**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri May 13 02:59:59 2016
May 13 03:30:04 <Oksana> non-keyboard buttons?
May 13 03:34:23 <Juest> oksana: its something like power button, volume buttons, these are usually keyboard combinations like F7 = Volume up
May 13 03:34:35 <Juest> i would like whats the one equivalent to power, so i can turn on screen over vnc
May 13 03:37:39 <Oksana> To switch on the black screen you would need equivalent of slide-button
May 13 03:38:52 <Juest> its a button or a slide thing? like a lock?
May 13 03:38:58 <Juest> oksana ^
May 13 04:15:51 <Oksana> A slider. http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Lock_Switch
May 13 04:24:29 <Juest> Okay, its impossible to control blanking
May 13 04:24:47 <Juest> only seems to unblank by pressing F8 which is volume up it seems
May 13 04:25:07 <Juest> F8 is volume down, F7 is volume up
May 13 04:25:09 <Juest> what else
May 13 04:25:27 <KotCzarny> blanking is controlled by callind lock via dbus every 25s
May 13 04:25:43 <KotCzarny> ~phone-control
May 13 04:25:48 <KotCzarny> ~phonecontrol
May 13 04:25:48 <infobot> rumour has it, phonecontrol is http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
May 13 04:26:07 <Juest> KotCzarny: And there is no way to control it via VNC? ( no ssh access)
May 13 04:26:21 <KotCzarny> juest: just run a script in xterm?
May 13 04:26:42 <KotCzarny> while [ 1 ]; do <insert line from phone control>; sleep 25; done
May 13 04:26:47 <Juest> cant with the screen off
May 13 04:27:19 <KotCzarny> oyu have vnc, why no ssh?
May 13 04:27:52 <Juest> yeah well, its doable with ssh but i currently have no access to it because im connecting from  far away
May 13 04:28:04 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 13 04:28:46 <Juest> I am trying to figure out "special
May 13 04:28:47 <KotCzarny> the first thing anyone would do with new n900 is installing rootsh and ssh ;)
May 13 04:29:01 <Juest> " functions i can do via Fn and such
May 13 04:29:19 <Juest> besides the normal typing keyboard
May 13 04:29:23 <KotCzarny> power key is not simulating any regular key, its gpio
May 13 04:29:46 <Juest> Only volume control is a regular key i guess (F7 up, F8 down?)
May 13 04:32:12 <Oksana> Yes, looks like it
May 13 04:32:28 <Oksana> Do other F-keys give no reaction? Curious...
May 13 04:32:38 <Juest> I wonder too, i think F5 does something?
May 13 04:32:44 <Juest> or how i returned to the home screen o.o
May 13 04:32:50 <KotCzarny> juest, you might install some sms scanning app that will unlock on trigger
May 13 04:33:07 <KotCzarny> forgot the name
May 13 04:33:41 <Oksana> ctrl-shift-h jumps to home screen.  https://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop
May 13 04:33:45 <KotCzarny> hrm, anyone with n8x0 ?
May 13 04:33:54 <Oksana> Not me
May 13 04:34:20 <sunshavi> KotCzarny me
May 13 04:34:36 <KotCzarny> sunshavi, want to test oscp package?
May 13 04:34:57 <sunshavi> how should I proceed?
May 13 04:34:57 <KotCzarny> i'm away from my n800 and would prefer not to upload it to repo before testing if it works
May 13 04:35:23 <sunshavi> ok, it is a media player, right?
May 13 04:35:28 <KotCzarny> yes
May 13 04:35:31 <sunshavi> it is also fm-radio?
May 13 04:35:55 <KotCzarny> not yet
May 13 04:36:22 <sunshavi> ok, I need it. I can not get fmradio plugin to download anymore
May 13 04:36:27 <sunshavi> where is the deb?
