**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Apr 25 02:59:58 2016
Apr 25 03:20:45 <DocScrutinizer05> happy to pre-announce devuan will build a version for maemo5, so after debian went systemd and thus orphaned downstream distros like maemo that can't work with systemd, we now have a future again in upstream
Apr 25 04:51:53 <KotCzarny> i have a code that maps song lenghts to song md5s, so i just did a hashing on those md5s to fit in int
Apr 25 04:52:07 <KotCzarny> works nicely and luckily no collisions
Apr 25 04:53:14 <KotCzarny> had to do that to fit it in few hundred of kB instead of few MB
Apr 25 04:54:17 <KotCzarny> not to mention it's probably faster to lookup an int than 32byte 
Apr 25 07:03:23 * Maxdamantus remembers noticing collisions in lengths (byte sizes of mp3s, mostly).
Apr 25 07:03:29 <Maxdamantus> lengths and mtimes.
Apr 25 07:08:22 <KotCzarny> this one was the .txt db of lengths in seconds and files were identified by md5sum 
Apr 25 07:22:44 <kerio> this reminds me that i should do another scrub of my zpool
Apr 25 07:30:23 * Maxdamantus will do one of his btrfs.
Apr 25 07:30:43 <Maxdamantus>         scrub started at Mon Aug 17 14:21:41 2015 and finished after 37365 seconds
Apr 25 07:30:47 <KotCzarny> how do i scrub my ext4?
Apr 25 07:31:21 <Maxdamantus> You can't.
Apr 25 07:31:32 * KotCzarny sad panda
Apr 25 07:31:36 <Maxdamantus> ext4 is a degenerate filesystem that doesn't have integrity checks.
Apr 25 07:31:54 <KotCzarny> is ntfs better?
Apr 25 07:32:14 <KotCzarny> also i think i have saw checksumming option in ext4
Apr 25 07:32:16 <Maxdamantus> Dunno.
Apr 25 07:32:44 <kerio> btrfs has checksumming
Apr 25 07:32:53 <kerio> because it's a cheapo clone of zfs
Apr 25 07:33:11 <kerio> ext4 doesn't, because it's a toy filesystem
Apr 25 07:34:01 <KotCzarny> Since the 3.6 kernel ext4 suppports metadata checksumming 
Apr 25 07:34:06 <Maxdamantus> btrfs is like zfs that does fewer stupid things, like loading things into RAM twice.
Apr 25 07:35:29 <kerio> [citation needed]
Apr 25 07:36:50 <Maxdamantus> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZFS#ZFS_cache:_ARC_.28L1.29.2C_L2ARC.2C_ZIL
Apr 25 07:38:10 <kerio> so...
Apr 25 07:38:33 <Maxdamantus> One of the reasons I probably wouldn't want to use it on an embedded device.
Apr 25 07:39:28 <Maxdamantus> You have to allocate memory for it because it doesn't just use Linux's disk cache system like everything else.
Apr 25 07:44:49 <kerio> well, you can't use it on n900 because the hard minimum for the ARC is 64mb
Apr 25 07:44:55 <kerio> and that's a quarter of the n900's total ram
Apr 25 07:49:07 <KotCzarny> and its 4 times of the available ram
Apr 25 07:50:54 <luke-jr> only if you use Maemo
Apr 25 07:50:59 <KotCzarny> yes
Apr 25 08:52:43 <ceene> the guy from yowsup is a cool guy :)
Apr 25 08:52:53 <KotCzarny> good drinker? ;)
Apr 25 08:52:58 <ceene> he's answered me and says he'll try to discover what's wrong with libwa
Apr 25 08:53:06 <ceene> don't know, this guy is from germany
Apr 25 08:53:12 <ceene> so yes, he's probably a good drinker
Apr 25 08:53:15 <ceene> :D
Apr 25 08:53:39 <ceene> yesterday i started to implement libaxolotl on my own code instead of continuing with libwa
Apr 25 08:53:58 <ceene> it seems feasible, but... so many things seemed feasible before and end up being dead-ends
Apr 25 08:54:05 <ceene> so... i don't really know what's gonna happen
Apr 25 08:54:48 <KotCzarny> WA will change something to make things harder?
Apr 25 08:54:49 <KotCzarny> ;)
Apr 25 08:56:34 <kerio> i don't really think they care about alternate clients
Apr 25 08:56:43 <kerio> it's just that...
