**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed May 04 02:59:58 2016
May 04 06:54:14 <Oksana> Curious thing: https://git.maemo.org/git/?p=sandcastle;a=blob_plain;f=www/index.html;hb=HEAD
May 04 07:00:59 <KotCzarny> doesnt show as such in links
May 04 07:01:10 <KotCzarny> but in firefox it goes to firefox repositories
May 04 07:03:16 <KotCzarny> might be related to bad certificate on git.maemo.org (bad domain)
May 04 07:04:14 <Oksana> Wrong site, yes. How to correct that?
May 04 07:04:30 <KotCzarny> update cert?
May 04 07:06:13 * Oksana poked techstaff on #maemo-meeting , like, 20min ago; should wait 24h at least for them to reply
May 04 07:08:20 <Oksana> Does Maemo 5 use somehow accelerometer's ability to detect clicks and double-clicks? For interaction with user when screen is blank, for whatever reason?
May 04 07:11:06 <freemangordon> I doubt
May 04 07:13:18 <Oksana> When screen is blank, does accelerometer sleep (and ignore all the rotations and clicks), or does it (in spirit with multi-tasking) keep checking the ongoing happenings (and drain battery)?
May 04 07:13:40 <freemangordon> IIRC by default it sleeps
May 04 07:13:50 <freemangordon> but you'd better check mce
May 04 07:14:25 <Oksana> 10000g high shock survivability of accelerometer is impressive by the way, but I think that other parts would break before 10g was reached
May 04 07:17:21 <DocScrutinizer05> (sleep) depends on what MCE or any other app is doing with accel
May 04 07:17:59 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the accel itself never sleeps afaik
May 04 07:18:27 <DocScrutinizer05> the question is if IRQs are enabled and trigger
May 04 07:19:32 <DocScrutinizer05> the accel like most other peripherals is event-driven (by IRQs it sends to CPU)
May 04 07:20:19 <DocScrutinizer05> only braindead upstream lis302 kernel driver does polling by default - unless that changed since I last checked
May 04 07:20:35 <Oksana> Ookay... Mce was reverse-engineered recently, correct?.. Would be nice to have a look at it... What is IRQ?.. Hypothetically, accelerometer's click and double-click functionality could be tuned, to change "expected amplitude and timing of the stimuli"...
May 04 07:22:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yes / / IRQ = a signal on a single line sent from the IRQ generating device to a CPU that awakens from sleep when detecting the signal / yes
May 04 07:23:01 <Oksana> Interrupt request, got it...
May 04 07:23:19 <DocScrutinizer05> IRQs (hw interrupts) are the most important 'tool' for designing embedded
May 04 07:24:11 <DocScrutinizer05> unlike a PC, an embedded (battery operated) platform must run event-driven exclusively
May 04 07:24:51 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't afford to keep everything running busy in idle loops all the time
May 04 07:25:59 <Oksana> >> only braindead upstream lis302 kernel driver does polling by default << What does it mean? Is it not event-driven?
May 04 07:26:15 <DocScrutinizer05> the lis302 has 2 IRQ lines of which only one is actually used in maemo software. And it has sophisticated filters to define which physical acceleration event shall assert the IRQ-line
May 04 07:26:47 <DocScrutinizer05> (upstream) last time I checked, the driver polled the lis302 a 50 times per second
May 04 07:27:31 <DocScrutinizer05> you'd do that for an USB-attached joystick maybe
May 04 07:27:42 <DocScrutinizer05> *never* for embedded
May 04 07:29:14 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: we''l fix that when it comes to it
May 04 07:29:15 <Oksana> Is maemo driver different from upstream /aka not polling/ , or different?  And it's said to be "accelerometer sensor found in several HP laptops" so they might be considering it not-embedded http://lwn.net/Articles/304326/
May 04 07:29:29 <DocScrutinizer05> es, driver is different
May 04 07:29:32 <freemangordon> doesn't matter
May 04 07:29:38 <freemangordon> Oksana: ^^^
May 04 07:29:50 <freemangordon> you should never poll if you have IRQ line to use
May 04 07:31:33 <DocScrutinizer05> the maemo driver is not perfect, it does some hardcoded filter setting which rather should get exposed to /sys/ to do it as you like, but generally the maemo driver is much cleaner and smarter than what I last seen upstream
May 04 07:32:43 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: yes, but lets first have working what is not, then we'll tweak whatever is needed
May 04 07:32:56 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
May 04 07:33:10 * freemangordon wonders why nobody wants to join kernel development :(
May 04 07:33:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd prolly even want to fix the lis302 driver myself, if I find the time
May 04 07:33:28 <KotCzarny> fmg: time and skills mostly
May 04 07:33:34 <DocScrutinizer05> hehe
May 04 07:33:34 <freemangordon> esp in the light of the recent achievements
May 04 07:33:44 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: skills?
May 04 07:34:02 <freemangordon> you need C coding skills, thats it
May 04 07:34:08 <KotCzarny> yeah, also new knowledge, different from app coding
May 04 07:34:21 <freemangordon> it is not
May 04 07:34:25 <KotCzarny> also, one has to know what needs to be coded
May 04 07:34:41 <KotCzarny> ie. all that kernel internal infra
May 04 07:34:54 <freemangordon> unless your coding style is of a .net developer :)
May 04 07:34:57 <KotCzarny> :)
May 04 07:35:42 <freemangordon> no, really it is not that hard, actually in most of the parts it is well thought and documented
May 04 07:36:06 <KotCzarny> then there is time
May 04 07:36:12 <freemangordon> yeah
May 04 07:36:16 <freemangordon> I know
May 04 07:36:27 <KotCzarny> most people with free time are in schools, and they are droid/apple only
May 04 07:36:58 <KotCzarny> rarely you can find someone with rich wife and n900 ;)
May 04 07:37:03 <freemangordon> :)
May 04 07:38:13 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: well, I think it is a some kind of a barrier, at least for the guys on the channel
May 04 07:38:53 <Oksana> Where is source code of maemo's lis302dl driver, then? I do not even know the package, I see the files in /sys/module/lis302dl/ , but dpkg does not recognise the package?
May 04 07:39:08 <KotCzarny> for me to code it requires few days of total uninterrupted silence, and it collides with personal life :/
May 04 07:39:16 <freemangordon> "OMG, see pali and fmg, they are so good, who am I to think I can be as good as them", or somesuch. Might be wrong OFC
May 04 07:39:33 <freemangordon> Oksana: it is part of the kernel
May 04 07:39:48 <KotCzarny> fmg: try preparing some trivial coding case for the brave
May 04 07:40:06 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: define "trivial code case"?
May 04 07:40:29 <Oksana> kerrnel... Not a pleasant experience, user-side. "Custom kernel settings not loaded", or something, at some of start-ups
May 04 07:40:31 <KotCzarny> something that needs to be done, but only requires few tens/hundreds lines of code
May 04 07:41:22 <Oksana> Yes, some small and 'simple' bugs and-or feature requests?
