**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 05 02:59:58 2016
Jun 05 12:55:47 <ceene> hi
Jun 05 13:04:02 <Sicelo> hi ceene 
Jun 05 13:05:20 <ceene> today is the day i post about the death of yappari :/
Jun 05 13:06:17 <Sicelo> okay
Jun 05 13:06:27 <Sicelo> so it really looks bad?
Jun 05 13:06:36 <ceene> yep
Jun 05 13:06:39 <ceene> i don't know what else to do
Jun 05 13:06:46 <ceene> i register
Jun 05 13:06:48 <ceene> don't use it
Jun 05 13:06:51 <ceene> one week later
Jun 05 13:06:53 <ceene> i'm banned
Jun 05 13:07:01 <ceene> same thing is happening to people using yowsup
Jun 05 13:07:26 <ceene> i'll still be looking at yowsup development, in case they are able to find the cause of it
Jun 05 13:07:56 <ceene> but i haven't advanced at all in several weeks now, i've got banned 5 or 6 different numbers, i've lost the count of it
Jun 05 13:09:15 <Sicelo> it is understandable :)
Jun 05 13:09:34 <Sicelo> i've also been following yowsup, and noticed lots of tickets going on the last few days
Jun 05 13:26:02 <bencoh> ceene: :'(
Jun 05 13:26:38 <ceene> sorry :(
Jun 05 13:28:33 <ceene> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1507013#post1507013
Jun 05 13:30:57 <bencoh> ceene: you dont have to say sorry (and I'm not a yappari user anyway) but still it's sad that it eventually came to that end
Jun 05 13:31:37 <bencoh> that'll probably make a lot of people move to android phones ...
Jun 05 13:32:33 <ceene> yep
Jun 05 13:34:07 <bencoh> I hope that the yowsup devs will eventually find something, but ...
Jun 05 13:34:27 <ceene> i thought they were at a better position than me, as they implemented WA16 while I was stuck with WA15
Jun 05 13:34:46 <Wizzup> I don't see many people moving to android solely for whatsapp.
Jun 05 13:34:50 <ceene> yet their latest bugs reported are exactly the same problems as i have
Jun 05 13:34:58 <Wizzup> I know quite some people using a n900, and none of them use whatsapp
Jun 05 13:35:01 <Wizzup> me included
Jun 05 13:35:07 <bencoh> Wizzup: me included as well
Jun 05 13:35:26 <ceene> not only am I getting banned, i still couldn't talk to anyone with encryption enabled, wich as of today is almost 100%
Jun 05 13:35:50 <ceene> i won't stop using my n900, but i'll probably be buying an android phone
Jun 05 13:36:32 <bencoh> Wizzup: staying away from whatsapp *does* make social networking harder
Jun 05 13:36:44 <bencoh> I dont like that either, and still dont use it, but I can see it clearly
Jun 05 13:37:03 <bencoh> "I'll send that to you via whatsapp" "err, I dont have it" "oh, you dont? ..."
Jun 05 13:37:15 <ceene> it's also very country specific
Jun 05 13:37:16 <bencoh> and you basically miss all the group messaging
Jun 05 13:37:21 <ceene> here in spain, nobody uses anything else
Jun 05 13:37:23 <bencoh> ceene: indeed
Jun 05 13:37:38 <bencoh> it was (a bit) less visible in france
Jun 05 13:39:35 <bencoh> add to that the fact that I/we dont use facebook either, and ...
