**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 29 02:59:58 2016
Mar 29 04:33:53 <azkay> Weeee n900 arrived
Mar 29 05:37:46 <bencoh> bleh, the alarm/timeshift bug hit me.... is that fixed in -testing?
Mar 29 05:38:29 <bencoh> (we just switched to DST, and... alarm ran an hour late ..)
Mar 29 05:45:31 <Defiant> what bug? My alarm was at the right time, which of course is another issue..
Mar 29 05:45:54 * Defiant would have liked an alarm a bit later
Mar 29 07:35:54 <azkay> So what's the go with CSSU in 2016? Stable or testing?
Mar 29 07:38:06 <L29Ah> anything goes
Mar 29 07:38:42 <L29Ah> and still not enough
Mar 29 07:46:58 <KotCzarny> azkay: if you know nothing about linux then go with stable, otherwise testing
Mar 29 07:57:32 <zGrr> moin :)
Mar 29 08:00:12 <azkay> I know enough, I just haven't touched N900 in maybe 3 years so I'm not really sure what has changed since haha
Mar 29 08:00:43 <azkay> With everything else that's gone on over with servers closing and mirrors starting, wasn't even sure if CSSU was still going
Mar 29 08:22:20 <azkay> I sure do wish I remembered to turn off wifi power saving before I started the cssu download haha
Mar 29 10:27:11 <kerio> this akku polarcell
Mar 29 10:27:12 <kerio> is pink
Mar 29 10:27:14 <kerio> why is it pink
Mar 29 10:29:44 <Defiant> because they go your favorite color from your amazon profile
Mar 29 10:30:05 <kerio> ;<
Mar 29 10:33:24 <kerio> anyway, calibratin
Mar 29 10:43:25 <drathir> lol kerio not wanna be rude or somethin like that but Your nick in mine irssi is also pink...
Mar 29 10:44:56 <drathir> kerio: but guessing when take a high temp of cell they will looks still normal - the same...
Mar 29 10:45:10 <kerio> no like
Mar 29 10:45:11 <kerio> the label
Mar 29 10:45:36 <drathir> ofc second is more joke...
Mar 29 10:46:31 <drathir> kerio: but for serious for n900? expensive was?
Mar 29 10:46:49 <kerio> 14.90 on amazon italy
Mar 29 10:47:28 <FIQ> what capacity is it?
Mar 29 10:47:34 <drathir> sounds not so bad... takin on mind only few nokia devices using them...
Mar 29 10:47:42 <kerio> FIQ: nominal 1400
Mar 29 10:47:48 <FIQ> isn't it only like
Mar 29 10:47:51 <kerio> should end up being in the high 1400s if it's a legit polarcell
Mar 29 10:48:01 <FIQ> N8, N900 and 5800XpressMusic?
Mar 29 10:48:09 <drathir> but c3
Mar 29 10:48:12 <kerio> there's also a lumia that uses the bl-5j
Mar 29 10:48:12 <FIQ> kerio, ah, ok
Mar 29 10:48:20 <FIQ> I see
Mar 29 10:48:30 <KotCzarny> go polarcell
Mar 29 10:48:35 <KotCzarny> go go go
Mar 29 10:48:40 <kerio> DUDE I'M GOING CHILL
Mar 29 10:48:50 <KotCzarny> dont be afraid of pink
Mar 29 10:48:53 <KotCzarny> embrace it!
Mar 29 10:49:04 <FIQ> at least it isn't lime green
Mar 29 10:50:17 <drathir> but not sure if c3/c2 chargin to full battery capacity... the battery are the same still..
Mar 29 10:51:40 * drathir need reanimate usb in mine... last cssu upgrade go w/o probem even w/o usb good to have second n900 for charging purposes...
Mar 29 10:54:52 <drathir> Version 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 onboard...
Mar 29 10:59:06 <drathir> but not yet upgraded kernel power bc of collision in gui updater, and apt-get dont follow HTTP_PROXY env from console...
Mar 29 11:00:43 <Maxdamantus> I think the environment variable is usually in lower-case, oddly.
Mar 29 11:00:53 <Maxdamantus> dunno if apt-get uses it though.
Mar 29 11:01:20 <drathir> sad there isnt in repo proxychains...
Mar 29 11:02:01 <drathir> will help so much...
Mar 29 11:36:14 <KotCzarny> drathir: did you try making package yourself?