May 04 07:41:26 <KotCzarny> yup
May 04 07:41:45 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: lis302dl driver might be a good example. You have good code in stock kernel and not-so-good in upstream. It needs porting of the good parts from stock to upstream
May 04 07:43:11 <Oksana> What's the official source-code of stock and upstream? /me likes github, simply because of having an account on it already, but would accept just about any web-gui, as long as it does not require installation of git on-computer/
May 04 07:43:25 <freemangordon> kernel.org
May 04 07:43:28 <freemangordon> is upstream
May 04 07:43:41 <freemangordon> ~elinux-n900
May 04 07:43:44 <freemangordon> hmm
May 04 07:43:55 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys elinux
May 04 07:43:56 <infobot> Factoid search of 'elinux' by key (10): pxelinux ;; cafelinux ;; selinux ;; elinuxchanges ;; corelinux++ ;; #elinux logs ;; skolelinux ;; elinux ;; .say #elinux this #DEL# ;; #elinux kergoth.
May 04 07:44:10 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys n900
May 04 07:44:11 <infobot> Factoid search of 'n900' by key (11): n900ponie ;; n900 #DEL# ;; meego-n900 ;; n900-kbd-mapping ;; n900pinkponies ;; on n900 #DEL# ;; optimizen900 ;; n900-full-reset ;; n900 ;; arch-n900 ;; n900-power.
May 04 07:44:17 <freemangordon> Oksana: http://elinux.org/N900
May 04 07:44:20 <Oksana> Is Kernel Power the only way to get IPv6 on N900? https://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power Because IPv6 sounds neat, but messing with kernel(s) sounds dangerous
May 04 07:44:40 <freemangordon> no, it is not, actually KP is more stable than stock
May 04 07:44:49 <KotCzarny> oksana: you can compile modules for stock too
May 04 07:44:54 <freemangordon> :nod:
May 04 07:45:04 <KotCzarny> and most likely you can force install those from powerkernel too
May 04 07:45:36 <KotCzarny> but kernel power is one of the few packages with 'power' in the name that are recommended over stock
May 04 07:45:42 <bencoh> but I still don't see any reason not to use KP
May 04 07:46:21 <freemangordon> :nod:
May 04 07:47:49 <bencoh> freemangordon: oh and, kernel dev usually means a 2nd device
May 04 07:48:01 <freemangordon> no
May 04 07:48:10 <freemangordon> you can always boot through the flasher
May 04 07:48:23 <Oksana> Stock? https://github.com/pali/linux-n900/tree/v4.6-rc1-n900/drivers/misc/lis3lv02d Upstream: mainline, stable, or linux-next?
May 04 07:48:26 <KotCzarny> fmg, not if n900 is the MAIN phone ;)
May 04 07:48:26 <freemangordon> it is convenient, but not a must
May 04 07:48:28 <bencoh> sure but you don't really want to do that for your daily device
May 04 07:48:57 <bencoh> it'd be like turning your phone off and not receiving any calls
May 04 07:49:04 <freemangordon> well, you can always buy a second hand for some 30 euros, or request a donation from the community
May 04 07:49:07 * Oksana thinks that in scenario of porting from stock to upstream N900 should not be in danger... It's joysticks which will be in danger ;-)
May 04 07:49:17 <KotCzarny> and there is always slight chance of b0rking fs ;)
May 04 07:49:25 * KotCzarny has 3.5 of n900s
May 04 07:50:05 <freemangordon> yes, but you can always reflash
May 04 07:50:19 <freemangordon> and the chances are not so slim :D
May 04 07:50:26 <bencoh> :))
May 04 07:50:28 <KotCzarny> anyway, having second device helps immensely
May 04 07:50:31 <bencoh> see? 2nd device .)
May 04 07:50:46 <KotCzarny> even for testing stock vs testing
May 04 07:51:09 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap.git/tag/?h=omap-for-v4.4/onenand-corruption :D
May 04 07:51:26 <freemangordon> and that was not enough, I had to make a follow-up patch
May 04 07:52:04 <freemangordon> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/tmlind/linux-omap.git/commit/?h=omap-for-v4.5/fixes-rc5&id=3f315c5b850fa7aff73f50de8e316b98f611a32b
May 04 07:52:37 <KotCzarny> how about hardcoding those values? there arent any n900 variants
May 04 07:52:38 <freemangordon> bencoh: sure it is better to have second dev
May 04 07:52:47 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: hmm?
May 04 07:53:01 <KotCzarny> those init values require setting some chip debug
May 04 07:53:09 <Oksana> Okay, upstream: https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/tree/drivers/misc/lis3lv02d?id=refs/tags/next-20160504 /do not forget to change date in URL accordingly with time/
May 04 07:53:09 <KotCzarny> according to the description
May 04 07:53:24 <freemangordon> well, this is mainline kernel, you don;t know where it will be used
May 04 07:53:32 <bencoh> KotCzarny: it's the onenand driver
May 04 07:53:40 <freemangordon> n900 is not the only device with omp3 inside
May 04 07:53:45 <freemangordon> *omap3
May 04 07:53:45 <bencoh> not a n900 board driver
May 04 07:53:51 <freemangordon> exactly
May 04 07:54:08 <Oksana> Kconfig and Makefile look fairly the same... /just eye-check/
May 04 07:54:58 * Oksana should run diff on the two directories, for easier reading
May 04 07:55:00 <KotCzarny> https://imagetragick.com/
May 04 07:55:01 <KotCzarny> lol
May 04 07:55:12 <DocScrutinizer05> ((needs porting of the good parts from stock to upstream)) forget about it, we discussed that at epic length with upstream and the notion is "there's a working driver, we won't accept a new one"
May 04 07:55:42 <freemangordon> naah, patches are always welcome
May 04 07:56:08 <freemangordon> anyway, /me has to run
May 04 07:56:12 <freemangordon> bbl
May 04 07:56:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yep patches. but those would mean you need to patch out the complete old files and patch in the new ones. And then you get an API change
May 04 07:57:59 <Oksana> A: what is API, does it have to be changed? B: Why is API change so tragic? C: Wouldn't it be possible to have two not-conflicting versions of driver (like libs: version 1 and version 2), for users to choose which one to use?
May 04 07:58:18 <DocScrutinizer05> C got rejected
May 04 07:58:40 <Oksana> Like, making code more efficient inside would not require change of API? But adding new skills (like click detection) has to change API?
