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Jun 08 07:00:34 <DocScrutinizer05> moin
Jun 08 10:13:09 <x-system> Hello!    When it will be new version maemo for n900?
Jun 08 10:13:57 <Sicelo> what do you mean?
Jun 08 10:14:46 <Sicelo> Maemo was abandoned by Nokia long ago, so there'll not be any new versions. Only Maemo 5
Jun 08 10:14:51 <Sicelo> there is CSSU however
Jun 08 10:14:53 <Sicelo> ~cssu
Jun 08 10:14:53 <infobot> cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update)
Jun 08 10:18:00 <x-system> Hello!    When it will be new version maemo for n900?
Jun 08 10:18:33 <Sicelo> um .. didn't i answer that already?
Jun 08 10:21:38 <x-system> I suppose, CSSU develiping maemo 5: fix bugs, adding new fitch. It true?
Jun 08 10:22:03 <Sicelo> yes
Jun 08 10:23:24 <Sicelo> there's obviously a limit to the addition of new features .. as the purpose of CSSU is to maintain close-to stock/standard behaviour, while fixing bugs, and optimizing performance
Jun 08 10:23:28 <x-system> Now I have 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 - it last version?
Jun 08 10:23:41 <KotCzarny> nope, cssu is latest
Jun 08 10:24:01 <x-system> um..
Jun 08 10:25:13 <x-system> how can I see version in my n900?
Jun 08 10:26:27 <DocScrutinizer05> FSCK YOU gmail!!!!
Jun 08 10:28:46 <x-system> When changelog last version maemo5? 
Jun 08 10:37:04 <x-system> I realy confused. Now I have 21.2011.38-1 Tmaemo11, but you tell me what it not last version. But https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#Tmaemo10.1 last version 11.04.2015. I can't understand )
Jun 08 10:39:04 <KotCzarny> last firmware available is the one you cited
Jun 08 10:39:17 <KotCzarny> but to get all updates it requires cssu
Jun 08 10:39:38 <KotCzarny> as there is no firmware release from cssu
Jun 08 10:59:22 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: freemangordon: get a decent mail provider!!
Jun 08 10:59:48 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh, and that's to you too, Greg KH!
Jun 08 11:00:28 <DocScrutinizer05> linuxfoundation can't afford to run their own decent MX :-/
Jun 08 11:00:55 <DocScrutinizer05> linuxfoundation uses GOOGLEmail!
Jun 08 11:01:02 <Pali> yes, torvlads too
Jun 08 11:01:05 <DocScrutinizer05> rotfl
Jun 08 11:01:13 <Pali> *torvalds
Jun 08 11:01:26 <Pali> sometimes pull requests for him are going into google spam
Jun 08 11:01:28 <Pali> we know that
Jun 08 11:01:38 <DocScrutinizer05> didn't expect they were SUCH NOOBS ;-P
Jun 08 11:01:49 <Pali> and so for sending patches and pull requests is ideal only gmail
Jun 08 11:02:10 <Pali> because gmail --> gmail transport does not end in spam
Jun 08 11:02:22 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jun 08 11:02:41 <DocScrutinizer05> als OM->gmail ends in spam regularly lately
Jun 08 11:03:19 <DocScrutinizer05> and NO, I will NOT suggest to Paul Wise (OM admin) to create a SPF record for OM
Jun 08 11:04:02 <DocScrutinizer05> OM mail servers are known-good since ... 8some years
Jun 08 11:05:00 <DocScrutinizer05> btw LKML seems to be down too
Jun 08 11:13:28 <Pali> DMARC and SPF are one big shit
Jun 08 11:14:12 <Pali> for supporting DMARC, kde bugzilla decided to remove and mangle From headers
Jun 08 11:14:33 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: see my reported bug https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359603
Jun 08 11:14:40 <Pali> of course closed as INVALID
Jun 08 11:16:47 <DocScrutinizer05> as usual :-/
Jun 08 11:17:48 <DocScrutinizer05> linux suffering an invasion by highly qualified total ignoramuses
Jun 08 11:23:42 <Pali> "In regards to email standards, they're not relevant here."
