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May 19 07:41:24 <Vajb> i think i may have fixed my tracker problem. There was value to track /mydocs/.camera, but such folder didn't excist.
May 19 07:52:08 <Sicelo> what was the tracker problem?
May 19 07:52:55 <kerio> does the maemo media player play ALACs?
May 19 07:52:58 <kerio> i never tried
May 19 07:55:43 <Sicelo> likely not. 
May 19 07:56:38 <kerio> yeah it was opened in 2011
May 19 07:57:07 <KotCzarny> oscp plays alacs i think
May 19 07:57:14 <KotCzarny> never had any to test tho
May 19 08:00:42 <Vajb> Sicelo: when ever i closed gallery, hildon-thumbnailer went berserk. Used all my precious processing power.
May 19 08:01:17 <Vajb> it didn't help, if i let it finnish
May 19 08:01:25 <Sicelo> ah, i remember now :)
May 19 08:01:30 <Sicelo> glad you solved it
May 19 08:37:53 <Vajb> yeah, me too. I just hope it lasts.
May 19 11:26:24 <sixwheeledbeast> I recall a similar issue with thumbnailer here. I still wonder what asked tracker to track a none existent file.
May 19 12:17:01 <Vajb> sixwheeledbeast: it was non existing folder here. Dunno if i have deleted it or why it was missing.
May 19 12:58:28 <DocScrutinizer05> it's in trackercfg aiui
May 19 13:01:39 <DocScrutinizer05> Vajb: no such folder on my system either
May 19 13:04:20 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/35823959
May 19 13:10:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh btw there _were_ bugfixes to tracker that should ship with CSSU since long time
May 19 13:10:49 <DocScrutinizer05> which might explain why I don't see that problem
May 19 13:24:59 <DocScrutinizer05> >>CGroups: In the past some businesses (like Nokia) using Tracker on embedded systems have used CGroups to limit the resources the Tracker processes have.<<
May 19 13:25:10 <DocScrutinizer05> >>Memory allocator watchdog - osso_mem_saw_enable(): Nokia implemented this to make sure processes didn't accidentally try to allocate too much memory. Tracker used it at some time or another, but no longer.<<
May 19 13:25:19 <DocScrutinizer05> a nice example of the reasons why maemo often incorrectly considered "proprietary"
May 19 13:25:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~tracker
May 19 13:25:25 <infobot> ""Tracker currently has a function called tracker_memory_setrlimits() which sets the limitation of RLIMIT_AS and RLIMIT_DATA clamping it between 50% of total memory and MAXLONG (2GB on 32-bit) as an upper limit.""   Between 50% and MAXLONG of memory? WHAT THE F*CKING HELL SUCKER?!  https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Tracker/Documentation/Configuration
May 19 13:34:21 <DocScrutinizer05> @cssu ^^^
May 19 13:34:31 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/35823959
May 19 13:36:45 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# grep ".camera" /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg
May 19 13:36:47 <DocScrutinizer05> WatchDirectoryRoots=$HOME/MyDocs/.sounds/;$HOME/MyDocs/.documents/;$HOME/MyDocs/.videos/;$HOME/MyDocs/.images/;$HOME/MyDocs/.camera/;
May 19 13:36:48 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ll /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg
May 19 13:36:50 <DocScrutinizer05> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2859 2009-01-01 06:03 /home/user/n900-1/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg
May 19 13:38:30 <FIQ> tracker
May 19 13:38:48 <FIQ> isn't that the thing that constantly drains resources to index things you don't care about
May 19 13:39:25 <DocScrutinizer05> WTF?!
May 19 13:39:28 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# ls -lb /home/user/MyDocs/._*
May 19 13:39:29 <DocScrutinizer05> -rwxrwxrwx 1 user root 4096 2010-03-30 16:58 /home/user/MyDocs/._
May 19 13:39:52 <DocScrutinizer05> FIQ: exactly
May 19 13:41:06 <DocScrutinizer05> MEH!!  >>^@^E^V^G^@^B^@^@Mac OS X        ^@<<
May 19 13:43:42 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway http://paste.opensuse.org/54703065
May 19 13:47:25 <DocScrutinizer05> @cssu: we should provide a decent update for a properly configured /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg, possibly even as patch(1)
May 19 13:48:11 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05, can it be killed
May 19 13:48:23 <DocScrutinizer05> what? tracker?
May 19 13:48:30 <FIQ> yes
May 19 13:48:45 <DocScrutinizer05> you can kill the tracker process but that doesn't do no good
May 19 13:48:52 <FIQ> bah
May 19 13:48:57 <FIQ> that's stupid
May 19 13:49:10 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, tracker *is* stupid
May 19 13:49:14 <FIQ> why couldn't nokia just have a setting
May 19 13:49:19 <FIQ> "Enable indexing of media files"
May 19 13:49:32 <FIQ> or at least allow one to do it oneself by terminal hackery
May 19 13:49:36 <DocScrutinizer05> because gallery, mediaplayer and whatnot else depend on working tracker
May 19 13:49:47 <FIQ> aargh
May 19 13:49:57 <FIQ> why
May 19 13:50:01 <APic> -_-
May 19 13:50:20 <DocScrutinizer05> because... "user is stupid and doesn't grok the concept of pathnames"
May 19 13:50:39 <DocScrutinizer05> or simply because "Aplle does it that way too"
May 19 13:50:45 <DocScrutinizer05> apple even
May 19 13:55:36 <FIQ> DocScrutinizer05, they know how computers work somehow
May 19 13:55:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you can use mediaplayer with plain file pathnames by simply clicking the file in any integrated filebrowser (mimetypes?), for gallery I don't know of any alternative to using tracker for the thumbnails
May 19 13:56:32 <DocScrutinizer05> well, prolly clicking on a .jpg etc should work too
May 19 13:57:16 <DocScrutinizer05> but honestly tracker somewhat 'works' at least for gallery, when configured correctly
May 19 13:58:16 <DocScrutinizer05> for mediaplayer YMMV, it fscks up pretty thoroughly at least when you have same song title in several albums resp storage locations
May 19 14:00:06 * Sicelo thinks tracker is a much lesser evil than the Apple concept. that sucks to the max
May 19 14:11:40 <DocScrutinizer05> spotlight?
May 19 14:12:36 <DocScrutinizer05> or the iOS concept? I'm not fully aware how that works, I guess it has fenced storage areas for each app and you need some "conduits" to access data owned by another app?