May 13 04:36:40 <KotCzarny> uploading it to some sharing service
May 13 04:36:55 <sunshavi> ok, let me know when ready
May 13 04:36:59 <KotCzarny> will take ~40s
May 13 04:37:06 <KotCzarny> slow uplink here :/
May 13 04:37:36 <KotCzarny> https://transfer.sh/YnFoT/oscp-0.9.7-57-armel.deb
May 13 04:37:40 <sunshavi> it is a hildon app, or cli
May 13 04:37:45 <KotCzarny> both
May 13 04:38:04 <KotCzarny> daemonized core, ncurses gui and pygtk gui
May 13 04:39:37 <KotCzarny> easy way to play almost any audio file on n8x0/n900
May 13 04:43:23 <sunshavi> mmm, ok eta 15 seconds
May 13 04:43:35 <KotCzarny> basic usage should show on the first run
May 13 04:43:42 <KotCzarny> or just read here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94590
May 13 04:44:27 <KotCzarny> pygtk might fail on n8x0 though, because i havent checked it in a long time (only worked on n900 since a few months)
May 13 04:47:12 <sunshavi> lol:  https://dpaste.de/HyR3/raw
May 13 04:47:31 <sunshavi> as you suspected
May 13 04:47:41 <KotCzarny> yeah, with apt-get it would install automatically
May 13 04:48:30 <KotCzarny> check if those are available, but i think they were (because ver-26 worked on n8x0)
May 13 04:52:58 <sunshavi> Package python-gtk2 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
May 13 04:53:18 <KotCzarny> apt-cache search python-gtk2 ?
May 13 04:53:19 <sunshavi> perhaps I need to update my repos
May 13 04:53:28 <KotCzarny> might be in extras-devel maybe
May 13 04:54:30 <KotCzarny> is in extras too
May 13 04:58:55 <sunshavi> extras|extras-devel NO
May 13 04:59:19 <KotCzarny> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/diablo/free/p/python-gtk2/
May 13 04:59:23 <KotCzarny> no?
May 13 05:02:58 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: https://dpaste.de/YxCP/raw
May 13 05:04:14 <KotCzarny> can you paste output of apt-get update and apt-get install python-gtk2 ?
May 13 05:07:20 <sunshavi> https://dpaste.de/pzey/raw
May 13 05:08:33 <KotCzarny> o.O
May 13 05:08:52 <KotCzarny> umkay, try python2.5-gtk2
May 13 05:13:12 <sunshavi> https://dpaste.de/8Fps/raw
May 13 05:14:30 <KotCzarny> looks like someone broke something in diablo
May 13 05:14:55 <KotCzarny> try removing oscp first
May 13 05:15:11 <KotCzarny> but those deps are plain BS
May 13 05:16:46 <sunshavi> it is working
May 13 05:17:09 <sunshavi> also python2.5-dbus?
May 13 05:17:27 <KotCzarny> yes
May 13 05:19:42 <sunshavi> done
May 13 05:19:50 <KotCzarny> k, now oscp
May 13 05:20:20 <KotCzarny> i hope python-2.5-gtk2 provides meta python-gtk2
May 13 05:20:44 <KotCzarny> otherwise i will rebuild the deb to state the versioned name specifically
May 13 05:21:04 <sunshavi> ok. it is unpacking
May 13 05:21:21 <sunshavi> but problems
May 13 05:21:28 <sunshavi> need to rebuild ur deb pkg
May 13 05:21:39 <KotCzarny> the thing i mentioned above?
May 13 05:21:46 <sunshavi> right
May 13 05:21:49 <KotCzarny> k
May 13 05:22:04 <sunshavi> in a few seconds i am going to post the output
May 13 05:22:09 <KotCzarny> no need to
May 13 05:22:13 <KotCzarny> i'll rebuild  
May 13 05:22:23 <sunshavi> ok.
May 13 05:22:37 <sunshavi> on ur arm chroot?
May 13 05:23:18 <sunshavi> in the meant time i am going to take a glass of water
May 13 05:23:19 <KotCzarny> yes
May 13 05:23:59 <KotCzarny> https://transfer.sh/srGE9/oscp-0.9.7-57-armel.deb
May 13 05:24:36 <sunshavi> that was quick
May 13 05:24:54 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 05:25:09 <KotCzarny> it's just deb rebuild, files were the same
May 13 05:26:43 <sunshavi> nice, what openssl version do you have on ur build env?
