**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 22 02:59:58 2016 Apr 22 05:20:35 moin Apr 22 05:24:01 (whatsup apps) even while I'm no fan, I think it's a tad unfortunate when they stop to work. Isn't there info form those whatsapp folks about their protocol? Apr 22 05:24:30 would a wireshark session help or is everything encrypted hard? Apr 22 05:57:41 they use that axolotl "ratchet" system from moxie marlinspike that "text secure" uses Apr 22 05:58:50 https://whispersystems.org/blog/advanced-ratcheting/ Apr 22 05:59:11 i dont know about the rest of the protocol, but i guess they are not interested in being open Apr 22 05:59:45 it seems many (most?) messaging platforms aren't Apr 22 06:04:02 is that the same protocol used by signal Apr 22 06:05:40 yes Apr 22 06:08:30 i think actual now its called libsignal instead of libaolotl Apr 22 06:11:15 .title http://mashable.com/2015/03/25/whatsapp-developers-api/ Apr 22 07:01:26 pigeons is right Apr 22 07:01:32 well, of you :) Apr 22 07:01:35 s/of/all of/ Apr 22 07:01:36 ceene meant: well, all of you :) Apr 22 07:03:13 what was my last comment on "axolotl"? Apr 22 07:03:16 yes Apr 22 07:03:20 ah Apr 22 07:03:21 what Apr 22 07:03:24 about wiresharking Apr 22 07:03:38 some people has had success before Apr 22 07:04:14 i'm try to pass yowsup tests on my code Apr 22 07:04:21 i'm gonna try Apr 22 07:04:27 i'm a bit mishanded today Apr 22 07:04:41 i also have real work to do Apr 22 07:04:42 :/ Apr 22 07:05:03 * DocScrutinizer05 needs to sponsor mgedmin of PoV a hw upgrade for the server :/ Apr 22 07:06:00 'search' takes *ages* Apr 22 07:06:39 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders if the data is stored on a tapedrive Apr 22 07:07:08 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-02-07.log.html#t2016-02-07T15:25:09 Apr 22 07:07:34 yep Apr 22 07:07:44 axolotl as a library is now extinct, as it is now called 'signal' Apr 22 07:07:50 which is a shitty name in order to google for it Apr 22 07:08:08 indeed Apr 22 07:09:03 guess why h-e-n isn't hen ;-) Apr 22 07:11:00 alas this doen't help for google either ;-P Apr 22 07:11:18 sometime ago, google lost the capability to search for special characters Apr 22 07:11:30 they think they know better than me what i'm searching for Apr 22 07:11:31 thus long name hostmode-easy-now Apr 22 07:11:51 google used the excuse of "spam" to kill federation. Whatsapp wont release an api because "spam". Apr 22 07:12:41 yeah when G+ started +searchterm doesnt make it mandatory anymore Apr 22 07:13:16 but google never was good at that, that's why you had +fravia and +orc Apr 22 07:16:21 google starts to suck Apr 22 07:16:32 even more than it already did Apr 22 08:12:36 DocScrutinizer05: strangely, federation has never de facto stopped working for me Apr 22 08:12:56 although spam has been an actual problem recently Apr 22 08:13:00 all Russian Apr 22 08:13:09 hmm? Apr 22 08:13:15 on XMPP Apr 22 08:13:39 sorry, never heard of all that. I know what's XMPP Apr 22 08:13:53 vaguely Apr 22 08:31:55 So seems like suspend to ram works on mainline n900 Apr 22 08:32:06 Although upon wakeup it prints an error, but nothing too serious Apr 22 08:32:15 That's pretty cool. Wondering about the power usage Apr 22 08:37:54 Wizzup: IIRC suspend to RAM uses more power than just idling Apr 22 08:38:16 (not during suspend, but to prepare/restore from it) Apr 22 08:39:17 luke-jr: are you saying that doing S2R for 5 hours is more taxing on power than leaving the thing idle for 5 hours? Apr 22 08:40:16 Wizzup: I'm not sure at what time S2R would use less Apr 22 08:40:37 but idle, N900 should last like a week or two Apr 22 08:41:13 I would expect it to last much longer on S2R? Apr 22 08:48:13 Wizzup: suspend2ram works according to freemangordon Apr 22 08:48:31 power usage is not worth it Apr 22 08:48:38 see~power Apr 22 08:48:43 ~power Apr 22 08:48:43 i guess power is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Apr 22 08:48:56 That makes me deeply sad Apr 22 08:49:01 I wanted to use it as a PDA that lasts very long Apr 22 08:49:25 takes "ages" to enter and resume from s2r, and the power consumption is near identical to zeroclock Apr 22 08:50:08 this is not a downside of s2r but actually shows how good zeroclock works in omap Apr 22 08:50:27 Suspend (echo mem >/sys/power/state), wifi and GSM off. 2 mA T Apr 22 08:50:33 Idle, no SIM, wlan off 7 mA@4.1 V T Apr 22 08:50:41 Isn't that somewhat of a big difference? Apr 22 08:50:48 not really Apr 22 08:50:51 3-4x? Apr 22 08:51:09 well, depends on your metrics Apr 22 08:51:10 I don't think you guys get the right context Apr 22 08:51:14 I don't want to suspend my maemo phone Apr 22 08:51:25 I want to suspend my PDA and wake it up every hour or so, when I quickly need it Apr 22 08:51:36 It'll mostly just be in super deep sleep until I buy something, or want to make a note Apr 22 08:51:46 I figured it would make sense that way Apr 22 08:51:56 "no SIM" might