Apr 25 08:56:46 <kerio> they don't care about alternate clients
Apr 25 08:56:49 <KotCzarny> in fact, they hate alternative clients
Apr 25 08:57:07 <kerio> :c
Apr 25 08:57:40 <KotCzarny> someone in usa should start group case against their monopolistic practices
Apr 25 08:58:12 <kerio> "they run a messaging service AND THEY DON'T RELEASE THEIR TRADE SECRETS SO WE CAN CONNECT TO IT"
Apr 25 08:58:17 <kerio> that will go well
Apr 25 09:37:43 <ceene> they don't even care about their own clients
Apr 25 09:38:10 <ceene> proved by the fact that from 2017 they will no new releases for S40 nor old android phones
Apr 25 11:24:04 <zZap-X> i think we should all stop using whatsapp and try and get our friends to use https://whispersystems.org/
Apr 25 11:24:09 <zZap-X> and port that to N900 insteaad
Apr 25 11:38:34 <luke-jr> why not standard XMPP?
Apr 25 11:45:33 <parazyd> ^
Apr 25 11:49:55 <zZap-X> aye ok
Apr 25 11:53:23 <sixwheeledbeast> more devices need cross platform SIP and XMPP, OTB. N900 had this, other devices need proprietary apps from app stores
Apr 25 11:54:11 <sixwheeledbeast> the issue is getting others to switch from these proprietary systems they have been using for so long.
Apr 25 11:54:54 <sixwheeledbeast> you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink...
Apr 25 11:55:33 <M4rtinK> one issue with XMPP is audio/video AFAIK
Apr 25 11:56:09 <M4rtinK> IIRC there is still not one widely supported method of robust audio/video conferencing over XMPP
Apr 25 11:56:26 <M4rtinK> people expect that more and more these days
Apr 25 11:56:49 <M4rtinK> so many of the new IM services, including open source ones, usually provide audio/video conferencing by default
Apr 25 12:02:22 <sixwheeledbeast> M4rtinK: Exactly my point
Apr 25 12:03:48 <M4rtinK> from what I've seen about the open/semi open IM services
Apr 25 12:03:56 <M4rtinK> Telegram seem to be quite popular
Apr 25 12:04:20 <M4rtinK> but too Whatsapp-like to my tastes (does something similar to the phone number nonsence whatsapp does)
Apr 25 12:04:22 <zZap-X> "If your friends use Whatsapp, then maybe they are not your friends"
Apr 25 12:04:43 <M4rtinK> then Matrix (fully open source & federated) looks good
Apr 25 12:04:55 <M4rtinK> kinda like XMPP/Jabber 2.0/done right
Apr 25 12:05:02 <M4rtinK> and also tox
Apr 25 12:05:17 <zZap-X> There is always good old trusted SMS :D
Apr 25 12:05:54 <M4rtinK> which is fully decentralized & encrypted, but kinda immature & the decentralization makes some things harder to do than on networks that are "just" federated
Apr 25 12:06:18 <M4rtinK> like having more accounts online under your identity
Apr 25 12:06:57 <zZap-X> most smartphones have sms and email, i will use them instead for now
Apr 25 12:07:00 <M4rtinK> which is a rather frequent use-case these days with people using a mobile device & PC or even multiple mobile devices
Apr 25 12:07:46 <zZap-X> or i could even actually phone somebody? i actually, maybe not
Apr 25 12:19:00 <Sicelo> except that phoning somebody can cost an arm & a leg in some places
Apr 25 12:23:56 <Sicelo> i fully agree with M4rtinK
Apr 25 12:24:25 <M4rtinK> in any case more plugins for the Sailfish OS account system would be nice
Apr 25 12:24:32 <M4rtinK> at least a Matrix one
Apr 25 12:24:48 <M4rtinK> I'm using the Jabber/XMPP plugin and it work well
Apr 25 12:25:29 <Sicelo> i also am pissed off at whatsapp, and for years avoided using it ... unfortunately i've got 'real' peope to communicate with .. so it ended up that i didn't rally have a choice. trust me .. i tried to convert them to IRC/xmpp ... just didn't work
Apr 25 12:25:50 <Sicelo> M4rtinK: audio/video working with xmpp on sfos?