Jun 08 11:24:01 <Pali> "What commonly used email providers dictate as being required is relevant"
Jun 08 11:24:19 <Pali> "as what people care about is getting their email in a readable form"
Jun 08 11:24:40 <Pali> "GMail, followed by Yahoo are our top destinations for email delivery. So they set the rules."
Jun 08 11:28:56 <DocScrutinizer05> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359603#c7 says it all, those fools assign higher priority to gmail defacto "standards" than to RFC
Jun 08 12:41:35 <jonwil> hi
Jun 08 13:17:36 <x-system> Okey, 21.2011.38-1 Tmaemo11 - it last frimvare for my n900?
Jun 08 13:45:12 <Shapeshifter> the camera on my n900 appears to have stopped working. black picture in the camera app, grey in fcamera. what do?
Jun 08 13:46:00 <bencoh> I suppose you tried rebooting and made sure it wasn't software-related?
Jun 08 13:46:20 <Shapeshifter> I rebooted. could be software, not sure how to debug
Jun 08 13:46:20 <bencoh> (like, you didnt play with cam drivers)
Jun 08 13:46:35 <Shapeshifter> I didn't break it knowingly, no.
Jun 08 14:15:26 <ceene> Pali DocScrutinizer05 may that wrong headers be the thing that corrupts mails in modest?
Jun 08 14:15:55 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jun 08 14:16:04 <Pali> ceene: which erong headers?
Jun 08 14:16:20 <ceene> Pali: those From: someone via whatever thing
Jun 08 14:16:21 <bencoh> wtf with that bug report oO
Jun 08 14:16:37 <Pali> ceene: which From:?
Jun 08 14:16:45 <ceene> from the bug report DocScrutinizer05 pasted before
Jun 08 14:16:57 <ceene> And now in this week I got emails from KDE Bugzilla which format of From header is: From: via KDE Bugzilla <bugzilla_noreply@kde.org>
Jun 08 14:16:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ooh
Jun 08 14:17:01 <DocScrutinizer05> nope
Jun 08 14:17:19 <Pali> ceene: that is bug in KDE bugzilla
Jun 08 14:17:26 <Pali> which I reported
Jun 08 14:17:33 <ceene> yes, but what if modest receives a message formated like that?
Jun 08 14:17:39 <DocScrutinizer05> and the problem I ran into is gmail SUCKS
Jun 08 14:17:57 <DocScrutinizer05> formated like what?
Jun 08 14:18:08 <ceene> From: via KDE Bugzilla <bugzilla_noreply@kde.org>
Jun 08 14:18:13 <Pali> ceene: modest and also any other email client (gmail web too!!!!) show what is in From: header
Jun 08 14:18:14 <ceene> and other random shit
Jun 08 14:18:33 <Pali> so you will see "via KDE Bugzilla <bugzilla_noreply@kde.org>"
Jun 08 14:18:50 <ceene> Pali: thing is, I've been experiencing glitches on the way modest displays emails after receiving on the n900 a mail originated in linux kernel mailing list
Jun 08 14:19:08 <ceene> so i thought it could be related to that
Jun 08 14:19:14 <DocScrutinizer05> ceene: that bug is unrelated to modest. But modest is known to cock up on all sorts of slightly unusual mail structures
Jun 08 14:19:45 <Pali> modest in cssu-devel has fixes for some retarted bugs
Jun 08 14:19:57 <DocScrutinizer05> yes, I already said that
Jun 08 14:20:22 <ceene> uhm, i must have missed that
Jun 08 14:20:28 <ceene> to be honest, i don't know what i'm running right now
Jun 08 14:20:31 <DocScrutinizer05> unless you run CSSU, you shouldn't even start to wonder why modest doesn't work
Jun 08 14:20:37 <Pali> and if there are still big problems in cssu-devel version, write me proper description of that problem... and I can start thinking if that problem is a bug and if is possible to fix
Jun 08 14:20:53 <ceene> i'll have to wait for it to break again
Jun 08 14:21:00 <ceene> so i can check the offending mail
Jun 08 14:21:02 <bencoh> pretty sure ceene runs cssu
Jun 08 14:21:04 <Pali> merlin1991 wrote me that new cssu-stable is on go
Jun 08 14:21:04 <bencoh> ;)
Jun 08 14:21:14 <bencoh> Pali: woohoo for -stable \o/
Jun 08 14:21:16 <Pali> so security and bug fixes should be there
Jun 08 14:21:33 <ceene> i'm running cssu, i just don't know if i got something from cssu-devel or not
Jun 08 14:21:41 * DocScrutinizer05 sighs at "postfix HowTo for dummies"
Jun 08 14:23:09 <Pali> anyway, I'm fixing perl modules which generate and parse email (those from Email:: namespace) and I believe that we will have RFC compliant email support in perl :-)
Jun 08 14:23:23 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: hm?