actually mean an increased consumption Apr 22 08:52:11 modem would be off during s2r Apr 22 08:52:25 OK, let me phrase it differently Apr 22 08:52:44 if I want a n900 that is asleep at almost all times, unless I specifically trigger a wakeup IRQ, what would be sensible? Apr 22 08:53:09 S2R :) Apr 22 08:53:27 i think they are saying whatever you use, power benefit is negligible Apr 22 08:53:46 but if it is two to three times - that makes a huge difference for me Apr 22 08:54:11 aaargghhhh Apr 22 08:54:12 shut down modem, use zeroclock or s2r (since basically they are the same thing in the end) Apr 22 08:54:23 okay! Apr 22 08:54:26 Wizzup: you're using maemo or other distro? Apr 22 08:54:28 sounds great Apr 22 08:54:37 Sicelo: I will outline my plans for this hobby proj a bit later Apr 22 08:54:42 hopefully in a blog post, or at least here quickly Apr 22 08:54:45 I have to run to work now Apr 22 08:54:48 well, bike, really. Apr 22 08:54:55 cya Apr 22 08:55:08 i hate this all Apr 22 08:55:34 s2r just copies a few CPU sttaic cmos registers to RAM before powering down the CPU core Apr 22 08:55:37 what happened now ceene? she wants divorce? :) Apr 22 08:55:42 static* Apr 22 08:55:48 *I* want a divorce Apr 22 08:55:54 :) Apr 22 08:56:09 it's a digital divorce Apr 22 08:56:19 so at least i won't have to share my things with this whatsapp from hell thing Apr 22 08:56:48 failed to read string token Apr 22 08:56:48 failed to read attribute key:value Apr 22 08:56:57 that's got to be because i have misimplemented WA16 Apr 22 08:57:14 (s2r) CPU in zero clock doesn't each significant amounts of power though, so it's not really relevant if you use s2r or zeroclock Apr 22 08:57:26 s/each/eat/ Apr 22 08:57:28 DocScrutinizer05 meant: (s2r) CPU in zero clock doesn't eat significant amounts of power though, so it's not really relevant if you use s2r or zeroclock Apr 22 08:57:59 just make sure you power down all peripherals like WLAN and cmt completely Apr 22 08:58:25 Ack Apr 22 08:58:36 i'm even thinking about rewritting the whole mess Apr 22 08:58:37 I hoped that would happen during s2r automatically Apr 22 08:58:42 will double check that Apr 22 08:58:49 making a language translation from python to qt Apr 22 08:59:39 how about we just stick to python then? i guess it might be slower? but if that's what works, i'm sure most would live with slowness Apr 22 08:59:49 yes, s2r supposedly takes care about it (though I know it doesn't really for cmt at least) Apr 22 08:59:58 or it's not compatible with python 2.5? Apr 22 09:00:20 and they're thiking of deprecating support for 2.7, for what I've seen on some files Apr 22 09:00:25 so only 3.0 Apr 22 09:00:29 sooner or later Apr 22 09:00:38 anyway take care about "No SIM" doesn't mean the modem is inactive, rather the opposite is true Apr 22 09:01:05 ceene: you could consider using py3 - maybe with pyinstaller Apr 22 09:01:21 you should use "airplane mode" to make sure all RF got killed reliably Apr 22 09:01:32 Wizzup: can we install py3 on n900? Apr 22 09:01:39 i know there's python2.7 on extras-something Apr 22 09:01:49 cmt with no SIM will prolly still scan all bands to be ready for 911 Apr 22 09:02:19 ceene: not impossible Apr 22 09:02:27 this python thing however Apr 22 09:02:30 is not work free Apr 22 09:02:33 there's the need of a GUI for that Apr 22 09:02:37 if it makes life much easier Apr 22 09:02:44 i don't know... Apr 22 09:02:50 I don't know enough about the context. Also really have to run Apr 22 09:03:06 just wanted to say that py2.7 or 3.5should be fine with pyinstaller Apr 22 09:03:11 ir similar Apr 22 09:03:15 it's good to know Apr 22 09:03:27 dunno Apr 22 09:03:35 i think some things could be language ported Apr 22 09:03:52 without a whole lot of work Apr 22 09:04:38 https://github.com/tgalal/yowsup/tree/master/yowsup/layers/coder Apr 22 09:04:42 this few files Apr 22 09:04:50 it'd be a nice beginning Apr 22 09:08:43 . Apr 22 09:08:56 i definitely need to reestructure libwa code Apr 22 09:09:00 i keep getting lost Apr 22 09:09:44 i also hate all these asynchronous thingies Apr 22 09:23:49 async only makes sense when you know why you need it and how to put it to purpose. Otherwise async complicates stuff a lot Apr 22 09:24:07 i've broken something else Apr 22 09:24:14 Failed readString 1 Apr 22 09:41:05 i have new feature with whatsup. When ever i receive a photo and open it i have to kill hildon-thumbnailer after or it will drain my battery by keeping cpu maxed at 100 Apr 22 09:42:06 doubt it's yappari's problem :) what happens if you take a picture with the camera, or receive it some other way? Apr 22 09:43:18 well just tried and seems to happen with gallery as well. To be honest i thought it would be like that, but felt like turning the knife ;) Apr 22 09:44:21 but there is small difference. After i shutdown gallery processor calms Apr 22 09:44:38 while with whatsup received pics it just stays. Apr 22 09:44:53 hmm lemme