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Jun 03 02:59:59 <Oksana> And I agree that partially torn flex ribbon (which disables light-sensor and front-cam) is more of a concern than WiFi connection (especially when WiFi settings are power-saving)
Jun 03 03:00:26 <DocScrutinizer05> 3G network possibly informs the modem of 2G alternatives, but 2G for sure doesn't inform about 3G alternatives
Jun 03 03:01:12 <DocScrutinizer05> you should get a new flex
Jun 03 03:01:55 <Oksana> When 2G is not available, assume that 3G is available and try to switch to 3G? And yes, there are probably reasonable protocol limitations which make Dual prefer to use 3G when possible
Jun 03 03:02:12 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jun 03 03:02:12 <Oksana> Flex is easy, destroyed screw hats are being difficult
Jun 03 03:02:19 <DocScrutinizer05> ouch
Jun 03 03:03:54 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway the 2G/3G selector app works fine, though only manually. You prolly easily could augment it
Jun 03 03:04:28 <Oksana> And local makerspace is afraid to bear responsibility in case of attempt to drill them out, so they tell me to try a professional phone repairer. Which is troublesome. Phone repairer would be likely to say "leave device with me for days, I will do everything, you will pay" and then say "take your device back, water-damage-or-something, I am not repairing that"
Jun 03 03:04:37 <DocScrutinizer05> no idea how to make it switch 3G->2G though, except for periodic trying
Jun 03 03:05:15 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jun 03 03:07:01 <DocScrutinizer05> get a straw that exactly fits into the holes, then insert and cut to protect the walls, and glue a rod to the screw head with really strong elastic glue, like Pattex 100% repair gel
Jun 03 03:08:19 <DocScrutinizer05> http://www.pattex.de/do-it-yourself-mit-pattex-klebstoffe-produkte-new/pattex-klebstoffe/reparaturkleber/100percent-repair-gel.html
Jun 03 03:10:14 <DocScrutinizer05> N-(3-(Trimethoxysilyl)propyl)ethylendiamin
Jun 03 03:11:02 <DocScrutinizer05> worst case you still can drill
Jun 03 04:29:06 <Vajb> i had pattex contact adhesive once and it was worst i've had :/
Jun 03 04:32:38 <Vajb> btw is there polar flow app clone for maemo? I did quick googling and couldn't find much.
Jun 03 04:33:29 <Vajb> there is android app which is showing some info from device via bluetooth so i thought it could have some implementations on maemo
Jun 03 04:33:36 <DocScrutinizer05> pattex contact is a completely different gue
Jun 03 04:34:09 <Vajb> DocScrutinizer05: yes i know. Just stated my worthless opinion of trade mark overall :)
Jun 03 04:35:08 <DocScrutinizer05> contact glue is per se only useful for joints with large smooth flat areas on both objects
Jun 03 04:35:51 <DocScrutinizer05> and it works only when you *really* apply force to connect the two objects
Jun 03 04:36:46 <DocScrutinizer05> this critter I linked above is more like cyanoacrylate
Jun 03 04:36:58 <DocScrutinizer05> just slower and more elastic
Jun 03 04:37:32 <DocScrutinizer05> really strong stuff
Jun 03 04:39:44 <DocScrutinizer05> oh, I need to create a test-"H" object from that stuff, to check the force it needs to break the substance itself
Jun 03 04:40:40 <DocScrutinizer05> test-I (with serifes)
Jun 03 04:47:01 <Vajb> i tried it to glue some rubber to plywood, but it peeled of quite fast. Best result i had with 2-component glue.
Jun 03 04:47:30 <DocScrutinizer05> rubber is a bitch to glue
Jun 03 04:47:38 <Vajb> bet it had something to do with other thing being elastic and other not
Jun 03 04:48:04 <Vajb> oh well back to wr0k...
Jun 03 04:49:00 <DocScrutinizer05> well, to start with, rubber is flexible and has a rather flush surface with little microstructure for clue to find a grip in it
Jun 03 04:49:09 <DocScrutinizer05> s/clue/glue/
Jun 03 04:49:10 <infobot> DocScrutinizer05 meant: well, to start with, rubber is flexible and has a rather flush surface with little microstructure for glue to find a grip in it
Jun 03 05:02:45 <KotCzarny> oksana: some recomment to put rubberband on the screw, then press screwdriver really hard
Jun 03 05:03:37 <KotCzarny> also, if those screws are in the display part, you can just get n900 with broken usb/modem cheap and replace the whole thing
Jun 03 05:57:35 <Vajb> also gentle tip of a hammer might help. I mean to put screwdriver on screw and tap the screw driver with hammer.
