCzarny> Gadgetoid: do you listen to music?
Mar 23 20:47:37 <Gadgetoid> KotCzarny: I do, but not on the N810 :D
Mar 23 20:47:45 <KotCzarny> k, install oscp on n810
Mar 23 20:47:59 <KotCzarny> then discover this little thingy is still capable of being awesome
Mar 23 20:47:59 <Gadgetoid> Ooh?
Mar 23 20:48:02 <Gadgetoid> :D
Mar 23 20:48:07 <KotCzarny> Ã~oscp
Mar 23 20:48:12 <KotCzarny> ~oscp
Mar 23 20:48:12 <infobot> hmm... oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
Mar 23 20:48:31 <Gadgetoid> As usual, flat battery
Mar 23 20:48:48 <sombragris> ok
Mar 23 20:48:51 <sombragris> will do that
Mar 23 20:49:02 <KotCzarny> still, connect to hifi system then control from laptop?
Mar 23 20:49:23 <ult> don't know if this is outdated, but couple years ago i've used the script at the end of https://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#See_rootfs_usage_per_package to figure out what to erase/symlink 
Mar 23 20:54:33 <Gadgetoid> Damned if I can find a nokia charger
Mar 23 21:01:41 <Gadgetoid> Not a single on of my universal charger heads will fit, either!
Mar 23 21:01:54 <KotCzarny> yeah, 2mm is quite old
Mar 23 21:02:16 <KotCzarny> i buught me microusb--2mm barrel adapter
Mar 23 21:02:25 <KotCzarny> *bought
Mar 23 21:02:33 <Gadgetoid> That sounds like a sensible solution
Mar 23 21:10:29 <Gadgetoid> Bah doesn't even charge through the USB port
Mar 23 21:10:51 <KotCzarny> yup, sad design
Mar 23 21:11:01 <Gadgetoid> I wonder if I could bodge that with some enamel wire
Mar 23 21:11:20 <Gadgetoid> Probably a very bad idea
Mar 23 21:11:29 <KotCzarny> just order adapter for 1usd from ebay
Mar 23 21:13:58 <KotCzarny> oh well, they became almost extinct
Mar 23 21:14:45 <KotCzarny> or maybe not: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Small-Pin-USB-Charger-Lead-Cord-for-CA-100C-Nokia-Mobile-2mm-to-USB-Cable-/272057928728?hash=item3f57ea8c18:g:ikQAAOSw9mFWMcmY
Mar 23 21:15:28 <KotCzarny> 0.76usd
Mar 23 21:15:32 <KotCzarny> free shipping
Mar 23 21:15:38 <parazyd> lol
Mar 23 21:16:43 <Gadgetoid> Pretty sure this adaptor I have is the right size, it's just a tight fit
Mar 23 21:17:03 <KotCzarny> nokia could've used different hole
Mar 23 21:17:05 <Gadgetoid> I have one of those adapters somewhere, and an AC adapter
Mar 23 21:17:17 <KotCzarny> it shouldnt require force to insert
Mar 23 21:19:09 <Gadgetoid> Pfff, I spend my days pretending to be an electrical engineer, I can make this work whether it wants to or not :D
Mar 23 21:19:29 <KotCzarny> poor n810...
Mar 23 21:20:20 <Gadgetoid> Rome wasn't build without breaking a few omlettes!
Mar 23 21:20:25 <KotCzarny> seriously.. 0.76usd
Mar 23 21:20:34 <Gadgetoid> And. We have power!
Mar 23 21:20:40 <parazyd> \o/
Mar 23 21:20:41 <Gadgetoid> Nice tight fit, too, not of that pesky falling out
Mar 23 21:20:49 <KotCzarny> one way?
Mar 23 21:20:57 <Gadgetoid> I *think* it's removable
Mar 23 21:21:03 <KotCzarny> ie. not removable without damaging solder :P
Mar 23 21:21:43 <Gadgetoid> I've never opened up an N810 so I'll be careful since I don't fancy my chances of repairing it given my usual bung-it-through-the-reflow-until-it-works approach
Mar 23 21:22:16 <Gadgetoid> Not charging, it says, while powered on
Mar 23 21:22:18 <KotCzarny> anyway, adapter can stay inside i guess
Mar 23 21:22:33 <KotCzarny> you probably own only this 2mm barrel one
Mar 23 21:23:14 <KotCzarny> another possibility is that you just bent the pin inside ;)
Mar 23 21:27:55 <Gadgetoid> Hmm, I clearly need to read the datasheet- apparently it's not necessarily just a 5v input, but is tolerant of "Some arbitrary voltage range"
Mar 23 21:30:52 <KotCzarny> anyway, nite nite
Mar 23 22:24:52 <Gadgetoid> Woo, after much rebooting due to the battery being so old it's got grey hair, it's charging!
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