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May 15 04:25:19 <KotCzarny> luke-jr: probably some prototype and chinese knock-offs which might have been of similar quality. my guess is on the mini version of qi charger (which they wasnt able to optimize for higher power transfer in tiny package
May 15 04:30:42 <KotCzarny> which is kind of stupid, because they could have just exposed pins in the usb adapter and add spring pins in the cable attaching to i
May 15 04:30:44 <KotCzarny> t
May 15 04:31:40 <KotCzarny> there could be patents involved too, but for chinese it shouldnt be a problem, so if you know any chinese vendors/manufacturers you might suggest such design to them ;)
May 15 04:59:42 <KotCzarny> http://www.dx.com/p/cwxuan-micro-usb-metal-magnetic-adhesion-charging-cable-white-120cm-417173
May 15 04:59:49 <KotCzarny> cheap enough to try?
May 15 05:01:50 <KotCzarny> review says: pros: pretty, cons: doesnt work
May 15 05:06:31 <KotCzarny> http://www.dx.com/p/universal-dustproof-plug-type-micro-usb-magnetic-charging-cable-white-champagne-415356
May 15 05:06:39 <KotCzarny> this has a bit better reviews
May 15 05:08:36 <KotCzarny> but i guess they are the same
May 15 05:40:12 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: i've mentioned 4.5 because chroot works fine there, but fails in 3.4
May 15 05:41:42 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: ok. 4.5 on n900 sounds interesting to me
May 15 05:46:15 <KotCzarny> btw. did that oscp build worked? ie. played files etc?
May 15 05:49:17 <sunshavi> it is working,I am not using a lot cos I have been out. But until now works. a lot of buttons 
May 15 05:50:13 <sunshavi> I have not tested the streams yet. That is a pendant task. does it supports dbus?
May 15 05:51:09 <sunshavi> as my touch is failing typing with the virtual keyboard is not easy (uncalibrated)
May 15 05:51:54 <sunshavi> btw You mentioned a cli interface?
May 15 05:52:40 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: Do You have a new version with the menu enabled?
May 15 05:56:58 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: you can use file interface, i think it's in /tmp/
May 15 05:57:33 <KotCzarny> also, you can run oscp-remote.py on pc and control it from there
May 15 05:57:44 <KotCzarny> you can also do it via telnet
May 15 06:02:14 <sunshavi> ok, I am going to check it
May 15 06:03:10 <KotCzarny> you can directly open urls/files from gui too when you press 'o'
May 15 06:03:20 <KotCzarny> or just prepare .m3u playlist
May 15 06:05:52 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: mine is an n800, no keyboard ;)
May 15 06:06:37 <sunshavi> cat I activate kbd from gui?
May 15 06:07:00 <sunshavi> s/kbd/virtual-kbd/
May 15 06:07:01 <infobot> sunshavi meant: cat I activate virtual-kbd from gui?
May 15 06:07:30 <KotCzarny> i think there is a way to call vkb from any place on n800
May 15 06:08:07 <sunshavi> Sure?. That would be nice
May 15 06:10:25 <KotCzarny>  As per the settings on my N800, I should get an on screen keyboard when I press the middle button in the D-Pad. 
May 15 06:10:26 <KotCzarny> hmm
May 15 06:11:15 <KotCzarny> but i think it only works sometimes
May 15 06:11:56 <KotCzarny> you have to have the marker in a text field for the middle button to work
May 15 06:11:58 <KotCzarny> ahm.
May 15 06:12:02 <sunshavi> lol, Does NOT work on my case. Nice try :)
May 15 06:13:52 <KotCzarny> you can also ignore the gtk gui if you prefer more keyboard. close core ('x' button under gears icon), clos gui, start xterm, run: oscp -d 0
May 15 06:15:26 <sunshavi> I have started it from ssh, and it starting playing a song. Is that ok?
May 15 06:15:49 <KotCzarny> sure, if you dont want autoplay add -a 0
May 15 06:17:29 <sunshavi> ok, on this curses interface Can I add an stream address?
May 15 06:17:55 <KotCzarny> 'o'
May 15 06:20:26 <sunshavi> when pasting on the terminal the stream url. oscp freezed
May 15 06:20:57 <KotCzarny> what was in the copy buffer?
