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May 25 13:31:44 <ceene> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/05/microsoft-bangs-the-final-nail-in-nokia-devices-coffin-fires-the-last-1850-workers/
May 25 13:32:05 <KotCzarny> :)
May 25 13:32:12 <ceene> great plan that of MS
May 25 13:32:25 <KotCzarny> they only needed IP (patents)
May 25 13:32:34 <KotCzarny> and they got it almost free
May 25 13:32:52 <ceene> nokia hardware designers were fucking brilliant
May 25 13:33:12 <KotCzarny> well, crazy too
May 25 13:34:30 <ceene> in other news, ahycka and i may be fired today
May 25 13:34:39 <ceene> we'd have lots of free time to work on yappari and neo900
May 25 13:35:34 <KotCzarny> is it beer related?
May 25 13:35:39 <ceene> lol
May 25 13:35:40 <ceene> nope
May 25 13:35:41 <ahycka> no xD
May 25 13:35:57 <ceene> it's related to being assigned a project to be done in one month when our stimates are or at least 6 months
May 25 13:36:27 <ceene> so, odds are they try to make as work on august, which is the complete opposite of our contract as employees here
May 25 13:36:35 <ceene> s/as/us/
May 25 13:36:35 <infobot> ceene meant: so, odds are they try to make us work on august, which is the complete opposite of our contract as employees here
May 25 13:36:40 <ahycka> but, they live in another universe with 48h per day, 60days per months and 30 months per year
May 25 13:36:57 <ceene> so, if that happens, we'll have to say "screw you and your alternate universe"
May 25 13:37:28 <ahycka> ceene you must relax before the meeting
May 25 13:37:34 <ahycka> play tetris!
May 25 13:37:35 <ceene> funny thing is the company has like 9 employees (3 of them which have been contracted this week)
May 25 13:37:46 <ahycka> 9?
May 25 13:37:56 <ceene> so, if the only two guys that do the real work (ahycka the PCB and myself the embedded programming) go away
May 25 13:37:57 <ahycka> last year we were 4 xD
May 25 13:38:04 <ceene> the full company will fall down in a matter of minutes, really
May 25 13:38:31 <ahycka> nooo ceene, our job is very easy
May 25 13:38:37 <ceene> JC, JB, JP, Nacho, Parraga, you, me, new Alvaro, Simon and the hamradio guy
May 25 13:38:41 <ahycka> it can be done buy a monkey
May 25 13:38:42 <ceene> we're like 10 guys
May 25 13:38:52 <ceene> only ahycka and me do the products...
May 25 13:39:08 <KotCzarny> lol
May 25 13:39:16 <ahycka> s/buy/by
May 25 13:39:23 <ceene> you're missing a final /
May 25 13:39:27 <ahycka> s/buy/by/
May 25 13:39:28 <infobot> ahycka meant: s/by/by
May 25 13:39:31 <ceene> lol
May 25 13:39:32 <ahycka> hahahahahaha
May 25 13:39:37 <KotCzarny> maybe they got bought
May 25 13:39:50 <ceene> oh, no, but they think they've got a contract with a big company
May 25 13:39:57 <ceene> that's the project to do on 1 month
May 25 13:40:06 <ceene> i say "think" because they haven't signed anything yet
May 25 13:40:13 <ceene> but he's still contracted 3 new people to help work on that
May 25 13:40:49 <ahycka> without money xD
May 25 13:40:59 <ceene> of course they'll only be doing the things that can, more or less, be done in one month
May 25 13:40:59 <ahycka> hmm, 3months holidays loooooooool
May 25 13:41:07 <KotCzarny> or the whole thing is a scam and your boss is going to run away with moneys ;)
May 25 13:41:30 <ahycka> nah, my boss is stupid
May 25 13:41:38 <ceene> our part of the job, which requires a 12 layer PCB with an FPGA, DDR chip, a couple of ADCs, etc... and the firmware to load on that FPGA, of course has to be done on one month too...
May 25 13:41:58 <ahycka> and its the biggest part of the project
May 25 13:41:59 <ahycka> so
May 25 13:42:01 <ahycka> no product
May 25 13:42:03 <ahycka> no money
May 25 13:42:08 <ahycka> no company
May 25 13:42:12 <ahycka> holidays!!!!!
May 25 13:42:17 <ceene> just the time that manufacturing that PCB takes is almost beyond the 4 weeks timespan we've got for that
May 25 13:42:42 <ceene> so we've redacted a couple of pages with a realistic timeline and we'll see what happens
May 25 13:42:58 <ahycka> holidays!!!!
May 25 13:43:00 <ceene> last time i had a conversation with our boss about pcb design timing he just told me to "let's work harder then!"
May 25 13:43:07 <ceene> so...