May 13 05:27:02 <KotCzarny> none i think
May 13 05:27:26 <KotCzarny> ii  libssl0.9.8                0.9.8e-9maemo3               SSL shared libraries
May 13 05:27:32 <KotCzarny> just the one from repo
May 13 05:28:32 <sunshavi> i want to backport 0.9.8n from n900 to os2008
May 13 05:29:01 <KotCzarny> Get:1 http://archive.debian.org lenny-backports/main openssl 0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1 (dsc) [1429B]
May 13 05:29:28 <KotCzarny> might try to build it later
May 13 05:30:39 <sunshavi> unpacking again
May 13 05:31:37 <sunshavi> it finished
May 13 05:32:01 <sunshavi> osc-remote?
May 13 05:32:18 <KotCzarny> yeah, gotta run now though, brb in ~30-60 minutes
May 13 05:33:31 <sunshavi> no menu button?
May 13 05:50:41 <KotCzarny> what do you mean by 'menu button' ?
May 13 05:53:42 <sunshavi> the one over the home button (the one with the house)
May 13 05:54:03 <sunshavi> below the Esc or back button
May 13 05:54:17 <KotCzarny> i think it's used for something
May 13 05:54:34 <sunshavi> it does not do anything when i press it
May 13 05:54:47 <KotCzarny> let me check 
May 13 05:55:25 <KotCzarny>   elif(k==65475 and self.id=="n8x0"): pass      # n800: hw []
May 13 05:55:25 <KotCzarny>   elif(k==65474 and self.id=="n8x0"): pass      # n800: hw home (but will popup system menu)
May 13 05:55:25 <KotCzarny>   elif(k==65473 and self.id=="n8x0"): pass      # n800: hw menu
May 13 05:55:29 <KotCzarny> ahm, unbound
May 13 06:00:40 <bencoh> sunshavi: cssu has a much more recent than 0.9.8n btw, you might want to backport it instead
May 13 06:00:55 <sunshavi> what about the lyrics. Have You though about it?
May 13 06:00:58 <bencoh> (one of the last 0.9.8)
May 13 06:01:17 <bencoh> hm?
May 13 06:01:45 <sunshavi> nice. that would be great. I should add the source repo then to my repositories list
May 13 06:02:15 <sunshavi> sorry bencoh, that was 4 KotCzarny
May 13 06:02:24 <bencoh> yeah I figured after a while :)
May 13 06:02:39 <sunshavi> I am trying oscp now 
May 13 06:02:44 <bencoh> :)
May 13 06:02:54 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: in the TODO, but hard to do, you need format that either understands it, or have synchronized file for the specific media file that you play
May 13 06:03:51 <sunshavi> a nice thing about my actual media player is the lyrics
May 13 06:04:02 <KotCzarny> what is the name?
May 13 06:04:17 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: emacs+emms
May 13 06:04:51 <sunshavi> do You want to watch a video?
May 13 06:05:09 <KotCzarny> nah, just googling to find out what do they use for lyrics source/format
May 13 06:05:22 <sunshavi> a text file
May 13 06:05:40 <KotCzarny> but what is the source of that file?
May 13 06:05:43 <sunshavi> song-nage.lyrics to song-name.mp3
May 13 06:06:00 <sunshavi> it is a text file
May 13 06:06:11 <KotCzarny> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/emms-get-lyrics.el
May 13 06:06:19 <sunshavi> right
May 13 06:06:23 <sunshavi> that is
May 13 06:06:34 <KotCzarny> so it doesnt do karaoke-like synchro, just displaying whole text?
May 13 06:06:47 <sunshavi> yes, it is simple
May 13 06:07:05 <sunshavi> but works, that was the thing winamp used to have too
May 13 06:07:06 <KotCzarny> might do that, should be simple in python
May 13 06:07:45 <sunshavi> nice
May 13 06:08:16 <sunshavi> gotta go. 
May 13 06:08:18 <KotCzarny> anyway, to start oscp from gui you shall press 'gears' icon, then directory listing should show up
May 13 06:08:36 <KotCzarny> shout when you will be back and have some time
May 13 06:09:01 <sunshavi> ok
May 13 06:09:15 <sunshavi> 8 hours from now at least
May 13 06:09:22 <KotCzarny> no worries
May 13 06:18:28 <Juest> can maemo be ran in a vm? are there x86 images?
May 13 06:18:39 <Juest> is there a arm emulator? hmm
May 13 06:18:55 <KotCzarny> yes/yes/qemu?
