**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat May 14 02:59:58 2016
May 14 03:37:46 <Maxdamantus> sunshavi: `mkdir -p`?
May 14 04:29:06 <sunshavi> no to the oscp media player
May 14 04:30:02 <sunshavi> But, thanks Maxdamantus
May 14 04:33:27 <Maxdamantus> Anyway, improved the flash drive I've been carrying for the last 7 years: http://maxdamantus.eu.org/fd.jpg
May 14 07:54:20 <ceene> aaaaaaaaaah
May 14 07:54:27 <ceene> i'm not sending ciphered messages!!!
May 14 07:54:37 <ceene> at least now i understand why
May 14 07:54:38 <ceene> lol
May 14 07:54:52 <ceene> how can someone hate so much an inanimate piece of code
May 14 08:22:55 <Vajb> gotta love modern phones. Tried to install Xabber for my gf android and guess what happen? You got that right, can't install memory full.
May 14 08:24:00 <Vajb> that was like minute after she complained me being stubborn and not buying new phone. I returned that as "wanna ask me now why" :)
May 14 08:26:24 <Juest> Play Store loves to refuse to install apps when free space is below 500mb!
May 14 08:27:05 <KotCzarny> problem is there are many different partitions where the app/data goes
May 14 08:27:34 <KotCzarny> which means you can have 64GB card for apps and still get 'no free space'
May 14 08:27:52 <kerio> android is a mess
May 14 08:28:03 <Juest> Because the card is not taken as main "source" for stuff
May 14 08:28:12 <kerio> ios is much more legit
May 14 08:28:26 <Juest> Only it does if you dont have a "internal" storage
May 14 08:28:30 <Juest> aka /data/media
May 14 08:29:02 * Juest hates his GT-I9000
May 14 08:29:06 <Juest> 9500*
May 14 08:29:11 <Vajb> she has xcover 2. Notorious as always full memory
May 14 08:29:12 <KotCzarny> juest, depends on droid version, manufacturer etc
May 14 08:29:13 <Juest> SGS4 intl octacore
May 14 08:29:27 <Vajb> only one gb and can't install stuff on card
May 14 08:29:52 <Juest> Play store refuses to install with 1gb free?
May 14 08:29:57 <Juest> lol
May 14 08:30:15 <Maxdamantus> Well, people have the same problem with N900/Maemo if they don't hack around with the partitions, don't they?
May 14 08:30:30 <KotCzarny> yup
May 14 08:30:33 <Juest> Wish i could repartition... :|
May 14 08:30:37 <KotCzarny> vendor issues.
May 14 08:31:38 <Maxdamantus> You have some huge FAT32 filesystem for user data, a 256 M* filesystem for the base OS and some 2 GB or so filesystem for /opt
May 14 08:31:38 <Vajb> Maxdamantus: never ever had that problem
May 14 08:32:00 <Vajb> i guess im happy with few apps
May 14 08:32:03 <Vajb> then
May 14 08:32:19 <Vajb> and for xcover i guess zero is the limit
May 14 08:32:25 <Maxdamantus> If you used Android, that might still be the case.
May 14 08:32:55 <Vajb> there was also update for samsung storo which couldn't be installed because of lack of space
May 14 08:33:07 <Vajb> store*
May 14 08:33:26 <Vajb> free space around 35mb
May 14 08:33:34 <Maxdamantus> 2.8G    maemo5-root
May 14 08:33:37 <Maxdamantus> 5.0G    debian-armel-root
May 14 08:33:44 <Maxdamantus> 1.1G    opt
May 14 08:33:56 <Vajb> and xabber claimed to be 5,4
May 14 08:33:58 <Maxdamantus> 1.8G    user
May 14 08:34:18 <Maxdamantus> on my latest backup (I have everything on the same filesystem)
May 14 08:35:33 <Vajb> maemo says i have 1,32gb for apps
May 14 08:35:46 <KotCzarny> lies.
May 14 08:35:47 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 08:35:53 <Vajb> but that can't be right
May 14 08:36:02 <KotCzarny> df is the truth
May 14 08:36:53 <Vajb> oh yeah i wanted to ask if it is possible to have different on screen keyboard layouts? Best would be if it changes when i change layout from menu.
May 14 08:37:06 <Maxdamantus> rootfs                   27.4G     17.1G      8.8G  66% /
May 14 08:37:06 <Maxdamantus> /dev/mmcblk1p1          115.2G     49.2G     60.2G  45% /mnt/sd
May 14 08:37:36 <Vajb> 71% of rootfs used
May 14 08:38:55 <Vajb> k shopping time bbl...
May 14 09:03:15 <KotCzarny> ON ^NICKNAME "* *" {echo $Z Nick: $0 -> $1}
May 14 09:18:03 <Sicelo> Juest: install on memory card?
May 14 10:33:40 <ceene> this piece of shift may be failing due to google protobufs, i think
May 14 10:33:52 <ceene> version available on sb is old
May 14 10:34:09 <ceene> and i think the problem may be someplace related to protobufs
May 14 10:34:55 <Sicelo> what 'shit' you talking about lol? yappari or the other project?