Jun 08 14:23:28 <bencoh> regarding the From: rewrite?
Jun 08 14:23:36 <DocScrutinizer05> no
Jun 08 14:23:43 <Pali> shut up with From: rewriting!
Jun 08 14:23:44 <Pali> :D
Jun 08 14:23:53 <bencoh> haha
Jun 08 14:23:55 <DocScrutinizer05> regarding I had to *guess* that postconf might be a helpful command
Jun 08 14:24:03 <bencoh> ah
Jun 08 14:24:20 <Pali> From: header is filled by sender
Jun 08 14:24:35 <Pali> and not modified or rewritten
Jun 08 14:24:41 <DocScrutinizer05> is there a good "HowTo postfix" for non-debian systems?
Jun 08 14:24:54 <bencoh> yeah ... at least that's what should happen
Jun 08 14:24:54 <DocScrutinizer05> only the basics
Jun 08 14:25:25 <Pali> try official postfix documentation?
Jun 08 14:25:27 <Sicelo> arch usually has good wiki
Jun 08 14:25:35 <Pali> there is documentation for postfix config file
Jun 08 14:25:40 <DocScrutinizer05> like this?  http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html
Jun 08 14:25:40 <Pali> for each config line
Jun 08 14:26:10 <DocScrutinizer05> that's pretty much useless since: it has no hint about e.g. postconf
Jun 08 14:26:42 <DocScrutinizer05> I don't want to learn about 380 config options
Jun 08 14:27:06 <Pali> $ man 5 postconf
Jun 08 14:27:23 <Pali> and search for what you need
Jun 08 14:27:34 <DocScrutinizer05> jr@saturn:~> man 5 postconf|wc -l
Jun 08 14:27:36 <DocScrutinizer05> 7542
Jun 08 14:27:52 <Pali> yes that is full description
Jun 08 14:27:57 <Pali> but what do you need?
Jun 08 14:28:12 <DocScrutinizer05> how am I supposed to know what I need before I read a friggin 7542 manpage lines?
Jun 08 14:28:46 <Pali> if you need to change configuration of some specific setting, you can grep that documentation
Jun 08 14:28:54 <Pali> I'm sure you find what you need
Jun 08 14:28:55 <bencoh> ask your favorite search engine I'd say?
Jun 08 14:29:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I need to *install* postfix
Jun 08 14:29:12 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: guess what I did
Jun 08 14:29:15 <Pali> ah, installation & first configuration
Jun 08 14:29:21 <DocScrutinizer05> >>The road to mail-server-setup is paved with carcasses of system administrators; one hand still clinging to their keyboards and the other reaching out to the light at the end of this gloomy path.<<
Jun 08 14:29:30 <bencoh> haha
Jun 08 14:29:41 <Pali> install it via package system
Jun 08 14:29:49 <Pali> and then edit manually files in /etc/postfix/
Jun 08 14:29:53 <DocScrutinizer05> I already did that
Jun 08 14:30:15 <Pali> that http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html should be enough for normal basic settings
Jun 08 14:30:21 <DocScrutinizer05> edit config files - great! but WHAT in those 380 options in there?