May 25 13:43:13 <ceene> it isn't look very good now
May 25 13:43:14 <KotCzarny> well, usually being first to the market is better
May 25 13:43:30 <KotCzarny> who knows, there might be some plan in that madness
May 25 13:43:35 <ceene> lol
May 25 13:43:37 <ceene> there isn't :)
May 25 13:43:38 <ahycka> looooool
May 25 13:43:52 <ceene> we don't do consumer electronics
May 25 13:43:59 <ahycka> nope
May 25 13:44:03 <ceene> and this is a special project managed by the european space agency
May 25 13:44:11 <ceene> already assigned to the bigger company we have the contract with
May 25 13:44:29 <ceene> so, really, unless someone has been smoking crack, there's no fucking way to do this
May 25 13:45:23 <ahycka> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7My0m7WSGlY
May 25 13:45:39 <ceene> :D
May 25 13:46:07 <ahycka> i need lisa's pills
May 25 13:46:07 <ahycka> xD
May 25 15:49:46 <ceene> well, we're still employed
May 25 15:49:57 <ceene> at least until the company completely goes broke
May 25 15:52:08 <KotCzarny> :)
May 25 15:54:55 <Sicelo> ceene: i hope that doesn't happen though, lol .. or you're about to start your own company?
May 25 15:55:47 <ceene> we'd be happy to work here forever, as long as they respect our working conditions and our work in itself
May 25 15:56:01 <ceene> but more often than not, they forget about at least one of them...
May 25 15:56:21 <ceene> bad news is Yappari will have to wait till the weekend
May 25 15:56:30 <ceene> good news though is that some other guy from tmo has offered me his phone
May 25 15:56:38 <ceene> there's a lot of good people in this community :)
May 25 15:57:29 <Sicelo> i need yappari badly, lol ... but work comes first :)
May 25 15:59:19 <ceene> sorry, man :)
May 25 16:03:17 <KotCzarny> :)
May 25 16:03:34 <KotCzarny> ceene - the biggest number banner in the world
May 25 16:03:35 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 25 16:03:43 <ceene> :D
May 25 16:04:00 <KotCzarny> well, in WA world at least
May 25 16:17:38 <DocScrutinizer51> ceene: not even smoking crack helps to make a 12layer in 4 weeks, heck you won't get the PCB from PCBmanuf next 4 weeks even when you order it today
May 25 16:22:42 <KotCzarny> page_fault_in_nonpaged_area
May 25 16:22:46 <KotCzarny> gotta love windows
May 25 16:29:37 <Sicelo> :)
May 25 16:30:00 <Sicelo> why you trying to open pages having reached the end of the book, haha
May 25 16:36:31 <KotCzarny> mine is still 'in transit'
May 25 16:37:26 <KotCzarny> um, wrong chan
May 25 16:39:28 <DocScrutinizer51> ceene: it's a tad worrying when ESA has such poorly managed projects
May 25 16:53:01 <Vajb> ha! LMD: 3300mah
May 25 16:56:49 <Vajb> KotCzarny: my friend got goog one with windows ME. "windows is repairing registry. Windows can not find registry"
May 25 16:57:02 <KotCzarny> :)
May 25 16:57:35 <KotCzarny> my favourite is: Error: no error
May 25 16:57:52 <KotCzarny> or in another iteration: Error: operation completed successfully
May 25 16:58:23 <KotCzarny> offtopic: using oscp on windoze in cygwin shell via ssh to play nfs mounted files
May 25 16:58:47 <KotCzarny> doing things not the windoze way. checked!
May 25 16:58:59 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: how "upstream" is cygwin?
May 25 16:59:19 <KotCzarny> fmg: i dont understand that question
May 25 16:59:36 <freemangordon> as I am planning to use it to do some rsync over ssh, so I wonder about the security
May 25 17:00:14 <KotCzarny> hard to say, but its updated and maintained, so i guess cygwin is as good as it can be assuming different worlds and apis
May 25 17:00:17 <freemangordon> well, how in sync is cygwin with upstream version s of th epackages
May 25 17:00:31 <KotCzarny> rsync works nicely on windoze
May 25 17:00:39 <freemangordon> I know :)
May 25 17:00:56 <freemangordon> already tested it, now we're in process of making the final product
May 25 17:01:25 <KotCzarny> 3.1.2-1
May 25 17:01:35 <freemangordon> what is it?
May 25 17:01:44 <KotCzarny> rsync version available
May 25 17:01:57 <KotCzarny> so i say its quite upstream
May 25 17:02:01 <freemangordon> well, I am more worried about openssh
May 25 17:02:15 <KotCzarny> 7.2p2-1
May 25 17:02:16 <freemangordon> as rsync runs over ssh tunnel with public key auth
May 25 17:02:58 <freemangordon> hmm...