May 13 06:19:01 <Juest> i would like to try out maemo myself but i dont have a device or where to buy
May 13 06:19:12 <KotCzarny> ~sdk
May 13 06:19:12 <infobot> i guess sdk is http://privatepaste.com/e4a5b13fad or "wget http://repository.maemo.org/tabletsdev/explicit/maemo-dev-env-downloads/downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt"
May 13 06:19:34 <Juest> at windows.
May 13 06:19:51 <KotCzarny> vm means image you can run in virtualbox
May 13 06:19:52 <KotCzarny> righ?
May 13 06:19:58 <Juest> yeah
May 13 06:19:58 <KotCzarny> or anything similar
May 13 06:20:02 <Juest> correct
May 13 06:20:13 <Juest> privatepaste link is 404 btw
May 13 06:20:18 <KotCzarny> both are 404
May 13 06:20:25 <Juest> rip
May 13 06:20:25 <KotCzarny> what was the factoid, hrm
May 13 06:20:31 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys sdk
May 13 06:20:32 <infobot> Factoid search of 'sdk' by key (15 of 18): maemo-sdk ;; xaudio mp3 sdk ;; wddx sdk ;; glide rasterization library (sdk) for linux ;; mpegtv sdk ;; iodbc driver manager and sdk ;; isdk ;; maemosdk ;; dharma odbc sdk ;; mpkg-j2sdk ;; #maemo sdk ;; checks to make sure that q3 sdk 1.11 ;; cawfee cgi sdk ;; sdk ;; please note mojo sdk.
May 13 06:20:42 <KotCzarny> ~maemosdk
May 13 06:20:42 <infobot> from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
May 13 06:20:53 <KotCzarny> not this one.
May 13 06:20:57 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-sdk
May 13 06:20:57 <infobot> from memory, maemo-sdk is the development environment for the Nokia Internet Tablets, found here: http://maemo.org/development/
May 13 06:21:03 <KotCzarny> hrm
May 13 06:22:21 <KotCzarny> maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z
May 13 06:22:53 <KotCzarny> and http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/Readme_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.txt
May 13 06:22:57 <Juest> Okay, in where it works best?
May 13 06:23:08 <KotCzarny> - Virtualization technique supported: VMWare, VirtualBox, QEMU
May 13 06:23:21 <KotCzarny> just choose the vm that you like the best
May 13 06:23:28 <KotCzarny> its just vm with linux
May 13 06:23:32 <Juest> Ah cool, and its what n900 uses?
May 13 06:23:40 <KotCzarny> yes, fremantle sdk
May 13 06:23:48 <KotCzarny> should include emulator too
May 13 06:24:03 <KotCzarny> though i dont remember exactly
May 13 06:24:11 <KotCzarny> meybe it just allows running apps
May 13 06:24:26 <Juest> Great, the image contains vmware settings and disk
May 13 06:25:02 <KotCzarny> i haven't used it, so i cant tell you if its what you need
May 13 06:25:22 <Juest> i am reading and the files included are vmx and vmdk
May 13 06:25:28 <Juest> apparently its for use with vmware
May 13 06:25:36 <KotCzarny> vmdk can be used by any vm
May 13 06:25:39 <Juest> thank you KotCzarny, so this is kind of "untested" ?
May 13 06:25:42 <KotCzarny> as it's just plain image
May 13 06:25:54 <Juest> ahhhhh its lucid with fremantle sdk
May 13 06:26:11 <Juest> i sort of was looking for fremantle itself
May 13 06:26:56 <KotCzarny> but i think x86 version of the sdk included xephyr and the rest of the gui 
May 13 06:27:31 <KotCzarny> if you just want to try hildon, there is hildon for x86 too
May 13 06:28:21 <Juest> Yup. i would like to use maemo as anyone with the device would
May 13 06:28:55 <KotCzarny> best way of action is just acquiring one with broken modem (cheap)
May 13 06:29:21 <KotCzarny> and you can later buy the fully functional one and use the broken as a development device ;)
May 13 06:31:04 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys tablets-dev
May 13 06:31:05 <infobot> Factoid search of 'tablets-dev' by key (1): tablets-dev.