Apr 25 12:31:28 <zZap-X> everybody uses facebook, everybody uses whatsapp... back in the old days it was Microsoft MSN lol
Apr 25 12:32:50 <zZap-X> im gonna see if i can get SMS working in a terminal, that would be great
Apr 25 12:33:13 <zZap-X> i believe there is a web interface for n900 sms
Apr 25 12:33:15 <Sicelo> you can iirc (n900)
Apr 25 12:33:31 <zZap-X> ace
Apr 25 12:33:34 <Sicelo> that's the 'problem' with communication
Apr 25 12:33:51 <Sicelo> it's not about 'you' .. but you need a common ground
Apr 25 12:34:20 <Sicelo> in the form of a common language (english), or common medium (whatsapp)
Apr 25 12:34:34 <zZap-X> aye
Apr 25 12:36:23 <zZap-X> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS
Apr 25 12:37:16 <zZap-X> i wonder if there is a tool what can send and recieve sms via email from your n900
Apr 25 12:37:28 <zZap-X> so when you get a sms, the n900 sends a email
Apr 25 12:38:40 <Sicelo> you'd prolly want to hook to dbus
Apr 25 12:38:55 <zZap-X> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69264
Apr 25 12:41:25 <M4rtinK> Sicelo: just simple text chat
Apr 25 12:43:16 <zZap-X> wow
Apr 25 12:43:17 <zZap-X> http://maemo.org/packages/view/txtmsgtomail/
Apr 25 12:43:39 <zZap-X> now that is cool
Apr 25 12:44:06 <zZap-X> saves grabbing my phone everytime there is a new sms :D
Apr 25 12:45:42 <Linkandzelda> yay, now i have 2 n900s. one is used condition and another in mint condition http://cl.ly/0x3Q0F3x2b2H
Apr 25 12:53:44 <zZap-X> lets test to see if this works
Apr 25 12:54:16 <zZap-X> IT WORKS!!
Apr 25 12:54:39 <zZap-X> now i need to find a way to send a sms from n900
Apr 25 12:55:54 <KotCzarny> ~phonecontrol
Apr 25 12:55:54 <infobot> methinks phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Apr 25 13:42:42 <Vajb> would be cool to use whatsap via irssi script :D
Apr 25 13:45:36 <zZap-X> how can one turn off vibration for sms only but leave phone vibration on?
Apr 25 13:45:53 <zZap-X> Vajb: i used to use irssi + bitlbee + whatsapp-purple
Apr 25 13:46:12 <zZap-X> but whatsapp-purple have stopped development and too scared to use it incase i get banned
Apr 25 13:51:12 <Vajb> i see
Apr 25 13:52:07 <Vajb> zZap-X: maybe there is ggonf key for it?
Apr 25 14:03:12 <zZap-X> Vajb: what is that?
Apr 25 14:04:21 <zZap-X> KotCzarny: i think phonecontrol is a bit OTT, all i need is this http://maemo.org/packages/view/remotesms/
Apr 25 14:04:33 <zZap-X> phonecontrol is a bit like SMSCOM what i already use
Apr 25 14:11:05 <Sicelo> completely unrelated
Apr 25 14:13:09 <zZap-X> wow i remotesms works in links but you need the phone number
Apr 25 14:15:19 <zZap-X> but then again all it does is communicate with sendsms.py so might as well use that lol
Apr 25 14:21:09 <zZap-X> excellent,  sendsms.py [number] message straight from command line, and new messages go straight to email inbox :D
Apr 25 14:21:14 <zZap-X> no need to touch phone anymore
Apr 25 14:22:43 <Sicelo> how do you read the messages that are in inbox?
Apr 25 14:23:57 <zZap-X> mutt
Apr 25 14:24:35 <zZap-X> pity sendsms.py doesnt read contacts, i could make a little wrapper script for it
Apr 25 14:25:53 <Sicelo> i think you 'touch phone' for mutt, wrong?