May 04 07:58:55 <DocScrutinizer05> A is Application Programming Interface, basically what you see in ls /sys /dev
May 04 07:58:58 * Oksana is going outdoors
May 04 07:59:02 <freemangordon> API change is rejected only if it breaks userspace
May 04 07:59:04 <Oksana> Will read log tomorrow
May 04 07:59:11 <DocScrutinizer05> B, see A
May 04 08:00:06 <KotCzarny> api is functions availabe to users/libs exported as public from the particular library
May 04 08:00:50 <freemangordon> also, it is ok to introduce a change that implements some kind of a new behaviour, but by default the old one is effective and you "switch" to the new one somehow
May 04 08:01:09 <freemangordon> anyway, /me is afk
May 04 08:01:24 <DocScrutinizer05> adding new skills like click detection means you need interface to enable and to 'read' those skills, and that interface (API) must not conflict with the existing
May 04 08:02:01 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: yep, that _could_ probably be done
May 04 08:02:44 <DocScrutinizer05> first and foremost upstream has a /dev/* and nokia has a /sys/*
May 04 08:02:58 <DocScrutinizer05> good luck, no fun
May 04 08:03:03 <KotCzarny> fmg: detecting api version and if'fing available functions in a program?
May 04 08:03:18 <bencoh> KotCzarny: noooo =
May 04 08:03:44 <bencoh> it's always messy when you need to do that for kernel APIs
May 04 08:03:48 <KotCzarny> kind of 'this site should work without javascript, but has more bells with'
May 04 08:04:30 <bencoh> forcing it at compile-time is always a disaster since it means having the exact linux headers
May 04 08:04:43 <bencoh> so you have to do it at runtime
May 04 08:05:26 <DocScrutinizer05> (disclaimer: IIRC)
May 04 08:05:53 <KotCzarny> bencoh, not #ifdef, just if(APIVER>=1.x) { function is available } else { noop }
May 04 08:07:56 <DocScrutinizer05> ancient OM  http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=include/linux/lis302dl.h;h=0c1fc3097312f9107ec3d574d2d3a1700444f17d;hb=andy-tracking   http://git.openmoko.org/?p=kernel.git;a=blob;f=drivers/input/misc/lis302dl.c;h=d345bfb2718fba6c96c7a27d83b53c0a35c9d064;hb=andy-tracking
May 04 08:08:29 <DocScrutinizer05> fremantle (alas stale): http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/include/linux/lis302dl.h  http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/lis302dl.c
May 04 08:09:14 <DocScrutinizer05> upstream: http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/misc-devices/lis3lv02d  (stale:) https://gitorious.org/nokia-n900-kernel/nokia-n900-kernel/blobs/master/drivers/hwmon/lis3lv02d.h
May 04 08:09:39 <bencoh> KotCzarny: re-read what I've said
May 04 08:09:47 <bencoh> you'll see why it's a disaster
May 04 08:10:24 <KotCzarny> headers might be an issue, yes
May 04 08:10:42 <bencoh> and you're doing it at runtime to avoid the header issue
May 04 08:11:05 <bencoh> so basically you'll have a huge and ugly detection code
May 04 08:12:05 <KotCzarny> well, detection would be only about apiver, and i think many libs/apps do it this way
May 04 08:12:24 <bencoh> they do, yes
May 04 08:12:31 <KotCzarny> and as i said, basic functionality should work regardless of the ver
May 04 08:14:31 <DocScrutinizer05> from torvalds kernel: >> rate - read reports the sampling rate of the accelerometer device in HZ.                	write changes sampling rate of the accelerometer device.<< sampling means polling
May 04 08:15:34 <DocScrutinizer05> >> This driver also provides an absolute input class device, allowing the laptop to act as a pinball machine-esque joystick.<<
May 04 08:17:51 <DocScrutinizer05> http://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/tree/Documentation/misc-devices/lis3lv02d  me pukes
May 04 09:25:51 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: how much devuan have you uploaded
May 04 09:26:31 <kerio> hahahahah "how do i simulate freefall"
May 04 09:26:34 <DocScrutinizer05> >tfw you're probably the only one that wants the RGB led's that festoon the proto-prototype to be on the final build
May 04 09:26:43 <DocScrutinizer05> meh
May 04 09:26:52 <DocScrutinizer05>           RX bytes:20094295576 (19163.4 Mb)  TX bytes:66759818671 (63667.1 Mb)
May 04 09:27:13 <kerio> Uploaded: 70.2 GB (Ratio: 6.60)
May 04 09:27:22 <kerio> rekt
May 04 09:27:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ratio? well that's 0 or infinite
May 04 09:29:11 <DocScrutinizer05> and tbh I don't care anymore, they don't manage to add mirror to list
May 04 09:29:50 <DocScrutinizer05> in the end it's pointless anyway since all .iso do a netinstall
May 04 09:30:41 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe until BETA2 they fixed all that, incl URL for mirror
May 04 09:33:03 <DocScrutinizer05> (lis302 driver) prolly you could even fix the upstream one when making rads from /dev/* block until IRQ triggers, and allow filer&IRQ config via /sys/*
May 04 09:33:12 <DocScrutinizer05> s/rads/reads/
May 04 09:33:12 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: (lis302 driver) prolly you could even fix the upstream one when making reads from /dev/* block until IRQ triggers, and allow filer&IRQ config via /sys/*
May 04 09:45:10 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: (upload/seed) there are like 160 seeders for 30 leechers
May 04 09:45:27 <DocScrutinizer05> ~trackerstats
May 04 09:45:28 <infobot> hmm... trackerstats is http://tracker.dyne.org:6969/stats?mode=peer
May 04 09:46:27 <DocScrutinizer05> S/L/D: 134/28/0
May 04 09:47:13 <DocScrutinizer05> you can't seed when nobody leeches
May 04 13:26:43 <zGrr> moin :)
May 04 13:50:54 <ceene> Sicelo: you ready to get your number banned? 
May 04 13:50:58 <ceene> :)
May 04 13:51:07 <freemangordon> :)
May 04 13:51:23 <Sicelo> ceene: yes!!
May 04 13:51:25 <Sicelo> :p
May 04 13:51:27 <Sicelo> always
May 04 13:51:34 <ceene> lol!
May 04 13:51:43 <ceene> ok, so i'm gonna try and register with your number
May 04 13:51:48 <ceene> and see if i can talk to anyone
May 04 13:51:50 <ceene> or whatever
May 04 13:52:10 <ceene> let's see if i've solved that segfault
May 04 13:52:10 <freemangordon> well, not getting banned would be a success, ain't?
May 04 13:52:16 <ceene> sure
May 04 13:52:22 <ceene> i think banning will not happen now
May 04 13:52:32 <ceene> but well, it's better to prepare for the worst
May 04 13:52:42 <freemangordon> ceene: how hard is to make emulation of the other side?