Jun 03 06:32:22 <DocScrutinizer05> not on a 1.2mm screw
Jun 03 06:33:55 <DocScrutinizer05> if that large at all
Jun 03 06:34:45 <DocScrutinizer05> actually 1.4x4
Jun 03 06:56:41 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: bluetooth DUN still gives some form of control to the N900 though, or at least some form of monitoring
Jun 03 06:56:47 <kerio> the data counter goes up
Jun 03 07:03:10 <Oksana> Any idea why WiFi sometimes goes Off-then-back-On(Stock) ?
Jun 03 07:11:43 <DocScrutinizer05> kerio: excellent spotting
Jun 03 07:12:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Oksana: seems it has its resets aka "kernel oopses" just like the PowerVR and DSP
Jun 03 07:13:15 <DocScrutinizer05> check syslog
Jun 03 07:13:42 <DocScrutinizer05> it should have some hints about what's going on
Jun 03 07:15:29 <DocScrutinizer05> LOL just found this as last entry (except MARK) in syslog  >>Jun  3 02:34:14 IroN900 kernel: [107637.393218] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered<<
Jun 03 07:21:22 <Oksana> ~syslog
Jun 03 07:21:22 <infobot> i guess syslog is the unix facility for logging the messages that programs produce.
Jun 03 07:23:33 * Oksana wonders where syslog is...
Jun 03 07:24:20 <DocScrutinizer05> it's in /var/log/syslog, when you installed the *syslog-bla packages
Jun 03 07:24:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://paste.opensuse.org/13555037
Jun 03 07:25:44 <DocScrutinizer05> klogd - Kernel Logging Daemon
Jun 03 07:25:46 <DocScrutinizer05> sysklogd - System Logging Daemon
Jun 03 08:14:30 <DocScrutinizer05> btw awesome stuff:  http://maemo.org/packages/view/sp-endurance/ http://maemo.org/packages/view/sp-endurance-postproc/
Jun 03 08:44:56 <Sicelo> i have  had that annoying sgx reset
Jun 03 08:56:43 <Sicelo> anyone on this channel attending DebConf16 in Cape Town, South Africa?
Jun 03 13:14:43 <sunshavi> \quit
Jun 03 13:14:49 <sunshavi> \leave
Jun 03 15:49:25 <ceene> i think yappari is dead
Jun 03 15:49:30 <ceene> :(
Jun 03 15:49:48 <ceene> i see that yowsup users are experiencing the same thing as i am
Jun 03 15:49:54 <ceene> automatic ban just because
Jun 03 15:50:28 <ceene> they must be thoroughly checking clients and are banning all non official ones
Jun 03 15:50:40 <ceene> they can do it in thousands of ways
Jun 03 15:51:14 <ceene> the most subtle thing could be an indicator of a rogue client
Jun 03 15:57:33 <Sicelo> ah, that sucks
Jun 03 15:57:41 <ceene> yep :(
Jun 03 15:57:49 <Sicelo> is there any alternative implementation that still works?
Jun 03 15:57:55 <ceene> i just don't know what else to do
Jun 03 15:58:01 <ceene> yowsup is the most updated one
Jun 03 15:58:06 <ceene> at least that i know of
Jun 03 15:59:52 <ceene> i'm downloading http://www.android-x86.org/download this
Jun 03 16:00:01 <ceene> maybe it can run whatsapp
Jun 03 16:00:07 <ceene> under a virtual machine
Jun 03 16:00:17 <ceene> not that it's a great solution for anyone
Jun 03 16:00:19 <Sicelo> and have we heard anything from them (yowsup), e.g. future plans?
Jun 03 16:00:31 <ceene> nope, i even wrote its author to ask for help
Jun 03 16:00:45 <ceene> first time he answered me but couldn't help
Jun 03 16:00:49 <ceene> second time he didn't even answer
Jun 03 16:01:07 <Sicelo> it may not run there ... whatsapp knows that the VM has no SIM .. or maybe it will work
Jun 03 16:01:10 <ceene> let me check his development branch
Jun 03 16:01:46 <ceene> yowsup has commits from 12 days ago
Jun 03 16:02:10 <Sicelo> ah ... so there's still a bit of life?