Apr 25 14:27:23 <zZap-X> mutt is a terminal mail client
Apr 25 14:30:39 <Sicelo> thanks for the info. i've been using mutt on my N900 for a long time :)
Apr 25 14:31:22 <Sicelo> although i think i know now what you're trying to achieve
Apr 25 14:32:12 <zZap-X> i use mutt on my linux box, just ssh into n900
Apr 25 14:32:19 <zZap-X> using screen
Apr 25 14:38:32 <zZap-X> all i need to do as set some variables in the shell, like MeMob=12345, then i can do sendsms.py MeMob message
Apr 25 14:38:57 <zZap-X> i wonder if there is a way to view the contact list in the terminal
Apr 25 14:47:28 <Sicelo> it's a berkeley db .. readable
Apr 25 14:48:15 <Sicelo> there's a python script somewhere for it
Apr 25 14:48:22 <Sicelo> ~contacts2
Apr 25 14:48:27 <Sicelo> hmm
Apr 25 14:48:42 <Sicelo> ~contact2
Apr 25 14:48:45 <Sicelo> ~contact
Apr 25 14:58:39 <zZap-X> http://blog.tersmitten.nl/how-to-export-your-contacts-from-a-n900-backup-directory.html
Apr 25 15:04:43 <Sicelo> well, that's not exactly the one
Apr 25 15:05:20 <zZap-X> nope it didnt work lol
Apr 25 15:05:23 <zZap-X> http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-60526.html
Apr 25 15:05:26 <zZap-X> cant get that to work either
Apr 25 15:05:35 <Sicelo> i'll upload the one i have .. don't remember where i got it .. maybe on DocScrutinizer05 repo
Apr 25 15:05:42 <zZap-X> ace :D
Apr 25 15:07:39 <Sicelo> maemo.cloud-7.de maemo5 usr local bin contact2
Apr 25 15:07:49 <Sicelo> that's the url .. no spaces, of course
Apr 25 15:08:15 <zZap-X> good man :D
Apr 25 15:11:04 <Vajb> zZap-X: actually mispelled gconf. Install gconf-tool and see if there is something to it.
Apr 25 15:13:02 <zZap-X> works awesome
Apr 25 15:51:08 <Sicelo> gconf, or contacts2?
Apr 25 15:55:32 <zZap-X> would i damage anything if i changed this in /etc/passwd  /home/user:/bin/sh  to /home/user:/bin/bash ?
Apr 25 15:58:10 <Sicelo> very much
Apr 25 15:58:29 <Sicelo> don't do that. maemo largely depends on busybox
Apr 25 16:00:34 <zZap-X> aye ok
Apr 25 16:00:48 <zZap-X> Sicelo: so the best way to execute bash4 is by typing it
Apr 25 16:06:08 <Sicelo> something like that, yes
Apr 25 22:43:15 <Linkandzelda> DocScrutinizer05: is there any reason your tools page installs bash3 and not bash4?
Apr 25 22:43:55 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, yes. I think I didn't like some of the bash4 'new features'
Apr 25 22:44:11 <DocScrutinizer05> nothing sound though
Apr 25 22:44:30 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc bash4 is missing "help"
Apr 25 22:45:16 <DocScrutinizer05> which, if correct, is an inapt futile effort to safe space
Apr 25 22:45:27 <Linkandzelda> i see
Apr 25 22:48:49 <DocScrutinizer05> when I install bash, then not to safe space ;-)
Apr 25 22:49:44 <DocScrutinizer05> sure you could create a script named "help" to simulate this lacking feature, but ... honestly now? I need to write this myself?
Apr 25 22:50:44 <DocScrutinizer05> then I pondered why I'd want bash4 instead bash3 and didn't find sound arguments
Apr 25 22:52:46 <DocScrutinizer05> and the latter is the only statement you may call me out on, all the rest is disclaimer IIRC
Apr 25 22:53:40 <Linkandzelda> fair enough
Apr 25 23:05:56 <Linkandzelda> one other thing, the bash and tools script you made installs packages from extras devel, or rather less and locate are not in the normal packages. since its a script meant to run in 1 shot, does this mean i should have extras devel for all other packages it installs?
Apr 25 23:13:02 <DocScrutinizer05> err good question, I admit I didn't consider that aspect since the script is "virtual" and grew over literally years without me ever testing it in its entirety. I *hope* it will work when you enable extras-devel and the nokia mirrors beforehand
Apr 25 23:14:36 <DocScrutinizer05> if certain packets turn out to be broken, I might add a version specifier to the particular apt-get install command, to install a working package
Apr 25 23:16:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ("virtual") actually I just copied in new cmdline commands I used, when it turned out they were useful. I forgot to take care and notice about the repos enabled when I did
Apr 25 23:17:59 <DocScrutinizer05> so yes, in theory there might be instances where I installed a package from maemo-extras, not noticing a conflicting broken package existing in maemo-extras-devel
Apr 25 23:18:11 <DocScrutinizer05> however I honestly doubt that
Apr 25 23:20:47 <Linkandzelda> thats fine, i was installing them from exras devel on a per-package basis
Apr 25 23:34:49 <Linkandzelda> im setting up the 2nd n900 i got and forgot all the stuff i did on my other one
Apr 26 00:07:43 <Linkandzelda> DocScrutinizer05: i installed bash4 and changed my passwd file to use /bin/bash on both user and root, now im unable to boot. im guessing reflash needed?