May 13 06:31:12 <KotCzarny> ~tablets-dev
May 13 06:31:12 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads
May 13 06:31:32 <KotCzarny> infobot: tablets-dev is also http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
May 13 06:31:32 <infobot> okay, KotCzarny
May 13 06:31:35 <KotCzarny> ~tablets-dev
May 13 06:31:36 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
May 13 08:49:34 <ceene> DocScrutinizer51: we've been looking at the files
May 13 08:49:58 <ceene> Altium imports them quite beautifully, it'd be possible to work with them as if directly created on Altium
May 13 08:50:11 <ceene> exporting to Eagle, however, isn't working at all really
May 13 08:50:43 <ceene> Altium is able to save to a format that is supposedly compatible by Eagle, but in the end it all fails miserably
May 13 08:51:06 <ceene> ahycka has only tried with eagle free version, though, she may want to download 30 day evaluation and see if it works better
May 13 08:51:35 <ceene> however she thinks eagle vs altium routing is something akin making fire with two stones vs a flamethrower
May 13 08:52:16 <KotCzarny> making fire with flamethrower will result in collateral damages, not to mention resulting fire will be unhealthy
May 13 08:52:17 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 13 08:52:59 <ceene> she enjoys burning it all to hell, so...
May 13 08:53:05 <KotCzarny> :)
May 13 08:57:54 <KotCzarny> installing half of the repo because of some build dependency, now i forgot what i was trying to build in the first place
May 13 08:57:55 <KotCzarny> fun.
May 13 10:50:53 <DocScrutinizer05> or you send me the exported file
May 13 11:40:30 <DocScrutinizer05> ceene: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/42728.html is this the "signal" stuff you refer to?
May 13 11:54:39 <DocScrutinizer05> seems that libresignal stuff is the hottest shite right now?
May 13 11:59:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I 100% agree on flamethrower, toldya eagle router is basicaly useless
May 13 11:59:26 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean, there's a rease altium costs what? 20 times as much as eagle?
May 13 12:14:10 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmm http://www.altium.com/free-trial?utm_source=paidsearchgoogle&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Own-Brand-Exact-Search-without-USA&gclid=COL2rKSD18wCFYpAGwod9E4GcQ
May 13 12:19:59 <DocScrutinizer05> DANG! can't altium website show a *simple* comparison table to allow easy selection of *which* product I'm interested in?
May 13 12:21:20 <DocScrutinizer05> I mean http://www.altium.com/altium-designer/benefits realy now? Can I have a concise summary please
May 13 12:22:32 <Hurrian> >prominent Contact Us button
May 13 12:22:42 <Hurrian> well, I think I found the problem, Doc
May 13 12:23:15 <Hurrian> pretty darn sad when every company and their mom's trying to push you to contact a sales agent instead of just showing a feature matrix
May 13 12:24:09 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, they seem to think I want to have a video weekend with their website: http://www.altium.com/altium-designer/whats-new?utm_source=ownedmediamegamenu&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=ad16whatsnew#active-subscription
May 13 12:26:52 <DocScrutinizer05> seems it's pretty much impossible to even find out a sales price
May 13 12:27:11 <DocScrutinizer05> *anywhere*
May 13 12:27:43 <Hurrian> yeah, either you get the free version, or chat up a sales rep for your subscription and support contract, because of course they'll upsell you a support contract
May 13 12:29:26 <DocScrutinizer05> >> You’ve had a look around and like what you see. Now you’re ready to take the next step. Contact us directly or a local channel partner and we’ll listen and work together to understand your needs.<< BLABLABLA
May 13 12:30:38 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe before you do so, I'm interested in first understanding *your* needs, in terms of cash you ask for your product?
May 13 12:33:52 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL  http://www.eevblog.com/forum/altium/confusion-on-altium-designer-pricing/
May 13 12:54:32 <zamn900> was some time I did not ask
May 13 12:54:43 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
May 13 12:54:44 <infobot> hmm... maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
May 13 12:55:08 <zamn900> KotCzarny, what's that for?
May 13 12:55:16 <KotCzarny> for me, forgot the link
May 13 12:55:21 <zamn900> ok
May 13 12:57:01 <zamn900> I was just asking for yappari
May 13 12:57:25 <KotCzarny> ceene is working on it
May 13 12:58:30 <zamn900> yes I know
May 13 12:59:25 <zamn900> I already subscribed to its yappari thread on maemo forum...