Jun 05 13:40:17 <ceene> yep
Jun 05 13:40:22 <ceene> we're the antisocial ones :)
Jun 05 13:40:22 <Wizzup> bencoh: most people in my social network have sms/phone/email/irc
Jun 05 13:40:30 <Wizzup> It's at least one of those
Jun 05 13:40:33 <Wizzup> good enough for me
Jun 05 13:40:38 <bencoh> yeah they can sms as well
Jun 05 13:40:51 <Wizzup> unrelated note:
Jun 05 13:41:04 <Wizzup> also managed to make ofono work on this USB HSO modem I have
Jun 05 13:41:09 <bencoh> there *is* at least one communication channel, it's just not the one people use, especially for group stuff
Jun 05 13:41:14 <bencoh> woohoo
Jun 05 13:41:17 <Wizzup> now I need to figure out how to use the n900 modem over usb again
Jun 05 13:41:30 <Wizzup> the usb hso modem was already supposed by ofono, and it's not n900 specific
Jun 05 13:41:37 <bencoh> Wizzup: does your n900 modem work?
Jun 05 13:41:39 <Wizzup> just happy it's pretty much the same as the n900 modem at this point
Jun 05 13:41:41 <Wizzup> data, yes
Jun 05 13:41:45 <Wizzup> voice, perhaps
Jun 05 13:41:45 <bencoh> because the usb tethering part is pretty simple
Jun 05 13:41:51 <bencoh> iptables -t nat and there you go
Jun 05 13:41:55 <Wizzup> I didn't mean with iptables
Jun 05 13:41:59 <Wizzup> I meant actually forwarding the modem
Jun 05 13:42:03 <Wizzup> so I'd run ofono on my laptop
Jun 05 13:42:05 <bencoh> ah
Jun 05 13:42:15 <bencoh> didn't know ofono actually had support for that
Jun 05 13:42:24 <Wizzup> I'm going to see if I can make a blog post on the n900/gentoo setup I have atm
Jun 05 13:42:28 <Wizzup> someone asked, l29ah or so
Jun 05 13:42:37 <Wizzup> bencoh: I think it does
Jun 05 13:42:51 <Wizzup> https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Ofono
Jun 05 13:42:57 <Wizzup> https://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Ofono#Using_oFono_in_Pass_thru_mode
Jun 05 13:48:52 <bencoh> hmmm
Jun 05 13:48:52 <ceene> https://www.bq.com/es/aquaris-a4-5
Jun 05 13:48:56 <ceene> i'm thinking about this thing
Jun 05 13:49:27 <ceene> it's an Android One, so at least it should keep getting updates from google
Jun 05 13:50:55 <ceene> don't know if i'll be able to use a thing without a keyboard
Jun 05 13:51:07 * Wizzup doesn't care about android
Jun 05 13:51:23 <ceene> i'm quite clumsy with my fat thumbs :D
Jun 05 13:56:58 <bencoh> ceene: I have thin fingers, and yet...
Jun 05 13:57:44 <ceene> http://www.dhgate.com/store/product/20pcs-bluetooth-keyboard-case-for-samsung/198734766.html
Jun 05 13:57:48 <ceene> i believe this thing could be usable
Jun 05 13:58:16 <ceene> the back side gets attached permanently to the phone
Jun 05 13:58:22 <ceene> and the keyboard is fixed with magnets
Jun 05 13:58:25 <ceene> similar to the jolla
Jun 05 13:58:51 <ceene> so maybe a strip magnet attached to the back of any other phone can get it fixed
Jun 05 13:59:03 <ceene> and be made compatible with other phones, not only samsung's
Jun 05 13:59:21 <joga> seemed to me the jolla keyb got detached pretty easily
Jun 05 13:59:33 <joga> resulting in repeated keystrokes etc
Jun 05 13:59:44 <ceene> well, this is bluetooth
Jun 05 14:00:08 <ceene> so attachment is just needed to keep it geometrically useful, so you can keep the keyboard and the phone on the hand at once
Jun 05 14:00:14 <joga> I guess
Jun 05 14:00:25 <joga> just the hassle of recharging the keyboard separately
Jun 05 14:00:32 <ceene> http://simpledevices.blogspot.com.es/2015/06/turning-samsung-galaxy-note-4-sm-n910f.html
Jun 05 14:00:42 <ceene> yes, though they're supposed to last several weeks (!)