Jun 08 14:30:49 <Pali> leave default
Jun 08 14:30:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess postconf command exists for a reason
Jun 08 14:31:08 <bencoh> yes, when you need to check actualy config
Jun 08 14:31:28 <Pali> myorigin, mydestination and mynetworks is what you need to change
Jun 08 14:31:45 <Pali> postconf is there as quick replacement for sed, ed and vim :-)
Jun 08 14:32:03 <DocScrutinizer05> I can't believe that there's no 120 lines mini howto for setting up a basic working postfix
Jun 08 14:32:34 <Pali> what is wrong with that basic readme file?
Jun 08 14:32:41 <DocScrutinizer05> myorigin, mydestination and mynetworks? sounds simple enough
Jun 08 14:33:04 <Pali> yes those are important
Jun 08 14:33:23 <Pali> and if you have non retarded distribution then you have good default settings
Jun 08 14:33:26 <bencoh> are you setting your own?
Jun 08 14:34:03 <DocScrutinizer05> wrong with readme basic? dunno, it was a tad intangible on first glance
Jun 08 14:34:07 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe isn't
Jun 08 14:34:23 <Pali> and if you need some specific configuration (e.g. enable STARTTLS only for specific port and reject emails which are not accepted under TLS tunnel) then you will find it in man 5 postconf...
Jun 08 14:34:43 <DocScrutinizer05> sure
Jun 08 14:35:00 <DocScrutinizer05> I guess I'll find my way when it conmes to specific things
Jun 08 14:35:19 <Pali> but if you choose manual e.g. for debian, it should work also on other distributions
Jun 08 14:35:34 <DocScrutinizer05> non retarded distribution - dunno, CentOS5
Jun 08 14:35:36 <Pali> it is same postfix, just files can be on different location
Jun 08 14:36:45 <DocScrutinizer05> the manual for debian says the postinst script asks me for domain name and type of install (server, whatnot) - alas this doesn't apply to yum install postfix
Jun 08 14:37:12 <Pali> yes, you need to skip those questions which are asked when installing
Jun 08 14:37:25 <Pali> and go to steps, how to do that manually after installation
Jun 08 14:37:39 <DocScrutinizer05> so I thought "dang, they won't do that inside the postinst, so there must be a script for that" and thus found postconf
Jun 08 14:38:30 <x-system> Hello. I have some problems with backupMenu. When I do backup I see "Error: cannot mount the eMMC. Try using FSK mode and see if that fixes it." I don't know what do. I try use FSCK - not changes. I not have memory card and do backup to MyDoc. Backupmenu version 1.2.0, frimevare - last testing. Can you help me?
Jun 08 14:38:43 <DocScrutinizer05> at that point I frowned at http://www.postfix.org/BASIC_CONFIGURATION_README.html
Jun 08 14:40:14 <DocScrutinizer05> x-system: when eMMC is corrupted, you're usually out of luck when a first try with fsck (usually done automatically even, during boot) doesn't already fix it
Jun 08 14:41:34 <DocScrutinizer05> x-system: when you want to use BM to fix the problem, then you should flash vanilla before
Jun 08 14:42:08 <DocScrutinizer05> when you however want to make a *backup* of your already corrupted eMMC then you're possibly late
Jun 08 14:45:13 <x-system>  corrupted eMMC - it hardvare problem?
