**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jun 18 02:59:58 2016
Jun 18 04:37:19 <luke-jr> fwiw, I managed to remove the stupid magnet USB thing
Jun 18 04:40:38 <KotCzarny> :>
Jun 18 04:50:16 <luke-jr> I was going to wait until after vacation, but found out it didn't even charge properly :<
Jun 18 04:50:26 <KotCzarny> ooh?
Jun 18 04:50:32 <KotCzarny> how come?
Jun 18 05:10:47 <luke-jr> no idea
Jun 18 05:11:13 <luke-jr> more annoyingly, the "P" in dial number doesn't actually owrk
Jun 18 05:11:41 <luke-jr> oh well, I'll live
Jun 18 07:12:43 <souljack> I'm having an issue with getting CSSU stable to update, it is missing packages libhildon-thumbnail0 and some others. Is there a repository I'm supposed to be using other than the CSSU one?
Jun 18 07:27:16 <KotCzarny> pastebin the error
Jun 18 07:36:17 <souljack> http://pastebin.com/qLBRh6vG
Jun 18 07:41:06 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Jun 18 07:41:06 <infobot> i guess maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Jun 18 07:42:18 <KotCzarny> what are your reopos?
Jun 18 07:44:08 <KotCzarny> keep in mind, you are not supposed to use cssu-testing
Jun 18 07:47:13 <KotCzarny> and i think you are missing muarf repos (mr0, apps)
Jun 18 07:47:51 <KotCzarny> #deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./
Jun 18 07:47:51 <KotCzarny> #deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./
Jun 18 07:47:55 <KotCzarny> those two
Jun 18 08:08:09 <souljack> haha I was about to post those
Jun 18 08:08:49 <KotCzarny> keep in mind app manager has its own config in /etc/apt/hildonsomething/
Jun 18 08:08:57 <KotCzarny> and it will overwrite your changes
Jun 18 08:09:07 <souljack> I entered them into the app manager
Jun 18 08:09:38 <KotCzarny> updated repos and still the same error?
Jun 18 08:09:50 <souljack> it wants libhildon-thumbnail0
Jun 18 08:10:10 <souljack> same version as in pastebin
Jun 18 08:10:31 <souljack> (>=3.0.51+0m5)
Jun 18 08:10:35 <KotCzarny> http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/libhildon-thumbnail0_3.0.51+0m5_armel.deb
Jun 18 08:10:49 <KotCzarny> so tell me, what and where have you entered
Jun 18 08:12:09 <souljack> I added a repo, added the first address (apps), left dist and components blank (this then defaulted to distribution "/" )
Jun 18 08:12:16 <souljack> the same with the other
Jun 18 08:12:33 <souljack> this got rid of most the the dependancy problems when updating CSSU
Jun 18 08:12:43 <KotCzarny> ok, lets check it in another way, please pastebin the apt respos config
Jun 18 08:12:51 <KotCzarny> *repos
Jun 18 08:13:22 <KotCzarny> though if it worked then there might be some dependency version conflict
Jun 18 08:17:32 <souljack> where is it located
Jun 18 08:17:47 <KotCzarny>  /etc/apt/hildonsomething/
Jun 18 08:18:08 <souljack> that's what I thought
Jun 18 08:18:20 <souljack> /etc/apt -ls
Jun 18 08:18:39 <souljack> there's no hildon here
Jun 18 08:19:38 <KotCzarny> sorry, /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Jun 18 08:20:38 <KotCzarny> for easy time you can use curl and transfer.sh instead of typing: curl --upload-file somefile http://transfer.sh
Jun 18 08:22:22 <KotCzarny> http://pastebin.com/raw/6XBcEe0a
Jun 18 08:22:24 <KotCzarny> this is mine
Jun 18 08:22:41 <KotCzarny> (dont enable extras-devel, it might break things)
Jun 18 08:23:43 <souljack> yeah, don't need it
Jun 18 08:34:28 <souljack> hm, it didn't generate a link
Jun 18 08:35:45 <KotCzarny> true. wonder why
Jun 18 08:36:02 <KotCzarny> < HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable: Back-end server is at capacity
Jun 18 08:36:16 <KotCzarny> poor transfer.sh got hammered
Jun 18 08:36:27 <KotCzarny> (hint: add -v to curl ;)
Jun 18 08:36:58 <souljack> ffs
Jun 18 08:37:45 <KotCzarny> i think there was some other pastebin that had cmd line client
Jun 18 08:38:17 <souljack> yeah
Jun 18 08:39:31 <souljack> http error before end of send
Jun 18 08:40:02 <souljack> back end server is at capacity
Jun 18 08:45:36 <souljack> http://pastebin.com/s0swRjmn
Jun 18 08:47:47 <KotCzarny> change / to ./
Jun 18 08:47:58 <KotCzarny> and fremantle-1.2 to fremantle
Jun 18 09:19:54 <souljack> now it wants n900-frmx-enabler
Jun 18 09:20:53 <souljack> and the rest from before
Jun 18 09:23:53 <souljack> upgrading
Jun 18 09:34:17 <souljack> looks like it found it
Jun 18 09:46:30 <souljack> brilliant, thanks
Jun 18 11:24:46 <KotCzarny> good
Jun 18 12:59:36 <KotCzarny> hrm, there is no 'remember/reset password' on maemo.org ?
