**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 30 02:59:58 2016 Mar 30 07:47:36 Day 1 with the N900: Better buy a new battery, I've a feeling this used one has been used a bit. Need to figure out why my fcam isn't working, figure out why gps isn't locating, and figure out why my proxy is being ignored Mar 30 07:54:58 azkay_: have you reflashed it Mar 30 08:01:09 Yeah its a clean install + cssu just installed Mar 30 08:01:47 installed fcam drivers then fcamera, rebooted and main camera is blank, fcamera is white. GPS won't lock on with the supl.nokia.com or supl.google.com Mar 30 08:04:26 try `mplayer tv://` Mar 30 08:26:40 Can't open /dev/video0 Mar 30 08:26:51 Must be kernel power/fcam problem Mar 30 08:27:22 have you installed it after fcam Mar 30 08:27:30 i don't remember what's the correct order Mar 30 08:27:38 kernel power? I installed it first, fcam-drivers second, fcamera third Mar 30 08:27:53 On a seperate note, does anyone have a mirror for the qt sdk for windows? Mar 30 08:32:22 Found it, I think Mar 30 09:07:12 Classic, 160kb/s lol Mar 30 09:21:33 azkay_: expect GPS to take at least 15 mins Mar 30 09:28:24 Dayummmm, things have changed since 2012 lol. I would get gps lock in <30 seconds Mar 30 09:29:09 depends on what you (your device) already knows about the current gps state, aka Mar 30 09:29:23 if you have network you can quickly get gpx fix, if not wait Mar 30 09:30:19 azkay_: I think that supl.nokia.com works for me Mar 30 09:32:38 Yeah I had it this morning on 3g, tried supl.nokia.com and supl.google.com. After 5+ minutes of walking and it not locking on, I gave up lol Mar 30 10:07:40 azkay_: you should be on CSSU. the supl server isue was solved in CSSU. it's certificat-related. Mar 30 10:10:05 Spooky Mar 30 10:10:09 I think it's more likely to lock if you're not walking around. Mar 30 10:11:12 I've only done it once or twice, and had to leave it for a few minutes to get a lock (never tried with the network assistance stuff) Mar 30 10:11:47 Defiant: AGPS hasn't worked on N900 in a while.. Mar 30 10:12:02 Luke-Jr: not? Mar 30 10:12:11 Sicelo: how do I check if I ahve that? Mar 30 10:14:03 mameo version Mar 30 10:16:23 ? Mar 30 10:22:04 azkay_: not sure if still workin but agps should speedup gps sync... Mar 30 10:23:09 Yep I have been using agps. But yeah, after what Luke said I checked TMO for agps problems, other people are having the same problem on and off Mar 30 10:27:09 GPS is almost instant when I'm on 3G Mar 30 10:27:22 agps no matter but keep on mind depend on world region n900 if not wrong not support new one glonass sattelites russia ones... Mar 30 10:27:36 ~gsm-agps Mar 30 10:27:37 extra, extra, read all about it, rrlp is the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP Mar 30 10:28:59 but ofc not 100% sure if its corectly glonass not supported... Mar 30 10:30:55 also nice is gpsdata app... Mar 30 10:31:17 drathir: GPS at least is global; I would imagine GLONASS is as well Mar 30 10:32:34 well, zhat's not exactly correct. GPS gets selectively disabled for some areas of this globe, sometimes Mar 30 10:32:35 Luke-Jr: Yea but with more than one system in range the lock should be faster if in range... theoretically ofc... Mar 30 10:33:10 DocScrutinizer05: disabled by who? Mar 30 10:33:23 USA, whom else? Mar 30 10:33:33 how? Mar 30 10:33:47 the sats stop transmitting when they're located there? Mar 30 10:34:37 Also depending on coverage and sattelite avability... when locked often possible to keep inside building signall sometimes too... Mar 30 10:34:38 dunno, prolly by switching on the random aka "selective availability" or by simply shutting off the sats when they're over e.g Russia or Ukraine Mar 30 10:36:41 Didn't think n900 supported GLONASS? Mar 30 10:40:38 russia glonass and europe one galileo... Mar 30 10:42:11 if you're on 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 or 21.2011.38-1Smaemo7 .. that's what i meant. bad connection i have here, sorry Mar 30 10:42:47 N900 only supports GPS Mar 30 10:50:55 Luke-Jr: dunno think I had better site a few years ago, but http://www.nstb.tc.faa.gov/24Hr_RAIM.htm Mar 30 10:56:58 i don't know about you but i get a gps fix in like 12 seconds Mar 30 10:57:11 from indoors Mar 30 10:57:25 3G? Mar 30 10:57:39 (me too) Mar 30 10:57:54 only when on 3G Mar 30 10:59:03 and the age old gag that GPS doesn't work when system time isn't set correctly is for sure still a laugh Mar 30 10:59:18 it's truly the dankest meme Mar 30 11:02:43 actually trilatteration is working indoors too and is faster than GPS and possibly even more precise Mar 30 11:03:25 ~u-tdoa Mar 30 11:03:26 u-tdoa is, like, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA Mar 30 11:05:37 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA#Mission-critical_safety_and_security Mar 30 11:06:03 Woooo, 30 minutes until sdk is downloaded Mar 30 11:11:37 and N900 evidently uses RRLP Mar 30 11:14:24 tl;dr: RRLP is the GSM based "A-GPS" that doesn't even need sats Mar 30 11:15:19 it's the protocol that's used to transport U-TDOA data from carrier to phone Mar 30 11:16:00 s/data/results/ Mar 30 11:16:01 DocScrutinizer05 meant: it's the protocol that's used to transport U-TDOA results from carrier to phone Mar 30 11:18:09 moteworthy: even when you rip out the GPS chip from your phone, U-TDOA still tells carrier where you are, with 50m precision Mar 30 11:18:25 nowadays even more precise Mar 30 11:19:02 Note*worthy Mar 30 11:20:55 also note that U-TDOA works with *any* radio technology, no matter if cellphone or walkietalkies or remote control or WLAN or you-name-it Mar 30 11:21:48 as long as it transmits RF (VHF, UHF ++), it can get located within fraction of a second Mar 30 11:23:25 I even calculated the amount of HDD each of a network of general-purpose U-TDOA sensors to cover all frequencies of a country with 100% area coverage would take Mar 30 11:23:50 it's in the range of a 6 digit cost per sensor station, peanuts for TLAs Mar 30 11:26:14 to learn live what U-TDOA can do and how it works, see http://en.blitzortung.org/live_lightning_maps.php Mar 30 11:29:35 NB it's not working with directional antennas but simply with timestamps so the sensor stations can determine *relative* distance to RF event Mar 30 11:30:15 so it's sort of "terrestrial GPS upside-down" Mar 30 11:31:50 and yeah, there also might be sat-borne U-TDOA Mar 30 11:39:08 sth with battery applet sucks! it tells me charge is at 84%, after 48h of charging Mar 30 11:39:45 have you calibrated bq27k Mar 30 11:39:52 standalone gps lock in few seconds but needed go outside... Mar 30 11:39:56 whatever that is meant to mean, it's buzzling like hell Mar 30 11:41:02 DocScrutinizer05: lol gps even possible to synchronise clock in theory... Mar 30 11:41:03 well, bq27200 tells me battery is at 99% Mar 30 11:42:14 DocScrutinizer05: w/o agps even possible to +/- localise device with net monitor ^^ Mar 30 11:43:18 celltower localise in cities even possible high meters accuracy... Mar 30 11:45:08 30s at closed window down in the street (buildings all around) Mar 30 11:45:45 drathir: U-TDOA is carrier-based "cell tower location" Mar 30 11:46:14 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U-TDOA Mar 30 11:47:02 (btw the fix after 30s was +-~20m accurate) Mar 30 11:51:03 but that highly depend on cell tower density in town with high amount of towers will be more accurate tracking as precise to detect on which street person is, outside town more by areas in km ranges...... Mar 30 11:51:36 laag ;/ Mar 30 11:52:16 DocScrutinizer05: modprobe -r rx51-battery Mar 30 11:53:39 drathir: sort of, yes Mar 30 11:54:12 advanced power with nokia bme alternative give me 84% 4h/174m second battery indicator 95% 1200/1262mAh 4h/5d Mar 30 11:55:41 looks similar but with diff % ^^ Mar 30 12:01:25 lol U-TDOA is uniquely suited for mission-critical safety and security applications: better and shorter write spy and track mobile user ^^ Mar 30 12:04:06 Noooo, nearly out of beer ): Mar 30 12:04:11 How will I code without beer? Mar 30 12:04:16 also interesting