try to take a pic Apr 22 09:45:26 no cpu peak Apr 22 09:45:53 ceene: itt would be nice if you can stick to almost all upstream code and just write some n900 specific parts around it Apr 22 09:45:56 also nice wrt maintenance Apr 22 09:48:00 hmm eventually it did it. So it seems i have a problem with hildon-thumbnailer Apr 22 09:48:16 it nails my cpu by its thumbs... Apr 22 09:54:05 Wizzup: as of today, there's no upstream available for qt4 Apr 22 09:54:20 there's only libwa, and coderus doesn't maintain it anymore Apr 22 09:55:49 but using coderus' original libwa results on Apr 22 09:55:50 Apr 22 09:55:50 Apr 22 09:55:50 " Apr 22 09:55:52 true Apr 22 09:55:53 Auth failed! Apr 22 09:55:55 login(): failed Apr 22 09:55:58 so i don't know what is wrong right now Apr 22 09:56:08 i thought it was due to old protocol version Apr 22 09:56:28 but yowsup uses 1.5 as well Apr 22 09:56:32 and doesn't fail Apr 22 09:57:42 so now i just don't know what's wrong :( Apr 22 09:58:36 i keep going back and forth, but i'm lost Apr 22 10:22:13 hi Apr 22 10:28:37 Vajb: (thumbnailer-trackerd) expected behavior Apr 22 10:29:31 Vajb: just let it finsih its indexing thing once Apr 22 10:29:49 and make sure you have no messed up setting in trackerconfig Apr 22 10:30:22 jonwil: hi! Apr 22 10:32:01 DocScrutinizer05: i haven't changed anything in trackerconfig sinco long time and it has been working well since this week Apr 22 10:32:56 maybe i'll leave it on charger over night and see if it is done or i have hole through table Apr 22 10:33:02 Vajb: actually tracker indexer kicks in whenever inotifywatch detects a change in filesystem of monitored dirs Apr 22 10:33:48 DocScrutinizer05: i made it only monitor my music folder and nothing has changed there Apr 22 10:33:54 changing uSD often causes tracker to go wild for more than an hour, depending on how many files are on uSD Apr 22 10:34:19 tracker config is a bitch, and it even has a bug in stock tracker Apr 22 10:34:33 but could size matter? I have 64gb card mostly music Apr 22 10:34:40 many of the trackerconfig options work in an unexpected way Apr 22 10:35:07 oooh yes, 64GB music, your tracker will be *happy* to deal for hours with that Apr 22 10:35:39 I even wonder if the resulting database will fir into /home/user Apr 22 10:35:44 but they have been there for months. Why it suddenly bothers? Apr 22 10:35:46 fit* Apr 22 10:36:30 i have over 20gb free at home since i keep everything in card Apr 22 10:36:30 well, something made tracker start an indexing, prolly some change in some of the dirs on your uSD, maybe you saved a photo somehwre? ;-) Apr 22 10:37:07 your /home/user hardly is 2GB size Apr 22 10:37:18 hmm can't recall that Apr 22 10:37:25 unless you did *massive* repartitioning Apr 22 10:37:38 ah sorry i mixed home and mydocs to be same thing Apr 22 10:38:42 also aborting tracker whenever it runs will most likely cause a complete re-index next time it starts Apr 22 10:38:45 ok /home 32% used Apr 22 10:39:16 but is hildon-thumbnailer=trackerd? Apr 22 10:39:33 i think i've seen them as separate process Apr 22 10:39:46 so a lockup or powerdown while tracker doing a lightweight indexing for a photo snapshot or whatever invalidates the database and tracker needs to build it anew on next boot, I guess Apr 22 10:39:52 yes Apr 22 10:40:13 all thumbnailers etc are trackerd afaik Apr 22 10:40:16 now i have possible explanation! Apr 22 10:40:41 i accidentally dropped my phone this week and battery popped out Apr 22 10:40:49 could that be the reason? Apr 22 10:40:59 hi Apr 22 10:41:09 hey cn900 Apr 22 10:41:13 i'm ceene testing irc plugin for telepathy Apr 22 10:41:15 also each swap of uSD card (removing lid already counts as swap) will need a cursory reindexing to make sure nothing changed Apr 22 10:41:26 and it seems to work Apr 22 10:41:40 yes, battery popout very much could be a reason for trackerd going wild Apr 22 10:42:00 ok i'll let him do his thing tonight Apr 22 10:53:42 seems quite nice that telepathy plugin Apr 22 10:53:55 the interface is quite limited, though Apr 22 10:54:03 but that's a problem of the gui itself, not of the plugin i guess Apr 22 11:25:49 tested that plugin just once, and didn't like it :) Apr 22 11:26:39 ceene: could telepathy on N900 send/receive files? currently it doesn't, and that's one of the most unfortunate things about it Apr 22 12:05:26 vajb: just mark your music dirs as a no-go for trackerd and use alternative audio player program *wink* Apr 22 12:07:16 KotCzarny: do u maybe have some specific program in mind? ;) Apr 22 12:07:43 hmm, a have a few! Apr 22 12:07:44 ;) Apr 22 12:07:52 but no. I like what tracker does. I like to listen to less played while jogging for example Apr 22 12:08:47 well, if you didnt know the program i have in mind can make a recursive playlist with one click, then you can randomize it or go totally random Apr 22 12:09:28 one nice thing it can pick up where you've finished Apr 22 