May 15 06:21:11 <KotCzarny> it might be trying to open the stream too
May 15 06:21:37 <sunshavi> mmm, more than a min until now
May 15 06:23:07 <KotCzarny> its not saying anything about opening?
May 15 06:23:22 <sunshavi> default media player opens it without an issue
May 15 06:23:30 <KotCzarny> also, what was the link?
May 15 06:23:40 <sunshavi> http://67.212.179.138:8300
May 15 06:24:19 <sunshavi> cli interface responded
May 15 06:24:41 <KotCzarny> works here (on banana pi, same build tree)
May 15 06:25:09 <sunshavi> with the cli interface?
May 15 06:25:13 <KotCzarny> yes
May 15 06:25:23 <sunshavi> too weird
May 15 06:25:34 <KotCzarny> i'll grab my n800 today and test
May 15 06:25:41 <sunshavi> did u typed it? or pasted?
May 15 06:25:51 <KotCzarny> shift-insert via ssh
May 15 06:26:03 <sunshavi> then pasted
May 15 06:26:13 <sunshavi> that is the same I am doing
May 15 06:26:54 <KotCzarny> its a bit experimental build, not sure if everything works, that's why i didnt post the deb to repo yet
May 15 06:28:22 <sunshavi> now I have typed it. Waiting to see what happens now
May 15 06:28:59 <sunshavi> nothing
May 15 06:29:18 <sunshavi> should it update the listing?
May 15 06:29:28 <KotCzarny> yes
May 15 06:29:46 <sunshavi> it is not happening
May 15 06:30:10 <KotCzarny> then something is broken, does it open when you put that link in .m3u file?
May 15 06:30:37 <sunshavi> I am going to try it
May 15 06:31:51 <sunshavi> yes it works
May 15 06:32:04 <sunshavi> and also have some hiccups
May 15 06:32:18 <sunshavi> when I type on the irc
May 15 06:32:44 <sunshavi> very weird
May 15 06:32:58 <sunshavi> the built-in media player plays it without hiccups
May 15 06:33:34 <KotCzarny> will debug it in the evening when i have my n800 here
May 15 06:34:15 <sunshavi> probably You are not going to get the effect. My setup goes this way:
May 15 06:35:09 <sunshavi> RAM: 94MiB / 123MiB
May 15 06:35:24 <sunshavi> I have emacs loaded there
May 15 06:35:57 <sunshavi> mail, mbsync, chat
May 15 06:36:29 <sunshavi> and my uptime is 5 days until now
May 15 06:37:29 <KotCzarny> mhm
May 15 06:37:50 <sunshavi> do You use the osso-media-player from within oscp?
May 15 06:38:01 <KotCzarny> nope, all software decoding
May 15 06:38:11 <sunshavi> mmm, that's the reason then
May 15 06:38:15 <KotCzarny> which means it can decode just everything
May 15 06:38:20 <KotCzarny> but eats cpu
May 15 06:38:40 <sunshavi> on devices like n900 it is not an issue, but remember 400 mhz here
May 15 06:38:58 <KotCzarny> n900 has 600mhz, overclockable too
May 15 06:39:07 <KotCzarny> but 600 is enough
May 15 06:39:20 <sunshavi> that is more than the double
May 15 06:39:21 <KotCzarny> its more about missing neon optimizations for software decoding
May 15 06:39:37 <KotCzarny> n800 had 400mhz afair
May 15 06:40:20 <sunshavi> right, I have mentioned that 5 lines above
May 15 06:40:22 <sunshavi> :p
May 15 06:40:48 <KotCzarny> 600 is not more than the double 400 :P
May 15 06:41:12 <KotCzarny> anyway, gonna debug later
May 15 06:41:27 <KotCzarny> because ncurses act weird
May 15 06:41:30 <sunshavi> built-in media player uses the dsp
May 15 06:41:47 <KotCzarny> yes, but doesnt play all formats
May 15 06:42:53 <sunshavi> my idea, from my experience with the n800 with is more than with the n900 is feeding more codeds to the default media player
May 15 06:43:17 <sunshavi> i tested mplayer against built-in-mp
May 15 06:43:40 <sunshavi> and built-in-mp gave me better battery life. That was 5 years ago
May 15 06:44:43 <sunshavi> oscp play more formats than mplayer?. It is a curious question
May 15 06:48:23 <KotCzarny> try: oscp -H
May 15 06:49:20 <KotCzarny> when i manage to get newer gcc in the sdk i'll enable assembly optimizations for libav formats
May 15 06:50:05 <sunshavi> newer gcc?, modern than gcc 3.4.4?