May 04 13:52:55 <freemangordon> so to not get banned on every mistake you make
May 04 13:53:19 <ceene> i think we won't get banned now, as most bans happen when re-registering with different user agents
May 04 13:53:33 <ceene> that's i think what caused my last ban
May 04 13:53:53 <ceene> now i need to debug the encryption protocol
May 04 13:54:02 <ceene> if i can't build a client... i can't build a server to emulate the client
May 04 13:54:04 <ceene> that's for sure :/
May 04 13:55:22 <ceene> so, Sicelo , when you're ready i'll need your phone number and for you to pass me the code whatsapp sends you
May 04 13:55:31 <ceene> that'll be better on a private conv, i guess :)
May 04 13:56:14 <Sicelo> done :)
May 04 13:57:29 <ceene> uhm
May 04 13:57:37 <ceene> Reply: "{"status":"fail","reason":"no_routes","retry_after":3600,"sms_wait":3600,"voice_wait":3600}
May 04 13:57:42 <ceene> i don't know what the hell that means
May 04 13:58:25 <ceene> i think i may need mcc and mnc?
May 04 13:58:29 <Sicelo> at least not banned. isn't that the wait because sms is not getting delivered
May 04 13:58:38 <Sicelo> wait :)
May 04 13:58:52 <Sicelo> iirc it takes 5 minutes for the sms to arrive 
May 04 13:59:06 <ceene> nop, but it's not gonna get sent
May 04 13:59:42 <Sicelo> i've registered numbers without them being in my N900.. there a 5 minute wait 
May 04 14:00:06 <ceene> maybe i need to make mcc and mnc be 000
May 04 14:00:10 <ceene> instead of those of my company
May 04 14:00:32 <Sicelo> what was mcc that it showed in log?
May 04 14:00:36 <ceene> otherwise status is sucess sms_sent
May 04 14:00:45 <ceene> it's using spanish mcc and mnc
May 04 14:00:47 <ceene> 214, 003
May 04 14:01:19 <Sicelo> let me check mcc for vodacom sout africa .. likey 655 01
May 04 14:02:43 <ceene> 65501zaSouth Africa27Vodacom 
May 04 14:02:44 <ceene> yep
May 04 14:04:25 <ceene> ok, trying again
May 04 14:05:27 <ceene> uhm, nop, i did something wrong
May 04 14:05:40 <Sicelo> banned? :op
May 04 14:05:49 <Sicelo> lol
May 04 14:06:16 <ceene> no, not yet :)
May 04 14:08:30 <ceene> it keeps complaining
May 04 14:08:44 <ceene> &sim_mcc=655&sim_mnc=001
May 04 14:08:50 <ceene> but mcc and mnc are now correct
May 04 14:08:54 <ceene> Reply: "{"status":"fail","reason":"no_routes","retry_after":3600,"sms_wait":3600,"voice_wait":3600}
May 04 14:09:02 <ceene> unless i need to wait those 3600 seconds before trying again
May 04 14:11:34 <DocScrutinizer05> I start to worry that at the time yappari works again, there won't be any accounts left over on whatsapp that are not banned yet
May 04 14:12:12 <ceene> well, i've made my best to keep people from using yappari
May 04 14:12:34 <DocScrutinizer05> seems ou are still active thiugh ;-)
May 04 14:12:36 <ceene> there are a couple who insisted on registering and re-registering from android to yappari back and forth and share their "discovery" on tmo
May 04 14:12:41 <ceene> i assume they're all banned now
May 04 14:12:50 <freemangordon> well, one can be unbanned, no?
May 04 14:13:02 <DocScrutinizer05> seems ceene says no
May 04 14:13:06 <ceene> in the worst case you get automatically unbanned after 60 days
May 04 14:13:20 <freemangordon> not that bad
May 04 14:13:46 <ceene> some people have managed to contact someone at whatsapp and cry a little about getting a new phone for christmas etc, etc, and have had success
May 04 14:14:10 <Sicelo> let's wait those 6 minutes and see
May 04 14:14:25 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
May 04 14:14:27 <ceene> yep, at least until 16:20
May 04 14:14:27 <freemangordon> ok, but does that policy mean you can't transfer your sim to a new phone?
May 04 14:14:31 <ceene> well, XX:20 in your countries :)
May 04 14:14:32 <DocScrutinizer05> check your math!
May 04 14:14:54 <ceene> freemangordon: you can... but if you do it frequently enough or in a pattern they deem as suspect you're banned
May 04 14:15:02 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: why 6 minutes?
May 04 14:15:04 <freemangordon> oh, how nice
May 04 14:15:18 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: (17,08,54) ceene: Reply: "{"status":"fail","reason":"no_routes","retry_after":3600,"sms_wait":3600,"voice_wait":3600}
May 04 14:15:22 <ceene> oh
May 04 14:15:23 <DocScrutinizer05> so?
May 04 14:15:26 <ceene> 3600 is 60 minutes
May 04 14:15:27 <Sicelo> because the sim is not in his N900
May 04 14:15:41 <Sicelo> wtf! that's bad
May 04 14:15:45 <ceene> yep
May 04 14:15:59 <ceene> i won't even be here in an hour
May 04 14:16:00 <ceene> lol
May 04 14:16:00 <freemangordon> ceene: wouldn't it be easier if you give Sicelo the .deb and help him try?
May 04 14:16:04 <ceene> ok, doesn't matter
May 04 14:16:12 <ceene> freemangordon: thing is, I'm mostly sure it won't work yet
May 04 14:16:13 <Sicelo> ceene: maybe send me the new yappari .. then i can send you the .conf
May 04 14:16:18 <Sicelo> and not use it further
May 04 14:16:25 <Sicelo> yes, what fmg is saying :)
May 04 14:16:52 <freemangordon> ceene: because you're now causing artificial problems :)
May 04 14:16:56 <ceene> we'd still have to wait, though
May 04 14:17:18 <freemangordon> sure, but I guess Sicelo has his phone with him ;)
May 04 14:17:24 <ceene> now that i've hardcoded mcc and mnc it doesn't really matter
May 04 14:17:27 <ceene> that's true
May 04 14:17:39 <ceene> i worry about contacts, though
May 04 14:18:00 <ceene> don't know what will happen if yappari syncs its contacts
May 04 14:18:02 <freemangordon> ceene: you sure (doesn't matter)? that one too
May 04 14:18:08 <ceene> and then it tries to use mine
May 04 14:18:14 <freemangordon> ceene: wait, isn't that an opt=in?
May 04 14:18:19 <ceene> what?
May 04 14:18:21 <ceene> syncing?
May 04 14:18:22 <freemangordon> *opti-in
May 04 14:18:24 <freemangordon> yes
May 04 14:18:35 <ceene> that's a good question
May 04 14:18:51 <Sicelo> it is optional in previous yappari at least
May 04 14:18:56 <ceene> you may get banned if you speak to someone who doesn't have you in their contact list
May 04 14:19:01 <Sicelo> yep
May 04 14:19:15 <ceene> let me see what happens when you select not to sync
May 04 14:19:15 <freemangordon> wait, isn't that syncing code part of yappari?