May 14 10:35:19 <ceene> whenever i talk about some shit it's always yappari
May 14 10:35:22 <ceene> :D
May 14 10:35:25 <Sicelo> lol
May 14 10:35:28 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 14 10:36:06 <DocScrutinizer05> protobufs??
May 14 10:36:19 <ceene> DocScrutinizer05: yes
May 14 10:36:26 <DocScrutinizer05> never heard of
May 14 10:36:31 <ceene> a piece of gigantic shit brought to life by google
May 14 10:36:58 <ceene> https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/overview#how-do-they-work
May 14 10:37:20 <ceene> and axolotl depends on this
May 14 10:38:46 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like YACC reloaded and then raped til it shouts "Save me curl!"
May 14 10:40:33 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks google simply has way too much money to waste
May 14 10:40:59 <ceene> also, i have a problem debugging this
May 14 10:41:14 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL, yeah, I can easily see why
May 14 10:41:27 <ceene> Breakpoint 3, SessionRecord::SessionRecord (this=0xa02cd0, serialized=...)
May 14 10:41:27 <ceene>     at src/state/sessionrecord.cpp:19
May 14 10:41:27 <ceene> 19	    textsecure::RecordStructure record;
May 14 10:41:27 <ceene> (gdb) n
May 14 10:41:27 <ceene> 20	    record.ParsePartialFromArray(serialized.constData(), serialized.size());
May 14 10:41:30 <ceene> (gdb) p record
May 14 10:41:32 <ceene> No symbol "record" in current context.
May 14 10:41:45 <ceene> why?
May 14 10:42:16 <DocScrutinizer05> nfc
May 14 10:42:29 <DocScrutinizer05> sounds like c++
May 14 10:42:35 <ceene> sadly, yes
May 14 10:42:40 <ceene> maybe that's been optimized out
May 14 10:42:51 <ceene> i don't know how much control i have over this automatic code generation shit
May 14 10:42:54 <KotCzarny> rebuild?
May 14 10:42:58 <KotCzarny> with -g ?
May 14 10:43:03 <ceene> i know my code is built with -g without any -O
May 14 10:43:18 <ceene> but i think the problem is right there
May 14 10:43:21 <KotCzarny> actually if you dont use any -O then its probably -O2
May 14 10:43:24 <KotCzarny> so use -O0
May 14 10:44:47 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, no gdb expert here, no c++ expert either, but I wonder how gdb handles objects
May 14 10:45:00 <ceene> pretty badly
May 14 10:54:18 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 14 11:09:08 <kerio> is *any* sort of music playback accelerated on the n900?
May 14 11:09:31 <KotCzarny> i think media player uses it
May 14 11:09:37 <kerio> does oscp use it
May 14 11:09:38 <KotCzarny> decodes mp3 etc
May 14 11:09:46 <KotCzarny> nope, oscp doesnt use dsp
May 14 11:09:50 <kerio> .-.
May 14 11:09:54 <kerio> does it do flac
May 14 11:10:05 <KotCzarny> unless you use gst interface, then yes
May 14 11:10:11 <kerio> yay
May 14 11:11:22 <KotCzarny> but check yourself, use gst-launch and check cpu usage
May 14 11:12:29 <kerio> i'm also worried about resampling tbh
May 14 11:15:49 <kerio> A2DP is done on cpu right
May 14 11:16:12 <KotCzarny> you should be happy you have a2dp at all
May 14 11:16:52 <kerio> no i mean
May 14 11:16:58 <kerio> can i pre-encode my songs for A2DP
May 14 11:20:42 <KotCzarny> ~a2dp
May 14 11:20:42 <infobot> somebody said a2dp was http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13468
May 14 11:20:56 <kerio> noice
May 14 11:20:57 <Sicelo> a2dp definitely in software
May 14 11:21:28 <KotCzarny> uh. itt down
May 14 11:24:41 <kerio> am i a bad enough dude to play a 48/24 flac on the n900
May 14 11:25:15 <KotCzarny> i think oscp played flacs with 192k/24bit
May 14 11:25:20 <KotCzarny> 6ch
May 14 11:25:31 <KotCzarny> unless i've broken something on the way
May 14 11:25:42 <kerio> noice
May 14 11:37:56 <kerio> now the real question
May 14 11:37:57 <kerio> is it worth it
May 14 11:38:01 <kerio> probably not
May 14 11:38:15 <KotCzarny> yup.
May 14 11:38:26 <kerio> although i have to say, playing back a single flac (with openmediaplayer) seemed more snappy and responsive than playing back a v0 mp3
May 14 16:00:13 <fishbulb> is yappari likely to ever work again?