Apr 26 00:09:19 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, changing user's account is terribly cumbersome since the device will user user's account to boot, and when you change shell there, it won't boot anymore since boot (rather: hildon X11 crankup) depends on busybox mess
Apr 26 00:10:03 <DocScrutinizer05> you however can fix that 'easily' if you still can access the device, either via ssh login or worst case via rescueOS
Apr 26 00:10:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ~rescueos
Apr 26 00:10:08 <infobot> it has been said that rescueos is http://n900.quitesimple.org/rescueOS/
Apr 26 00:11:13 <Linkandzelda> well i only just reflashed a couple hours ago so its no big deal to do it again, i guess
Apr 26 00:11:24 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc cssu boot should trow you to a console finally when system hangs in a bootloop
Apr 26 00:11:36 <Linkandzelda> i remember doing it though, on my old one
Apr 26 00:11:36 <DocScrutinizer05> yep, reflash is easy
Apr 26 00:12:24 <Linkandzelda> yea it worked fine on my other device
Apr 26 00:12:32 <Linkandzelda> etc passwd is identical
Apr 26 00:12:42 <Linkandzelda> only difference is bash3 vs bash4
Apr 26 00:13:13 <Linkandzelda> i'll leave this one boot looping in case it brings me to a terminal
Apr 26 00:13:21 <DocScrutinizer05> Linkandzelda: the problem iirc is: a) busybox has some non-standard behavior in some of its 'applets' on which some scripts rely (like formats of `ps` output, cmdline options etc)
Apr 26 00:14:07 <DocScrutinizer05> and b) bash has none of those messybox applets built in, so you need all those available as external commands in $PATH at any time during boot
Apr 26 00:14:17 <DocScrutinizer05> and c) /etc/shells iirc
Apr 26 00:14:22 <Linkandzelda> hmm
Apr 26 00:14:34 <Linkandzelda> so how can i make ssh and xterm open to bash by default?
Apr 26 00:14:58 <DocScrutinizer05> bootlooping only brings you to a terminal after max 10 reboots (prolly rather 3) - if at all
Apr 26 00:15:51 <Linkandzelda> its on the 5 dots only
Apr 26 00:15:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd add some if "is_ssh; then..." to messybox initscript
Apr 26 00:16:31 <DocScrutinizer05> (5 dots) do you have ssh configured?
Apr 26 00:16:32 <Linkandzelda> ssh isnt letting me in either
Apr 26 00:16:44 <DocScrutinizer05> might already be up and running, to log in via wlan
Apr 26 00:16:46 <Linkandzelda> i have open ssh server, was using it before i rebooted
Apr 26 00:17:02 <Linkandzelda> but the ip isnt responding
Apr 26 00:17:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ok, then you're out of luck, either reflash or use rescueOS
Apr 26 00:17:36 <DocScrutinizer05> or BM
Apr 26 00:17:51 <DocScrutinizer05> BM should offer a terminal quite early in boot process
Apr 26 00:18:18 <Linkandzelda> yea, would be great if i installed backup menu hehe
Apr 26 00:18:28 <DocScrutinizer05> you prolly could even selectively restore /etc/passwd via BM
Apr 26 00:18:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing
Apr 26 00:18:59 <infobot> i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware, or - on linux PC - download&extract http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz, cd into it, do sudo ./flash-it-all.sh; or see ~flashing-cmdline
Apr 26 00:19:27 <Linkandzelda> am i right in thinking that i can use backupmenu on my current device, then restore onto my new and keep things as they are? kernels etc?
Apr 26 00:19:36 <DocScrutinizer05> don't worry, many users fell for this 
Apr 26 00:19:58 <DocScrutinizer05> except kernel all, yes
Apr 26 00:20:12 <Linkandzelda> infact i'll ask a different question, thats the quickest way to do a full clone?