12:09:53 so in one randomize-playlist mode you will go through ALL files exactly once even in random mode Apr 22 12:10:59 i think trackerd should be fixed/rewritten anyway Apr 22 12:11:40 to keep db of the last modified of the DIRS and ignore them when needed Apr 22 12:32:10 Sicelo: don't know if it could... haven't looked at it Apr 22 12:32:23 i assume telepathy backend would allow it Apr 22 12:32:30 but don't know for sure Apr 22 12:45:03 KotCzarny: actually, I didn't know Apr 22 12:45:21 oscp has so many undocumented features Apr 22 12:45:54 jackknife of media playback :) Apr 22 12:46:31 kind of, and i love that sox effects finally work on n900 :) Apr 22 13:29:34 ~tracker Apr 22 13:29:34 ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit."" Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?! https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration Apr 22 14:13:48 hi, i'm trying to develop (better - learn about it) on maemo. since nokia shut down it's servers is it possible to download nokia qt sdk or qmake.exe for n900 or is it next reason to sell my n900 ? Apr 22 14:14:24 i think the keyword you look for is: MADE Apr 22 14:16:16 ~sb2 Apr 22 14:16:31 ~scratchbox Apr 22 14:16:31 methinks scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Apr 22 14:16:43 there it is Apr 22 14:23:05 thanks, i will read about it Apr 22 14:24:29 ceene: he wants qt based sdk Apr 22 14:24:43 unless he wants ANY sdk Apr 22 14:24:44 :) Apr 22 14:24:54 ~made Apr 22 14:25:30 two d's :) Apr 22 14:26:06 ahm Apr 22 14:26:08 ~madde Apr 22 14:26:08 madde is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE http://sourceforge.net/projects/madde/ https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde‎ Apr 22 14:26:13 sicelo: thx Apr 22 14:27:10 oh, that Apr 22 14:28:16 are any upgrades/updates on the way ? Apr 22 14:28:26 i mean to whole n900 Apr 22 14:29:06 yup Apr 22 14:29:24 our devs works day and night on mainlining n900 Apr 22 14:29:33 then we would have everything! Apr 22 14:30:22 taht day will be glorious Apr 22 14:30:47 still won't have yappari though Apr 22 14:31:04 don't know wether to laugh or to cry Apr 22 14:31:08 add irc support to yappari Apr 22 14:31:16 and xmpp Apr 22 14:31:25 so they would have backup platforms Apr 22 14:31:33 making yappari gui a telepathy frontend is not a bad idea at all Apr 22 14:32:07 sad thing is nobody wants backup platforms, all they want is whatsapp Apr 22 14:32:44 i want irc Apr 22 14:32:56 so do i... so i use irssi Apr 22 14:33:23 sad thing is that using n900 in non extras-devel is almost impossible to get some things work Apr 22 14:33:25 most of the time i'm here is just screen+irssi Apr 22 14:37:40 KotCzarny: xchat? Apr 22 14:37:52 is there any date when an update will be available ? Apr 22 14:37:55 of course i'm an irssi guy :& Apr 22 14:37:58 sicelo: naaah, ssh+epic4 Apr 22 14:38:23 abc123: unfortunatelly it's a hobby project and they have regular jobs too Apr 22 14:38:37 so we are grateful for their work no matter what Apr 22 14:38:45 you can help if you can too Apr 22 14:38:58 i know but i'm just curious Apr 22 14:39:17 well, my programist skills are not so great as they should be Apr 22 14:39:18 and yes, extras-* fails becuase there are no testers paid for Apr 22 14:40:32 if i'd know how and where to send reports i'd make some test during normal usage Apr 22 14:41:02 there is a voting interface for packages on the http Apr 22 14:41:04 IRC & TMO are the best bugzillas now :) Apr 22 14:42:02 people there solve problems ? i would like to see some progress ;) Apr 22 14:42:37 another point of interest for you about possible os updates/work is cssu and it's variants Apr 22 14:42:54 there was a time when i wanted to compile apkenv and i lost on missing lib number 324523045 which couldn't have been automatically resolved Apr 22 14:43:29 good bet is trying debian lenny/wheezy repos as deb-src Apr 22 14:43:55 i'd like my n900 in one piece ;) Apr 22 14:47:02 3 linux based devices gave me an important lesson to not to mess with linux unless you have your nerves cut and have whole life to solve impossible problems Apr 22 14:59:19 sounds like you've had bad experiences Apr 22 14:59:43 #triggered Apr 22 15:10:27 yeah, the n900 is the first and last phone with linux. with touchscreen too Apr 22 15:13:03 intel galileo (gen 1) with poky, ubilinux and other debian-style, hp nx7400 with debian, n900 with maemo, all are like from hell Apr 22 15:38:54 i agree, linux sucks Apr 22 15:38:57 bsd is much better Apr 22 15:47:18 * enyc notices debian lts team adding armel + armhf to the wheezy-lts support Apr 22 15:56:40 can't install madde ... error occurs during postinstall.bat, tried twice, disabled firewall and nothing changed ... Apr 22 16:22:35 thanks for help, for me n900 is dead and soon i'll get back to my good old se w890i or in distant future i'll make my own mobile Apr 22 16:22:55 ~neo900 Apr 22 16:22:56 i guess neo900 is