Jun 03 16:02:24 <ceene> so it seems
Jun 03 16:02:40 <ceene> but still they have several issues reported of bans, etc
Jun 03 16:03:07 <ceene>  Why I create a group, the number was blocked 
Jun 03 16:03:09 <ceene> 7 days ago
Jun 03 16:03:16 <ceene> that's been happening on yappari for quite a lot
Jun 03 16:03:22 <ceene>  3 number blocked after upgrading latest version v2.5.0 
Jun 03 16:03:29 <ceene> 9 days ago, after latest commit
Jun 03 16:03:39 <ceene> i win, i've got 5 numbers blocked now, i believe
Jun 03 16:04:04 <ceene>  Cannot send/receive message from a few phone numbers #1615 
Jun 03 16:04:33 <ceene> that one looks like cipher problems
Jun 03 16:04:40 <ceene> from 9 days ago
Jun 03 16:05:15 <ceene> at least i think he knows what he's doing unlike me, but this is all looking quite bad
Jun 03 16:06:49 <ceene> i'll wait till sunday
Jun 03 16:06:54 <Sicelo> quite unfortunate really. yappari has worked great
Jun 03 16:07:00 <ceene> but i think i'll be announcing the end of yappari then :(
Jun 03 16:07:22 <ceene> i still got in mind the telegram thing
Jun 03 16:07:28 <ceene> i know some people will use it
Jun 03 16:07:42 <ceene> but lots of people will be abandoning their n900
Jun 03 16:07:52 <ceene> they probably already have, to be honest
Jun 03 16:07:59 <ceene> it's been how long since yappari stopped working?
Jun 03 16:08:15 <ceene> it doesn't seem fair to keep people hoping for something that isn't going to happen
Jun 03 16:09:07 <Sicelo> my last and final ban was somewhere in april
Jun 03 16:09:14 <ceene>  DO NOT USE YAPPARI (2016/04/15)
Jun 03 16:09:15 <ceene> yep
Jun 03 16:09:26 <ceene> 6 weeks
Jun 03 16:10:05 <ceene> in a couple weeks i'd be getting my numbers unbanned
Jun 03 16:10:21 <ceene> but for what? they only last a couple of days
Jun 03 16:11:40 <Sicelo> true. i'm now watching yowsup
Jun 03 16:11:54 <Sicelo> by the way, yowsup is designed for PC? or?
Jun 03 16:12:19 <ceene> well, actually it's not a full fledged application
Jun 03 16:12:28 <ceene> it's a very complete implementation
Jun 03 16:12:32 <ceene> but interface is pretty arcane
Jun 03 16:12:37 <ceene> only console
Jun 03 16:12:45 <ceene> and probably difficult to use
Jun 03 16:13:07 <ceene> it's probably more useful for automated things, instead of personal use
Jun 03 16:13:32 <Sicelo> would it (console) work as is on N900? i see it depends on python 2.7
Jun 03 16:13:37 <Sicelo> 2.6+ rather
Jun 03 16:13:41 <ceene> yes, i think it can run
Jun 03 16:14:28 <Sicelo> okay. asking so i could test some day too
Jun 03 16:14:37 <ceene> sure, give it a try
Jun 03 16:15:03 <ceene> there's also chat-api https://github.com/mgp25/Chat-API
Jun 03 16:15:06 <ceene> it's written on php
Jun 03 16:15:12 <ceene> don't think that'll run easily on maemo
Jun 03 16:15:16 <ceene> also, it's php
Jun 03 16:15:58 <ceene> latest real commit was on march
Jun 03 16:16:06 <ceene> he told me he has latest protocol implemented
Jun 03 16:16:14 <ceene> but to be honest, i think it's not true
Jun 03 16:16:44 <Sicelo> looks quiet that one, yes
Jun 03 16:16:52 <ceene> he's from my city, i hoped he would be nicer
Jun 03 16:17:07 <ceene> but didn't care a fucking lot about helping me a little
Jun 03 16:17:44 <ceene> maybe i'm just frustrated, but i hate him :D
Jun 03 16:17:50 <Sicelo> lol
Jun 03 16:18:42 <Sicelo> i'll maybe test that yowsup on my pc then. let me hope that one somehow gets sorted
Jun 03 16:19:35 <Sicelo> i'm using pidgin's telegram plugin on the N900 .. managed to get one of my sister's on it, haha
Jun 03 16:19:52 <ceene> oh, the other will have to fall for it too!
Jun 03 16:20:14 <ceene> i'll try and see how much hard is it to use telegram-qt on yappari
Jun 03 16:20:19 <ceene> i see it as doable
Jun 03 16:20:19 <Sicelo> i wrote them a nice long email .. i'm sure she'll join shortly enough
Jun 03 16:20:30 <ceene> i'll have to change its name so people don't get confused
Jun 03 16:21:09 <Sicelo> true that
Jun 03 16:24:42 <ceene> i'm also a little tired of all the incompatibilities of this thingy
Jun 03 16:24:47 <ceene> modest is a piece of shit
Jun 03 16:25:08 <ceene> i may end up buying a phone like the one normal people use
Jun 03 16:25:39 <ceene> an android to do normal people things and the n900 to type insanely on a console and feel like a hacker
Jun 03 16:26:58 <Sicelo> you have large inbox?