May 19 14:33:39 <KotCzarny> fiq: you can just use any other apps instead of tracker hostages
May 19 14:36:29 <ceene> maybe someone here knows how to solve a problem i'm having
May 19 14:36:37 <KotCzarny> ceene: format c:
May 19 14:36:41 <ceene> xilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Up - 100Mbps/Full - flow control rx/tx
May 19 14:36:46 <ceene> xilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Downxilinx_emaclite 40e00000.ethernet eth0: Link is Down
May 19 14:36:51 <ceene> over and over again
May 19 14:36:52 <ceene> first up
May 19 14:36:53 <ceene> then down
May 19 14:36:58 <KotCzarny> autoneg troubles?
May 19 14:37:05 <KotCzarny> try adding switch in between
May 19 14:37:13 <ceene> there's already a switch
May 19 14:37:18 <ceene> and cable is fine and all that
May 19 14:37:34 <ceene> it's a device tree issue, or maybe a hardware issue (hardware that is implemented on an FPGA)
May 19 14:38:48 <KotCzarny> link up/down is handled by PHY part
May 19 14:39:07 <KotCzarny> try setting it to fixed speed?
May 19 14:39:13 <KotCzarny> mii-tool etc
May 19 14:40:42 <ceene> i can try that
May 19 14:40:46 <ceene> i have to compile ethtool first
May 19 14:41:26 <ceene> my phy is a texas instruments' DP83848
May 19 14:41:30 <KotCzarny> try connecting to pc and set the link on the other side (or just disable autoneg)
May 19 14:41:43 <ceene> it has a driver on linux, but it isn't configurable by any parameter on the device tree
May 19 14:41:51 <ceene> so i guess It Should Just Work TM
May 19 14:43:01 <ceene> Cannot get current device settings: Operation not supported
May 19 14:43:01 <ceene>   not setting speed
May 19 14:43:01 <ceene>   not setting duplex
May 19 14:43:03 <ceene> uhm
May 19 14:43:09 <ceene> i guess emaclite doesn't support so many things
May 19 14:45:19 <KotCzarny> you may try moving it somewhere, maybe its e-m noise
May 19 14:45:30 <ceene> no, that's not it
May 19 14:45:40 <ceene> this thing works fine with a different firmware
May 19 14:46:08 <ceene> it's either a matter of linux dts configuration or fpga firmware on which i've done something wrong
May 19 14:46:12 <ceene> but cannot see what :/
May 19 14:48:35 <KotCzarny> http://www.microchip.com/forums/download.axd?file=0;712250&where=&f=dp83848c_pdf.jpg
May 19 14:50:13 <ceene> uhmmmm
May 19 14:50:22 <ceene> maybe i need to tell this thing to work on rmii mode
May 19 14:50:52 <KotCzarny> http://www.microchip.com/forums/m705650.aspx
May 19 14:50:57 <KotCzarny> from this talk
May 19 14:51:08 <KotCzarny> maybe you will get any useful hint
May 19 14:52:59 <ceene> uhmmm nope :(
May 19 14:53:06 <ceene> linux driver takes care of all that by himself
May 19 14:55:17 <KotCzarny> if you have both firmwares sources you can try comparing drivers
May 19 15:01:31 <ceene> i think it's fpga firmware what's wrong
May 19 15:01:37 <ceene> yep
May 19 15:01:39 <ceene> definitely
May 19 15:01:55 <ceene> xilkernel doesn't work for this fpga firmware, but does for a simpler one
May 19 15:02:05 <ceene> so i've done something wrong probably
May 19 15:02:10 <ceene> but what?
May 19 15:07:33 <ceene> tomorrow'll be another day
May 19 15:07:33 <ceene> cya!
May 19 15:07:36 <KotCzarny> bb
May 19 16:48:32 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: I have cssu-testing. That thing was in trackercfg by default. So far it seems this is working. Cpu usage drops to normal almost instantly when i close gallery. Earlier it could stay maxed for hours.
May 19 17:33:57 <char> hello, I would like to compile a modern console xmpp client on my N900. Do you think it's feasible? I installed gcc for maemo and I've also read about tcc as C compilers. However, I'm not sure what kind of programs I should expect to be able to compile and install succesfully. Would you please advise me?
May 19 17:35:35 <char> I tried installing MCabber and would probably try Profanity as well. I thought that console programs were easier to "port" to Maemo, but I'm not very programming-literate
May 19 17:36:32 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not exactly recommended to build on target platform. There's scratchbox SDK for that
May 19 17:36:38 <KotCzarny> depends on lib requirements
May 19 17:36:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sb
May 19 17:36:50 <infobot> well, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
May 19 17:37:06 <KotCzarny> some apps require current libraries to build/run
May 19 17:37:18 <KotCzarny> and maemo is stuck in 2009 mostly
May 19 17:37:45 <char> I will have to look into scratchbox, thanks for mentioning it
May 19 17:38:06 <char> KotCzarny: indeed, but I thought that you can compile them too, right?
May 19 17:38:08 <DocScrutinizer05> building on target (N900) is some fancy exercise for hackers
May 19 17:38:20 <KotCzarny> char, also, old compilers
May 19 17:38:49 <KotCzarny> on device there is 4.2 as newest
May 19 17:38:56 <DocScrutinizer05> you won't succeed unless you go in depth into installing a easydeb chroot environment etc
May 19 17:39:01 <KotCzarny> s/4.2/5.3/
May 19 17:39:02 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: on device there is 5.3 as newest
May 19 17:39:24 <KotCzarny> in scratchbox you have to hack a bit and get 4.7
May 19 17:39:57 <char> I love Maemo and wouldn't want to change it. However, would it be better on the Xubuntu version for the n900?
May 19 17:40:21 <KotCzarny> we are stuck with some binary blobs still
May 19 17:40:41 <KotCzarny> if you dont mind phone part stopping functioning, you can install almost anything
May 19 17:40:55 <char> thanks a lot guys, I learned a lot to think about
May 19 17:41:00 <DocScrutinizer05> when did you start looking into maemo?
May 19 17:41:15 <char> only last year, I'm very late
May 19 17:41:25 <KotCzarny> char, for starters just acquire sb and try
May 19 17:41:35 <KotCzarny> there is a chance things will work out of the box
May 19 17:41:36 <char> I will
May 19 17:41:48 <char> read you later
May 19 17:41:52 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, I can 'smell' some beginners' misconceptions about how stuff is done in maemo land
May 19 17:42:08 <KotCzarny> ~vmsdk
May 19 17:42:13 <KotCzarny> ~sdkvm
May 19 17:42:22 <KotCzarny> ~sbvm
May 19 17:42:27 <KotCzarny> drat. what was the factoid
May 19 17:42:34 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys vm
May 19 17:42:36 <infobot> Factoid search of 'vm' by key (21 of 74): #maemo vmo ;; [vmlinuz] no ;; check_devmode ;; foundation profile cvm ;; kvm ;; linux jvm ;; lvm_tutorial ;; main lvm ;; mean u wan the vm system ;; navman sleeve ;; privmsg ;; pvm ;; pvm gmake ;; pvm++ ;; pvmsync ;; pypvm ;; statuspage [vmlinuz] ;; uvm ;; vm ;; vmd ;; vmusic.