Jun 05 14:01:40 <ceene> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-XJw-9lWo-Nw/VYai5vkN_HI/AAAAAAAAAUs/GwlWjrqpfDE/s1600/01102009035.jpg
Jun 05 14:01:43 <ceene> lol
Jun 05 14:01:44 <ceene> the n900 is tiny
Jun 05 14:01:47 <joga> heh
Jun 05 14:01:50 <joga> it's snug!
Jun 05 14:01:55 <ceene> or the samsung thingy is like a din a4
Jun 05 14:25:21 <Sicelo> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35639549
Jun 05 14:25:22 <Sicelo> :p
Jun 05 16:23:26 <ceene> that's scary
Jun 05 16:25:12 <Sicelo> yep. very much
Jun 05 16:30:30 <ceene> i was thinking about buying unoe phone of the Android One programm
Jun 05 16:30:36 <ceene> i think it shall be as vanilla as it gets
Jun 05 16:30:58 <ceene> so probably drivers are easily available so cyanogen, replicant etc are easier to port and probably work outside the box
Jun 05 16:49:34 <Sicelo> how much does that cost?
Jun 05 16:50:12 <ceene> 160 euros
Jun 05 16:52:27 <Sicelo> okay
Jun 05 16:52:51 <ceene> it only sells on spain and portugal, though
Jun 05 16:52:59 <ceene> i don't think you could buy one of this directly
Jun 05 16:54:56 <Sicelo> no money for it either :p
Jun 05 16:55:03 <Sicelo> but the price sounds good
Jun 05 16:55:34 <ceene> yeah, bq has rightfully cheap phones with a decent quality
Jun 05 16:56:04 <ceene> it's a company that originated at my university, so for me that's a sentimental plus also :D
Jun 05 17:09:09 <Sicelo> let me take  a shower for now 
Jun 05 17:10:07 <ceene> you don't need to ask me permission for that :P
Jun 05 17:43:58 <ceene> good, telegram-qt is actively maintained
Jun 05 17:44:22 <ceene> and it's still compiling on scratchbox, with my patches
Jun 05 17:46:04 <ceene> this task is also quite big
Jun 05 17:46:13 <ceene> adapting all yappari interface to this new one
Jun 05 17:54:19 <ceene> KotCzarny: you've still got to upload oscp source code somewhere...
Jun 05 17:55:33 <KotCzarny> yup
Jun 05 17:56:02 <ceene> now that i've released myself from the burden of whatsapp i can spend all my free time pestering you
Jun 05 17:56:05 <KotCzarny> i just came back from the weekend time near the lake
Jun 05 17:56:25 <ceene> cool!
Jun 05 17:58:09 <KotCzarny> and i will have time for it this week
Jun 05 17:58:43 <KotCzarny> so dont hold back, plan is that ill try to fix song ending algo, then i will put it somewhere
Jun 05 17:59:16 <ceene> great :)
Jun 05 17:59:30 <ceene> it's been a while since i lasted used oscp, to be honest
Jun 05 17:59:40 <ceene> i got it installed in a x86 little machine
Jun 05 17:59:57 <ceene> to stream through wireless headpones, while controlling it from the n900
Jun 05 18:00:43 <KotCzarny> get yourself some allwinner box for the audio server task
Jun 05 18:00:56 <KotCzarny> (1-2W power envelope)
Jun 05 18:01:18 <ceene> no need to, this box i have is always on
Jun 05 18:01:22 <ceene> it's my torrenting machine
Jun 05 18:01:27 <ceene> connected directly to the tv
Jun 05 18:01:31 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 05 18:01:51 <KotCzarny> a20 boards have real sata too
Jun 05 18:01:55 <KotCzarny> and hdmi out
Jun 05 18:02:25 <ceene> bluetooth and wifi?