Jun 03 16:27:05 <ceene> nope
Jun 03 16:27:15 <ceene> but some messages break it
Jun 03 16:27:19 <Sicelo> i've not had any issues with modest myself .. of course wfm is never a useful solution
Jun 03 16:27:32 <ceene> i received a linux-kernel mailing list and it broke everything
Jun 03 16:27:49 <Sicelo> strange
Jun 03 16:28:01 <ceene> it's completely absurd, because it stores mails as a Maildir, so each message gets its own file
Jun 03 16:28:14 <Sicelo> and ML usually send plain-text .. that should be even easier to handle, i'd assume
Jun 03 16:28:15 <ceene> but it corrupts something and mixes headers with content, content with headers, etc
Jun 03 16:28:22 <ceene> yes, that's the funny thing
Jun 03 16:28:40 <ceene> it's not even a gmail or iphone or modern thingy
Jun 03 16:28:45 <ceene> it's just majordomo mailing list
Jun 03 16:29:22 <Sicelo> and i'm sure FMG/Pali receive lots of ML emails .. i don't think they've had that issue either
Jun 03 16:29:34 <Sicelo> you may want to try remove and re-add the mailbox?
Jun 03 16:29:40 <ceene> yes, that solves it
Jun 03 16:29:54 <ceene> but it isn't something i'm willing to do so often...
Jun 03 16:30:03 <Sicelo> then it breaks again after 'fix'?
Jun 03 16:30:38 <ceene> whenever it finds a message it doesn't like, it breaks again
Jun 03 16:31:16 <Sicelo> are you at least able to find out the offending message? you could look at it properly in a more detailed client such as mutt
Jun 03 16:31:56 <ceene> yes, i'm quite sure it's mailing lists emails
Jun 03 16:32:04 <ceene> but still, i don't want to do that
Jun 03 16:32:07 <ceene> i just want to read emails
Jun 03 16:32:44 <ceene> i'm passing through a "i just want to be a user, not a dev!" phase
Jun 03 16:33:28 <Sicelo> i love N900 .. but i know for sure it won't last forever :)
Jun 03 16:33:36 <ceene> i even bought a second one
Jun 03 16:33:42 <ceene> just because they are cool as hell
Jun 03 16:33:54 <ceene> and i love that they are little linux machines with full fledged keyboards
Jun 03 16:34:03 <ceene> but they don't work as an everyday phone anymore :/
Jun 03 16:34:27 <Sicelo> for the time being im fine with it, and wish to use it as long as possible, but my 2nd one already has bad flex, not reading sd cards, and green notification LED is dead
Jun 03 16:34:35 <Sicelo> who knows what next
Jun 03 16:35:19 <Sicelo> as much as Jolla is having tough times, i probably may find myself a Jolla user, or even Tizen if Samsung makes a proper decision about that
Jun 03 16:35:42 <Sicelo> if these two don't work out .. Android
Jun 03 16:35:43 <ceene> the jolla would have been great
Jun 03 16:35:48 <ceene> with its keyboard and all
Jun 03 16:36:19 <ceene> and its android compatibility allows it to use it with current apps
Jun 03 16:38:32 <ceene> i think shaslik http://www.shashlik.io/ is also dead
Jun 03 16:38:45 <ceene> no commits since march, 2nd
Jun 03 16:40:13 <Sicelo> :(
Jun 03 16:40:28 <Sicelo> i wanted to test that too
Jun 03 16:40:36 <Sicelo> terrible 
Jun 03 16:40:40 <ceene> i tried a couple weeks ago without luck
Jun 03 16:51:55 <ceene> i don't know if i'll be able to live without a keyboard
Jun 03 18:31:17 <DocScrutinizer05> whatsapp the Inc is as nasty and mendacious as it gets, no?
Jun 03 18:31:38 <DocScrutinizer05> this is an uphill battle you can't win
Jun 03 18:33:54 <DocScrutinizer05> I could come up with half a dozen (better) solutions to absolutely any problem they might face with "rogue clients", but they decide to block users since it meets their business plan
Jun 03 18:36:07 <DocScrutinizer05> TNH the technical skills level in whatsapp never been better than a modest on par at best, given they simply copied XMPP or IRC basically
Jun 03 18:36:17 <DocScrutinizer05> TBH
Jun 03 18:37:37 <DocScrutinizer05> all their great words they write on their website sound like lies
Jun 03 21:35:41 * stryngs just wants to play with the Neo.... =)
Jun 03 21:36:34 <merlin1991> other people too ;?
Jun 03 21:36:36 <merlin1991> err ;)
Jun 03 21:43:00 <stryngs> =}
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