Jun 08 14:45:55 <DocScrutinizer05> err, a (usually) soft hw-problem. IOW nothing a reflash won't fix
Jun 08 14:48:49 <DocScrutinizer05> it's a tad unfortunate that flashing VANILLA also nukes /home, while you only need  a fresh MyDocs aiui
Jun 08 14:49:06 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe a mkfs on MyDocs would work
Jun 08 14:49:54 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry I'm busy
Jun 08 14:57:34 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: LOL  http://paste.opensuse.org/65976032
Jun 08 14:58:36 <Pali> myorigin/mydestination/mynetworks is what you need to set according to your settings
Jun 08 14:59:05 <x-system>  <DocScrutinizer05> sory, what steps for fix my problem?
Jun 08 14:59:19 <Pali> those settings must be configured by admin, not script... as only admin knows how he want to configure mail server
Jun 08 15:00:17 <DocScrutinizer05> yes. but even root could run a script that *asks* for those parameters
Jun 08 15:00:38 <DocScrutinizer05> x-system: please do a full reflash, then restore your backup
Jun 08 15:01:05 <DocScrutinizer05> though I gather you keep your backups on MyDocs, which means you've lost them
Jun 08 15:02:09 <DocScrutinizer05> unless somebody can talk you through a successful fsck session (something rarely ever seen for eMMC/MyDocs)
Jun 08 15:04:26 <x-system> <DocScrutinizer05> Thank for you
Jun 08 15:04:36 <Pali> x-system: if you have working bootmenu, you can export MyDocs block device via usb
Jun 08 15:04:56 <Pali> and then run fsck on that exported block device from host computer
Jun 08 15:05:00 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm yes, that might even work for fsck, no?
Jun 08 15:05:12 <DocScrutinizer05> beat me to it
Jun 08 15:05:13 <Pali> it must work :-)
Jun 08 15:05:39 <Pali> but if fs is totally damaged, then fsck will not be able to repair
Jun 08 15:05:45 <Pali> just like local hdd
Jun 08 15:06:01 * DocScrutinizer05 scratches head at http://www.postfix.org/postconf.5.html#myhostname
Jun 08 15:06:32 <DocScrutinizer05> myorigin = $myhostname (default: send mail as "user@$myhostname")
Jun 08 15:06:37 <Pali> on linux does not matter if block device is local hdd, or some usb device connected to phone which is connected to mmc host controller
Jun 08 15:06:58 <Pali> in both cases it is block device on which fsck can be started
Jun 08 15:08:13 <DocScrutinizer05> x-system: so first: start your system into backupmenu menu, attach to PC, select in BM menu to have MyDocs exported as USB storage
Jun 08 15:08:26 <DocScrutinizer05> attach to LINUX PC
Jun 08 15:09:08 <DocScrutinizer05> on linux PC run a fsck against the USB-attached new storage device
Jun 08 15:09:24 <DocScrutinizer05> ask here for details when you're there
Jun 08 15:20:32 <DocScrutinizer05> x-system: if you want to do reflash, see
Jun 08 15:20:40 <DocScrutinizer05> ~lazyflashing
Jun 08 15:20:44 <infobot> from memory, lazyflashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach
Jun 08 15:31:17 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: ((and if you need some specific configuration (e.g. enable STARTTLS only for specific port and reject emails which are not accepted under TLS tunnel) then you will find it in man 5 postconf...)) this is for sending mails via TLS POP3 from @anywhere, right?