May 19 17:42:38 <DocScrutinizer05> maemo is highly optimized to work for the target platform and the standard usecases, which in case of N900 is a phone
May 19 17:42:56 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys sb
May 19 17:42:58 <DocScrutinizer05> you also are constantly short on RAM in maemo 
May 19 17:42:58 <infobot> Factoid search of 'sb' by key (20 of 345): #maemo sb ;; addressbook ;; airport sbn ;; asbutton ;; cmd: heartsbane (.*?) ;; fsbot ;; grisby ;; itsbruce ;; lsb-fhs ;; nsbd ;; sb ;; sbz ;; solomonsbox ;; uk usb keyboards ;; usb master ;; usb networking ;; usb-host ;; usbrestore ;; uusbd ;; weathercode hattiesburg.
May 19 17:44:06 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys image
May 19 17:44:07 <infobot> Factoid search of 'image' by key (13 of 68): #maemo zimage-fb ;; ? zimage ;; as cd image. this ;; backup d-i images ;; blob binary image ;; bzimage ;; can you "file" both images and see if the format ;; cd images ;; cloning ipaq root image ;; create cd image ;; dzo's images ;; gimp imagemap plug-in ;; great images for your desktop.
May 19 17:44:27 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys vmimage
May 19 17:44:28 <infobot> Factoid search of 'vmimage' by key returned no results.
May 19 17:44:35 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget as cd image. this
May 19 17:44:35 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: i forgot as cd image. this
May 19 17:45:02 <DocScrutinizer05> ~forget can you "file" both images and see if the format
May 19 17:45:03 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05: i forgot can you "file" both images and see if the format
May 19 17:46:32 <KotCzarny> ~listkeys muarf
May 19 17:46:33 <infobot> Factoid search of 'muarf' by key returned no results.
May 19 17:46:46 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues nuarf
May 19 17:46:51 <DocScrutinizer05> ~listvalues muarf
May 19 17:46:51 <infobot> Factoid search of 'nuarf' by value returned no results.
May 19 17:46:52 <infobot> Factoid search of 'muarf' by value (2): tabletsdev ;; #maemo repos.
May 19 17:47:01 <KotCzarny> ~tabletsdev
May 19 17:47:01 <infobot> rumour has it, tabletsdev is http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/  http://wiki.maemo.org/Tabletsdev ,  http://tabletsdev.maemo.org (all defunct, thanks Nokia) or the nice site http://www.fladnag.net/downloads/telephone/n900/tools/, or http://www.mmnt.net/db/0/0/93.81.63.203/repositories/skeiron.org/skeiron.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads, or http://maemo.muarf.org/tablets-dev/maemo_dev_env_downloads/
May 19 17:47:22 <KotCzarny> char: you can get vm image of the scratchbox from the last link
May 19 17:51:26 <freemangordon> :nod:
May 19 17:53:33 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sb
May 19 17:53:34 <infobot> scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
May 19 17:54:33 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB/Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z
May 19 18:04:40 <freemangordon> Sicelo: so, upgrading openssl to the one in cssu-devel has fixed gmail for you?
May 19 18:05:20 <freemangordon> Sicelo: as it is not clear from your post :)
May 19 18:35:01 <KotCzarny> - Server Terminating. Received SIGTERM
May 19 18:35:02 <KotCzarny> lol
May 19 18:59:13 <char> thanks guys, I'm a bit confused though. I'm not sure what I should do with the 1.4GB Maemo Ubuntu Lucid Desktop file. Is it an OS that I can use to test my compiling before I try it on the n900?
May 19 19:01:10 <char> The packages on scratchbox.org don't exceed 50MB
May 19 19:01:38 <char> I don't understand
May 19 19:02:20 <char> DocScrutinizer05: I'm downloading the file you linked
May 19 19:03:08 <KotCzarny> have you e ver used virtualbox or vmware?
May 19 19:03:13 <DocScrutinizer05> char: it's a VM for virtualbox/xen/whatever
May 19 19:03:14 <char> yes
May 19 19:03:24 <KotCzarny> then you know what vm image is
May 19 19:03:27 <KotCzarny> just boot it
May 19 19:03:43 <KotCzarny> it has linux+sb+sdk preinstalled
May 19 19:04:16 <char> oh I see
May 19 19:45:38 <Sicelo> freemangordon: lol .. i thought that version is/was default for thumb/testing?
May 19 19:45:55 <Sicelo> but yes, gmail works for my N900
May 19 19:47:44 <Sicelo> char: which xmpp did you have in mind? irssi had an xmpp plugin last i checked, and we have the latest irssi on N900 already
May 19 19:52:08 <char> Sicelo: anything that could replace Pidgin.. MCabber and Profanity should both be programmed in C, while Poezio is good but coded in Python and it looked less likely to be ported
May 19 19:52:59 <char> does irssi enable OTR encryption?
May 19 19:54:33 <Sicelo> not sure .. you could check ;)
May 19 19:55:00 <Sicelo> we also have relatively good python support (2.5 & 2.7 at least)
May 19 19:55:03 <char> https://github.com/cryptodotis/irssi-otr/ would this work on Maemo?
May 19 19:56:39 <char> Poezio requires Python 3.4 for compiling, but they mention "Pyenv" that could help you install it
May 19 19:58:17 <Sicelo> ah
May 19 19:58:56 <Sicelo> (not saying anything's wrong with doing it your own way .. but what's wrong with pidgin?)
May 19 19:59:03 <char> I really need a XMPP client on my phone, so I think I will commit to this goal. Would you like being kept on the loop Sicelo?