May 15 06:51:11 <sunshavi> a couple of years ago. I tried vanilla 4.9.2 on sb2 4 emacs compilation. But did not get beeter binary size, which was what I was looking for.
May 15 06:51:22 <KotCzarny> yup
May 15 06:51:46 <KotCzarny> 3.4 fails to build libav with arm assembly enabled
May 15 06:52:13 <sunshavi> So. at that moment my conclusion was that codesourcery made some very good optimizations on gcc 3.4
May 15 06:52:33 <KotCzarny> its 2008 vs 2016
May 15 06:52:41 <KotCzarny> quite some things could've changed
May 15 06:52:57 <KotCzarny> pah, even getting 4.2 will be nice
May 15 06:53:02 <sunshavi> ok, do not take my word as rock solid then
May 15 06:54:05 <sunshavi> mmm. I would be interested on trying ur results also :)
May 15 06:54:21 <KotCzarny> :)
May 15 06:55:02 <sunshavi> ok KotCzarny: time to sleep here. See u soon
May 15 06:55:08 <KotCzarny> bb
May 15 06:55:13 <KotCzarny> thanks for testing
May 15 06:55:28 <sunshavi> no problem. 
May 15 08:09:31 <vectis3> KotCzarny: Does oscp use alsa on N8*0 tablets?
May 15 08:15:21 <KotCzarny> vectis3: esd
May 15 08:15:49 <KotCzarny> i could've used alsa, but then there will be no system sound
May 15 08:15:58 <KotCzarny> unless there were other troubles
May 15 08:24:43 <vectis3> Other troubles? issues with alsa?
May 15 08:26:01 <KotCzarny> no hardware mixing and probably weird audio device
May 15 08:26:13 <KotCzarny> now that im starting to remember
May 15 09:05:50 <ceene> {"status":"fail","reason":"blocked"}
May 15 09:05:52 <ceene> :(
May 15 09:07:49 <KotCzarny> want my number?
May 15 09:07:57 <ceene> that would be great
May 15 09:14:51 <ceene> you and Sicelo we'll be forever remembered as those that sacrificed your virtual social life in benefit of every other yappari user
May 15 09:15:04 <ceene> well, sicelo couldn't even get his number banned, as we couldn't register
May 15 09:15:18 <ceene> thanks a lot!
May 15 09:16:02 <KotCzarny> k, gotta run, cya!
May 15 09:16:11 <KotCzarny> you can ban this number because i dont use wa
May 15 09:16:22 <KotCzarny> bbl
May 15 09:16:36 <KotCzarny> my social life is irc
May 15 09:16:42 <KotCzarny> just saying. ;)
May 15 09:49:03 <jonwil> hi
May 15 09:49:39 <ceene> hi, jonwil 
May 15 09:49:59 <ceene> what are you REing lately? :)
May 15 09:56:23 <jonwil> nothing, had no time for N900 stuff :)
May 15 09:56:34 <jonwil> other than the brief bit a while back figuring out who uses what inside openssl
May 15 09:57:32 <ceene> i got committed my patch for disabling vulnerable ssl versions on QT :)
May 15 09:58:12 <bencoh> cssu?
May 15 09:58:29 <ceene> yes
May 15 09:58:39 <ceene> don't know when will it be pushed to cssu-devel
May 15 09:59:03 <ceene> i don't know which is the procedure there, i just assume it will make it to cssu sometime
May 15 09:59:04 <bencoh> you'd have to ping merlin1991 I guess
May 15 09:59:26 <ceene> well, they've commited it, so i guess it's a matter of time
May 15 09:59:35 <ceene> i don't want to push anyone if there's already a stablished procedure
May 15 09:59:42 <bencoh> or maybe fmg, but he kinda spends all his n900 time on kernel these days
May 15 10:00:16 <bencoh> I'm not sure there is one :)
May 15 10:00:33 <bencoh> (apart from "wait for the maintainer and maybe ping him if it takes a long time")
May 15 10:00:59 <ceene> :)
May 15 10:01:12 <ceene> i'm concentrated on yappari right now
May 15 10:01:16 <ceene> i hate this thing
May 15 10:01:19 <ceene> but i'm so near now
May 15 10:01:38 <bencoh> hmm I guess we should update cssu/devel wiki
May 15 10:01:52 <bencoh> http://gitorious.org/community-ssu isn't exactly up to date :)
May 15 10:02:49 <bencoh> I suppose https://github.com/community-ssu is the current one ?