Jun 18 14:21:04 <fishbulb> hey
Jun 18 14:21:14 <fishbulb> the autocorrect dictionary canme back with an error
Jun 18 14:21:24 <fishbulb> there's dozens of errors now, almost nothing is working anymore
Jun 18 14:21:44 <fishbulb> what the hell is going to be on the neo900
Jun 18 14:22:08 <fishbulb> considering that NOTHING is open source. none of the modern chat programs with full file support that everyone uses
Jun 18 14:24:52 <fishbulb> considering nearly all girls have all those stupid chat things, and every iphone/android normal user uses them too, two phones are required? one for rose tinted glasses nostalgia n900 purposes, and the other for normal modern phone use
Jun 18 14:25:24 <KotCzarny> i use n900 as a phone (and audio player, and few other things)
Jun 18 14:25:29 <KotCzarny> one is enough
Jun 18 14:25:41 <KotCzarny> as for the girls, just go out and talk to her irl
Jun 18 14:26:05 <fishbulb> you know there's an extra step now with whatsapp and all that bullshit
Jun 18 14:26:43 <fishbulb> especially in any bigger city where they're reluctant to meet
Jun 18 14:26:58 <KotCzarny> b*shit
Jun 18 14:27:04 <fishbulb> but the n900 is crippled as it is
Jun 18 14:27:09 <KotCzarny> you dont want those girls
Jun 18 14:27:16 <fishbulb> there's a barely functional browser
Jun 18 14:27:36 <fishbulb> the gps needs the specific address usually with zip code and everything
Jun 18 14:28:30 <fishbulb> it doesn't have a search function like google maps, you have to put the specific address in (this is the only way I can still have this as my phone because gps is essential)
Jun 18 14:28:41 <fishbulb> and then... linux commands, fine if you're logging into some computer
Jun 18 14:29:24 <fishbulb> but otherwise youtube and shit doesn't really work, the browsers will work with mobile sites, it's probably doing pretty well for a 7 year old phone
Jun 18 14:30:05 <fishbulb> but it's severely behind even 4yo android phones
Jun 18 14:30:36 <KotCzarny> my n900 has oscp
Jun 18 14:30:42 <KotCzarny> which is > any other phone
Jun 18 14:30:56 <Wizzup_> KotCzarny: not sure if I'd see that as the best argument, but yeah, n900 is awesome
Jun 18 14:31:03 <Wizzup_> I've never needed whatsdown
Jun 18 14:31:24 <fishbulb> whatsapp?
Jun 18 14:31:27 <fishbulb> it's very useful
Jun 18 14:31:34 <fishbulb> what the hell is oscp
Jun 18 14:31:43 <Wizzup_> Can you explain why it is useful
Jun 18 14:31:53 <fishbulb> file transfers, nothing else on the n900 does it
Jun 18 14:32:05 <fishbulb> to normal people with normal phones.
Jun 18 14:32:06 <Wizzup_> Email isn't a thing anymore?
Jun 18 14:32:19 <fishbulb> not really, no.