May 19 19:59:56 <Sicelo> yes :)
May 19 20:00:42 <char> Pidgin is good, but it's getting old and compiling new versions (and new OTR plugins) seem harder or less likely than a console client
May 19 20:01:02 <char> less likely to succeed*
May 19 20:01:26 <char> when I have the SB + SDK I will try anything I can
May 19 20:03:07 <char> by the way, these console clients are really good, I even prefer them to Pidgin from time to time
May 19 20:03:59 <Sicelo> of course. /me IRC's from irssi even on N900
May 19 20:05:03 <char> well, I'm glad I found out about irssi on Maemo. I fear compiling its OTR plugin won't be easy but I could try
May 19 20:06:00 <char> MCabber, Profanity, Poezio, Irssi.. I'll get busy soon
May 19 20:13:10 <Sicelo> profanity site doesn't exactly say what the dependencies are
May 19 20:13:19 <char> guess what? I found mcabber 0.9.10-1maemo6 in my application manager. It must be Christmas
May 19 20:13:58 <Sicelo> :)
May 19 20:14:01 <char> but I can't install it because it's missing "gcc-4.2base
May 19 20:14:01 <Sicelo> yes, we have that
May 19 20:15:17 <Sicelo> um .. gcc-4.2-base is in SDK repo
May 19 20:15:59 <Sicelo> dunno if that version of mcabber has OTR
May 19 20:17:02 <char> probably not
May 19 20:17:44 <char> a lot of software I can't install due to this gcc-4.2-base
May 19 20:17:45 <Sicelo> try it and see. maybe you can update it ;)
May 19 20:18:00 <Sicelo> profanity seems easy too 
May 19 20:18:01 <char> I'm looking for the SDK repository
May 19 20:18:35 <Sicelo> be careful of that repo however .. best to disable it after you've installed that gcc you need.
May 19 20:19:16 <Sicelo> it's at the same level as -devel ... mistakes could lead to reflash
May 19 20:20:02 <char> I see.. I'd better try on a virtual machine first
May 19 20:23:37 <bencoh> you can bootstrap a maemo scratchbox/sdk from a vanilla debian and proper repositories if you want
May 19 20:23:44 <bencoh> there is a wiki page about that
May 19 20:25:16 <char> I installed gcc-4.2-base from a .deb file, will see. bencoh, unfortunately I don't understand what that means
May 19 20:28:36 <freemangordon> char: in short: you can install maemo SDK on debian based distro, without going the VM route
May 19 20:29:01 <freemangordon> ~sb
May 19 20:29:07 <freemangordon> ~ping
May 19 20:29:14 <freemangordon> hmm, she
May 19 20:29:18 <freemangordon> 's dead
May 19 20:29:27 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: ^^^
May 19 20:29:43 <DocScrutinizer05> ?
May 19 20:29:47 <freemangordon> ~ping
May 19 20:29:49 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh we had a netsplit
May 19 20:30:02 <DocScrutinizer05> 70s
May 19 20:30:09 <char> freemangordon: thanks, okay..
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May 19 20:30:44 <freemangordon> char: also, if you need newer gcc, see:
May 19 20:30:48 <freemangordon> ~cssu-thumb
May 19 20:31:06 <DocScrutinizer05> caaaaalm!
May 19 20:31:11 <freemangordon> :)
May 19 20:31:47 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, 90s
May 19 20:31:53 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wb
May 19 20:31:53 <infobot> thx
May 19 20:32:03 <freemangordon> ~cssu-thumb
May 19 20:32:04 <infobot> [cssu-thumb] <Doc_Scrutinizer05> [thumb2 microb] indeed seems to render like mad, subjectively, or http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1220597, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb
May 19 20:32:24 <freemangordon> char: that ^^^ one
May 19 20:33:11 <DocScrutinizer05> I suggested ~sb multiple times already
May 19 20:34:56 <DocScrutinizer05> however "the VM route" seems way more convenient
May 19 20:35:20 <freemangordon> yeah
May 19 20:35:29 <char> DocScrutinizer05: I'm still downloading the virtual machine to follow your suggestion
May 19 20:35:51 <char> freemangordon: I'm enabling CSSU
May 19 20:36:32 <DocScrutinizer05> ~cssu
May 19 20:36:33 <infobot> i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
May 19 20:36:34 <freemangordon> char: good, but make sure to read the wiki and understand what is what (-stable, -testing, -thumb, -devel)
May 19 20:36:49 <char> I'll go with stable first
May 19 20:37:01 <char> and will then enable thumb
May 19 20:37:02 <DocScrutinizer05> in short, *-thumb is not recommended for beginners
May 19 20:37:09 <char> okay
May 19 20:37:15 <freemangordon> char: I'd recommend -testing first and then -thumb
May 19 20:37:21 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
May 19 20:37:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ack
May 19 20:37:42 <freemangordon> -stable has not been updated for a while. Which reminds me...
May 19 20:37:47 <char> okay, will skip stable
May 19 20:37:48 <DocScrutinizer05> "testing is the new stable" - as always ;-P
May 19 20:37:53 <freemangordon> merlin1991: ping
May 19 20:38:23 <DocScrutinizer05> seen this in OM, SHR, Freetz, and CSSU
May 19 20:38:47 <DocScrutinizer05> stable eventually bitrots beyond fubar
May 19 20:39:30 <char> gcc-4.2base prevents me from enabling CSSU
May 19 20:39:40 <DocScrutinizer05> errn wut?
May 19 20:39:46 <Sicelo> 22:15 < Sicelo> um .. gcc-4.2-base is in SDK repo
May 19 20:39:56 <freemangordon> char: why is that package needed? for compiling on-device?
May 19 20:40:14 <DocScrutinizer05> please follow the instructions on ~cssu, verbatim
May 19 20:40:35 <char> freemangordon: I think so
May 19 20:40:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I already explained compiling on device is a very poor idea for everybody except leete hackers
May 19 20:41:17 <char> DocScrutinizer05: I'm not ignoring that
May 19 20:41:18 <freemangordon> char: you don;t really want to do that (compile on-device)
May 19 20:41:39 <char> I get this error from the application manager, the GUI
May 19 20:41:46 <freemangordon> char: well, remove that package then and install cssu-testing. I assume your device is freshly-flashed
May 19 20:41:51 <DocScrutinizer05> you got, like, ~100MB "free" RAM for the compiler
May 19 20:42:04 <freemangordon> that much?
May 19 20:42:08 <freemangordon> I doubt :)
May 19 20:42:11 <DocScrutinizer05> hrhrhr
May 19 20:42:18 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm optimistic
May 19 20:42:25 <char> freemangordon: not freshly-flashed.. but I will remove it
May 19 20:42:41 <char> it is still proving missing by the way
May 19 20:42:45 <freemangordon> char: but you flashed it after you bought it, right?
May 19 20:42:47 <DocScrutinizer05> don't forget a df -h
May 19 20:42:58 <char> freemangordon: yes, last year or so
May 19 20:43:01 <freemangordon> ok
May 19 20:43:16 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrflashing
May 19 20:43:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing-jr
May 19 20:43:29 <DocScrutinizer05> damn
May 19 20:43:32 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: iirc HAM checks for the available disk space before upgrading
May 19 20:43:47 <DocScrutinizer05> yeah, and that's pretty fubar too ;-)
May 19 20:44:00 <freemangordon> are you sure? did you look at the code?