May 15 10:03:03 <ceene> yes
May 15 10:04:45 <vectis3> ceene: I have a number you can use if it helps
May 15 10:04:48 <bencoh> updated :)
May 15 10:07:34 <ceene> thank you, vectis3!
May 15 10:07:40 <ceene> i'm using KotCzarny's now
May 15 10:14:37 <jonwil> Where did your qt patch get pushed?
May 15 10:14:41 <jonwil> https://github.com/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo ?
May 15 11:44:21 <ceene> jonwil: yes, https://github.com/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commit/8e8ccb76d28ff814045fd6f73fe77443ab05510c
May 15 11:45:48 <ceene> and i have on the backlog a patch to make qt use openssl1.0.2
May 15 11:45:51 <ceene> but that is not ready yet
May 15 11:45:58 <ceene> and i'm quite busy with yappari for the moment
May 15 12:39:21 <jonwil> I am sure you will overcome the hurdles and get WhatsApp working on the N900
May 15 14:15:22 <luke-jr> KotCzarny: I'm worried about the reviews which say it latches in strongly.. might not be able to insert/remove without breaking it? :/
May 15 14:25:38 <KotCzarny> luke-jr: add paper spacer?
May 15 16:00:07 <KotCzarny> i must say..
May 15 16:00:40 <KotCzarny> oscp on n800 manages better than n900 (even using software decoding)
May 15 16:00:47 <KotCzarny> f*cking pulseaudio
May 15 16:14:17 <KotCzarny> sunshavi: i've checked oscp and it works here on n800 (pasting url via ssh)
May 15 16:15:02 <sunshavi> mmm, ok, no idea, what happens on my side then
May 15 16:17:58 <KotCzarny> maybe you've had something else/more in the paste buffer
May 15 16:25:29 <sunshavi> no, for probing it I can try pasting a dbus script with the same address and it is going to work
May 15 16:26:02 <sunshavi> s/address/stream-address/
May 15 16:26:02 <infobot> sunshavi meant: no, for probing it I can try pasting a dbus script with the same stream-address and it is going to work
May 15 16:26:46 <KotCzarny> anyway, you might try again, because it works here, and if it fails i will be interested in debug log then
May 15 16:28:33 <sunshavi> Ok. I am going to test
May 15 16:46:37 <sunshavi> KotCzarny: It works after pasting the address is added to the playlist, then You should play the item on the playlist. Sorry for the noise
May 15 16:48:36 <KotCzarny> nope, you shouldnt be needed to do that, it should create new virtual playlist when you paste
May 15 16:49:22 <sunshavi> have u used firefox hello?
May 15 16:49:33 <KotCzarny> nope
May 15 16:49:57 <sunshavi> then. Let's try it
May 15 17:25:43 <luke-jr> KotCzarny: paper spacer? wat?
May 15 17:29:57 <KotCzarny> force is proportional to distance
May 15 17:30:21 <KotCzarny> if you add 0.1mm spacer so magnets wouldnt stick together it would be a bit smaller force
May 15 17:30:46 <KotCzarny> s/proportional/inversely proportional to distance^2/
May 15 17:42:46 <Vajb> totally irrelevant, but polar loop used magnet to connect usb cable to device
May 15 17:42:53 <Vajb> uses*
May 15 17:43:24 <Vajb> it has magnet ring and 4 pins at the middle
May 15 19:49:57 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: link?
May 15 21:29:39 <luke-jr> KotCzarny: I'm talking about the side you insert to microUSB…
May 15 21:30:27 <KotCzarny> hum
May 15 21:52:27 <DocScrutinizer05> oops, sorry, EHILITE
May 15 21:52:38 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: link?