Mar 29 12:08:54 <drathir> KotCzarny: debian packaging is a nightmare... also im not sure if im able to handle build on one battery w/o external charging...
Mar 29 12:30:15 <DocScrutinizer05> drathir: you're building on target platform? :-o
Mar 29 12:30:55 <kerio> truly a god amongst men
Mar 29 13:21:44 <azkay> Is there a working google maps app that anyone knows of? Doesn't work in browser, just tried GeePS which doesn't seem to want to search
Mar 29 13:24:35 <bencoh> which part of gmap do you need? the map tiles, or the search?
Mar 29 13:24:42 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: if i will try build probably will do that directly at n900 not crosscompiling...
Mar 29 13:26:13 <drathir> DocScrutinizer05: the same was doin at alarm on n900 , yea i know its little killing of device and probably not possible to build everything this way...
Mar 29 13:30:49 <DocScrutinizer05> lazy bot
Mar 29 13:31:15 <DocScrutinizer05> and here it is again
Mar 29 13:32:18 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wb
Mar 29 13:32:20 <infobot> It's great to be back!
Mar 29 13:32:39 <DocScrutinizer05> ~+uptime
Mar 29 13:32:40 <infobot> - Uptime for purl -
Mar 29 13:32:41 <infobot> Now: 1m 53s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Mar 29 13:32:41 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Mar 29 13:32:42 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Mar 29 13:32:42 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Mar 29 13:34:24 <DocScrutinizer05> bot time again, thanks to purl
Mar 29 13:34:34 <DocScrutinizer05> bot time again, thanks purl
Mar 29 13:34:45 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks purl
Mar 29 13:34:45 <infobot> sure thing, DocScrutinizer05
Mar 29 14:10:02 <azkay> Just the normal search an address, see it on the map type dealio
Mar 29 14:12:15 <drathir> infobot: botsnack
Mar 29 14:12:15 <infobot> thanks, drathir
Mar 29 14:13:33 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: will something bad happen if i vboost "against" a wallcharger
Mar 29 14:25:37 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Mar 29 14:25:42 <DocScrutinizer05> definitely not
Mar 29 14:52:34 <kerio> will something good happen
Mar 29 14:52:38 <kerio> like increased power consumption
Mar 29 14:52:48 <kerio> (good because i'm calibrating the battery)
Mar 29 15:13:16 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Mar 29 15:13:56 <kerio> how significant of a reduction in measured capacity will i have if i drain the battery at a constant ~250mA rate
Mar 29 15:14:02 <DocScrutinizer05> boost converter will eat a tiny bit of energy
Mar 29 15:14:21 <DocScrutinizer05> compared to what?
Mar 29 15:14:45 <kerio> ...i was going to say "compared to the actual capacity" but that's not really a thing anyway
Mar 29 15:14:59 <kerio> goddamn chemical batteries
Mar 29 15:15:11 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Mar 29 15:15:37 <kerio> let's say compared to normal idling/usage
Mar 29 15:15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> the capacity at 5mA might well be 1.5 times that at 250mA
Mar 29 15:15:51 <kerio> damn
Mar 29 15:16:25 <DocScrutinizer05> but that only means that your phone will shutdown instantly when after >1T you try to draw 250mA
Mar 29 15:18:11 <DocScrutinizer05> otoh you still can draw 5mA for 0.5T after battery reached end-of-discharge at 250mA
Mar 29 15:18:34 <DocScrutinizer05> so it's not really that bad an issue
Mar 29 15:18:51 <DocScrutinizer05> the battery literally gets weak
Mar 29 15:19:09 <DocScrutinizer05> eventually it's too weak to let device do some if the tasks
Mar 29 15:19:47 <DocScrutinizer05> s/ if / of /
Mar 29 15:19:47 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: eventually it's too weak to let device do some of the tasks
Mar 29 15:22:15 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, T is >50* for 5mA compared to 250mA, but that isn't exactly what you're probing for during calibration, you almost can't
Mar 29 15:26:58 <DocScrutinizer05> what you could do is: discharge for a 100 minutes at 5mA, shut off load, let recover 1 minute, probe voltage. Then recharge to 100% and repeat the process with 250mA and 2min discharge. Compare the two voltages. That gives you an idea about the true difference
Mar 29 15:28:31 <kerio> assuming stuff is linear
Mar 29 15:29:19 <DocScrutinizer05> no, you exactly check the chemical/electric nonlinearities in cell here
Mar 29 15:30:06 <DocScrutinizer05> in theory an ideal cell would have identical voltage after 100min@5mA and 2min@250mA
Mar 29 15:30:48 <DocScrutinizer05> a non-ideal ("onlinear") cell will differ in voltage without load, after some recovery time
Mar 29 15:31:43 <DocScrutinizer05> the difference is the correction factor you could apply to discharge metering, based on discharge current
Mar 29 15:32:14 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the ratio, not the difference
Mar 29 15:33:25 <DocScrutinizer05> then you 'only' need to determine what's your question when looking at the battery charge meter
Mar 29 15:34:18 <DocScrutinizer05> is the question "how long will it take until TX at full power will cease?" or is it "how long can I standby idle?"