May 04 14:19:23 <ceene> freemangordon: yes, yes, i can disable it if needed
May 04 14:19:28 <freemangordon> ah, ok
May 04 14:19:55 <ceene> i just don't know what can happen if you make a new connection but don't try to sync anything at all
May 04 14:21:46 * freemangordon wonders who with his right mind would want to use service you get banned from for coughing in wrong time, for example :p
May 04 14:22:11 <ceene> those of us who live in countries where this piece of shit is the only thing anybody will use
May 04 14:22:12 <Sicelo> i have a sim card from swaziland that was never on whatsapp, and i also no one knows it. i'll check if it hasn't expired yet .. if still active, i'll give you that one then
May 04 14:22:36 <Sicelo> but it's at home ... will be there after 30 minutes
May 04 14:22:37 <freemangordon> ceene: you're in spain, right?
May 04 14:22:39 <ceene> of course, if you use the official client you won't get banned unless you are a spammer or keep changing phones
May 04 14:22:42 <DocScrutinizer05> your own fault, you didn't say no
May 04 14:22:42 <ceene> freemangordon: yes
May 04 14:22:48 <ceene> Sicelo: don't worry... i won't be here in an hour
May 04 14:23:19 <ceene> DocScrutinizer05: who should i have said "no" to?
May 04 14:23:31 <DocScrutinizer05> watsoup
May 04 14:23:35 <ceene> i didn't even know whatsapp existed when it was all famous around here :)
May 04 14:23:37 <freemangordon> ceene: hmm, last time I was there people looked pretty much normal
May 04 14:23:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and crap in general
May 04 14:24:01 <freemangordon> so I guess they still know how to use normal phone calls
May 04 14:24:15 <ceene> lol
May 04 14:24:25 <ceene> of course you can communicate with people
May 04 14:24:54 <ceene> but there's some psichological issues at work here
May 04 14:25:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I see ;-P
May 04 14:25:09 <ceene> if someone's dying, they'll call me for sure
May 04 14:25:17 <ceene> i won't miss a funeral for not having whatsapp
May 04 14:25:25 <freemangordon> :D
May 04 14:25:32 <ceene> but i may miss something not so trascendental
May 04 14:25:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I won't miss a date for same rewason either
May 04 14:25:43 <freemangordon> are you sure you're in Spain and not in GB?
May 04 14:25:55 <ceene> completely, why? :)
May 04 14:26:23 <freemangordon> the kind of the humor sound like English one :)
May 04 14:26:24 <ceene> for example, a cousin of ahycka has is going to be a father now
May 04 14:26:32 <ceene> of course all the cousins will know sooner or later
May 04 14:26:43 <ceene> but all the gossip is through whatsapp
May 04 14:26:48 <ceene> so you miss socializing
May 04 14:26:52 <freemangordon> I see
May 04 14:26:56 <ceene> not that anything important is discussed there
May 04 14:27:05 <DocScrutinizer05> no, THEY miss socializing
May 04 14:27:13 <DocScrutinizer05> with you
May 04 14:27:13 <freemangordon> :nod:
May 04 14:27:26 <ceene> well, if they're 20 and I'm only 1...
May 04 14:27:31 <ceene> who's the one socially isolated?
May 04 14:27:54 <DocScrutinizer05> who's the one smart guy that doesn't play sheep?
May 04 14:28:11 <ceene> does it matter?
May 04 14:28:15 <DocScrutinizer05> all those suckers have flatrate plans anyway
May 04 14:28:43 <ceene> DocScrutinizer05: we couldn't have this very same conversation over the phone
May 04 14:28:44 <freemangordon> deffinitely
May 04 14:28:53 <ceene> that's why irc, and group chatting was invented
May 04 14:29:07 <DocScrutinizer05> but still they rather use something that's completely for free than something they have to pay for anyway no matter if they use it or not
May 04 14:29:11 <ceene> and we're only a handful of people talking
May 04 14:29:13 <freemangordon> ceene: correct, but then you're not limited to whatsapp
May 04 14:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, you're sure?
May 04 14:29:32 <ceene> no, of course the service provider could be any other one
May 04 14:29:34 <Sicelo> whatsapp completely free 'in terms of money'
May 04 14:29:40 <freemangordon> is it?
May 04 14:29:43 <Sicelo> yes
May 04 14:30:06 <Sicelo> the yearly subscription was dropped last year
May 04 14:30:09 <freemangordon> ah, I guess it was the other "great" service that was free only for an year - viber
May 04 14:30:18 <freemangordon> ok
May 04 14:30:23 <freemangordon> didn;t know that
May 04 14:30:30 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm pretty sure we coild have this convo over phone. we just do
May 04 14:30:56 <ceene> DocScrutinizer05: no, we couldn't
May 04 14:31:06 <Sicelo> it still sucks, lol, but as ceene is saying .. we need it because the 'rest' of the world just won't accept anything else
May 04 14:31:06 <ceene> because as we're speaking i'm looking at yappari's code
May 04 14:31:13 <ceene> and i'm also talking to other people through other means
May 04 14:31:16 <ceene> and reading emails
May 04 14:31:27 <freemangordon> ceene: correct, I got it
May 04 14:31:35 <ceene> i couldn't do all those things while i have to listen to all your voices and speak mine
May 04 14:31:35 <DocScrutinizer51> well at least I am using my phone right now
May 04 14:31:41 <ceene> asynchronous conversations are useful
May 04 14:32:18 <freemangordon> but still, you can say - I am on #maemo, if you wish to send me a picture or video or whatever, you know my email
May 04 14:32:29 <freemangordon> at least this is what I do
May 04 14:32:37 <ceene> yeah, and i'll get some pictures at the email
May 04 14:32:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: that's BS, the rest of the world "doesn't accept" just because nobody demands them to do
May 04 14:32:44 <ceene> no one would connect here because they don't even know what's irc
May 04 14:32:50 <ceene> but still, i'll be missing a lot
May 04 14:32:53 <ceene> i am, in fact
May 04 14:33:01 <freemangordon> yeah, sure
May 04 14:33:21 <ceene> it's not that i've suddenly disappeared out of the earth
May 04 14:33:24 <ceene> people know how to reach me
May 04 14:33:25 <freemangordon> ok, irc - but then there is gtalk, skype, etc, etc
May 04 14:33:26 <ceene> but will they?
May 04 14:33:41 <DocScrutinizer05> and as I already said everybody and their dogs each have thweir own flatrate plan for minutes and text
May 04 14:33:58 <freemangordon> not to say you can chat over SMSes
May 04 14:34:06 <freemangordon> and MMSes
May 04 14:34:06 <ceene> we don't have free sms here in spain
May 04 14:34:11 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: we don't have such flat rate
May 04 14:34:41 <ceene> but all of that is missing the part in which you can participate in a conversation with ten parties, not just one on one
May 04 14:35:06 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd rather set up a webchat on my own server than use friggin watsoup
May 04 14:35:25 <freemangordon> ceene: and what stops you going to the pub and making that conversation?