May 25 17:03:01 <KotCzarny>   |> metallica-EnterSandman.mp3
May 25 17:03:18 <freemangordon> good :)
May 25 17:03:20 <freemangordon> OpenSSH_6.6.1p1 Ubuntu-2ubuntu2.7
May 25 17:03:23 <KotCzarny> hehe
May 25 17:03:44 * KotCzarny turns up the volume and goes back to shooting aliens
May 25 17:06:07 <Venemo_j> freemangordon: what's up with your effort to make linux 4.x workable on N900?
May 25 17:06:30 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: well, it works :)
May 25 17:07:32 <freemangordon> we have everything, but cameras SGX and DSP driver upstreamed (unless I miss something), with cameras send as RFC on linux-media ML
May 25 17:08:02 <freemangordon> ~fptf
May 25 17:08:03 <infobot> rumour has it, fptf is the Fremantle Porting Task Force, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91308
May 25 17:08:15 <Venemo_j> cool
May 25 17:08:34 <Venemo_j> does hardware graphics acceleration work?
May 25 17:08:35 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1503893&postcount=159 and the following post
May 25 17:08:43 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: yes, with maemo
May 25 17:09:37 <Venemo_j> yup, I saw that post
May 25 17:09:42 <Venemo_j> very nice work!
May 25 17:10:07 <freemangordon> well, since then we put IRTX driver in shape, I expect it in 4.7
May 25 17:10:25 <Venemo_j> why just with maemo? how about any other OS?
May 25 17:10:44 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: because this is what I use
May 25 17:10:47 <freemangordon> :)
May 25 17:11:38 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: but I don;t see any problem with other OSes running as well, besides HW accell
May 25 17:11:57 <freemangordon> though this should be achievable as well IMO
May 25 17:12:03 <KotCzarny> fmg: we also dont have pvr driver!
May 25 17:12:04 <KotCzarny> ;)
May 25 17:12:15 <Venemo_j> why wouldn't the hw accel work with other oses?
May 25 17:12:17 <freemangordon> KotCzarny: SGX == PVR ;)
May 25 17:12:30 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: missing userspace drivers
May 25 17:12:41 <Venemo_j> doesn't ti offer some binaries?
May 25 17:12:48 <KotCzarny> ahm, you didnt use ','
May 25 17:12:57 <KotCzarny> thought its some special camera mode ;)
May 25 17:13:16 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: yes, but I've never played with it, so have no idea if they work
May 25 17:13:46 <Venemo_j> will just have to see for myself someday
May 25 17:14:43 <freemangordon> yeah, please share the result when and if you do it
May 25 17:14:47 <Sicelo> Wizzup is using some other OS .. forgot which .. maybe he's tried that too
May 25 17:15:31 <freemangordon> there is some networking distro on TMO as well, never tried it
May 25 17:15:58 <Venemo_j> networking distro?
May 25 17:15:59 <freemangordon> also, DocScrutinizer05 said that devuan guys are going to make n900 image
May 25 17:16:29 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: yep, something with "rolling" in its name :D
May 25 17:16:46 <Venemo_j> ah.
May 25 17:16:53 <freemangordon> hmm, Iguess it is Kali linux
May 25 17:17:35 <freemangordon> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=96573
May 25 17:18:36 <Venemo_j> interesting
May 25 17:20:34 <Venemo_j> and freemangordon, how does your 4.6 fare with regards to power management?
May 25 17:21:17 <freemangordon> still problems, but OMAP maintainer(tmlind) has posted some patches lately
May 25 17:21:44 <freemangordon> he said the last one is musb, though I doubt a bit :)
May 25 17:21:59 <Venemo_j> musb=?
May 25 17:22:06 <freemangordon> usb controller
May 25 17:22:52 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg139978.html
May 25 17:23:14 <Venemo_j> ah, cool
May 25 17:23:24 <freemangordon> hmm, wait, this is the old series
May 25 17:23:41 <Venemo_j> it's a bit suprising to see that there is still activity on such an old chip
May 25 17:24:11 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: that one http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-usb/msg140687.html
May 25 17:24:50 <freemangordon> hmm, which reminds me I have to find time to test it
May 25 17:25:16 <Venemo_j> cool stuff
May 25 17:25:19 * freemangordon is going afk, bbl
May 25 17:25:25 <Venemo_j> thanks for showing me freemangordon :)
May 25 17:25:30 <freemangordon> np :)
May 25 18:04:12 <Pali> hi! what is state of new CSSU??
May 25 18:10:51 <Sicelo> no new CSSU :)
May 25 18:10:55 <Sicelo> or there is?
May 25 18:11:19 <Pali> there are couple of updated packages on github since last CSSU-T and also CSSU-S
May 25 18:15:25 <Vajb> there is new thumb version atleast
May 25 18:21:43 <Venemo_j> what exactly was the problem with thumb on the n900 anyway?