Mar 29 15:34:46 <DocScrutinizer05> some very smart meters tend to show both values
Mar 29 15:35:24 <DocScrutinizer05> the math behind it is slightly non-trivial but for sure no witchcraft
Mar 29 15:39:05 <L29Ah> too bad the temporal resolution of the n900 battery controller is so poor
Mar 29 15:39:11 <L29Ah> otherwise we could do this in software
Mar 29 15:42:09 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, the temporal resolution is around 2.5s
Mar 29 15:42:22 <DocScrutinizer05> for some values
Mar 29 15:42:30 <DocScrutinizer05> a tad higher for others
Mar 29 15:43:19 <DocScrutinizer05> generally the resolution is pretty good for this task, since the gas gauge integrates
Mar 29 15:43:51 <DocScrutinizer05> not voltage but Coulomb
Mar 29 15:45:28 <L29Ah> but we can't get to know the ability of the battery to handle high and short current spikes that the phone usage mostly consists of
Mar 29 15:45:42 <DocScrutinizer05> via Coulomb you get the integral of discharge for last window (a few seconds). For voltage you need to keep consumption of the device low anyway, since otherwise noise is way too high
Mar 29 15:46:27 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, that's a tad of a problem, you can solve this only with relatively constant high current you use to probe the cell impedance
Mar 29 15:47:44 <DocScrutinizer05> you have a relatively good idea of cell impedance when you once test voltage at 5mA and then at 500mA
Mar 29 15:48:39 <DocScrutinizer05> you get voltage without load by probing several times in a row and taking the maximum out of that sequence
Mar 29 15:49:21 <L29Ah> afaik it's not quite linear, for instance i've seen liion batteries losing the voltage quickly when a high current was applied, but then stabilizing at some slower pace
Mar 29 15:49:38 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, of course
Mar 29 15:49:50 <L29Ah> k maybe i should grok the actual theories instead of chatting
Mar 29 15:49:52 <DocScrutinizer05> that's the correction factor mentioned above
Mar 29 15:50:57 <L29Ah> the internal resistance alone can't account for this event as it takes some time after the current is applied
Mar 29 15:51:26 <L29Ah> *constant current
Mar 29 15:52:33 <DocScrutinizer05> basically a cell is a huuuuge capacitor (well a pretty nonlinear one) in series to a resistive impedance of up to several 100 milliOhms, with another true capacitor to buffer output voltage (RC timing in the range of 5 to 30s), plus yet another series impedance that dirctly has immediate impact on voltage vs output current without any buffering
Mar 29 15:55:28 <DocScrutinizer05> depending on the accuracy of equivalent virtual circuit you need, you can add more RC stages, one for the sub-1s range and one for the >100s range for example. And yet another for the millisecond range
Mar 29 15:56:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the question is if you need all that to answer your question to the meter, which is yet to be defined precisely
Mar 29 15:57:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ater all any such meter prediction is only based on some assumption regarding usage pattern in the furture
Mar 29 15:59:25 <DocScrutinizer05> if you want a precise meter, you not only need a precise virtual circuit equeivalent of the cell, but also need a zillion concurrent values the meter displays, for a zillion possible usage scenarios during the next 2 to 200h
Mar 29 16:06:30 <DocScrutinizer05> what you can meter and calculate and display relatively precisely is a "xxx mAh left at 300mA constant load until voltage at this current drops below N.N volts"
Mar 29 16:07:25 <kerio> Last Measured Discharge (LMD): 1122.765 mAh what the shit
Mar 29 16:07:38 <DocScrutinizer05> and you probably can also chnage the "300" in this to any other arbitrary value
Mar 29 16:08:16 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: redo, it might still ahve a hangover from your previous bad battery?