May 04 14:35:37 <ceene> freemangordon: well, real life for example :)
May 04 14:35:48 <ceene> not all of us have the same work hours
May 04 14:35:48 <Sicelo> N900 also no longer very useful with gtalk since hangouts
May 04 14:35:49 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: lost generation
May 04 14:35:54 <DocScrutinizer05> futile
May 04 14:35:58 <ceene> nor we do live near enough
May 04 14:36:08 <freemangordon> oh, so you have time to hang in group chat, but don;t have time to meet people face-to-face
May 04 14:36:15 <ceene> freemangordon: of course
May 04 14:36:18 <ceene> right now i'm at work
May 04 14:36:18 <freemangordon> I see
May 04 14:36:21 <ceene> supposedly working
May 04 14:36:22 <ceene> :)
May 04 14:36:27 <DocScrutinizer05> toldya, lost
May 04 14:36:29 <ceene> i can't go have a beer now
May 04 14:36:31 <freemangordon> :D
May 04 14:36:48 <freemangordon> ceene: ok, got it
May 04 14:38:20 <Sicelo> lol DocScrutinizer05. i'm in South Africa & my sisters are in another country. calls are quite expensive between these two places. these same sisters have other people they keep in touch with via whatsapp. trust me, i've tried to teach them IRC, etc. didn't get anywhere. they've offered to help me buy a droid instead :p
May 04 14:38:41 <freemangordon> Sicelo: yeah, SA is another story
May 04 14:38:42 <DocScrutinizer05> 500 "friends" on qwitter 1000 followers on farcebook, but a decent phonecall is too expensive, rather chat over watsoup all day long than have a really good 10 minutes phonecall per day
May 04 14:39:24 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: VoIP is ~3ct/min to virtually everywhere on this globe
May 04 14:39:30 <DocScrutinizer05> to landlines
May 04 14:39:33 <ceene> DocScrutinizer05: we can discuss the technical merits of whatsapp as well as its evilness as a company, but the fact that it's used by millions of people speaks for itself: it's something useful that people appreciate
May 04 14:39:37 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: are you sure?
May 04 14:40:05 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: quite, yes
May 04 14:40:10 <freemangordon> ceene: come on, does that mean that people appreciate android?
May 04 14:40:16 <ceene> of course
May 04 14:40:21 <Sicelo> yes, they do.
May 04 14:40:21 <freemangordon> wrong
May 04 14:40:24 <Sicelo> :)
May 04 14:40:25 <ceene> it doesn't mean there isn't anything better than that
May 04 14:40:28 <Sicelo> and ios
May 04 14:40:30 <freemangordon> they don;t have an option
May 04 14:40:35 <ceene> or that it's the best thing since sliced bread
May 04 14:40:40 <ceene> but they do appreciate it
May 04 14:40:45 <Sicelo> agreed.. same as whatsapp.. currently no option
May 04 14:41:00 * Sicelo hates whatsapp too btw
May 04 14:41:00 <ceene> even if there's an option, there's thing called inertia
May 04 14:41:01 <freemangordon> having no option is not appreciating
May 04 14:41:21 <ceene> freemangordon: we're talking about something that did not exist 10 years ago
May 04 14:41:26 <ceene> it suddenly appeared
May 04 14:41:29 <ceene> and people liked it
May 04 14:41:39 <ceene> if that's not the very definition of appreciating, i don't know what it is
May 04 14:41:44 <ceene> nobody is forcing anybody to use it
May 04 14:41:46 <ceene> yet everyone does
May 04 14:41:56 <ceene> so... there must be something that they provide that people want
May 04 14:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> just like suckerberg
May 04 14:42:14 <freemangordon> do they really? because IIRC by the time android appeared in 2009, Nokia was in decline and the only other option was IPhone 3
May 04 14:42:52 <DocScrutinizer05> or Openmoko ;-D
May 04 14:42:54 <Sicelo> here there was a local chat platform, MXit. people used it, and it didn't have crazy policies. user base diminished when whatsapp landed, to the point that the company is considering to shut down
May 04 14:43:40 <DocScrutinizer05> hardly known but OM Freerunner was the first phone where android got tested 
May 04 14:43:42 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: hmm FB owns whatsapp as well, AFAIK
May 04 14:43:49 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 04 14:44:39 <DocScrutinizer05> (first phone) that's what I've been told at least
May 04 14:44:39 <freemangordon> so the policies and marketing strategies are done in one and the same place, and I suspect they learned from redmond
May 04 14:44:52 <DocScrutinizer05> I was EE so didn't mind what they do there
May 04 14:45:33 <DocScrutinizer05> what was pretty clear from beginniong: on MY freerunner won't get any Android
May 04 14:46:07 <freemangordon> BTW I am really starting to hope Jolla to succeed, as dark times are ahead otherwise IMO.
May 04 14:46:23 <Sicelo> meaning?
May 04 14:46:30 <DocScrutinizer05> and we actually laughed about first iPhne services sold as newest hottest shit, we had that already
May 04 14:46:56 <Sicelo> freemangordon: elaborate
May 04 14:47:00 <ceene> well, guys, i'm gonna be going
May 04 14:47:13 <ceene> Sicelo: we'll have to continue tomorrow, as i have all this afternoon occupied
May 04 14:47:19 <freemangordon> Sicelo: for example - my and my lady bough the last 2 "Nokia with a a flashligh" devices in the store ...
May 04 14:47:33 <freemangordon> a couple of months ago that is
May 04 14:47:49 <freemangordon> there is a label "Microsoft" on the chargers
May 04 14:48:27 <freemangordon> to my surprise, you *CAN'T* connect HF to those devices, even though they have BT, only OPP and FTP profiles are supported
May 04 14:49:05 <freemangordon> Sicelo: another story - a friend of mine has Mitsubishi car with built-in BT HF (a microphone etc)
May 04 14:49:33 <freemangordon> his Android refuses to play music through car's speakers, but HF works ok
May 04 14:49:47 <freemangordon> Sicelo: do you get what I mean?
May 04 14:51:52 <freemangordon> I don;t think that trading the freedom of choice for a kind of "convenience" is a smart choice
May 04 14:53:18 <freemangordon> Sicelo: and Jolla are the only ones who try to do something at least partially different
May 04 14:56:00 <Sicelo> sorry had network trouble just now.
May 04 14:57:01 <Sicelo> i agree :)
May 04 15:34:37 <KotCzarny> well, difference between irc and WA is the almost automatic grouping of 'friends'
May 04 15:34:53 <KotCzarny> and interface simplified enough to clicky click
May 04 15:38:49 <KotCzarny> similar to the 'computing for the masses' from the '80s
May 04 15:40:47 <luke-jr> so any usable GPS sw these days? :/
May 04 15:41:08 <luke-jr> Google Maps no longer works in microb sigh
May 04 16:48:59 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05 ... my 2nd N900 charging with Red LED
May 04 16:49:02 <Sicelo> :-/
May 04 16:49:08 <Sicelo> any ideas?