May 14 16:00:29 <fishbulb> what with the encryption
May 14 16:02:36 <Sicelo009N> it is likely, i'd say
May 14 16:02:39 <KotCzarny> if you send ceene motivational pack, maybe
May 14 16:03:21 <fishbulb> I can send koala feces
May 14 16:03:43 <KotCzarny> there, you can see the problem 
May 14 16:04:11 <fishbulb> I have an n900 with a broken usb
May 14 16:05:09 <fishbulb> hey is it possible to "bridge" the n900 with an android tablet?
May 14 16:05:51 <fishbulb> have the n900 work as a kind of 2g/3g modem?
May 14 16:06:06 <fishbulb> and have whatsapp and other things run on android?
May 14 16:06:29 <KotCzarny> i think n900 can work as an ap?
May 14 16:07:27 <fishbulb> only using wep
May 14 16:07:31 <fishbulb> and ad hoc
May 14 16:07:49 <fishbulb> and I haven't found a version of android that can connect to it
May 14 16:09:26 <fishbulb> wihtout yappari I can't really use the phone
May 14 16:14:23 <fishbulb> the only other device I have is a nexus tablet
May 14 16:15:03 <KotCzarny> maybe hacking bluetooth to use as network
May 14 16:15:24 <KotCzarny> ~pan
May 14 16:15:27 <infobot> Gnome/GTK Newsreader. URL: http://www.superpimp.org/
May 14 16:15:29 <KotCzarny> ~btpan
May 14 16:16:09 <KotCzarny> https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN
May 14 16:16:32 <KotCzarny> infobot: #maemo pan is https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN
May 14 16:16:32 <infobot> okay, KotCzarny
May 14 16:16:35 <KotCzarny> ~pan
May 14 16:16:35 <infobot> hmm... pan is https://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PAN
May 14 16:18:36 <fishbulb> this works?
May 14 16:18:55 <KotCzarny> if you can convince that tablet to use it, yes
May 14 16:20:16 * DocScrutinizer05 summons marius gedminas
May 14 16:21:43 <DocScrutinizer05> are the Programmers of Vilnius (Lit) on holiday, and the pov.lt boxes on service downtime?
May 14 16:22:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ~seen mgedmin
May 14 16:22:17 <infobot> mgedmin <~mg@Maemo/community/contributor/mgedmin> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 851d 3h 26m 33s ago, saying: 'if you rephrase the question as "what does it mean when the irc client on my n9 says 'channel mode is ...'", it suddenly becomes on-topic ;)'.
May 14 18:11:35 <Sicelo009N> ~ping
May 14 18:11:36 <infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
May 14 18:12:20 <Sicelo009N> fishbulb: put the sim in the android .. simpler :)
May 14 18:19:36 <Sicelo009N> ~ping
May 14 18:19:37 <infobot> 1 packet transmitted, 1 packet received, 0.0% packet loss
May 14 18:32:50 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: press ';' or click 'more buttons' (third icon on the left) then 'make recursive list' (icon that looks like a page with the plus sign)
May 14 18:33:22 <Vajb> is it just me or maemo pidgin can't send media?
May 14 18:39:50 <Sicelo009N> depends on protocol
May 14 18:40:46 <KotCzarny> (or was it 'l' key and empty search string
May 14 18:42:11 <Vajb> could be that it is because xabber client at the other end. It is currently not supporting file transfer
May 14 18:42:17 <Vajb> protocol is xmmp
May 14 18:45:10 <Sicelo009N> unfortunately my battery is low .. can't test
May 14 19:21:39 <fishbulb> the android can't take a sim
May 14 19:22:11 <fishbulb> it's wifi only, tablet, that's the only reason in the world to do what I was sking
May 14 19:22:27 <fishbulb> which messaging apps are left for the n900?
May 14 19:31:14 <Sicelo009N> SMS :)
May 14 19:59:11 <Vajb> pidgin
May 14 19:59:23 <Vajb> irssi
May 14 20:34:01 <KotCzarny> funny as it is, sdk chroot keeps hanging in 3.4.x kernel and runs without issues with 4.5.x
May 14 20:34:25 <KotCzarny> does it mean fremantle can run with 4.5?
May 14 20:35:36 <Sicelo> yes, afaik .. that's what freemangordon and Pali work on/do
May 14 20:45:54 <KotCzarny> or im just hitting some random futex bug
May 14 21:00:36 <luke-jr> a lot of these usb magnet chargers have poor reviews of slow charging etc
May 14 21:00:43 <luke-jr> someone has tested ZNAPS and it works fine?
May 14 21:13:57 <KotCzarny> http://kickscammed.com/project/znaps/
May 14 21:13:58 <KotCzarny> o.O
May 14 21:44:37 <luke-jr> KotCzarny: :/
May 14 21:44:41 <luke-jr> so what have people actually useD?
May 14 21:56:30 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: freemangordon: could you help me and check if you find TWL4030   GPIO6/PWM0  (pin M4)  used anywhere in the maemo code?
May 14 23:01:46 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: thanks. I am going to try it
May 14 23:21:34 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: r u planning on moving to 4.5
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