at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91142, or at http://neo900.org/ Apr 22 16:25:40 i don't like touchscreen, i gave a try to n900 because friend got one and for him it was good, before familiarizing i thought about as he Apr 22 16:34:28 3310? Apr 22 16:34:51 if you can find one... Apr 22 16:37:57 too old :) Apr 22 16:38:43 but i think about e-paper display and 2x 18650 ;) Apr 22 16:39:46 it's easy to find 3310 in Poland, prices may be higher now than yesterday, but acceptable Apr 22 17:53:01 i don't like telepathy-irc anymore Apr 22 17:53:19 it gets out of channels when i close its window Apr 22 17:53:27 that's idiotic Apr 22 18:12:24 abc123: going to sell that n900? Apr 22 18:12:33 maybe donate? Apr 22 18:12:34 ;) Apr 22 18:59:29 pah. Apr 22 19:25:59 KotCzarny, donate ? what do you mean ? Apr 22 19:26:51 to give it free for some developer Apr 22 19:27:52 what vajb said Apr 22 19:28:03 preferably to some n900 veteran dev Apr 22 19:28:27 but getting interested new people into n900 is also nice idea Apr 22 19:29:12 when someone new, without knowledge and experience gets inside community he may be a little scaried about bugs ... Apr 22 19:29:40 hm, my primary n900 is fully working, i think Apr 22 19:30:01 even partially broken n900 has value as a testing platform Apr 22 19:30:30 secondary met water and is sometimes unstable and irritating ;) Apr 22 19:31:25 but aero2 (free internet in Poland) continues it's work til december, so i have to have at least one and i don't have any other phone to change Apr 22 19:31:50 your friend gave you two N900? Apr 22 19:32:02 btw this working one was bought with plenty of accessories for about 100 PLN (circa 25$) Apr 22 19:32:21 keep the accessories, donate the device Apr 22 19:32:25 no, the one broken for 20 PLN (~5$), i gave it new slider Apr 22 19:32:42 anyway, nite nite Apr 22 19:32:52 * Sicelo can't make sense of abc123___ :) Apr 22 19:32:55 nite Apr 22 19:33:12 i'll think about donating when i get another phone ;) Apr 22 19:33:56 w890i? Apr 22 19:34:39 * Sicelo goes afk Apr 22 19:35:20 if i repair my or get to work and make diy mobile Apr 22 19:48:53 you may not understand me because i use phone mostly for it's main purpose - calling and sending sms, i don't really need internet in phone (sometimes also in computer) and i know it's odd for 2x years old guy ;) Apr 22 19:53:51 no. that's not why. Apr 22 19:54:44 abc123___: i'd like my n900 in one piece ;) Apr 22 19:54:58 abc123___: yeah, the n900 is the first and last phone with linux. with touchscreen too Apr 22 19:55:08 and then, twist: Apr 22 19:55:15 i'd like to keep my [...] (because madde won't install on my computer) Apr 22 19:55:17 abc123___: thanks for help, for me n900 is dead and soon i'll get back to my good old se w890i or in distant future i'll make my own mobile Apr 22 19:55:35 abc123___: i don't like touchscreen, i gave a try to n900 because friend got one and for him it was good, before familiarizing i thought about as he Apr 22 19:55:49 so yes .. i don't get it :) Apr 22 19:56:33 dead - without updates and sometimes crashing on basic usage it's not what i want Apr 22 19:57:56 ok, friend got one for himself, got another (this one met with water), i've bought this flooded and started to learn about maemo Apr 22 19:59:21 it seemed ok, so when w890i started really dying (fastport after about 8 years of usage was worn off, i've lost headphones and maybe some other functions) i thought to try n900 which was in good condition, found one and bought Apr 22 22:06:44 freemangordon: pali: WTF?!!!???? Apr 22 22:06:54 ivo.g.dimitrov.75@gmail.com SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c08::1b]: 550-5.7.1 [2a01:4f8:191:9003:5246:5dff:fea3:2c21 12] Our system has 550-5.7.1 detected that this message is likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the 550-5.7.1 amount of spam sent to Gmail, this message has been blocked. Please 550-5.7.1 visit 550 5.7.1 https://support. Apr 22 22:06:55 google.com/mail/answer/188131 for more information. q9si10943032wjl.108 - gsmtp pali.rohar@gmail.com SMTP error from remote mail server after end of data: host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com [2a00:1450:400c:c08::1b]: 550-5.7.1 [2a01:4f8:191:9003:5246:5dff:fea3:2c21 12] Our system has 550-5.7.1 detected that this message is likely unsolicited mail. To reduce the Apr 22 22:07:19 any way i can make 2 quick opening and closing of the lens cover trigger on and off the flash? that would be a cool way to use it when i need a torch Apr 22 22:07:38 huh? Apr 22 22:08:11 yes, there is a way to define what happens when opening the cam cover Apr 22 22:08:55 well forget that, just trying to think of the quickest way to activate the torch Apr 22 22:09:38 maybe instead of it showing "open lens cover" when pressing the cam button it would turn on and off the flash, is that possible? Apr 22 22:09:43 I don't have it at hand right now, the idea was to enter