May 19 20:44:02 <DocScrutinizer05> until you got the CSSU fixes to that
May 19 20:44:06 <Sicelo> char: i had thought you meant gcc-base was needed for mcabber. have just checked dependencies list, and that's not the case. just to clear any unintended confusion, i am also discouraging you from on-device compiling :)
May 19 20:44:39 <freemangordon> Sicelo: so, you have cssu-devel enabled on your device without even knowing?
May 19 20:45:02 <freemangordon> that's even worse than on-device compiling :p
May 19 20:45:09 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: yes, I'm sure it had a friggin bug in calculating needed vs free space
May 19 20:45:18 <freemangordon> hmm, ok
May 19 20:45:24 <char> apt-get remove gcc-4.2base -> couldn't find package gcc-4.2base
May 19 20:45:43 <freemangordon> char: dpkg -l | grep gcc
May 19 20:45:50 <freemangordon> to find the package name
May 19 20:45:50 <DocScrutinizer05> resulting in "please use PC-suite"
May 19 20:45:51 <Sicelo> freemangordon: i do :p
May 19 20:46:28 <DocScrutinizer05> a) purge
May 19 20:46:37 <char> gcc-4.2, gcc-4.2-base, libgcc1
May 19 20:46:40 <Sicelo> it's just been a while, so i thought this openssl had come with thumb ... 
May 19 20:47:18 <char> I do have it, it's just a dash sign that makes them look different
May 19 20:47:28 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not even sure that stuff will cleanly uninstall
May 19 20:47:30 <freemangordon> char: well,...
May 19 20:47:59 <DocScrutinizer05> after all it's probably hardly ever been tested
May 19 20:48:12 <char> I know what to uninstall, but it will still say it's missing when I try to install something. Right?
May 19 20:48:48 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry folks, afk
May 19 20:49:12 <freemangordon> char: you need gcc to compile, you you remove it, you won;t be able to, but HAM won;t complain as I am not aware of any package in maemo that has dependency to gcc
May 19 20:49:39 <freemangordon> s/you you/if you
May 19 20:49:40 <char> freemangordon: HAM is complaining about it though
May 19 20:50:13 <freemangordon> (23,39,30) char: gcc-4.2base prevents me from enabling CSSU
May 19 20:50:27 <char> it's a HAM operation
May 19 20:50:30 <freemangordon> which means that it will stop complaining once you remove it
May 19 20:50:41 <char> no it says it can't find it
May 19 20:50:50 <freemangordon> you can;t uninstall that from HAM
May 19 20:51:12 <char> it says you it needs that to install stuff, like the CSSU enabler
May 19 20:51:24 <char> and it can't find it so it won't resume the installation process
May 19 20:51:39 <freemangordon> you need to "apt-get remove gcc-4.2 gcc-4.2-base" iiuc
May 19 20:52:06 <char> I'm doing it already
May 19 20:52:19 <char> but it doesn't remove them either :\
May 19 20:52:32 <freemangordon> any error message?
May 19 20:52:51 <char> unmet dependencies
May 19 20:52:53 <Sicelo> dpkg -l | grep gcc* ?
May 19 20:53:45 <freemangordon> char: pastebin please
May 19 20:54:29 <Sicelo> freemangordon: seems mp-fremantle-generic-pr has dependency to gcc-4.2-base 
May 19 20:54:33 <char> sure, let me upload it
May 19 20:54:47 <freemangordon> Sicelo: really?
May 19 20:54:55 <Sicelo> check it
May 19 20:55:23 <freemangordon> well, then only gcc-4.2 needs a removal imo
May 19 20:56:19 <char> http://pastebin.com/Kr1kbRpJ
May 19 20:57:07 <freemangordon> char: and what is the result of "apt-get remove gcc-4.2"?
May 19 20:57:25 <char> in a second
May 19 21:01:25 <char> http://pastebin.com/VGUkF88A
May 19 21:02:45 <freemangordon> char: do you still have SDK repo enabled?
May 19 21:03:11 <char> I didn't enable it
May 19 21:03:17 <freemangordon> well, enable it
May 19 21:03:32 <char> I'm still looking for it
May 19 21:03:40 <freemangordon> char: see http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/g/gcc-4.2/
May 19 21:03:42 <DocScrutinizer05> apt-cache show mp-fremantle-generic-pr|sed "s/,/\n/g"|less +"/gcc-4.2";  FFS
May 19 21:03:49 <freemangordon> the version you need is there
May 19 21:04:17 <Sicelo> i'm just wondering now how other users upgrade :-/
May 19 21:04:37 <Sicelo> isn't this gcc-base supposed to be in one of the standard repos too?
May 19 21:04:43 <freemangordon> Sicelo: seems somehow he managed to downgrade
May 19 21:05:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrrepos
May 19 21:05:11 <infobot> jrrepos is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
May 19 21:06:23 * DocScrutinizer05 wonders which funny prankster introduced a dependency to gcc-4.2-base into mp-fremantle-generic-pr
May 19 21:06:27 <freemangordon> char: or just grab the .deb from there and install it
May 19 21:06:41 <char> it's what I'm doing
May 19 21:06:46 <freemangordon> :)
May 19 21:07:11 <Sicelo> is gcc-base 'bad'? /me doesn't know ... asking genuine question :)
May 19 21:08:14 <Sicelo> i've got it too, but i've never tried to compile on device
May 19 21:08:16 <DocScrutinizer05> I tried to show the files it provides
May 19 21:08:34 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea why it's needed on stock maemo
May 19 21:09:00 <DocScrutinizer05> would be interesting what actually needs it
May 19 21:09:15 <DocScrutinizer05> what what in that pkg is needed
May 19 21:09:21 <DocScrutinizer05> and what*
May 19 21:09:22 <Sicelo> has no files :P
May 19 21:09:24 <Sicelo> lol
May 19 21:09:29 <DocScrutinizer05> rotfl
May 19 21:09:31 <Sicelo> this is crazy
May 19 21:09:50 <DocScrutinizer05> Description: The GNU Compiler Collection (base package)
May 19 21:09:52 <DocScrutinizer05>  This package contains files common to all languages and libraries
May 19 21:09:53 <DocScrutinizer05>  contained in the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC).
May 19 21:10:09 <DocScrutinizer05> Size: 101654
May 19 21:10:12 <Sicelo> but on N900 this is also purged out
May 19 21:10:23 <freemangordon> man pages?
May 19 21:10:30 <Sicelo> there's no actual file from the package available on device :p
May 19 21:10:46 <DocScrutinizer05> so what does it provide? manpages?
