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Jun 12 03:32:55 <x-system> DocScrutinizer05!!! I have working BM!! I instailled Enhanced BusyBox shell in now bm work wery well! Thank for you!)
Jun 12 03:33:24 <DocScrutinizer05> tolya the messybox version looked fishy
Jun 12 03:33:28 <DocScrutinizer05> congrats
Jun 12 03:33:57 <DocScrutinizer05> actually I deprecate messing with messybox
Jun 12 03:34:01 <DocScrutinizer05> ~messybox
Jun 12 03:34:02 <infobot> messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su, passwd, nice, ps, diff as used by mc...) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
Jun 12 03:34:14 <DocScrutinizer05> rather get decent bash
Jun 12 03:34:29 <DocScrutinizer05> and leave messybox at stock release
Jun 12 03:35:13 <DocScrutinizer05> any little difference in messy busybox behavior has potential to mess with your system behavior
Jun 12 03:35:42 <DocScrutinizer05> maybe you can use inspiration (or more) from:
Jun 12 03:35:45 <DocScrutinizer05> ~jrtools
Jun 12 03:35:46 <infobot> methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Jun 12 03:36:36 <DocScrutinizer05> just out of curiosity, what's the response to "mount --help" now?
Jun 12 03:51:58 <x-system> v1.22.1 Debian 1.23.1power2 mlti-call binary
Jun 12 03:53:42 <x-system> sorry and can you answer on a early my questions?
Jun 12 03:57:59 <x-system> I really not understand about version maemo5. Now I have Tmaemo11 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 (11.04.2015) from https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog , but what is it - 5.23 12.01.2014 - 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo9.1+thumb0 from  https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb??? I have rep maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/community-thumb. It desable. If I enable it I have new update for maemo5. I'm afraid updating it because dont whant break my syste
Jun 12 03:58:26 <x-system> hm
Jun 12 03:59:42 <x-system>  https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog and https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb two different branches. And what better?
Jun 12 04:00:44 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer05: hi! do you remember someone complaining about camera focus coil ringing when brought out of standby or somesuch?
Jun 12 04:06:11 <DocScrutinizer05> freemangordon: nope
Jun 12 04:12:29 <x-system> <DocScrutinizer05> what about my questions?
Jun 12 04:17:51 <DocScrutinizer05> 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo11 is maemo CSSU-Testing
Jun 12 04:18:30 <DocScrutinizer05> anything thumb is strongly deprecated unless you know exactly what you're doing
Jun 12 04:20:00 <DocScrutinizer05> you should read carefully, and understand, https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Thumb  before you use any thumb related stuff
Jun 12 04:20:49 <DocScrutinizer05> basically thumb binaries only work on a thumb-enabled powerkernel, otherwise they will crash your system
Jun 12 04:22:51 <x-system> Okay. Thank you)
Jun 12 06:13:39 <KotCzarny> luke-jr: disassemble device, hold port, remove offender?
Jun 12 06:13:55 <KotCzarny> also, test those plugs on different device first?
Jun 12 13:20:26 <vectis3> Hi all, when trying to ssh into or out of my N900, the process hangs after entering my password. Ctl+c has no effect so I have to close the window. After several  attempts (upto 10) I can eventually login. Any ideas?   
Jun 12 13:23:53 <joga> vectis3, haven't had that happen myself I think, but for convenience, assuming you use ssh from cli, it probably supports pressing a funny escape key sequence of Enter, ~ and . (period) in order to kill the connection
Jun 12 13:34:23 <vectis3> joga: Thanks for that tip, I just need to figure out why it hangs now.
Jun 12 13:38:25 <Pali> DocScrutinizer05: flac is either compression algorithm, format and also container for flac
Jun 12 13:41:17 <kerio> Pali: yeah but can it also be used in matroska audio?