May 15 21:56:12 <DocScrutinizer05> luke-jr: ((t latches in strongly.. might not be able to insert/remove without breaking)) actually not correct when you unplug it using the right method. grab the USB plug on the two small sideswith thumb and digit finger tips, so close to the body that you can actually pinch it out by pressing the tips of fingertips against the body
May 15 21:56:49 <DocScrutinizer05> after doing that a 50 or 100 times, it has adjusted itself and works way smoother
May 15 21:57:20 <DocScrutinizer05> also a tad of pencil graphite on the *outside* of the plug steel sleeve helps a lot
May 15 21:57:33 <DocScrutinizer05> just paint it with a pencil
May 15 21:58:20 <DocScrutinizer05> the USB receptacle hardly breaks from pulling forces, what kills it are bending forces
May 15 21:59:01 <DocScrutinizer05> also see
May 15 21:59:05 <DocScrutinizer05> ~usbfix
May 15 21:59:05 <infobot> well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt
May 15 21:59:36 <DocScrutinizer05> >>...**BEFORE** and after if breaks...<<
May 15 22:00:12 <DocScrutinizer05> actually >> Fixing USB port, before and after it is to late. (All info in one Thread)<<
May 15 22:02:28 <DocScrutinizer05> if you realy want to do something about the plug, just bend in the two latches with th /| shaped noses a tad, using your fingernail. You also can use a fingernail file to slightly round the shart tip of the /| noses. Do _not_ completely remove those noses though
May 15 22:03:16 <DocScrutinizer05> and as always, a tiny bit of graphite at the | side of the noses does wonders
May 15 22:03:39 <DocScrutinizer05> you need a sharp pencil for that
May 15 22:03:39 <Sicelo009N>  00:03:38 up 15 days, 17:07, load average: 0.14, 0.42, 0.31
May 15 22:03:48 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
May 15 22:04:26 <Sicelo009N> not really impressive, but I'm happy about this much uptime, lol .. considering this N900 has been coming up with issues almost every week for the last 6 months :)
May 15 22:04:59 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# uptime
May 15 22:05:00 <DocScrutinizer05>  00:04    39 Tage  6:30 an,  0 Benutzer,  Durchschnittslast: 0,16, 0,07, 0,02
May 15 22:05:31 <DocScrutinizer05> but mine lately comes up with terrible audio stuttering
May 15 22:05:36 <Sicelo009N> i just need to pamper the battery to see how far i can go
May 15 22:05:40 <DocScrutinizer05> *never* had that before
May 15 22:05:50 <Sicelo009N> this is daily N900
May 15 22:06:01 <DocScrutinizer05> here too :-D
May 15 22:06:07 <Sicelo009N> :)
May 15 22:06:26 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why audio sucks terribly when even normal phonecalls only start working after 5 or 10s
May 15 22:06:55 <Sicelo> tried any tricks to sort that?
May 15 22:06:56 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess I have to roll back PA to stock, from CSSU. Just to make sure...
May 15 22:07:41 <DocScrutinizer05> well, what tricks would you suggest for a system that works 5 years flawlessly before it starts cocking up
May 15 22:08:19 <Sicelo009N> :)
May 15 22:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I could deactivate recaller, this might be an interesting test
May 15 22:08:57 <Sicelo009N> ah yes.. recaller is known to have issues. you may find orechiette better. ymmv
May 15 22:09:21 <DocScrutinizer05> quite possible the kernel workload for writing to storage got inferior over time
May 15 22:10:05 <DocScrutinizer05> or the uSD I'm using sucks, or whatever
May 15 22:10:15 <Sicelo009N> uSD for swap?
May 15 22:10:23 <DocScrutinizer05> **or**... PA fixes in CSSU are not really fixes
May 15 22:10:29 <DocScrutinizer05> nah
May 15 22:11:13 <DocScrutinizer05> but every other year I change my mind where music should reside
May 15 22:11:43 <Sicelo> pebkac then :)
May 15 22:11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> occasionally I even change the camera DCIM dir storage location
May 15 22:12:03 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
May 15 22:12:15 <DocScrutinizer05> how's that pebkac?
May 15 22:12:51 <Sicelo> lol. just saying
May 15 22:13:02 <Sicelo> of late my MfE acting up :-/
May 15 22:13:19 <Sicelo> synchronization icon says it failed, but i get mail.