Jun 08 15:31:50 <Pali> no POP3, postfix is for SMTP
Jun 08 15:31:55 <DocScrutinizer05> errr nonsense, TLS SMTP
Jun 08 15:32:35 <DocScrutinizer05> well, I hope it knows POP3 too, for fetching mails
Jun 08 15:32:45 <Pali> you can enfore postfix to require TLS (either via STARTTLS or TLS tunel on decicated port 465)
Jun 08 15:33:00 <Pali> postfix is not for fetching emails
Jun 08 15:33:14 <Pali> it is SMTP server and relay
Jun 08 15:33:15 <DocScrutinizer05> dang
Jun 08 15:33:41 <Pali> POP3/IMAP protocol for fetching emails is implemented e.g. in dovecot
Jun 08 15:33:56 <Pali> postfix + dovecot is usual combination
Jun 08 15:34:25 <DocScrutinizer05> so I'm messing with shit postfix while I'm mainly interested in a facility to *receive* mails and fetch them from that facility via POP3 or IMAP
Jun 08 15:34:51 <Sicelo> :-)
Jun 08 15:34:53 * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks
Jun 08 15:35:22 <DocScrutinizer05> I just learned why I *never* before touched that email shit
Jun 08 15:36:23 <DocScrutinizer05> postgray tricked me into thinking postfix was for receiving mails too
Jun 08 15:36:47 <Pali> postfix implements SMTP protocol, and in SMTP is sender and receiver :-)
Jun 08 15:36:56 <Pali> so it receive emails and put it them into user mailbox
Jun 08 15:37:29 <Pali> but if you want to access that user mailbox from your server via internet to other computers, you need another protocol, either POP3 or IMAP
Jun 08 15:37:37 <Pali> (or some web client)
Jun 08 15:38:02 <Pali> and that part POP3/IMAP is implemented in dovecot, IMAP and POP3 server
Jun 08 15:38:13 <DocScrutinizer05> aah right. Thanks
Jun 08 15:38:31 <Pali> it is like directory access
Jun 08 15:38:46 <Pali> like tunned FTP or SFTP protocol specially for emails
Jun 08 15:38:53 <DocScrutinizer05> so postfix would suffice if I read my emails via ssh session on server ;-)
Jun 08 15:39:01 <Pali> yes
Jun 08 15:39:22 <Pali> running mutt on that server is enough
Jun 08 15:39:34 <Pali> and lot of people prefer this over IMAP or POP3
Jun 08 15:39:54 <Pali> because all POP3 and IMAP clients sucks
Jun 08 15:39:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the rest uses webmailers ;-P
Jun 08 15:40:52 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, I will get that POP3 shit running after I replaced friggin cyrus by postfix, for inbound mails
Jun 08 15:43:55 <DocScrutinizer05> as if I had no other 'funny' things to do, than to set up a new system with mailserver and webserver and all
Jun 08 16:21:28 <DocScrutinizer05> ~wiki lmtp
Jun 08 16:21:32 <infobot> At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LMTP (URL), Wikipedia explains: "The 'Local Mail Transfer Protocol' ('LMTP') is a derivative of ESMTP, the extension of the Simple Mail Transfer Protocol (SMTP). It is defined in RFC 2033.RFC 2033, "The Local Mail Transfer Protocol", J. Myers, The Internet Society (October 1996) LMTP is designed as an alternative to normal SMTP for situations where the receiving side does not have a mail queue, such as a mail storage ...
Jun 08 16:30:06 <Sicelo> random musing: as much as most of us may not 'like' it, Outlook.com seems to have very good spam detection algo, beating Gmail by far
Jun 08 16:35:41 <DocScrutinizer05> postfix --version    => postfix: invalid option -- -
Jun 08 16:36:47 <Sicelo> postfix blues today, eh
Jun 08 16:36:49 <DocScrutinizer05> OMG 2.3.3
Jun 08 16:42:41 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: could you help me out which is TLS-server and which client?
Jun 08 16:43:35 <Pali> do not understand
Jun 08 16:43:48 <DocScrutinizer05> in my world the client initiates the session
Jun 08 16:44:04 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: MTA<->MTA session you mean?
Jun 08 16:44:24 <DocScrutinizer05> err, prolly, yes. Rather MTA<->MUA
Jun 08 16:45:22 <DocScrutinizer05> or specifically thunderbird<->postfix
Jun 08 16:46:12 <DocScrutinizer05> thunderbird would initiate a TLS-SMTP session
Jun 08 16:46:20 <bencoh> then the client issues STARTTLS
Jun 08 16:46:22 <DocScrutinizer05> is it client or server?