Mar 29 16:08:38 <kerio> it also didn't reset itself when i switched the battery
Mar 29 16:08:43 <DocScrutinizer05> LMD is meaningless unless you get almost same value twice in a row
Mar 29 16:08:43 <kerio> (i used the slide trick)
Mar 29 16:08:49 <kerio> (i shouldn't have used the slide trick) 
Mar 29 16:09:11 <kerio> oh hm
Mar 29 16:09:14 <kerio> maybe it didn't calibrate?
Mar 29 16:09:16 <DocScrutinizer05> what's the slide trick?
Mar 29 16:09:22 <kerio> how do i check that again?
Mar 29 16:09:32 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: lift old battery, slide new battery under it, push it in
Mar 29 16:09:41 <kerio> to maintain the clock
Mar 29 16:09:44 <DocScrutinizer05> check for calibration? see "cycles since last learning"
Mar 29 16:09:57 <kerio> Cycle Count Since Learning Cycle (CYCL): 0 cycles
Mar 29 16:10:03 <kerio> ._.
Mar 29 16:10:07 <DocScrutinizer05> so it calibrated
Mar 29 16:10:11 <kerio> maybe i just got a dud
Mar 29 16:10:30 <kerio> the old battery had the same LMD
Mar 29 16:11:00 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe your gauge didn't accept the LMD since it been to far off from the previous one. It only adjusts a 12.5% per learning cycle iirc
Mar 29 16:11:41 <kerio> we'll see
Mar 29 16:11:42 <kerio> i mean
Mar 29 16:11:53 <kerio> apparently it hit EDV1 at 12% csoc
Mar 29 16:12:02 <kerio> ideally it should be 6, right
Mar 29 16:12:31 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Mar 29 16:13:13 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like your new LMD is a 6% (12-8) lower than the previous one
Mar 29 16:13:29 <DocScrutinizer05> (12-6) ohmy
Mar 29 16:14:31 <DocScrutinizer05> you might want to completely charge the cell prior to starting calibration
Mar 29 16:15:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, really charge it for 4h
Mar 29 16:15:52 <DocScrutinizer05> or 1:30 beyond light turns green
Mar 29 16:22:09 <kerio> we'll see
Mar 29 16:22:18 <kerio> but this polarcell looks sketchy as hell tho
Mar 29 16:23:15 <DocScrutinizer05> (slide trick) DocScrutinizer05's magic battery speedswap ;-D
Mar 29 16:23:33 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: is that fast enough to hotswap a battery, btw?
Mar 29 16:23:45 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I never tested it :-)
Mar 29 16:23:57 <kerio> you should
Mar 29 16:24:12 <DocScrutinizer05> on a regular maemo it fails due to BSI/BME
Mar 29 16:24:17 <kerio> :c
Mar 29 16:24:17 <Sicelo> huh? never tested the hotswap method you documented on forum?
Mar 29 16:24:33 <kerio> Sicelo: not the hotswap with offline mode, suspend to ram and cable plugged in
Mar 29 16:24:38 <kerio> yoloswapping a battery without another power source
Mar 29 16:24:43 <Sicelo> ah, ok.
Mar 29 16:24:54 <kerio> by just being very very fast
Mar 29 16:25:08 <kerio> somehow i doubt it will work
Mar 29 16:25:16 <DocScrutinizer05> me too
Mar 29 16:25:40 <DocScrutinizer05> let's see... we got a maybe...
Mar 29 16:26:40 <DocScrutinizer05> 200uF buffer on Vbatt
Mar 29 16:26:55 <kerio> less math more yolo
Mar 29 16:26:55 <DocScrutinizer05> we have a idle current around 5mA
Mar 29 16:27:10 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: even with software suspend?
Mar 29 16:28:26 <DocScrutinizer05> 0.2mAs/V / 5mA = 0.04s/V
Mar 29 16:28:44 <DocScrutinizer05> suspend to ram are 2 or 3mA
Mar 29 16:29:32 <DocScrutinizer05> seems at battery end voltage of 3.4V you could get away with 20ms swap time
Mar 29 16:29:51 <DocScrutinizer05> *might* work
Mar 29 16:30:31 <bluto271828> hi all. got my first n900. it says 10.2010.19-1.002 for version. app manager works. installed dropbear ssh client. got SIM for GPRS. Monitoring my system via ncurses app. All working. mind blown! Bought two more from ebay. installed rootsh, setup passwds, installed dropbear server. poking around remotely via wlan. amazing. if it is you guys still running the repos where I got dropbear and rootsh. Thank you so much! thats it for now. sorry to bother you. b
Mar 29 16:31:36 <DocScrutinizer05> not bothering us at all
Mar 29 16:31:40 <DocScrutinizer05> welcome here!