flashlight mode when pointing downwards (accelerometer) and otherwise enter snapshot mode, or video mode when cam trigger pushed while opening lens cover Apr 22 22:09:52 oh wait, the flash is behind the cover. nvm Apr 22 22:10:06 thats a good idea Apr 22 22:10:52 there is app for it, but kinda remember that it was known to cause some problems and not recommended Apr 22 22:10:55 Linkandzelda: quickest way: open lens cover, slide open keyboard, press "T" (assuming you got camera-ui1 [CSSU]) Apr 22 22:11:01 s/1/2/ Apr 22 22:11:01 DocScrutinizer05 meant: Linkandzelda: quickest way: open lens cover, slide open keyboard, press "T" (assuming you got camera-ui2 [CSSU]) Apr 22 22:12:04 oh, yep, that works well too Apr 22 22:12:45 DocScrutinizer05: thanks for the hint. I didn't need it but since i have thr function, might as well use it Apr 22 22:12:56 the* Apr 22 22:13:05 which hint? Apr 22 22:13:24 sorry my day is busy Apr 22 22:14:11 DocScrutinizer05: what u just said abour opening lens cover and pressing T Apr 22 22:14:22 aah OK, yw Apr 22 22:14:48 how's your tracker? Apr 22 22:15:37 freemangordon: could you please get decent email account? Apr 22 22:15:51 pali (absent): same to you ^^^ Apr 22 22:16:32 gmail, REALLY now? :-O Apr 22 22:16:41 not actig up atm, because i kept gallery closed Apr 22 22:16:47 acting* Apr 22 22:16:53 please open it Apr 22 22:17:18 give tracker-fscker a 2h to complete its annoying duties Apr 22 22:17:43 it's probably finished long ago :) Apr 22 22:18:20 you get a (bogus, truncated to 3 digits) runtine estimation when tracker still active and you open mediaplayer Apr 22 22:19:46 ETA: [XXX]987 minutes (not that the displayed minutes would mean a thing when they were 8 digits) Apr 22 22:20:24 simple test to see if it did index, and is no longer indexing, run the following commands in terminal: 1) "tracker-stats" .. do the numbers look correct? if not, 2) "tracker-status -f -d" will tell you what's going on Apr 22 22:20:42 more simple test: open mediaplayer Apr 22 22:20:44 :-) Apr 22 22:21:11 i've seen cases where opening those doesn't trigger indexing Apr 22 22:21:50 right now i've got a video that's not yet detected by tracker :) got it 12 hours ago Apr 22 22:21:55 maybe doesn't trigger, but will block until indexing finished, and show a yellow ribbon notifier about ETA Apr 22 22:21:57 well i browsed through some pics and nothing. Then i opened and closed mediaplayer and now it went berserk Apr 22 22:22:10 lol Apr 22 22:22:31 Vajb: just wait for it. you're not helping yourself any by distrubing it Apr 22 22:22:32 freemangordon: PING Apr 22 22:22:54 tracker-status -f -d will show you in realtime what it's busy doing right now Apr 22 22:22:57 indeed, aborting tracker will make matters worse Apr 22 22:23:00 Sicelo: yeah im going to Apr 22 22:23:57 Vajb: open mediaplayer again Apr 22 22:23:59 once the database is populated, you should not get problems again even when adding/removing files, unless you have really big upheaval Apr 22 22:25:24 Sicelo: tracker-status -f -d just says that i can stop following by pressing ctrl+c Apr 22 22:25:55 wait Apr 22 22:26:26 if it keeps on like that, it means no indexing currently going on Apr 22 22:26:44 also opened mediaplayer and it shows nothing unusual Apr 22 22:27:10 means indexing finished Apr 22 22:27:26 numbers in tracker-stats look right to you? Apr 22 22:28:31 well still showing nothing Apr 22 22:28:45 huh? Apr 22 22:29:21 tracker-stats shows nothing? Apr 22 22:29:40 hmm actually mediaplayer shows i have 0 songs Apr 22 22:30:02 yeah tracker-status shows nothing Apr 22 22:30:05 ah.. so yours didn't start to index Apr 22 22:30:26 even when opening/closing mediaplayer ... i've seeen that Apr 22 22:31:16 heh and mediaplayer just crashed Apr 22 22:31:27 DocScrutinizer05: what's the correct way to start trackerd? Apr 22 22:32:13 i think i've done /usr/lib/tracker/trackerd in the past, but was not too sure if that's the right way to go about it Apr 22 22:32:19 it did work though Apr 22 22:34:35 well it seems it did it's thing Apr 22 22:34:54 sorry I dunno Apr 22 22:34:57 songs r back and cpu and memory r back to low levels Apr 22 22:35:02 :) Apr 22 22:35:03 good Apr 22 22:35:10 sound you got few? Apr 22 22:35:18 how many you have? Apr 22 22:35:20 without me killing any process Apr 22 22:35:28 even better Apr 22 22:35:41 killing processes isn't the recommended way Apr 22 22:35:41 1891 songs Apr 22 22:35:56 that few?? Apr 22 22:36:05 on 64GB? Apr 22 22:36:15 only FLAC? Apr 22 22:37:12 tbh I hate tracker. If it wasn't that annoying to use, I'd go for the filesystem interface in mediaplayer Apr 22 22:37:38 256kbs and up mp3 Apr 22 22:37:52 my video still not appearing Apr 22 22:38:01 7321 minutes and 5 seconds Apr 22 22:39:28 hah actually my memory fucked up. I have just 32gb card... Apr 22 22:39:32 I forgot the name of this plugin Apr 22 22:40:03 i was planning to get 512gb chinese, but i heard they r fake Apr 22 