May 25 18:21:53 <Venemo_j> all I remember is that it was broken
May 25 18:28:17 <Vajb> there was two bugs in hw, but they got fixed by sw. At least that's how i understood it. Look for CSSU-Thumb from maemo.org
May 25 18:29:33 <Venemo_j> I saw it on the wiki
May 25 18:29:39 <Venemo_j> but it didn't say
May 25 18:42:13 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: read the cssu-thumb thread on TMO
May 25 18:45:46 <DocScrutinizer51> or simply assume Vajb is right, though the fix was complicated and on kernel level
May 25 18:46:38 <Venemo_j> freemangordon: okay
May 25 18:46:58 <Venemo_j> is the fix upstream?
May 25 18:47:14 <Venemo_j> in other words, is it includes in your 4.6? :)
May 25 18:47:25 <Venemo_j> s/includes/included
May 25 18:48:36 <DocScrutinizer51> I think it would be cruft for generic kernels
May 25 18:49:22 <DocScrutinizer51> it's fixing a very specific bug in just one particular SoC
May 25 18:50:59 <luke-jr> one of the fixes was linker-level IIRC?
May 25 18:54:55 <freemangordon> Venemo_j: yes. 
May 25 18:55:03 <freemangordon> luke-jr: :nod:
May 25 18:57:02 <Venemo_j> awesome
May 25 19:22:06 <freemangordon> yet another piece of the puzzle is going to be fit in place :) https://lkml.org/lkml/2016/5/25/335
May 25 19:51:49 <Wizzup> Sicelo: yeah, but I don't use it regularly yet
May 25 22:33:06 <DocScrutinizer51> freemangordon: any proper readme on ASoC explaining what exactly they talk abougt with 'sidetone'?
May 25 22:34:21 <DocScrutinizer51> I think ASoC people pretty much live in their own univertse which is largely unentangled with rest of the world
May 25 22:34:47 <ds3> what about sidetone?
May 25 22:35:29 <DocScrutinizer51> sidetone in my book is a term from phone specific mixer settings, unrelated to OMAP
May 25 22:36:11 <DocScrutinizer51> aiui it means a audio path from mic to earpiece
May 25 22:36:52 <DocScrutinizer51> same class like e.g. comfort noise
May 25 22:37:31 <ds3> okay.. the OMAP can do that in HW
May 25 22:37:46 <DocScrutinizer51> uhuh
May 25 22:38:03 <ds3> the McBSP has features to do that
May 25 22:38:15 <DocScrutinizer51> duh!
May 25 22:39:20 <ds3> ???
May 25 22:39:55 <DocScrutinizer51> didnt know
May 25 22:40:39 <Sicelo> sorry to brge in with unrelated question .. i read on wiki that dbus-monitor may be power hungry? if i need to keep track of a dbus signal continuously, what's best way to do that?
May 25 22:40:45 <Sicelo> *barge
May 25 22:41:18 <ds3> the McBSP is a wonderful IP block
May 25 22:41:44 <kerio> is it a BSP from mcdonalds?
May 25 22:43:51 <DocScrutinizer51> Sicelo: dbus-monitor should not be too power hungry
May 25 22:45:17 <Sicelo> ah, that helps :)
May 25 22:46:53 <bencoh> strace it to make sure .... it waits nicely for a syscall to return
May 25 23:03:39 <DocScrutinizer51> sure
May 25 23:03:47 <DocScrutinizer51> of course
May 25 23:04:25 <DocScrutinizer51> it's just not optimized to filer out only the interesting msgs/signals
May 25 23:04:38 <DocScrutinizer51> filter*
May 25 23:05:33 <DocScrutinizer51> but f course it sleeps as long as no traffic on dbus
May 25 23:06:43 <DocScrutinizer51> if you want sth a tad more optimized, check dbus-scripting package
May 25 23:07:06 <DocScrutinizer51> *very* convenient
May 25 23:08:07 <DocScrutinizer51> ds3: thanks for the info
May 25 23:09:12 <DocScrutinizer51> ~mcbsp
May 25 23:09:24 <DocScrutinizer51> thought as much
May 25 23:09:35 <DocScrutinizer51> ~ping
May 25 23:09:36 <infobot> ~pong
May 25 23:10:24 <DocScrutinizer51> Multi Channel Bogus Synonym pingo
May 25 23:11:02 <Sicelo> aha. will look at that too. thanks for hint
May 25 23:11:09 <DocScrutinizer51> Serial Protocol?
May 25 23:11:45 <DocScrutinizer51> multi chan buffered serial prot?
May 25 23:12:46 <DocScrutinizer51> bidcir?
May 25 23:12:57 <DocScrutinizer51> BiDir even
May 25 23:13:31 <DocScrutinizer51> meh, whatever
May 25 23:14:57 <ds3> MultiChannel Buffered Serial Port
May 25 23:18:52 <DocScrutinizer51> ta
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