Jun 12 13:41:41 <Pali> you can include flac audio into other contairners too
Jun 12 13:41:48 <Pali> mkv/matroska should work
Jun 12 13:42:13 <Pali> but I bet that windoze software are without flac decoder support, so not much very useful
Jun 12 13:42:29 <Pali> you can also include flac audio into ogg container
Jun 12 13:42:55 <Pali> this is I think supported by ogg software and maybe also by flac command line too
Jun 12 13:43:36 <Pali> yes, flac cmdline tool has --ogg switch, which generate ogg container with flac music
Jun 12 13:43:43 <Pali> instead flac container with flac
Jun 12 14:27:07 <Sicelo> vectis3: wifi power saving?
Jun 12 15:35:41 <KotCzarny> ssvb: http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/Orange-Pi-Plus-2E-SET2-Plus-2E-Transparent-Acylic-Case-for-Orange-Pi-Support-Android-Ubuntu/1553371_32672634796.html
Jun 12 15:35:58 <KotCzarny> seems like they just put additional boards into sets
Jun 12 15:36:16 <Wizzup> KotCzarny: wrong channel?
Jun 12 15:36:22 <KotCzarny> drat.
Jun 12 15:36:27 <KotCzarny> thx for warning
Jun 12 15:36:54 <KotCzarny> vectis3: ssh -v and sshd -d will thell you where its hanging, often its just trying to resolve ip to name
Jun 12 17:00:30 <vectis3> KotCzarny: http://pastebin.com/ruFqezGY
Jun 12 17:01:36 <KotCzarny> vectis3: as a quick test add your ip to /etc/hosts on the server
Jun 12 17:01:51 <KotCzarny> if it removes delay then that's it
Jun 12 17:03:51 <KotCzarny> another issue might be some weird things going on in bash_rc or profile (test for that would be working: ssh -t user@192.168.2.151 /bin/bash
Jun 12 17:06:48 <KotCzarny> and third one would be packet loss (i experience that when my device (allwinner based one) is under load and starts dropping packets then its hard to even login, though it succeeds sometimes
Jun 12 17:09:34 <KotCzarny> on unrelated note, oscp 0.9.7-59 has a lot of fixes and few new features (for example web browser/scraper/player, ie. point it to some apache index page and enjoy ;)
Jun 12 17:39:30 <KotCzarny> [8.032 8  5 3381] slave_r: (120) Assertion 'pthread_mutex_lock(&m->mutex) == 0' failed at pulsecore/mutex-posix.c:90, function pa_mutex_lock(). Aborting.
Jun 12 17:39:43 <KotCzarny> do i hate pulseaudio? do i? i do
Jun 12 17:49:24 <vectis3> hmm, it looks like Sicelo was right with wifi power saving. Do people disable this? what sort of effect does turning it of have on battery life?
Jun 12 17:51:20 <vectis3> If I open the web browser on the phone first, ssh works fine. So I guess thats wifi power save?
Jun 12 17:52:23 <KotCzarny> vectis3: yup, maximum power saving on wifi breaks interactivity a lot
Jun 12 20:22:26 <Sicelo> vectis3: differs from router to router .. some have good implementations which don't break N900 ssh so much, and some are bad. on the 'bad' ones, sometimes adjusting beacon and other values helps. test out the different possibilities before disabling PSM completely on N900
Jun 12 20:30:46 <vectis3> Sicelo: Thanks for the info. It's only the initial login that a bit of a pain, its fine other than that. Opening the web browser on the phone helps. 
Jun 12 20:33:48 <Sicelo> yw
Jun 12 21:48:18 <Sicelo> with bq27200, when does it ever register a reset?
Jun 12 21:48:24 <Sicelo> Cycle Count since Learning: 5 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 132
Jun 12 21:48:52 <Sicelo> i am interested in the 132 .. 
Jun 13 01:56:47 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: removing battery for long enough so the buffer capacitor completely drains
Jun 13 01:58:42 <DocScrutinizer05> bq27k has no flash storage, so it retains all info only as long as buffer voltage provided. If the voltage drops below minimum, that's a reset
Jun 13 01:59:15 <DocScrutinizer05> well, it technically has flash storage but only for factory-set constants
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