22:40:18 did it now. tracker-processes -t, then tracker-stats Apr 22 22:40:23 video is indexed Apr 22 22:40:28 "plugin" - "filesystem" Apr 22 22:40:55 Vajb: anything > 200 (256) GB is utter fake Apr 22 22:41:14 DocScrutinizer05: that plugin is for? Apr 22 22:41:25 filesystem access to media Apr 22 22:42:03 yes, you could also open file:// in microB, then click on a media file Apr 22 22:42:15 or just the file manager :) Apr 22 22:42:24 yes, or that Apr 22 22:42:33 that's how i've been playing my hide-and-seek video thus far Apr 22 22:42:44 THE filemanager? I fot half a dozen Apr 22 22:43:00 got* Apr 22 22:43:12 only stock file manager on mine Apr 22 22:43:27 and prolly the *all* work this way Apr 22 22:43:33 they Apr 22 22:43:34 the plugin .. it's in repos? what's the pkg name? Apr 22 22:43:39 yes Apr 22 22:43:44 nfc Apr 22 22:43:47 toldya Apr 22 22:43:51 i like hamster filer Apr 22 22:44:01 I know it wasn't musorgsky Apr 22 22:44:42 musorgsky was that thing supposed to write tags to mp3 files? Apr 22 22:44:48 okay. Apr 22 22:44:58 never got it working Apr 22 22:45:19 my method works for my needs, for now. will search for the plugin though Apr 22 22:45:45 Vajb: i didn't get it too. i use mid3v2 for writing tags Apr 22 22:46:22 i use computer Apr 22 22:46:38 http://paste.opensuse.org/6860214 Apr 22 22:46:45 that's the best, of course Apr 22 22:46:48 Vajb: yes Apr 22 22:47:43 i think it is sort of sad that my music folders r a lot tidyer than my home Apr 22 22:48:00 or is it tidier? Apr 22 22:48:12 haha. Apr 22 22:48:14 meh better arranged Apr 22 22:48:52 hopefully you get around to tidying the home as well Apr 22 22:48:56 grr, not in my install-log Apr 22 22:49:38 Vajb: my music directories are tidy, but not as tidy as i'd like them to be Apr 22 22:49:41 i do occasionally, but some random dwarfs always mess it up... Apr 22 22:51:25 http://paste.opensuse.org/52328478 good luck! ;-D Apr 22 22:51:48 try oscp for your music by the way. you may like it better :) Apr 22 22:53:05 me? Apr 22 22:53:44 no. Vajb Apr 22 22:53:46 dunno, guess I won't change for any new mediaplayer except my 100% own design Apr 22 22:54:35 i did try it at some point, but i didn't like it Apr 22 22:54:42 ah Apr 22 22:54:46 there was too much stuff Apr 22 22:55:00 ll mediaplayers I've seen so far are not sufficiently generic and versatile Apr 22 22:55:13 basically i would just need a play button size a screen Apr 22 22:55:15 all* Apr 22 22:55:25 size of a* Apr 22 22:55:54 my mediaplayer would adopt amazingly many concepts of HARM Apr 22 22:56:01 im happy with openmediaplayer Apr 22 22:56:07 i don't say/think stock media player is good. no. but, since removing it isn't exactly trivial .. i'd rather come to terms with it than add more players. Apr 22 22:56:17 plus panucci for audiobooks Apr 22 22:56:21 so yes, my only upgrade is/was OMP Apr 22 22:58:58 http://maemo.org/packages/view/mafw-grilo-source/ Apr 22 22:59:20 i'm not necessarily in favor of tracker either. for years i've been using directory based players myself. even on my pc, which has tracker, i still organize everything by directory. but on N900 tracker has quite a lot of control, so i've forced myself to learn to peacefully co-exist :) Apr 22 22:59:48 DocScrutinizer05: that's the one? it came up in apt-cache search, but i wasn't too sure, judging from name Apr 22 23:00:24 ah, isee. will try it Apr 22 23:00:26 yes, it's the plugin for MP Apr 22 23:00:42 cna't find the real package, only *-source Apr 22 23:01:03 it's in MP's base screen menu Apr 22 23:01:09 "filesystem" Apr 22 23:01:31 sounds nice. got screenshot? Apr 22 23:01:57 http://maemo.org/packages/view/grilo-0.1-plugins/ Apr 22 23:02:17 meh, screenshot. I know it's easy but I forgot how to do it ;-) Apr 22 23:02:38 shift-ctrl-p Apr 22 23:02:42 k Apr 22 23:02:49 where's the file? Apr 22 23:03:08 MyDocs/Images/Screenshots/* Apr 22 23:04:07 IroN900:~# ll ~user/MyDocs/Images/Screenshots/* Apr 22 23:04:09 ls: Zugriff auf /home/user/MyDocs/Images/Screenshots/* nicht möglich: No such file or directory Apr 22 23:04:22 aw DocScrutinizer05 :) Apr 22 23:04:34 MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/* Apr 22 23:04:35 IroN900:~# locate Screenshots Apr 22 23:04:36 locate: Warnung: Die Datenbank "/var/cache/locate/locatedb" ist älter als 8 Tage (Das Alter ist 241,5 Tage). Apr 22 23:04:38 /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots Apr 22 23:04:53 worked for me Apr 22 23:05:25 still wrong, only files from 2014 Apr 22 23:05:48 then it wasn't shift-ctrl-p ? Apr 22 23:05:59 i'm installing the plugin now though Apr 22 23:06:03 IroN900:~# find / -name Screenshot-2016* Apr 22 23:06:14 shift-ctrl-p Apr 22 23:06:20 hmmph Apr 22 23:06:24 /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot-20160423-010310.png Apr 22 23:06:25 /home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot-20160423-010324.png Apr 22 23:06:43 locate db old Y-P Apr 22 23:06:44 crazy naming for a