Jun 05 18:02:31 * KotCzarny is trying to infect ceene with little boxes wirii
Jun 05 18:02:35 <ceene> :)
Jun 05 18:02:41 <ceene> i don't want any more boxes
Jun 05 18:03:00 <KotCzarny> wifi yes (though crappy usyally), and you can always put usb dongle
Jun 05 18:03:23 <ceene> i don't want to tinker with anything at this moment, to be honest
Jun 05 18:03:32 <ceene> i'm tired of knowing how everything works
Jun 05 18:03:41 <ceene> i for once want to just use the damn things as normal people do
Jun 05 18:03:52 <KotCzarny> also, you can compile n900's binaries in chroot without qemu
Jun 05 18:03:58 <ceene> work doesn't help either, as in the end all i do at work is tinkering with random shit
Jun 05 18:04:04 <ceene> sometimes it's fun, sometimes it's frustrating
Jun 05 18:04:07 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 05 18:04:10 <ceene> i've got quite a week ahead of me
Jun 05 18:04:30 <ceene> i've got to retake a vhdl firmware i wrote a year ago and make it work on a new fpga and platform
Jun 05 18:04:34 <ceene> i hate it all right now
Jun 05 18:04:37 <ceene> i need a long vacation
Jun 05 18:05:31 <KotCzarny> i bet you wouldnt last a week without the toys
Jun 05 18:05:53 <ceene> i do, on august
Jun 05 18:06:01 <ceene> i spend the whole month at the beach
Jun 05 18:06:11 <KotCzarny> no phone?
Jun 05 18:06:11 <ceene> and i don't give a shit about these things
Jun 05 18:06:12 <ceene> :D
Jun 05 18:06:26 <ceene> not much, to be honest
Jun 05 18:06:54 <ceene> well, second fortnight of august i depend on whatsapp, sadly, to easily interact with people and make plans
Jun 05 18:06:57 <ceene> :(
Jun 05 18:07:01 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jun 05 18:07:22 <ceene> but i wouldn't give a damn if it were smoke signals instead of high technology
Jun 05 18:11:59 <KotCzarny> my only social communication channel is irc
Jun 05 18:12:48 <KotCzarny> other than that i just use real life talk and gsm
Jun 05 18:27:58 <bencoh> ceene: I'd probably prefere smoke signals :p
Jun 05 18:28:06 <bencoh> people would keep it simple
Jun 05 18:28:17 <bencoh> out of laziness
Jun 05 19:09:32 <ceene> bad thing about this phone i'm thinking on buying (bq a4.5) is that it seems to be the one less sold
Jun 05 19:09:40 <ceene> so that can be a source of problems, i guess
Jun 05 19:35:16 <vectis3> KotCzarny: Can you compile binaries for N8*0 on that a20 board?
Jun 05 19:35:28 <KotCzarny> yup
Jun 05 19:36:03 <KotCzarny> in fact last n8x0 package is built with it
Jun 05 19:36:28 <vectis3> cool, I might just get one. I seem to spend forever compiling on my tablet instead of playing with it.
Jun 05 19:37:10 <KotCzarny> i think you can even use distcc, and still compile on the tablet if you really want, but having more faster storage is nice
Jun 05 19:37:48 <vectis3> Did you resolve the new compiler issues you were having?
Jun 05 19:38:01 <KotCzarny> not yet
Jun 05 19:38:25 <vectis3> hmm, what version have you compiled?
Jun 05 19:39:33 <vectis3> compiler, that is.
Jun 05 19:47:08 <KotCzarny> i had some sidetracking, ie. building my sunxi farm
Jun 05 20:34:07 <Vajb> ceene: now that u gave up whatsup, let me point u to new direction. That is Facebook chat ;)
Jun 05 20:34:41 <ceene> that's not gonna happen, sorry :P
Jun 05 20:34:47 <ceene> if something happens, it'll be telegram
Jun 05 23:45:25 <Oksana> If you want to compile something... What about porting xpaint to maemo repositories? I did install XPaint from Debian repository once, but minor details (locations of files, such as *.desktop, and size of touch-gui buttons) could use improvement
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