Apr 26 00:20:17 <DocScrutinizer05> you must make sure your target device has same kernel already installed, like the donor device
Apr 26 00:20:38 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, quickest way
Apr 26 00:20:51 <Linkandzelda> i have kernel power on current device
Apr 26 00:21:01 <Linkandzelda> so i'd need to install that i guess
Apr 26 00:21:11 <Linkandzelda> would a clone also install cssu stuff?
Apr 26 00:21:13 <DocScrutinizer05> then install same kernel on new device before restoring BM backup
Apr 26 00:22:03 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, it's a full clone, except kernel. That's why you need same kernel since otherwise the kernel *modules* in rootfs won't match -> borked, reflash
Apr 26 00:23:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I actually did that cloning a 3 or 4 tiomes now
Apr 26 00:23:57 <Linkandzelda> ok
Apr 26 00:24:07 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why my system's "history" goes back to pre-2010
Apr 26 00:24:40 <Linkandzelda> so you basically moved to and from different devices over and over?
Apr 26 00:24:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Apr 26 00:26:17 <DocScrutinizer05> and even when I had an oppsie like you do now, I simply restored a backup and thus the reflash didn't really show up in "histroy"
Apr 26 00:26:26 <DocScrutinizer05> oopsie*
Apr 26 00:27:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I did *one* clean reflash to upgrade from PR1.2 to PR1.3, a half a year after PR1.3 came out
Apr 26 00:28:03 <DocScrutinizer05> never since restarted with a clean install
Apr 26 00:28:25 <DocScrutinizer05> always used to restore my backups, either on same or on new device
Apr 26 00:28:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I tested clean installs on other devices, e.g. for testing CSSU
Apr 26 00:29:11 <Linkandzelda> this has got to be the easiest flash process on any device i ever owned, and i owned like 30+ other phones in the past
Apr 26 00:29:23 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe, thanks
Apr 26 00:29:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing-cmdline
Apr 26 00:29:40 <infobot> [flashing-cmdline] http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12
Apr 26 00:30:11 <Linkandzelda> aaand finished
Apr 26 00:30:16 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
Apr 26 00:31:00 <Linkandzelda> now if i play my cards right i should never have to do this again xD
Apr 26 00:31:46 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
Apr 26 00:32:05 <DocScrutinizer05> well, you might need to do it if the system fails to boot up
Apr 26 00:32:12 <DocScrutinizer05> *comletely*
Apr 26 00:32:25 <DocScrutinizer05> if you can get into BM, you should be safe
Apr 26 00:32:44 <DocScrutinizer05> and BM gets called very very early in boot process
Apr 26 00:33:06 <DocScrutinizer05> only bootloader and kernel hiccups could actually stop it
Apr 26 00:33:30 <Linkandzelda> going to install bm and kernelpower now then will attempt a clone
Apr 26 00:34:03 <DocScrutinizer05> and edits in some base system init scripts and binaries, like ... shell, /sbin/preinit
Apr 26 00:34:54 <DocScrutinizer05> a general rule: before *any* restore there always comes a backup - to save the current state
Apr 26 00:35:24 <DocScrutinizer05> so in case the restore goes awry, you can restore to pre-restore state
Apr 26 00:36:26 <DocScrutinizer05> (exception to the ruke: restores to recover from failed restores, you usually don't wnat to archive a failed-restore state of system)
Apr 26 00:36:31 <DocScrutinizer05> rule*
Apr 26 00:36:59 <zZap-X> shall we have a competition on how long we can keep uptime on our N900?
Apr 26 00:37:12 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, I win this
Apr 26 00:37:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I had 480 days uptime on my devel device
Apr 26 00:37:28 <zZap-X> Nokia-N900:~$ uptime
Apr 26 00:37:29 <zZap-X>  01:35:50 up 5 days,  5:28, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
Apr 26 00:37:38 <zZap-X> jeeze
Apr 26 00:38:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ramdom recent value of daily phone:
Apr 26 00:38:14 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# uptime
Apr 26 00:38:16 <DocScrutinizer05>  02:37    19 Tage  9:01 an,  0 Benutzer,  Durchschnittslast: 0,00, 0,03, 0,00
Apr 26 00:38:27 <zZap-X> 19 days?