Jun 08 16:46:29 <bencoh> afaict
Jun 08 16:46:54 <DocScrutinizer05> the cert lives on postfix side
Jun 08 16:47:25 <DocScrutinizer05> thunderbird wouldn't even check the cert for validity
Jun 08 16:47:50 <DocScrutinizer05> well, not really
Jun 08 16:49:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Pali: for a postfix install that is supposed to handle inbound SMTP requests from my MUA via TLS, is the postfix a TLS server or a TLS client?
Jun 08 16:50:02 <Pali> ah, now I understand what you need :-)
Jun 08 16:50:04 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry for the possibly idiotic question
Jun 08 16:50:22 <Pali> you need SMTP server which will accept emails from your TB and then send it
Jun 08 16:50:30 <DocScrutinizer05> yes
Jun 08 16:50:36 <Pali> postfix is still SMTP server here
Jun 08 16:50:46 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks :-)
Jun 08 16:51:07 <Pali> in some relay mode
Jun 08 16:51:12 <DocScrutinizer05> :nod:
Jun 08 16:51:26 <Pali> and you probably want to authenticate with name+pass
Jun 08 16:51:44 <DocScrutinizer05> I however need to know if the SMTP server is also TLS server, or TLS client
Jun 08 16:52:04 <Pali> it is TLS server
Jun 08 16:52:11 <DocScrutinizer05> thanks a lot
Jun 08 16:52:29 <Pali> as server listen for connection
Jun 08 16:52:40 <Pali> TB does not listen for incomming connection
Jun 08 16:53:34 <DocScrutinizer05> smtpd_tls_security_level = may
Jun 08 16:56:32 <DocScrutinizer05> which isn't to be found in main.cf template :-/
Jun 08 16:59:04 <DocScrutinizer05> sigh, nevertheless it's in main.cf.default
Jun 08 18:43:23 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: how do you say in german "subject: header of email"?
Jun 08 18:43:59 <DocScrutinizer05> ouphh, I'd probably not translate it ;-)
Jun 08 18:44:20 <DocScrutinizer05> lemme check what my mail client says
Jun 08 18:44:37 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, english 
Jun 08 18:44:58 <DocScrutinizer05> I admit I dunno the german words commonly used
Jun 08 18:45:20 <DocScrutinizer05> subject is maybe "Betreff"
Jun 08 18:45:38 <DocScrutinizer05> header most likely has no proper german term
Jun 08 18:46:17 <DocScrutinizer05> "Betreff: Header der email"
Jun 08 18:47:29 <Pali> ok, I will look into thunderbird or kmail language files...
Jun 08 18:47:36 <DocScrutinizer05> blockheads at Siemens would use "Betreff: Kopf der elektronischen Post"
Jun 08 18:48:17 <DocScrutinizer05> email is neo-german, and prolly header is as well
Jun 08 18:50:16 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wstaw.org/m/2016/06/08/plasma-desktophw2277.png
Jun 08 18:50:34 <DocScrutinizer05> there is no fitting german term for header
Jun 08 18:51:05 <DocScrutinizer05> only for qualified header, like letter header = Briefkopf
Jun 08 18:51:23 <Pali> I thought that there could be some technical word for it
Jun 08 18:51:27 * RST38h heard something similar about jars in German
Jun 08 18:51:38 <DocScrutinizer05> so email header would be "Email-Kopf" but I definitely never heard that
Jun 08 18:51:41 <Pali> or something which is used...
Jun 08 18:51:47 <RST38h> plenty of different jars, just not the jar in general. True?