May 19 21:10:47 <Sicelo> yes .. docs
May 19 21:10:49 <Sicelo> dpkg -L gcc-4.2-base
May 19 21:11:02 <Sicelo> and of course maemo purges these
May 19 21:11:15 <DocScrutinizer05> ROTFL!!!
May 19 21:11:37 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/copyright
May 19 21:11:39 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/TODO.Debian
May 19 21:11:40 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/README.Debian
May 19 21:11:42 <DocScrutinizer05> /usr/share/doc/gcc-4.2-base/changelog.Debian.gz
May 19 21:12:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and that crap is Size: 101654 ?
May 19 21:12:55 <Sicelo> makes sense ..
May 19 21:13:07 <DocScrutinizer05> not really
May 19 21:13:15 <DocScrutinizer05> way too many bytes
May 19 21:13:33 <char> I still can't enable CSSU enabler due to HAM complaining about the missing gcc-4.2-base which I have installed
May 19 21:13:47 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
May 19 21:13:58 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrrepos
May 19 21:13:58 <infobot> i heard jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/
May 19 21:14:22 <freemangordon> char: did you remove gcc?
May 19 21:14:48 <DocScrutinizer05> one-click install of sane working base repos
May 19 21:15:27 <char> freemangordon: I'm confused now, don't I need it as it is a dependency? I can't uninstall it
May 19 21:15:47 <DocScrutinizer05> no, you need gcc-4.2-base
May 19 21:15:53 <Sicelo> char: gcc & gcc-base are different things
May 19 21:16:05 <freemangordon> :nod:
May 19 21:16:15 <char> and should get rid of "gcc"?
May 19 21:16:18 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 19 21:16:25 <char> let me try
May 19 21:16:36 <DocScrutinizer05> use purge
May 19 21:16:56 <DocScrutinizer05> just in case
May 19 21:17:05 <char> purge gives unmet dependencies error
May 19 21:17:19 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
May 19 21:18:09 <char> I'm trying to install stuff on the vm you linked and it works there
May 19 21:18:29 <DocScrutinizer05> at least this little exercise gives you an idea why building on device isn't recommended ;-)
May 19 21:18:30 <char> removing gcc, again unmet dependencies
May 19 21:18:36 <freemangordon> char: pastebin of apt-get purge error
May 19 21:18:59 <char> DocScrutinizer05: I didn't mean anything like this for sure...
May 19 21:20:11 <Sicelo> i think he didn't go that way. seems to me there's just other problems on his N900 ..
May 19 21:21:06 <char> Sicelo I may indeed have problems
May 19 21:21:39 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, so maybe a combined reflash is prescribed
May 19 21:22:02 <char> apt-get purge -> http://pastebin.com/P53vVGFA
May 19 21:22:10 <char> combined?
May 19 21:22:27 <Sicelo009N> not yet. will be soon though
May 19 21:22:39 <Sicelo009N> ah, sorry, whrong chan
May 19 21:23:04 <DocScrutinizer05> ~flashing-cmdline
May 19 21:23:04 <infobot> well, flashing-cmdline is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12
May 19 21:23:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ~combined
May 19 21:23:11 <infobot> i heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/
May 19 21:23:23 <freemangordon> char: try with apt-get -f install. But make sure to carefully read the output before entering yes :)
May 19 21:23:34 <DocScrutinizer05> ignore the second, it's not needed when you use my cmdline
May 19 21:24:02 <char> DocScrutinizer05: only ~flashing-cmdline will do?
May 19 21:24:11 <DocScrutinizer05> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2016-04-09.log.html#t2016-04-09T01:18:12
May 19 21:24:12 <char> freemangordon: what does that do?
May 19 21:24:15 <freemangordon> char: on which Nokia PR is your device?
May 19 21:24:42 <freemangordon> char: you can check in settings->about
May 19 21:24:50 <Sicelo009N> i'm sure it will
May 19 21:25:13 <Sicelo009N> damn.. sorry about these ECHAN messages :-/
May 19 21:25:57 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: chances are char's device is on PR1.1 or PR1.2 :)
May 19 21:26:20 <DocScrutinizer05> indeed
May 19 21:26:55 <char> Maemo 5 Version:21.2011.38-1
May 19 21:27:05 <DocScrutinizer05> looks good
May 19 21:27:08 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc
May 19 21:27:09 <freemangordon> yep
May 19 21:27:14 <freemangordon> bur: "mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libgcc1 (= 1:4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5) but 1:4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5 is installed"
May 19 21:27:24 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
May 19 21:27:35 <DocScrutinizer05> get decent base repos!!
May 19 21:27:36 <freemangordon> char: you should install latest libgcc as well
May 19 21:27:47 <freemangordon> libgcc1 that is
May 19 21:28:01 <char> what for?
May 19 21:28:03 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: won;t help, as dependencies are alreadyy messed up
May 19 21:28:05 <DocScrutinizer05> nah! go to http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ on device
May 19 21:28:11 <DocScrutinizer05> click recommended
May 19 21:28:20 <char> ok
May 19 21:28:32 <freemangordon> char: "mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libgcc1 (= 1:4.2.1-4maemo13+0m5) but 1:4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5 is installed"
May 19 21:28:34 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: apt-get -f might work
May 19 21:28:37 <freemangordon> yes
May 19 21:28:47 <DocScrutinizer05> when repos are fixed
May 19 21:28:51 <freemangordon> yeah
May 19 21:29:10 <char> DocScrutinizer05: I'll go to your URL, then will get back to you
May 19 21:29:18 <char> hold on a sec
May 19 21:29:21 <freemangordon> anyway, /me is going afk
May 19 21:29:23 <DocScrutinizer05> I might have a beer by then
May 19 21:29:24 <freemangordon> night
May 19 21:29:31 <DocScrutinizer05> n8 freemangordon
May 19 21:29:34 <char> night!
May 19 21:29:54 <char> thanks for your help freemangordon 
May 19 21:30:38 <DocScrutinizer05> char: seems you installed gcc and that pulled in incompatible libs
May 19 21:31:34 <Sicelo>  \o freemangordon 
May 19 21:31:50 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly a apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr might fix things, after you got "my" repos installed
May 19 21:33:09 <DocScrutinizer05> a apt-get -f also is sth you should try
May 19 21:34:07 <char> DocScrutinizer05: I'm adding the repositories
May 19 21:34:07 <DocScrutinizer05> if that doesn't help, *I* would do a combined-only reflash, since I git a decent bm-backup ;-)
May 19 21:34:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ~bm
May 19 21:34:14 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, backupmenu is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
May 19 21:34:32 <char> I don't have a backup
May 19 21:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> you might wait until tomorrow when freemangordon and pali are available again, before you go for full combined reflash
May 19 21:35:23 <char> no cmdline?