Jun 18 14:32:24 <Wizzup_> I figured that sshfs/scp and a server is just fine
Jun 18 14:32:32 <Wizzup_> but it sounds like you have a lot of incentives to fix it yourself
Jun 18 14:32:35 <Wizzup_> Looking forward to it
Jun 18 14:32:42 <fishbulb> its' all impossible
Jun 18 14:32:49 <Wizzup_> Because just bitching about whatsapp isn't making anyone in here happy
Jun 18 14:32:52 <fishbulb> zero of these are open source
Jun 18 14:33:00 <Wizzup_> Yet another reason to spit on whatsapp
Jun 18 14:33:02 <fishbulb> none of them will ever work on the neo900
Jun 18 14:33:04 <Wizzup_> Cheers
Jun 18 14:33:22 <fishbulb> without some expenditure on the developers part probably
Jun 18 14:33:24 <fishbulb> which will never happen
Jun 18 14:33:30 <Wizzup_> It is only impossible because facebook doesn't want it to happen
Jun 18 14:33:39 <Wizzup_> They are super hostile towards third party implementations
Jun 18 14:33:49 <Wizzup_> So why don't you direct your anger at them instead
Jun 18 14:45:31 <KotCzarny> fishbulb, ever heard of http/ftp ?
Jun 18 14:45:33 <KotCzarny> or torrent?
Jun 18 14:46:39 <KotCzarny> wizzup: speaking from personal perspective, as everyone has something favourited regarding apps
Jun 18 14:49:53 <fishbulb> ftp to someone elses phone
Jun 18 14:50:01 <fishbulb> you realise phones are mainly for communicating to other people
Jun 18 14:50:27 <KotCzarny> just fucking get out and socialize with them face to face
Jun 18 14:50:46 <fishbulb> you live somewhere very small don't you
Jun 18 14:50:50 <Wizzup_> fishbulb: We are not here to fix your social problems, blame facebook for being agressive to third parties
Jun 18 14:51:36 <fishbulb> you aren't here to fix anything. all the apps that no longer work on the n900 will never work again
Jun 18 14:51:59 <KotCzarny> not true for open source 
Jun 18 14:52:09 <Wizzup_> fishbulb: Are you a prohpet?
Jun 18 14:52:17 <fishbulb> you're expecting this neo900 userbase to sort of materialise out of thin air
Jun 18 14:52:37 <Wizzup_> What are you on about
Jun 18 14:52:47 <fishbulb> there are how many n900 users still active
Jun 18 14:52:54 <Wizzup_> Like seriously, what do you wnat?
Jun 18 14:52:59 <Wizzup_> Are you upset your programs don't work? Fix them
Jun 18 14:53:27 <fishbulb> my programs work. these aren't my programs
Jun 18 14:53:30 <Wizzup_> Or do you think that the userbase you're talking about will grow just by whining here?
Jun 18 14:53:37 <KotCzarny> he cant, he is a hostage
Jun 18 14:55:24 <Wizzup_> For me, maemo works just fine. Could do with a more up to date browser/ssh, but that's really it. You can always run your own linux distro on it.
Jun 18 16:27:16 <Vajb> now when whatsapp is nolonger working with n900, guess what my mates invented? They started calling and sms'ing to me! How inconvient at 2016, right?
Jun 18 16:27:47 <Vajb> inconvinient, maybe...
Jun 18 16:28:17 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jun 18 16:28:35 <KotCzarny> awfully, do they also send you .. mms?
Jun 18 16:29:24 <Vajb> they do, rarely
Jun 18 16:29:31 <KotCzarny> how cruel of them
Jun 18 16:30:50 <Vajb> yeah. Im feeloing so old whenever they do ;)
Jun 18 16:30:56 <Vajb> feeling*
Jun 18 16:30:57 <KotCzarny> :)
Jun 18 16:32:24 <Vajb> all in all this day is turning to the irritating side
Jun 18 16:32:46 <KotCzarny> not good, mine on the other side goes quite well
Jun 18 16:32:52 <KotCzarny> trimmed TODO quite a bit
Jun 18 16:32:54 <Vajb> alltho i was able to fix my friends ipod i can't seem to fix my gps device
Jun 18 16:33:28 <Vajb> im beginning to think that flash drive is failing on this one
Jun 18 16:34:10 <Vajb> and poor thing is barely as old as my beloved n900...
Jun 18 17:47:54 <souljack> I wish the source of Teamspeak was available
Jun 18 17:48:14 <souljack> so it could be ported
Jun 18 18:03:05 <KotCzarny> write to them and ask for armel binary for glibc 2.5 ?
Jun 18 18:04:00 <luke-jr> lol
Jun 18 18:04:06 <luke-jr> or just use Mumble or something free?