Apr 26 00:38:38 <DocScrutinizer05> err yup, pretty normal
Apr 26 00:38:54 <DocScrutinizer05> rather on the short side
Apr 26 00:38:56 <zZap-X> not bad
Apr 26 00:39:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't boot my phone more frequently than maybe 6 to 8 times a year
Apr 26 00:39:50 <zZap-X> im gonna try and see how long i can keep it without rebooting
Apr 26 00:40:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess last reboot was to finally do a BM backup again ;-)
Apr 26 00:40:05 <zZap-X> have to make sure it never runs out of battery
Apr 26 00:40:16 <zZap-X> oh yeah backup menu
Apr 26 00:40:35 <DocScrutinizer05> aaah wait, last reboot was actually due to battery-down while not at home
Apr 26 00:41:03 <zZap-X> make sure that doesnt happen again
Apr 26 00:41:11 <DocScrutinizer05> it shut down 50m away from my flat door, while returning home
Apr 26 00:41:40 <DocScrutinizer05> I think I forgot to disable navi, or sth
Apr 26 00:42:20 <DocScrutinizer05> unlocked it to actually shut down navi app, and that was too much for the weak battery ;-P
Apr 26 00:42:31 <Linkandzelda> im trying to come up with a name like IroN900
Apr 26 00:42:44 <DocScrutinizer05> screen went bright for a 3s and then it shut down
Apr 26 00:43:32 <DocScrutinizer05> Linkandzelda: T900 is also used already ;-)
Apr 26 00:56:10 <Linkandzelda> DocScrutinizer05: loaded backupmenu on my current device and its stuck at "chrooting..." for 5 mins
Apr 26 00:56:24 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
Apr 26 00:57:08 <Linkandzelda> im gonna pull the battery
Apr 26 00:59:35 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what you did, in detail
Apr 26 01:00:00 <DocScrutinizer05> tbh I never noticed a "chrooting..." in BM context
Apr 26 01:00:08 <Linkandzelda> i turned it off, held open the keyboard, turned it on, selected backupmenu, waited
Apr 26 01:00:26 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm
Apr 26 01:00:39 <Linkandzelda> this is my old one
Apr 26 01:01:02 <Linkandzelda> stuck on this http://cl.ly/0k3W3v3v3O1L
Apr 26 01:01:36 <DocScrutinizer05> wtf?
Apr 26 01:02:16 <Linkandzelda> i just finished installing bm on the new one, going to open it
Apr 26 01:02:46 <Linkandzelda> works fine on that one
Apr 26 01:02:55 <Linkandzelda> maybe i'll try to reinstall it on the other
Apr 26 01:03:02 <DocScrutinizer05> aah BM tries to create a chroot with some tools like sshd etc in it
Apr 26 01:03:28 <DocScrutinizer05> for that it needs the tools to be available, to start with
Apr 26 01:04:18 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a tad unfortunate that robbiethe1st didn't catch any errors that may occur during that tools copying and chrooting
Apr 26 01:05:07 <DocScrutinizer05> after all aiui the whole chroot thing is only needed for advanced features like "ssh into device" and "enter console" etc
Apr 26 01:05:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I recal there been discussions and tweaks around that whole thing, BM trying to ship the tools bundled rather than copying them from plain system, or whatever
Apr 26 01:06:08 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
Apr 26 01:06:08 <infobot> backupmenu is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
Apr 26 01:06:19 <DocScrutinizer05> that tmo thread should have details
Apr 26 01:06:54 * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how Linkandzelda installed BM to old device
Apr 26 01:07:43 <Linkandzelda> well i think i'll just remake this device on the new one, then clone it to the old one and use that as the restore point for a "clean" setup
Apr 26 01:36:44 <DocScrutinizer05> a pite: >>t900:-# uptime  --> 04:12:15 up 236 days, 11:59 ...<< and now I need to reboot since I experience weird WLAN issues with that device in my network: >>26.04.16	03:30:14	WLAN-Gerät wird abgemeldet (2,4 GHz): WLAN-Gerät antwortet nicht. MAC-Adresse: A8:7E:33:CD:F0:E3. (#0302).<<
Apr 26 01:46:26 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed the device needed some reboot >= needed_action > (/etc/init.d/wlancond restart)
Apr 26 01:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm syslog too large?  http://paste.opensuse.org/45777554
Apr 26 02:00:48 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL, latst newest hottest intellignece(¡): there are botnets on twitter, and moods/trends in internet are not real
Apr 26 02:01:49 <DocScrutinizer05> peeps, it took you how long now to realize THAT?
Apr 26 02:03:31 <DocScrutinizer05> I got sth for you: there are not only bots on twitter, e.g. Russia even employs professional human trolls for that purpose
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