May 19 21:35:33 <DocScrutinizer05> hm?
May 19 21:36:03 <DocScrutinizer05> no, wait until freemangordon is back
May 19 21:36:05 <char> <DocScrutinizer05> ignore the second, it's not needed when you use my cmdline
May 19 21:36:49 <DocScrutinizer05> flashing combined is supposed to be considerably safe and not lose your data and config, but...
May 19 21:37:07 <DocScrutinizer05> you never know
May 19 21:37:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you could install BM and do a decent backup, then you can reflash all you like, since restoring is a matter of minutes
May 19 21:38:26 <DocScrutinizer05> but first, see if apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr  does the trick
May 19 21:38:56 <DocScrutinizer05> should work after you enabled the working repos
May 19 21:39:48 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm afk, for a beer out
May 19 21:39:53 <char> okay
May 19 21:40:01 <char> I'll have to wait for repos updates
May 19 21:40:04 <DocScrutinizer05> in case of "emergencies" highlight DocScrutinizer51
May 19 21:40:17 <char> sure ;) thanks
May 19 21:47:00 <char> apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr -> unmet dependencies
May 19 21:47:35 <Sicelo> -f ?
May 19 21:48:37 <char> I've just launched HAM lol.. will wait for it open to close it and try -f
May 19 21:50:50 <char> rebootin ...
May 19 21:52:22 <Sicelo009N> yes. sad
May 19 21:54:23 <char> using any other phone today would be sadder
May 19 21:54:31 <char> almost up
May 19 21:56:46 <char> -f won't fix the unmet dependencies problem
May 19 21:57:07 <char> apt-get -f install?
May 19 21:57:54 <Sicelo009N> you're in dependency hell .. sorry :)
May 19 22:02:16 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/62586594
May 19 22:04:45 <char> should I install libgcc1?
May 19 22:05:20 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe the right version, yes
May 19 22:05:39 <char> apt-get install libgcc1 as per usual -> unmet dependencies
May 19 22:06:01 * Sicelo checks char's paste agan
May 19 22:07:19 <char> well, if I can still find all the programs I currently use and restore phonebook and SMSes I think flashing it could be a solution
May 19 22:07:36 <char> I would enable CSSU right away, update everything and see
May 19 22:07:44 <char> I have never used CSSU in my life
May 19 22:07:55 <char> and it's 2016 lol
May 19 22:08:32 <char> maybe Pidgin would get updated as well, who knows
May 19 22:08:56 <char> I'm pretty sure the OTR plugin would be a nightmare to install as it was last year but I had found a guide
May 19 22:08:58 <Sicelo> lastest version for N900 is 2.10.11-0maemo1
May 19 22:09:08 <DocScrutinizer05> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/tmp/apt-cache-policies.txt
May 19 22:10:05 <char> DocScrutinizer05: I give up
May 19 22:10:07 <DocScrutinizer05> install backupmenu!
May 19 22:10:40 <DocScrutinizer05> make a backup
May 19 22:10:44 <char> what can I do with it? I only have a few hundred megabytes free for backing up on my phone
May 19 22:11:07 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, that's a little low
May 19 22:11:13 <char> I mean, I have 20GBs of Wikipedia dumps
May 19 22:11:45 <Sicelo> char: n900 stock backup will allow you to save just your phonebook in case you want to reflash
May 19 22:11:48 <DocScrutinizer05> don't you have a uSD card for the backups?
May 19 22:12:08 <char> apparently my n900 doesn't read SD cards
May 19 22:12:16 <DocScrutinizer05> o.O
May 19 22:12:21 <DocScrutinizer05> magnet missing?
May 19 22:12:29 <char> magnet is there..
May 19 22:12:29 <Sicelo> my 2nd N900 also doesn't  :(
May 19 22:13:17 <char> I have no idea why that is
May 19 22:13:38 <char> regardless the filesystem I format them with, none of them is recognized
May 19 22:14:02 <Sicelo> does dmesg at least 'see' it
May 19 22:14:44 <DocScrutinizer05> cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch
May 19 22:15:40 <char> if you're curious to know I will disassemble it and put an SD card. Please, endure my English if I use weird words
May 19 22:15:46 <DocScrutinizer05> cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch
May 19 22:16:45 <Sicelo009N> DocScrutinizer05: on mine always 'open'
May 19 22:17:09 <DocScrutinizer05> either your magnet or the hall sensor is broken/missing then
May 19 22:17:15 <Sicelo009N> magnet is in place, and the cover works fine on my other N900 .. 
May 19 22:17:24 <Sicelo009N> yes, sensor must be borked 
May 19 22:17:36 <char> always open
May 19 22:17:42 <char> but the magnet is there
May 19 22:17:43 <DocScrutinizer05> see ^^
May 19 22:18:04 <Sicelo009N> i came to terms with it :)
May 19 22:18:08 <DocScrutinizer05> try another magnet while    watch cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch
May 19 22:18:24 <char> another magnet?
May 19 22:18:33 <char> yeah I do have a fridge
May 19 22:18:37 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, an arbitrary other magnet
May 19 22:18:45 <Sicelo009N> i bought this N900 for like 15USD .. so didn't complain too much
May 19 22:19:00 <DocScrutinizer05> remove battery cover, move the magnet around the camera
May 19 22:20:11 <char> always open
May 19 22:20:19 <DocScrutinizer05> :´(
May 19 22:20:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I wonder what kills all those hall sensors
May 19 22:21:07 <Sicelo009N> char: you bought your N900 used? any signs it was ever opened?
May 19 22:21:43 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway o/
May 19 22:21:45 <Sicelo009N> DocScrutinizer05: mine had been worked on by bad technician in its previous life .. probably bumped the sensour out or something
May 19 22:21:46 <char> Sicelo009N: yes it was used and from what I can see it wasn't opened around the chassis
May 19 22:22:25 <char> dead sensor -> no SD support
May 19 22:22:29 <char> nice :(
May 19 22:22:48 <char> I like the auto mount/unmount idea. Can we get rid of it? :P
May 19 22:23:17 <Sicelo009N> yes .. hack the kernel module .. someone did it here .. forgot who
May 19 22:23:21 <Sicelo009N> check tmo
May 19 22:24:20 <Sicelo009N> g'nite
May 19 22:24:28 <DocScrutinizer05> https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1457369#post1457369
May 19 22:25:14 <DocScrutinizer05> char: you're a candidate for a full clean restart and a customized careful system config
May 19 22:26:02 <DocScrutinizer05> get some free space on your eMMC (aka MyDocs) install BM, do a backup, then do a full backkup of MyDocs to your PC via USB
May 19 22:28:49 <char> goodnight Sicelo!