May 15 22:15:11 <DocScrutinizer05> it/me wonders how drager err tracker's inotify handles work, if they maybe get cloned for each subdir of a monitored sir
May 15 22:15:19 <DocScrutinizer05> s/sir/dir/
May 15 22:15:20 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: it/me wonders how drager err tracker's inotify handles work, if they maybe get cloned for each subdir of a monitored dir
May 15 22:15:36 <Sicelo> anyway, still love my N900. sometimes the age of the hardware shows, but it's still quite capable :)
May 15 22:15:56 <Sicelo> inotify .. you mean what initiates reindexing?
May 15 22:15:59 <DocScrutinizer05> that would mean my system lately seen a increase of inotify handles by factor 100 or even 1000
May 15 22:16:25 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, the inotify-watch thing tracker does
May 15 22:17:17 * DocScrutinizer05 prolly needs to study the kernel code for inotify
May 15 22:18:16 <Sicelo> report back any findings ;)
May 15 22:18:23 <DocScrutinizer05> it *could* just be a sort of stringcomp() against each write() path
May 15 22:18:53 <DocScrutinizer05> or it's sort of a filehandle for each singe dir and all its subdirs
May 15 22:19:03 <DocScrutinizer05> single*
May 15 22:19:17 * DocScrutinizer05 needs a new kbd, L key is half dead
May 15 22:22:12 <Sicelo> under domesheet? or you mean the mat?
May 15 22:22:14 * DocScrutinizer05 also wonders how much overhead active inotify-s cause for each open()
May 15 22:22:26 <DocScrutinizer05> err PC kbd
May 15 22:22:33 <Sicelo> ah :)
May 15 22:22:54 <DocScrutinizer05> cheesy err cherry 9bucks kbd
May 15 22:23:29 <DocScrutinizer05> they are nice but really don't stay longer than max 2 years
May 15 22:24:05 <DocScrutinizer05> then they key prints are gone on n,m, etc, and on this one yesterday the L keycap came off
May 15 22:24:46 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: I soldered down my USB port in my first N900 and it still broke irrepairably
May 15 22:25:05 <DocScrutinizer05> oh wow, how did you manage *that*?
May 15 22:25:07 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: which adapter is your experience with?
May 15 22:25:18 <DocScrutinizer05> adapter?
May 15 22:25:28 * Sicelo009N heads to bed o/
May 15 22:25:35 <DocScrutinizer05> n8 Sicelo009N
May 15 22:25:38 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: I had it plugged in, and it snagged as I was getting off the plane. the USB cable broke, but so did the port
May 15 22:26:17 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: the topic was http://www.amazon.com/PLESON%C2%AE-Premium-Magnetic-Detachable-Motorola/dp/B01009NQGK which has reviews saying things like "So, as a word of caution, when you try to install this, you will have to push very hard to get the adaptor in your device. You may think that you are about to break your device, but you're not."
May 15 22:26:55 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
May 15 22:27:15 <DocScrutinizer05> WOW, they stole my idea :-S
May 15 22:27:40 <luke-jr> there's a bunch of these things now
May 15 22:28:01 <luke-jr> http://www.amazon.com/SweetLF-Magnetic-Converter-Compatible-Included/dp/B01AJPS90I sounds potentially less risky
May 15 22:31:55 <DocScrutinizer05> sweeeet
May 15 22:33:55 * luke-jr hopes this is a case of "I'm glad they stole my idea" :P
May 15 22:34:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, of course
May 15 22:34:58 <DocScrutinizer05> awesome
May 15 22:36:30 <luke-jr> SweetLF's is apparently complaints of the magnet being too weak
May 15 22:36:40 <luke-jr> which tells me "not likely to break the N900 ever"
May 15 22:38:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I just wonder how they manage to keep the right orientation (not 180° rotated) on those things. The first one has a fuzzy suggestion that they have a Graetz diode bridge for VBUS, and you need to watch orientation of the "plug" when you want to do data
May 15 22:42:19 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm a tad worried that they never show how the adapter actualy looks from outside, when no 'plug' snapped on
May 15 22:43:18 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway the second one looks better, if only because it actually has 5 pins
May 15 22:43:42 <DocScrutinizer05> gold plated. And cheaper
May 15 22:43:44 <DocScrutinizer05> errr
May 15 22:43:58 <Juest> Interesting, why maemo on xephyr is missing some common packages?
May 15 22:44:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh the first one also has 5
May 15 22:45:04 <DocScrutinizer05> Juest: err, that's scratchbox, no? maybe you just need to intall them?