May 13 13:00:06 <jonwil> hi
May 13 13:00:38 <zamn900> hi
May 13 13:01:59 <Juest> hi
May 13 13:34:33 <zamn900> fridaaaaay bloody fridaaaaaay
May 13 13:36:25 <DocScrutinizer05> ~friday
May 13 13:36:28 <infobot> it has been said that friday is !!!!!!!! FRIDAY !!!!!!!
May 13 13:36:52 <zamn900> ayayayay
May 13 13:39:57 <zamn900> infobot sing
May 13 13:40:06 <infobot> ~song, or "I'm Sexy and I know it! Yea!"
May 13 13:40:28 <zamn900> that's bitchy
May 13 13:48:59 <zamn900> ~hammer
May 13 13:48:59 <infobot> i heard hammer is the thing if you have it, everything looks like a nail.
May 13 13:49:21 <zamn900> ~lol
May 13 13:49:22 <infobot> hmm... lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead.
May 13 13:49:47 * zamn900 lol
May 13 13:50:04 <zamn900> ~learn
May 13 13:52:02 <zamn900> ~friday fridaaaaaay bloooooody fridaaaaaaayyyy
May 13 13:52:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~query
May 13 13:52:11 <infobot> talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :)
May 13 13:52:55 <zamn900> I want to annot... actually
May 13 13:53:01 <zamn900> annoy
May 13 13:53:12 <zamn900> oyoyoyoyoy
May 13 13:53:18 <DocScrutinizer05> you might annoy the chanops
May 13 13:54:26 <zamn900> infobot is almost allmighty
May 13 14:25:24 <zamn900> ~world
May 13 14:25:24 <infobot> from memory, world is the expert about what a world is, let him do it.
May 13 14:27:53 <zamn900> ~vampire
May 13 14:27:53 <infobot> somebody said vampire was a Help Vampire, nicely described at http://slash7.com/pages/vampires
May 13 14:52:35 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1505523&postcount=59
May 13 14:53:13 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: I know, I had discussion with ginggs
May 13 14:53:26 <DocScrutinizer05> k :-)
May 13 14:53:41 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: anyway, I remember that you have some objections about lis3ld accelerometer driver in mainline kernel
May 13 14:53:45 <DocScrutinizer05> if you need forced promotion, just holler :-)
May 13 14:53:50 <Pali> do you remember?
May 13 14:54:21 <Pali> I'm planning to play with that lis3ld... i2c driver because in my laptop is that accelerometer too
May 13 14:54:33 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, but those are basicaly irrelevant since I can't do anything about. We discussed it ad nauseum with mainline maintainers and also with the meego folks, back when
May 13 14:55:05 <zamn900> or nauseam
May 13 14:55:08 <Pali> and what are problems with that driver?
May 13 14:55:17 <Pali> and why we cannot fix it?
May 13 14:56:01 <DocScrutinizer05> the basic problem is the concept, it seems the mainline driver is mainly targeted at polling, not at event / IRQ driven embedded principles
May 13 14:56:38 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't know what it takes exactly to fix the mainline driver
May 13 14:57:28 <DocScrutinizer05> for sure it's a nogo to make lis302 spit out samples at a paced rate of 100 or even 400 Hz as soon as you open the /dev/lis302whatever
May 13 14:58:38 <DocScrutinizer05> for embedded we need to set up the filters in lis302 and then make the whole thing sleep until a triggering acceleration even happens, which then should trigger an IRQ and so the CPU awakes from idle
May 13 15:00:10 <zamn900> ~goat
May 13 15:00:10 <infobot> billy goat gates is pecked by penguin..you loose|<reply>two billy gates goats...how very unattractive
May 13 15:00:39 <zamn900> ~moo
May 13 15:00:39 <infobot> mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo.
May 13 15:01:54 <zamn900> I expell methane all the day too
May 13 15:08:47 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: correct way would be to implement both polling and IRQ
May 13 15:09:23 <Pali> e.g. network card drivers already implement such thing and switch between polling and irq based on how many packets receivng...
May 13 15:09:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: yep
May 13 15:10:20 <zamn900> can I upgrade my n900 with a strawberry screwed onto?