Jun 08 18:52:17 <DocScrutinizer05> err
Jun 08 18:52:28 <DocScrutinizer05> jar is "Glas" or "Topf"
Jun 08 18:53:42 <DocScrutinizer05> you can say "clean the 'Glas'" but when you say "write the 'Kopf'" you need an established context, talking about emails since 2 minutes already
Jun 08 18:55:39 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: though yes, we have 100s of "jars": Marmeladenglas, Gurkenglas, Uringlas... - but you have that in english with "beer glas" too
Jun 08 18:56:24 <RST38h> Heh =)
Jun 08 18:57:29 <DocScrutinizer05> ding even tells me >>jar [colloq]  ->  Glas Bier<<
Jun 08 19:09:56 <merlin1991> oh the joys of postfix
Jun 08 19:10:17 <merlin1991> I set up mine to disallow plain text auth
Jun 08 19:10:19 <merlin1991> that took a while ...
Jun 08 19:12:53 <merlin1991> but iirc dovecot setup was even worse
Jun 08 19:15:43 <bencoh> 19:47 < DocScrutinizer05> thunderbird wouldn't even check the cert for validity
Jun 08 19:15:47 <bencoh> err, what?
Jun 08 19:16:27 <bencoh> DocScrutinizer05: oh by the way, see saslauthd+postfix for your need
Jun 08 19:41:57 <DocScrutinizer05> ta
Jun 08 19:42:54 <DocScrutinizer05> merlin1991: :-// dovecot was next on my todo. Getting rid of cyrus
Jun 08 19:43:16 <DocScrutinizer05> which I never touched nor grok
Jun 08 19:44:00 <DocScrutinizer05> server move, incl bashing for bitrotten OS from provider, and a cyrus OOM today
Jun 08 19:44:20 <DocScrutinizer05> like xmas
Jun 08 19:44:24 <DocScrutinizer05> :-(
Jun 08 19:44:49 <bencoh> dovecot is pretty simple
Jun 08 19:45:36 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: ((check for validity)) I referred to using a self-signed cert
Jun 08 19:45:49 <bencoh> ah
Jun 08 19:45:50 <DocScrutinizer05> so no CA shit involved
Jun 08 19:47:03 <DocScrutinizer05> sasl spams my log with brute-force failed logins
Jun 08 19:48:26 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly funny:  Jun  8 21:28:44 lagrange saslauthd[2349]: do_auth         : auth failure: [user=spam] [service=smtp] [realm=] [mech=pam] [reason=PAM auth error]
Jun 08 19:49:49 <DocScrutinizer05> frowning at no IP in that loglines, for fail2ban
Jun 08 19:54:15 <bencoh> I wouldn't keep f2b around anyway, but your call
Jun 08 19:54:24 <DocScrutinizer05> why not?
Jun 08 19:55:39 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: ^^^
Jun 08 19:56:39 <DocScrutinizer05> not that I'd really worry anybody could do real harm by stuff like http://paste.opensuse.org/18962823 - but it sucks and bloats my syslogs
Jun 08 20:14:14 <DocScrutinizer51> merlin1991: what is the killer argument to not simply share a working postfix/main.cf?
Jun 08 20:14:18 <DocScrutinizer51> ey al
Jun 08 20:14:52 <DocScrutinizer51> et* al
Jun 08 20:15:57 <DocScrutinizer51> honestly I'm tempted to write a job, doing some sed ///
Jun 08 20:29:20 <DocScrutinizer51> merlin1991: what is the killer argument to not simply share a working postfix/main.cf et al?
Jun 08 20:30:01 <DocScrutinizer51> honestly I'm tempted to write a job, doing some sed ///
Jun 08 20:30:17 <DocScrutinizer51> merlin1991: please query me
Jun 08 20:56:13 <Vajb> i have odd behaviour of bme-replacement. Battery is succesfully calibrated, but when charge comes around 7% left battery voltage is at 3248 region and device will soon turn off because of empty battery.
Jun 08 20:57:41 <Vajb> first i thought that this is because my mugen battery is getting weak (after one year of use), but this keeps happening with my new battery as well. So either something is odd on my device or this is normal behavior and is just odd in my opinion.
Jun 08 21:36:56 <ShadowJK> I suspect you should more or less consider 6% empty, that's what I have always done..
Jun 08 23:26:49 <jonwil> hi
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