Mar 29 16:32:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Mar 29 16:32:01 <infobot> jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Mar 29 16:34:35 <DocScrutinizer05> bluto271828: please stay and bother us some more :-)
Mar 29 16:34:52 <Sicelo> bluto271828: you may want to upgrade your version of Maemo
Mar 29 16:34:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
Mar 29 16:35:00 <infobot> somebody said cssu was http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Mar 29 16:35:03 <bluto271828> cool. thanks. as I have time will use other phones to start playing around. see if I can install this CSSU. understand how to clash
Mar 29 16:35:08 <bluto271828> flash sorry
Mar 29 16:35:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~slashing
Mar 29 16:35:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing
Mar 29 16:35:31 <infobot> somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh
Mar 29 16:35:57 <bluto271828> yeah I'm going to wait for the 2nd phone to arrive first. this one is already too useful :)
Mar 29 16:36:07 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
Mar 29 16:36:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Mar 29 16:36:13 <infobot> well, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Mar 29 16:36:38 <bluto271828> in someways it is depressing to realize things have gone backwards. why the f isnt there something like this anymore. it sucks. 
Mar 29 16:36:50 <DocScrutinizer05> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142 
Mar 29 16:37:21 <DocScrutinizer05> sure, way too expensive, sorry for that
Mar 29 16:38:08 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway you're not alone, welcome to the club of people who don't like those leete new whyPhones
Mar 29 16:38:41 <bluto271828> yeah i will buy it if you are able to make it. not too expensive. 
Mar 29 16:39:35 <DocScrutinizer05> we are only able to make it when we get sufficient preorders. This isn't a product built for shelf, it's built to order with your name on it ;-)
Mar 29 16:39:50 <bluto271828> yeah i understand
Mar 29 16:40:00 <bluto271828> no problem i will preorder just haven't hot that far yet
Mar 29 16:40:13 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Mar 29 16:40:16 <DocScrutinizer05> welcome
Mar 29 16:40:17 <bluto271828> only figure out what is going on like last week
Mar 29 16:40:34 <bluto271828> got that far. i mean 
Mar 29 16:40:43 <DocScrutinizer05> nice you finally found this niche of the scene
Mar 29 16:41:33 <DocScrutinizer05> /join #neo900
Mar 29 16:42:10 * DocScrutinizer05 shuts up - too much advertisement
Mar 29 16:42:10 <bluto271828> yeah i did last week. slowly slowly
Mar 29 16:43:01 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm the guy in duty of Neo900
Mar 29 16:43:11 <bluto271828> i understand
Mar 29 16:43:21 <DocScrutinizer05> here however it's about N900 and maemo devices at large
Mar 29 16:43:47 <DocScrutinizer05> ;-)
Mar 29 16:44:12 <DocScrutinizer05> why dropbear? I use OpenSSH
Mar 29 16:46:05 <bluto271828> i'll be back as I have anything to contribute. no reason. it was the first as I was scrolling through and I honestly wasn't expecting it to work. so I just clicked on it. then I realized I need to solve this root issue. so found a description saying rootfs package will fix the sudo gainroot
Mar 29 16:46:37 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Mar 29 16:46:50 <DocScrutinizer05> just beware of apt-get upgrade!
Mar 29 16:47:27 <DocScrutinizer05> get CSSU-testing, it comes with speedyham which is incredibly faster than stock HAM
Mar 29 16:47:57 <DocScrutinizer05> upgrading to CSSU is a pretty low risk easy thing that won't break your device
Mar 29 16:48:00 <DocScrutinizer05> or system
Mar 29 16:48:51 <bluto271828> yeah that is why I immediately ordered 2 more. As soon as I realized this will work for my problem but at the same time I want to learn HOW it is working. I can tell from your Wiki and other stuff this will get pretty hands on. so 2 more on their way to me via ebay
Mar 29 16:49:21 <DocScrutinizer05> where from?