May 04 16:49:32 <DocScrutinizer05> green LED defect?
May 04 16:49:44 <DocScrutinizer05> battery dead
May 04 16:49:59 <DocScrutinizer05> video camera on? ;-)
May 04 16:50:12 <Sicelo> defect battery you mean? because the device is on
May 04 16:50:16 <Sicelo> and it's not the others
May 04 16:50:27 <Sicelo> i think this is error LED pattern
May 04 16:50:58 <DocScrutinizer05> when the charger chip (or BME?) detects a massive error...
May 04 16:51:21 <Sicelo> let me connect to wifi and check syslog
May 04 16:51:30 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
May 04 16:51:54 <DocScrutinizer05> use charge21,sh, check error/status code
May 04 16:52:39 <DocScrutinizer05> charger defect?
May 04 16:52:57 <DocScrutinizer05> (overvoltage, poor power)
May 04 16:53:05 <Sicelo> i doubt. let me check with main N900
May 04 16:53:37 <DocScrutinizer05> first of all: check if reproducible
May 04 16:54:05 <DocScrutinizer05> and even before: check if device operates from battery
May 04 16:54:14 <DocScrutinizer05> I.E. unplug charger
May 04 16:54:16 <Sicelo> it's reproducible. other N900 works fine with it. i guess bad battery.
May 04 16:54:29 <DocScrutinizer05> swap abttery
May 04 16:55:15 <DocScrutinizer05> errr wait
May 04 16:55:25 <DocScrutinizer05> you got wlan ssh?
May 04 16:55:50 <Sicelo> yes
May 04 16:55:57 <DocScrutinizer05> run bq27200.sh 5, then unplug charger
May 04 16:56:13 <DocScrutinizer05> pastebin
May 04 16:56:24 <Sicelo> will check when it's up again :p
May 04 16:56:28 <DocScrutinizer05> wait a 30 s before unplugging
May 04 16:56:48 <DocScrutinizer05> or even better, paste one line of log here
May 04 16:56:57 <DocScrutinizer05> before we decide what to do next
May 04 16:57:20 <DocScrutinizer05> bbiam
May 04 17:00:10 <DocScrutinizer05> ready?
May 04 17:01:04 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm, it exploded and blasted whole block?
May 04 17:01:18 <Sicelo> no. it's booting now. but i notice the color when shutting down/booting is pink instead of white :-/
May 04 17:01:36 <DocScrutinizer05> green LED defect
May 04 17:02:22 <Sicelo> will install patter editor and see 
May 04 17:02:27 <Sicelo> *pattern
May 04 17:03:32 <Sicelo> yes. green is gone
May 04 17:03:48 <DocScrutinizer05> cat /syscat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest
May 04 17:04:11 <DocScrutinizer05> err
May 04 17:04:20 <DocScrutinizer05> cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest
May 04 17:04:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
May 04 17:05:06 <DocScrutinizer05> back in 10 min. shopping
May 04 17:05:35 <Sicelo> led 2 fail \n led 4 fail \n led 5 fail
May 04 17:05:50 <DocScrutinizer05> see?
May 04 17:06:39 <luke-jr> E: Failed to fetch https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/002/./libfribidi0_0.10.4-6_armel.deb: Couldn't resolve host 'downloads.maemo.nokia.com'
May 04 17:06:42 <luke-jr> any idea how to fix? >_<
May 04 17:06:50 <Sicelo> this 2nd N900 .. sucks. mmc doesn't work, now LED borked.
May 04 17:09:08 <Sicelo> luke-jr: the mirrors should have that. i use maemo-repos
May 04 17:09:24 <luke-jr> ~mirrors
May 04 17:09:25 <infobot> it has been said that mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143  or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new
May 04 17:10:30 <luke-jr> ~rmo-new
May 04 17:10:39 <luke-jr> …
May 04 17:15:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ~liskeys mirror
May 04 17:15:31 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listkeys mirror
May 04 17:15:33 <infobot> Factoid search of 'mirror' by key (15 of 45): #devuan mirrors ;; #maemo mirror ;; #maemo mirrors ;; .de mirror ;; 2.4 mirrors ;; au debian mirror ;; cmd: mirror (.*?) ;; d-i mirror ;; debian mirror ;; debian mirror space howto ;; debian mirrors ;; disk mirroring ;; dos mirror ;; eclipt mirroring tool ;; familiar mirror.
May 04 17:15:42 <DocScrutinizer05> ~mirror
May 04 17:15:42 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, mirror is http://maemo-archive.wedrop.it/ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1315143#post1315143  or extras-devel.merlin1991.at - for fighting hashsum error, or see ~rmo-new
May 04 17:16:21 <DocScrutinizer05> dang
May 04 17:16:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues cloud-7
May 04 17:16:40 <infobot> Factoid search of 'cloud-7' by value (17): flashing-cmdline #DEL# ;; #maemo interim-dns ;; bq27k-detail ;; unplug-usb ;; matan ;; jrrepos ;; bq-calibrate ;; #maemo mhd ;; #maemo wiki-backup ;; malf ;; aegis-no-thanks ;; bq27 ;; backupmenu ;; maemo-flashing ;; #maemo bm-images ;; no. maemo-flashing #DEL# ;; #maemo dns #DEL#.
May 04 17:16:46 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer05: not fixable, i guess?