plugin. Apr 22 23:07:00 grilo? YEP thus I never recall the name Apr 22 23:07:34 i think i've seen the name even in the past, and thought it was for some cloud service Apr 22 23:09:34 sftp://root@iron900/home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot-20160423-010310.png Apr 22 23:09:36 sftp://root@iron900/home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot-20160423-010324.png Apr 22 23:09:46 i guess i still would like to see that screenshot .. nothing new appearing on my media player Apr 22 23:09:54 i hope i don't need a reboot Apr 22 23:10:27 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/Screenshot-20160423-010310.png http://maemo.cloud-7.de/share-service/Screenshot-20160423-010324.png Apr 22 23:11:21 here you are Sicelo Apr 22 23:11:28 :-) Apr 22 23:11:41 thanks a lot. wtf! it wven browses / Apr 22 23:12:06 i can't see anything like it on mine .. guess i need some sort of reboot Apr 22 23:12:20 DocScrutinizer05: does the youtube part still work? Apr 22 23:12:43 http://paste.opensuse.org/58639967 Apr 22 23:12:58 youtube part? Apr 22 23:13:05 hardly, lemme see Apr 22 23:14:09 "stabdard feeds" and "categories" (empty) Apr 22 23:15:04 "watch-on-mobile" category takes ages Apr 22 23:15:58 tbh I would have kicked all grilo features except "filesystem" if only I knew how to Apr 22 23:16:14 s/ages/infinite/ Apr 22 23:16:35 thanks :) Apr 22 23:16:36 Jamendo, Shoutcast? WTF? Apr 22 23:16:55 i guess i may have to reboot the whole N900 .. leaving it for later Apr 22 23:17:11 youtube nuke it. we all know YT doesn't work except maybe with qutetube2 Apr 22 23:17:43 yes. even there some people report problems recently. i don't use CT2 much Apr 22 23:18:43 you found "filesystem" meanwhile? Apr 22 23:19:42 I guess THIS plugin could live up to have a shiny career if onyl somebody invested a tiny bit of love into it Apr 22 23:20:38 and as I always state: tracker must die Apr 22 23:22:06 (failed ancient quote) Apr 22 23:24:29 * DocScrutinizer05 ran into "Kraftwerk 2 1972" via grilo filesystem Apr 22 23:25:22 straaaaaaaaaaaaaaange Apr 22 23:26:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpjWQZuTjVk Apr 22 23:29:44 one thing's for sure: I been to young to enjoy this music when it been published Apr 22 23:30:55 rather this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjvF36gzLF8 Apr 22 23:34:11 but honestly my fav was https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLSkTcCWdbk at that time Apr 22 23:34:53 magnitudes more inspired and mature Apr 22 23:40:45 Meddle btw was the first record I spent the nominal price to get it, on phillips cassette Apr 22 23:41:18 20 DM back when Apr 22 23:43:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63ADiZ70Qc only came later (1 year) Apr 22 23:44:28 now I think UmmaGuma is even better than Meddle Apr 22 23:45:43 AAAARRRRRGH but this YT version is uptuned to unbearable Apr 22 23:47:50 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQhQeDAMU0E sounds more natural Apr 22 23:52:21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQhQeDAMU0E&list=PL38591848269AB91B Apr 23 00:04:16 HAHA >>It was 2 in the morning, I'm lying on my sofa and I'm listening to this, and then the screaming starts and i shit myself<< >> I saw them play this at The Rainbow, London, in 1971 and when the scream started two huge lights above the band were switched on, blinded everyone while simultaneously explosions went off all round the auditorium. THAT'S when I shit myself!<< Apr 23 00:06:11 thank God there's torrent, "deleted video" I HATE IT Apr 23 00:08:27 hihi >>This is music !!<< Apr 23 00:19:17 will the receipts from 1972 to 1988 count as a proof that I only download backups of records I legally purchased? Apr 23 00:24:52 A Saucerful Of Secrets woooOOOooow Apr 23 01:23:35 DocScrutinizer05: does it even matter? Apr 23 01:23:50 in most places it's illegal to download copies of albums that you own Apr 23 01:24:16 as in Apr 23 01:24:26 it's illegal to download an album, even if you own a copy of it Apr 23 01:26:05 here it's illegal to UPload Apr 23 01:26:28 download generally is not forbidden, unless you are very aware it's pirated material Apr 23 01:26:57 when I own the album, download is not pirated per se Apr 23 01:27:41 the GEMA and other trolls wnat to make you *think* download was illegal Apr 23 01:29:02 in fact it prolly isn't anywhere Apr 23 01:29:35 unless you think it is - then it actually is Apr 23 01:30:38 copyright violation is in *giving away* material you don't own the copyright of Apr 23 01:31:40 receiving/accepting/downloading material generally isn't illegal unless you clearly download material tagged "this is a cracked and pirated version of XYZ" Apr 23 01:33:37 what works for GEMA and other trolls is the fact that torrents are very hard to limit to download-only since it's a peer2peer sharing service by definition and concept **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 23 02:59:58 2016