May 15 22:45:24 <DocScrutinizer05> or they are pointless on the emu, like dialer for example
May 15 22:45:49 <Juest> They're unavailable
May 15 22:45:57 <Juest> DocScrutinizer05 ^
May 15 22:46:23 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, depends. Which packages you're talking about?
May 15 22:46:32 <Juest> this is on nokia lucid vm also
May 15 22:46:58 * Juest boots it
May 15 22:47:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Lucid is also a scratchbox emu environment afaik
May 15 22:48:09 <Juest> ubuntu lucid
May 15 22:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> seems our devels made a lot of funny stuff work in that emu, even down to the bootloader. But some "apps" simply make no sense and are not available in x86 version at all, nor could they run and do sth useful in a ARM emu environment, when they don't have the phone's hardware to mess with
May 15 22:50:02 <Juest> basic stuff is missing lol
May 15 22:50:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, /scratchbox/ in Ubuntu lucid
May 15 22:51:01 * DocScrutinizer05 detects some misconceptions about what to expect from the SB emu environment
May 15 22:51:23 <Juest> I am trying to use maemo as a normal user with the device would /without the device/
May 15 22:51:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ~scratchbox
May 15 22:51:27 <infobot> it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
May 15 22:51:38 <luke-jr> would be nice if these magnetic things had a 90 degree cable for the Pyra :x
May 15 22:52:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Juest: the emu hardly can emulate a modem to allow you making calls
May 15 22:52:30 <Juest> worse, since control+shift is grab/ungrab on Xepyr i cant do shortucts *facedesk*
May 15 22:52:54 <Juest> not interested in calls LOL
May 15 22:53:26 <DocScrutinizer05> then I can't help when you don't want to be more specific what's the stuff you're missing
May 15 22:54:12 <luke-jr> is there such a thing as a USB cable that can't do 2 amps?
May 15 22:54:17 <DocScrutinizer05> SB is meant as development environment to test your own stuff
May 15 22:54:34 <DocScrutinizer05> luke-jr: yep, you can bet there is
May 15 22:54:34 <kerio> luke-jr: USB 2.0 is .5A
May 15 22:54:44 <luke-jr> how do I find the ones that can handle 2A? :P
May 15 22:54:55 <kerio> some people take minimum requirements as hard limits :>
May 15 22:55:03 <DocScrutinizer05> luke-jr: use the foce... ;-)
May 15 22:55:08 <DocScrutinizer05> force*
May 15 22:55:22 <Juest> weird, launching the script directly in terminal crashes, desktop shortcut works fine -.-
May 15 22:55:23 <Juest> o.o
May 15 22:55:34 <kerio> i kinda want to buy one of those musb magnetic adapters now
May 15 22:55:47 <kerio> but i bet that it's a ne way street
May 15 22:55:48 <kerio> *one
May 15 22:55:50 <Juest> modified-hildon-desktop, some apps dont open
May 15 22:56:02 <DocScrutinizer05> one way?
May 15 22:56:50 <DocScrutinizer05> MHD is obsolete, the maintained version isw in CSSU
May 15 22:57:06 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: especially the first one
May 15 22:57:25 <DocScrutinizer05> don't get it
May 15 22:57:41 <DocScrutinizer05> what's your "one way" meant to say?
May 15 22:57:59 <kerio> "So, as a word of caution, when you try to install this, you will have to push very hard to get the adaptor in your device. You may think that you are about to break your device, but you're not."
May 15 22:58:14 <Juest> ...
May 15 22:58:21 <kerio> i doubt that the n900's musb port will survive insertion *and* removal
May 15 22:58:23 <DocScrutinizer05> meh, that sounds like an odd advice
May 15 22:58:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd tweak that thing into shape, so it inserts normal
May 15 22:59:42 <kerio> my musb port is having issues as of late .-.
May 15 22:59:54 <kerio> probably time to buy an iphone or something
May 15 23:00:14 <kerio> well, there's not really anything else
May 15 23:00:42 <kerio> pyra with umts module?
May 15 23:01:48 * DocScrutinizer05 glares at eSATA backup HDD which still is active backing up the 800some GB of /home. Hopes it will finish before the primary HDD finally explodes
May 15 23:02:33 <kerio> honestly
May 15 23:02:46 <luke-jr> kerio: I'm going to Pyra
May 15 23:02:52 <kerio> my options are: 1) another n900 or 2) iphone
May 15 23:02:56 <luke-jr> why not Pyra?