if every celltover record any phone "radio mac" even if the sim is off... that could be a big amount of data to handle... Mar 30 12:04:56 in theory i guess that is possible interesting if used... Mar 30 12:05:32 azkay_: maybe with wine? ^^ Mar 30 12:06:25 No wine ): Mar 30 12:06:58 pacman -S wine good taste ^^ Mar 30 12:07:17 azkay_: jokin ofc... Mar 30 12:09:13 haha Mar 30 12:09:36 apt-get libbeerisbetter-dev ;( Mar 30 12:09:38 ;)* Mar 30 12:11:23 ahhhhhhhhh, spent 4 hours downloading this sdk and it doesn't even have fremantle ): Mar 30 12:11:35 it has symbian and harmattan Mar 30 12:11:37 boooooo Mar 30 12:11:40 hmm Mar 30 12:11:49 get vm image Mar 30 12:11:55 all installed, ready to use Mar 30 12:12:25 Yeah, that's the worst case scenario, I wanted to do it right out of windows without having to bother going through virtual machines ): Mar 30 12:12:41 I had it working back in 2012, but can't remember what I installed Mar 30 12:15:00 o.O Mar 30 12:15:04 sdk in windoze? Mar 30 12:18:20 Yeah Mar 30 12:18:41 Back in the day one of the windows installers with qtcreator had all the presets for n900 development Mar 30 12:19:03 colinux? Mar 30 12:20:13 Hadn't heard of that since now Mar 30 12:21:25 azkay_: weak server or conn? Mar 30 12:22:02 Can't escape virtual machines anyway. Mar 30 12:22:11 Everything runs in a VM nowadays. Mar 30 12:22:13 I escaped it once, I'll escape it again :P Mar 30 12:22:24 drathir, what's this about? Mar 30 12:22:38 Programs want to mess with memory using integer addresses. Mar 30 12:23:14 so we have to make these stupid memory management systems that intercept operations on those addresses. Mar 30 12:24:48 Waste time with these stupid "system calls" .. and page faults. Mar 30 12:25:06 Why can't a write to a fd just be a normal function call? Mar 30 12:25:38 If it were that simple people wouldn't write stupid buffering mechanisms in userspace libraries like glibc. Mar 30 12:26:57 but no, writing to a fd is something you're meant to do sparingly, even when it has no direct impact on the outside world (eg, if it's just writing to an fd that is read directly by another "process"). Mar 30 12:46:47 ~tell azkay_ about sb Mar 30 12:51:45 alternative source: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ Mar 30 12:52:11 Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Mar 30 12:52:55 Yeah I've seen that Mar 30 12:53:02 Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z_DIR.txt Mar 30 12:53:08 I used to scratchbox on debian Mar 30 12:55:28 Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt Mar 30 12:55:34 azkay_: so long download time... Mar 30 12:59:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation Mar 30 13:04:14 Yeah, that just shows how to do it with linux/vm, not windows Mar 30 13:15:36 azkay_: dont like it but maybe use vbox... Mar 30 13:15:53 Got it, Qt_SDK_Windows_offline_v1_1_en.exe has fremantle support Mar 30 13:16:11 1.4 only has symbian/harmattan. Not sure about .2 and .3 Mar 30 13:21:47 ooh that's MADDE? Mar 30 13:22:39 ~madde Mar 30 13:22:39 i guess madde is http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/madde/ https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde‎ Mar 30 13:25:51 fiasco+co/tabletsdev/ Mar 30 13:27:51 just a headsup: DO NOT POST FULL URLs ANYWHERE! that stuff will vanish same moment you do Mar 30 13:29:56 imgur.com/ZrMgXb3.jpg Mar 30 13:31:08 :-) Mar 30 13:38:21 > c++ Mar 30 19:43:36 ohmy, such lazy bot Mar 30 19:43:54 * DocScrutinizer05 clicks the icon showing a boot Mar 30 19:44:36 dang, server down or disconnected Mar 30 19:45:39 aaaah Mar 30 19:47:06 ~wb Mar 30 19:47:07 thx Mar 31 00:08:58 Guys, I have an EasyDebian partition on a small SD card and would want to move it to a partition on a larger SD card. Is it possible, or will it fail because of different mmcblk or whatever? Is there a file I can edit to tell the N900 where is the new EasyDebian partition? Mar 31 01:27:07 Kabouik: use mountpoints **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 31 02:59:58 2016