May 13 15:10:57 <zamn900> do you like strawberries?
May 13 15:11:03 <DocScrutinizer05> of course you want "polling" (actually lis302-oscillator driven constant sampling) for stuff like acceleration diagrams etc
May 13 15:11:36 <ceene> warcraft and starcraft on maemo? and i've been spending my free time NOT playing those?
May 13 15:13:02 <ceene> DocScrutinizer05: if you think that about altium sales is because you don't know mentor pcb products. They have like 8 different products that I still don't know what are used for
May 13 15:13:06 <zamn900> heyla ceene
May 13 15:13:31 <ceene> hi, zamn900, yappari won't still work for a while, assuming it finally does
May 13 15:14:23 <zamn900> confess all the shituation please... talk straight... you won't never upgrade it
May 13 15:14:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ceene: yep, I worked with PADS at Openmoko, and I know their portfolio is quite strange
May 13 15:15:55 <zamn900> is because we were intercepting whatsapp protocol and now we can't decrypt it and use for ourselves in maemo?
May 13 15:21:45 <ceene> zamn900: situation is i can't get libwa@from coderus' mitakuulu sailfish client to work fully
May 13 15:22:02 <ceene> i don't understand why, but i hope i will someday
May 13 15:22:14 <zamn900> so you don't change your version of facts
May 13 15:22:31 <ceene> however, since this is something i do on my free time and for free, i won't ever assure anyone of anything
May 13 15:22:51 <ceene> it may take two days or two years, or i may get fed up of it all and forget about it
May 13 15:22:56 <zamn900> ok then ceene
May 13 15:23:11 <ceene> but in anycase i will keep posting on the thread so you all know what' the situation
May 13 15:23:15 <DocScrutinizer05> zamn900: please try to sound more cooperative, it's perceived rather emotional on my end
May 13 15:23:34 <ceene> really, latest news are always on the thread
May 13 15:23:34 <zamn900> indeed
May 13 15:23:46 <zamn900> I can't hide my trueself
May 13 15:23:52 <ceene> you won't get any new more info from me because any new info is posted there
May 13 15:23:59 <zamn900> ok
May 13 15:24:13 <zamn900> ceene alrigthy
May 13 15:24:26 <zamn900> thanks for your patience
May 13 15:24:33 <ceene> also, repos are updated from time to time, so you can always go to my github and look if any progress has been made
May 13 15:25:11 <ceene> i hate computers and cipher, by the way
May 13 15:25:16 <zamn900> the thread I assume is the main channel
May 13 15:25:40 <ceene> i've spent an hour at work today trying to get altium to download from our local SVN
May 13 15:26:25 <ceene> bt since our webserver uses a selfsigned certificate, which happens to use sha1, windows 10 or altium or something i still don't know, refuses to connect there
May 13 15:27:04 <ceene> can't i show the new employee computer that the server it's accessing is literally two meters apart and to really trust it?
May 13 15:27:33 <ceene> computers are stupid
May 13 15:27:34 <zamn900> if some uses win why should visit that selfsigned-linux webpages?
May 13 15:27:56 <ceene> svn is hosted there
May 13 15:28:14 <ceene> also, don't know why altium doesn't support git
May 13 15:36:17 <Pali> ceene: yes, stratagus engine with scripts for war2 are (semi-)working also on maemo
May 13 15:36:41 <Pali> but I do not develop stratagus engine anymore... and upstream decided to drop maemo support
May 13 15:36:44 <zamn900> ~warcraft
May 13 15:36:44 <infobot> methinks warcraft is understood by looking at the two words that make it up-- warc and raft. Since warcs are extinct, warcrafts are not in great use anymore.
May 13 15:39:17 <zamn900> damn I really supposed was war-craft
May 13 17:28:52 <KotCzarny> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   842218 May 13 17:27 libssl0.9.8_0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1_armel.deb
May 13 17:29:04 <KotCzarny> hmm, who wanted openssl-0.9.8o for diablo?
May 13 17:29:19 <KotCzarny> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   506040 May 13 17:27 openssl_0.9.8o-4squeeze4~bpo50+1_armel.deb
May 13 22:45:25 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: back. I have a question how can I add a directory recursively?
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