May 15 23:03:09 <kerio> because it's not a phone
May 15 23:03:12 <luke-jr> …
May 15 23:03:16 <luke-jr> neither was N900
May 15 23:03:26 <kerio> also i thought it wasn't out yet
May 15 23:03:34 <luke-jr> it's not, but you can't wait a few months?
May 15 23:04:08 <kerio> probably yeah
May 15 23:04:15 <kerio> the pyra is thick as fuck tho
May 15 23:05:01 <kerio> also, 745€
May 15 23:05:06 <luke-jr> yeah, almost as thick as my C760 + N810
May 15 23:05:27 <luke-jr> kerio: but what alternatives are there? :/
May 15 23:05:34 <kerio> iphone
May 15 23:06:00 <kerio> a 6s 64gb costs 700 moneys
May 15 23:06:01 <luke-jr> srsly
May 15 23:06:09 <kerio> i know :c
May 15 23:06:58 <luke-jr> 4ft ReadyPlug® Retractable USB Data/Charger Cable for Maxwest Orbit 10QC - Extra Long (4 Feet) <-- QC = 2A? :/
May 15 23:06:59 <kerio> honestly my n900 is basically just an xchat machine at this point
May 15 23:07:16 <luke-jr> kerio: Pyra prob serves that role better than iPhone :p
May 15 23:07:18 <kerio> ye
May 15 23:07:30 <luke-jr> I suppose there's the option of a cheap Android tethered to GPD Win?
May 15 23:07:35 <kerio> LUL ANDROID
May 15 23:07:47 <luke-jr> but phone batteries tend to suck these days
May 15 23:07:50 <kerio> yeah no
May 15 23:08:03 <kerio> i'm not going near that stupid student project OS
May 15 23:08:08 <luke-jr> lol
May 15 23:08:15 <luke-jr> hence the tether
May 15 23:08:23 <kerio> why android then
May 15 23:08:33 <luke-jr> because there's no alternatives
May 15 23:10:26 <kerio> hrmpf, there's no entry-level umts microsoft phones
May 15 23:10:33 <kerio> only 2g
May 15 23:16:47 <DocScrutinizer05> use an UMTS stick
May 15 23:17:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I dunno, do they sell non-smart phones anymore nowadays?
May 15 23:17:32 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: yeah that will look so cool on top of the pyra
May 15 23:17:35 <kerio> XD
May 15 23:17:50 <kerio> ye they sell a handful of S40-like phones
May 15 23:17:55 <kerio> i have one
May 15 23:18:00 <kerio> it's super legit
May 15 23:18:02 <DocScrutinizer05> 3G?
May 15 23:18:06 <kerio> battery lasts forever
May 15 23:18:11 <kerio> no, gsm nly
May 15 23:18:14 <kerio> *only
May 15 23:18:15 <DocScrutinizer05> eew
May 15 23:18:45 <kerio> well it was like 50�
May 15 23:18:56 <kerio> pretty solid as an emergency phone
May 15 23:19:54 <kerio> the battery with "microsoft mobile" on it made me really sad tho :c
May 16 00:39:26 <luke-jr> kerio: why would you put a UMTS stick on a Pyra?
May 16 00:39:31 <luke-jr> Pyra has builtin 2G/3G/4G
May 16 01:05:46 <Oksana> Because it's easier to upgrade to a different cellular modem if it is an external USB stick, not a built-in chip
May 16 02:27:37 <sunshavi> pyra would make a good replacement for my n800
May 16 02:39:22 <ds3> is there a port of Maemo to it yet?
May 16 02:45:10 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: better late than never, huh? 1.bp.blogspot.com/-V65u8ku1-wo/UzAWKeMhQxI/AAAAAAAABxE/hm4gzEbnnfM/s1600/DSCN4405.jpg :)
May 16 02:45:36 <Juest> lol
May 16 02:47:00 <DocScrutinizer05> ta
May 16 02:48:02 * DocScrutinizer05 finished backing up /home, a humble 700GB, before the primary HDD explodes from bad sectors
May 16 02:48:30 <DocScrutinizer05> sucker already killed my KDE config completely
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