May 04 17:16:56 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: prolly not
May 04 17:17:25 <DocScrutinizer05> aaaah
May 04 17:17:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrrepos
May 04 17:17:29 <infobot> jrrepos is probably http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
May 04 17:17:44 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tell luke-jr about jrrepos
May 04 17:18:30 <DocScrutinizer05> recommended.*  - click in microB browser
May 04 17:19:14 <DocScrutinizer05> or click *this*  http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install
May 04 17:19:57 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: I wonder why THREE LEDs are dead
May 04 17:20:10 <DocScrutinizer05> 2 of them must be kbd LEDs
May 04 17:20:30 <Sicelo> kbd lights fine
May 04 17:21:03 <Sicelo> will try a reflash some day .. it's my aux N900 .. not too concerned about it
May 04 17:21:40 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I'm intrigued
May 04 17:21:44 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
May 04 17:22:24 <Sicelo> i can do any tests you feel like, lol
May 04 17:22:30 <Sicelo> i won't be flashing it any time soon
May 04 17:22:51 <DocScrutinizer05> flashing hardly will change anything
May 04 17:22:59 <DocScrutinizer05> let's see
May 04 17:24:09 <DocScrutinizer05> 2 and 4 must be 1 and 2 from left / right in KBD
May 04 17:24:18 <DocScrutinizer05> there are 5 LED in KBD
May 04 17:24:23 <DocScrutinizer05> 6
May 04 17:25:06 <DocScrutinizer05> 5 is a color of indicator light, I __guess__ it __could__ be green ;-)
May 04 17:26:00 <Sicelo> green is gone for sure. pattern editor confirmed
May 04 17:28:01 <DocScrutinizer05> echo 100 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb2/brightness
May 04 17:28:15 <DocScrutinizer05> with opened kbd and *via WLAN ssh*
May 04 17:28:33 <DocScrutinizer05> watch if a LED goes bright
May 04 17:28:36 <DocScrutinizer05> then
May 04 17:28:44 <DocScrutinizer05> echo 0 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb2/brightness
May 04 17:28:58 <DocScrutinizer05> echo 100 > /sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb3/brightness
May 04 17:29:10 <DocScrutinizer05> and so on for 4 and 5
May 04 17:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> two of them reported 'fail'
May 04 17:31:12 <Sicelo> LEDs worked for all 3
May 04 17:31:23 <Sicelo> 5 wasn't so bright though, but it did show
May 04 17:31:49 <Sicelo> ah .. it's good brightness too
May 04 17:32:03 <DocScrutinizer05> while true; do for (( i=1; i<7; i++ )); do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; sleep 1; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; done; done
May 04 17:32:28 <Sicelo> i remember that script :)
May 04 17:32:29 <DocScrutinizer05> while true; do for (( i=1; i<7; i++ )); do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; done; done
May 04 17:32:31 <DocScrutinizer05> even
May 04 17:33:08 <Sicelo>  Bad for loop variable
May 04 17:33:25 <DocScrutinizer05> typo
May 04 17:33:35 <DocScrutinizer05> s/]/}/
May 04 17:34:05 <DocScrutinizer05> bash!
May 04 17:35:14 <Sicelo> no bash lol
May 04 17:35:57 <Sicelo> guess it will have to wait
May 04 17:36:13 <DocScrutinizer05> while true; do i=1; while [ i < 7 ]; do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i}/brightness; done; i= $(( i + 1 )); done
May 04 17:36:51 <DocScrutinizer05> bourneshell aka messybox
May 04 17:37:13 <DocScrutinizer05> eeeerks
May 04 17:37:30 <DocScrutinizer05> while true; do i=1; while [ i < 7 ]; do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i]/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i}/brightness; i= $(( i + 1 ));done;  done
May 04 17:38:06 <Sicelo> /bin/sh: syntax error: Bad substitution
May 04 17:38:15 <DocScrutinizer05> damn
May 04 17:38:25 <DocScrutinizer05> while true; do i=1; while [ i < 7 ]; do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i}/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523:kb${i}/brightness; i= $(( i + 1 ));done;  done
May 04 17:38:54 <Sicelo> /bin/sh: cannot open 7: no such file
May 04 17:39:00 <DocScrutinizer05> bash: 7: No such file or directory
May 04 17:39:20 <DocScrutinizer05> gnagnagna
May 04 17:45:01 <DocScrutinizer05> while true; do i=1; while [ $i -lt 7 ]; do echo $i; echo 100 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb${i}/brightness; sleep 1; echo 0 >/sys/class/leds/lp5523\:kb${i}/brightness; i=$(( i + 1 ));done;  done
May 04 17:46:56 <Sicelo> 3 is dead
May 04 17:46:57 <DocScrutinizer05> still the friggin dimming pattern running in engine
May 04 17:47:10 <DocScrutinizer05> but it sort of works
May 04 17:47:37 <Sicelo> all others fine
May 04 17:48:04 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno
May 04 17:48:15 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe the defect green one has side effects
May 04 17:48:33 <DocScrutinizer05> or the 3rd one is half-dead only
May 04 17:48:43 <Sicelo> could be. and .. this N900 has bad flex .. maybe that's the real problem
May 04 17:48:53 <DocScrutinizer05> not for kbd
May 04 17:49:45 <Sicelo> bad flex killed earpiece for some reason i can't fathom, while everything else works. problem moves with the flex, as i have exchanged it between these N900
May 04 18:04:31 <DocScrutinizer05> wut?
May 04 18:05:28 <DocScrutinizer05> umm, maybe "bad flex" means flawed I2C bus?
May 04 18:05:58 <DocScrutinizer05> but even then... how's AV jack related to I2C? via the amp?#
May 04 18:07:06 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, earpiece
May 04 18:07:13 <DocScrutinizer05> of course
May 04 18:07:31 <DocScrutinizer05> that's in display half, so how do you guess it gets connected ;-)
May 04 18:08:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I assume you swapped complete display though
May 04 18:08:37 <DocScrutinizer05> so it might even be the earbiece itself
May 04 18:14:09 <Sicelo> i swapped flex.
May 04 18:14:55 <Sicelo> now sent and received sms on my main N900. nothing shows, :D
May 04 18:15:06 <Sicelo> time for android after all, haha
May 04 18:18:24 <Sicelo> ah, killall rtcomm-messaging-ui
May 04 18:18:27 <Sicelo> worked
May 04 18:36:53 <luke-jr> Navit seems to just not work :/
May 04 18:42:43 <luke-jr> hmm
May 04 18:43:03 <luke-jr> suddenly I lose my GPS lock and sats disappearing o.O
May 04 18:43:12 <luke-jr> still 6 visible, but no lock
May 04 18:43:16 <luke-jr> 9 again
May 04 18:43:28 <luke-jr> shouldn't 3 be enough⁇ :/
May 04 18:45:27 <luke-jr> locked again, still no map :/
May 04 19:18:37 <DocScrutinizer05> *sigh*
May 04 21:20:31 <Pali> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96709
May 04 21:20:43 <Pali> 12 n800's up for auction.
May 04 21:20:46 <Pali> interesting...
May 04 21:42:15 <sunshavi> Pali: I want a couple too
May 04 21:42:18 <sunshavi> :)
May 04 21:44:10 <sixwheeledbeast> grr...
May 04 21:44:15 <sixwheeledbeast> ~systemd
May 04 21:44:15 <infobot> systemd cabal: a bunch of people (Lennart Poettering, Kay Sievers, H. Hoyer, D. Mack, T. Gundersen, D. Herrmann) who want to turn linux into their wet dream perverted version of windows-me-too: http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html -- Rumor has it that 2016 systemd will have replaced kernel. See ~nosystemd"
May 04 21:49:57 <sunshavi> who is  endsormeans?
May 04 23:45:21 <Oksana> >> first and foremost upstream has a /dev/* and nokia has a /sys/* ; good luck, no fun << Thank you :-) | >> who with his right mind would want to use service you get banned from for coughing in wrong time, for example << Good point /me not using yappari-whatsapp/ /me likes telepathy+plugins/
May 05 00:23:45 <luke-jr> what was that USB port thing that made it magnetic?
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