May 19 22:29:28 <DocScrutinizer05> o/
May 19 22:32:02 <char> DocScrutinizer05: MyDocs is almost completely full
May 19 22:32:33 <char> how much space do you think I need?
May 19 22:32:40 <char> 1GB ?
May 19 22:34:06 <DocScrutinizer05> char: to start with, you could try to mv /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko_ORIGINAL, then download https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/13580235b433268f57ca/raw/bbfb5769f2937b485dfea5145f4db8f279ec8906/omap_hsmmc.ko and rename/mv it to /lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko
May 19 22:34:18 <DocScrutinizer05> 1GB is plenty
May 19 22:34:44 <char> is this for the SD card?
May 19 22:34:57 <char> do you think I should backup the system first?
May 19 22:35:19 <DocScrutinizer05> (/lib/modules/current/omap_hsmmc.ko) then reboot with a uSD inserted and see if cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch shows 'closed' and you can access the uSD
May 19 22:36:52 <DocScrutinizer05> when you're careful, you *probably* are safe with the omap_hsmmc.ko, you however could face a bootloop where kernel segfaults because of the module. Then you damn sure want a backup
May 19 22:37:53 <DocScrutinizer05> you *could* try modprobe -r omap_hsmmc; then replace the file, then modprobe omap_hsmmc and see if it throws errors
May 19 22:38:36 <DocScrutinizer05> if it looks good, you already can check cat /sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch
May 19 22:39:28 <DocScrutinizer05> if modprobe omap_hsmmc  throws any errors, you better restore the original file back into place
May 19 22:41:27 <DocScrutinizer05> also see man modprobe, you might try modprobe -f omap_hsmmc to override symbol incompatibilities
May 19 22:43:01 <DocScrutinizer05> wait!
May 19 22:45:15 <DocScrutinizer05> download the file to ~user, name it omap_hsmmc.ko, then for loading the module use:  modprobe -vnfd ~user omap_hsmmc
May 19 22:45:35 <char> okay, so backupmenu first
May 19 22:45:49 <DocScrutinizer05> if that looks good, actually do it:   modprobe -fd ~user omap_hsmmc
May 19 22:46:32 <DocScrutinizer05> this is safe since you don't mess with the original module, so even when your kernel OOPSes, everything will be fine abfter the inevitable reboot
May 19 22:46:57 <char> of course I can't install backupmenu either
May 19 22:47:13 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I suggested the above approach
May 19 22:47:31 <DocScrutinizer05> you won't need a backup hopefully
May 19 22:47:42 <DocScrutinizer05> it *should* be perfectly safe
May 19 22:47:59 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not giving any warranty though
May 19 22:48:07 <char> even if the risk is slow I will avoid this, I'm too noob to risk this
May 19 22:48:35 <char> I think I'd rather backup documents and MyDocs content, then reflash and reinstall with caution
May 19 22:48:47 <DocScrutinizer05> you're not changing anything in your system since you load the module from a place where the system never will look at by itself
May 19 22:49:08 <char> ok
May 19 22:49:14 <DocScrutinizer05> so next boot will be exactly like last boot, no matter what you did with modprobe
May 19 22:49:51 <DocScrutinizer05> but first see if you even can unload the module with modprobe -r omap_hsmmc
May 19 22:50:12 <DocScrutinizer05> if that's not working, you don't even need to start with the next steps
May 19 22:50:58 <DocScrutinizer05> modprobe -r omap_hsmmc is definitely safe
May 19 22:51:21 <DocScrutinizer05> I owe you 3 beers if not ;-)
May 19 22:51:51 <DocScrutinizer05> did you already try?
May 19 22:52:02 <DocScrutinizer05> char: ^^^
May 19 22:53:23 <char> sorry, I was trying to locate the stuff to backup from MyDocs
May 19 22:53:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I suggest you bulk copy complete Mydocs to your PC
May 19 22:54:03 <char> that's okay
May 19 22:54:07 <DocScrutinizer05> if you got a free 28GB there
May 19 22:54:18 <DocScrutinizer05> modprobe -r is ok?
May 19 22:54:47 <DocScrutinizer05> or was that to something else?
May 19 22:55:36 <char> bulk copying is ok ;)
May 19 22:55:44 <DocScrutinizer05> wait!
May 19 22:56:02 <DocScrutinizer05> I just rebooted my device with modprobe -r ;-D
May 19 22:56:48 <char> I will just copy everything in MyDocs to my computer
May 19 22:56:49 <DocScrutinizer05> if you don't mind a reboot, you still can try if it works for you, since you're supposed to have no mounted uSD
May 19 22:58:26 <char> DocScrutinizer05: it's rather hard for me to keep up with what you're explaining, let me backup everything first. I'm going to need it whether I reflash it and swap the module or tweak the existing installation
May 19 22:58:28 <DocScrutinizer05> if  modprobe -r omap_hsmmc works and a lsmod doesn't show omap_hsmmc any more, download the file and try the    modprobe -vnfd ~user omap_hsmmc   which is still dryrun and shouldn't cause _anything_ except diagnotic output
May 19 22:58:52 <kerio> ooh is that a replacement omap_hsmmc that pretend that the cover is always on
May 19 22:58:59 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 19 22:59:05 <kerio> i probably want that
May 19 22:59:09 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
May 19 22:59:10 <kerio> since my swap is on usd
May 19 23:00:22 <DocScrutinizer05> and I'm out for a beer now, kerio could you help char a bit through that enterprise?
May 19 23:00:35 <kerio> dude wtf it's 1am
May 19 23:00:38 <kerio> i'm about to go to sleep
May 19 23:00:43 <DocScrutinizer05> :-D
May 19 23:00:45 <kerio> why are you going out for a beer
May 19 23:01:03 <DocScrutinizer05> because it tastes better when I nag the bartender ;-)
May 19 23:01:04 <kerio> on a thursday, even
May 19 23:01:14 <kerio> i mean, technically it's friday now
May 19 23:01:28 <kerio> but that's not what normal people mean when they say they're going out friday night
May 19 23:08:49 <DocScrutinizer05> plus I just saved 3 beer I'd otherwise owned char when I hadn't tested modprobe -r omap_hsmmc ;-) I will consume those now :-)
May 19 23:10:15 <char> man, it's taking ages and I'm about to fall asleep in front of the screen
May 19 23:10:35 <char> I'm saving everything we wrote
May 19 23:10:46 <char> will resume soon :\
May 19 23:11:09 <char> thanks everybody for all the great support
May 19 23:11:20 <char> goodnight *_*
May 19 23:19:47 <DocScrutinizer51> m8
May 19 23:20:01 <DocScrutinizer51> n8 even
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