Mar 29 16:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> private seller, or hongkong refurbished?
Mar 29 16:50:55 <bluto271828> I'll come back when I can mess around more. Don't let me distract you from whatever it is you are working on now. 1st one came from US, some random guy in AL it seems. 
Mar 29 16:51:47 <bluto271828> the 2nd one looks like again from some in US. 3rd says hongkong
Mar 29 16:51:48 <DocScrutinizer05> you want to check 
Mar 29 16:51:52 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Mar 29 16:51:52 <infobot> well, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Mar 29 16:52:39 <bluto271828> absolutely. thank you i will follow your steps
Mar 29 16:56:28 <bluto271828> you all have my best wishes and its super cool you are here to ask questions and to help. hopefully over time I'll find a way to help you back. gotta run right now to finish working on dam tax stuff to give to my cpa. but anyway, i'll lurk when I can. and when I have a 2nd device i'll start again playing around. talk to you later and good luck!!
Mar 29 16:59:46 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
Mar 29 18:03:31 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.n-tv.de/politik/NDR-Satire-Tuerkei-bestellt-Botschafter-ein-article17328671.html
Mar 29 18:06:31 <DocScrutinizer05> of course even RT   https://www.rt.com/news/337509-turkey-erdogan-germany-envoy/
Mar 29 18:09:26 <DocScrutinizer05> laughing my skinny ass off
Mar 29 18:09:51 <DocScrutinizer05> Streisand^23
Mar 29 18:10:45 <APic> B-)
Mar 29 18:13:48 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly I can't recall ever before almost suffocating from laughing while watching official german TV news  http://www.tagesschau.de/
Mar 29 18:14:46 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/erdogan-satire-103.html
Mar 29 18:22:13 <DocScrutinizer05> NB not laughing about the video which is nice but not particularly outstanding, but about that fool who thinks he can order German government to take that video down and thus caused what I predict will be the biggest case of Streisand effect even known
Mar 29 18:23:35 <DocScrutinizer05> it's an excellent case to show why Turkey doesn't belong into EU
Mar 29 21:03:25 <bluto271828> Hi. Ok already 2 really quick questions. (1) batteries. I see PolarCell was the conclusion in late 2010 and seems still - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568&page=167. so about to buy http://www.ebay.com/itm/PolarCell-Battery-Nokia-X6-00-5230-5800-N900-C3-00-BL-5J-5228-XpressMusic-XM-/371422346791?hash=item567a7f3e27:g:4S0AAOSwxCxT5f1G . unless you someone says NO NO bad idea. (2) mosh? been running around town all day with ssh (dbclient) via int
Mar 29 22:08:43 <bluto271828> found this. http://sinanimodelucro.net/lang/es/2013/02/11/mosh-connect-to-your-servers-on-roaming-networks-even-from-n900-maemo-5/. but stuck on making my perl work. probably this all works if I moved to CSSU. anyway. see you tomorrow maybe
Mar 29 22:10:59 <bluto271828> "Package perl is not installed". 
Mar 29 22:11:00 <bluto271828> Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Mar 29 22:11:00 <bluto271828> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free
Mar 29 22:11:00 <bluto271828> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free
Mar 29 22:11:08 <bluto271828> Nokia-N900:~# uname -a
Mar 29 22:11:08 <bluto271828> Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Thu Apr 15 09:47:09 EEST 2010 armv7l unknown
Mar 29 22:11:52 <bluto271828> \q
Mar 29 22:11:57 <bluto271828> exit
Mar 29 22:13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ohmy, wish he stayed after asking questions
Mar 29 22:13:15 <DocScrutinizer05> mosh is nonsense
Mar 29 22:18:13 <Pali> perl is not installed??
Mar 29 22:18:14 <Pali> wtf?
Mar 29 22:18:21 <Pali> without perl debian cannot work
Mar 29 22:18:25 <Pali> and maemo is debian
Mar 29 22:19:09 <Kabouik> If anyone has any idea on this (https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1502414&postcount=10), please highlight me! :]
Mar 29 22:20:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-24.log.html#t2013-10-24T19:14:51   http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2013-10-24.log.html#t2013-10-24T19:24:02
Mar 29 22:39:39 <Kabouik> No ideas?
Mar 30 01:47:05 <azkay_> I need a day free so I can make an uber program
Mar 30 01:47:12 <azkay_> Someone want to give me a free day?
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