Jun 18 18:07:40 <souljack> the problem is users luke-jr, when they're comfortable using one platform they won't just up and leave or use two concurrently
Jun 18 18:17:04 <Sicelo> i have DJ'ed for a small Internet radio station here in South Africa for about 4 weeks .. they are using a piece of rubbish called SAM Broadcaster Pro. damn thing has very nice interface, and works fine (when it does). But 99% of the time it crashes, skips tracks, or some such nonsense. so when i started, i asked the owner if i could use my own software, and the technical contact said nothing else can work, and i must use SAMBC .. after my first show, i c
Jun 18 18:17:44 <KotCzarny> sicelo: it got cut 'after my first show'
Jun 18 18:18:15 <Sicelo> get decent client :p
Jun 18 18:18:23 <KotCzarny> nope, it got cut :P
Jun 18 18:18:41 <Sicelo>  after my first show, i checked my the site (spacial.com) and found that actually any icecast client can work. so for my 2nd show i told them my SAMBC was broken (i lied, lol) and DJ'ed IDJC 
Jun 18 18:18:45 <Sicelo>                 (FOSS python application). i've since done all my subsequent shows through IDJC as SAMBC eventually did really break. but, all the other DJ's and technical contact still insist on SAMBC even though it gives 
Jun 18 18:18:49 <Sicelo>                 them hassles too.
Jun 18 18:18:52 <Sicelo> so yes, souljack is absolutely right.
Jun 18 18:19:17 * Sicelo will check logs
Jun 18 18:20:14 <KotCzarny> łogs
Jun 18 18:20:17 <KotCzarny> ~logs
Jun 18 18:20:21 <KotCzarny> ~ping
Jun 18 18:20:22 <infobot> All conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23maemo/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/
Jun 18 18:20:22 <infobot> ~pong
Jun 18 18:21:57 <KotCzarny> yup, i was right, its YOU that should get a decent client respecting server's rules about string lengths :P
Jun 18 18:22:52 <Sicelo> lol
Jun 18 18:23:07 <Sicelo> i've never known about any limit
Jun 18 18:23:28 <KotCzarny> they are usually in rfc and/or on server join
Jun 18 18:25:12 <Sicelo> while looking at logs i see a question i asked yesterday
Jun 18 18:25:44 <Sicelo> does anyone know: how does N900 'know' that a wireless network it is connected to has no Internet access? I've noticed that it will switch back to 3G/2G automatically when Internet connection goes down on the AP (the AP is still connected 'locally'). So N900 sends some pings or something?
Jun 18 18:29:52 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm there's actually only TOPICLEN=390 in the server capabilities info
Jun 18 18:30:50 <DocScrutinizer05> re AP without internet access: I never noticed maemo handling this
Jun 18 18:31:34 <Sicelo> it has happened to me a couple of times .. unless something else also took place :-/
Jun 18 18:31:50 <Sicelo> i do notice that my WLAN is a little flaky of late
Jun 18 18:31:57 <Sicelo> will test further
Jun 18 18:32:34 <KotCzarny> sicelo, new neighbours maybe?
Jun 18 18:33:12 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: check if your AP drops WLAN when the uplink goes down
Jun 18 18:33:34 <KotCzarny> IRC messages are always lines of characters terminated with a CR-LF
Jun 18 18:33:34 <KotCzarny>    (Carriage Return - Line Feed) pair, and these messages SHALL NOT
Jun 18 18:33:34 <KotCzarny>    exceed 512 characters in length, counting all characters including
Jun 18 18:33:34 <KotCzarny>    the trailing CR-LF. Thus, there are 510 characters maximum allowed
Jun 18 18:33:34 <KotCzarny>    for the command and its parameters.  There is no provision for
Jun 18 18:33:35 <KotCzarny>    continuation of message lines
Jun 18 18:33:39 <KotCzarny> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2812#section-2.3
Jun 18 18:33:57 <Sicelo> i've just killed the internet to it ..
Jun 18 18:34:04 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly DHCP in AP might just proxy to a higher DHCP server at ISP
Jun 18 18:39:21 <DocScrutinizer05> 123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-
Jun 18 18:39:22 <DocScrutinizer05> 123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789-123456789#501_505_509_513_517
Jun 18 18:39:34 <DocScrutinizer05> hmmmm
Jun 18 18:40:38 <DocScrutinizer05> looks like 440
Jun 18 18:41:33 <DocScrutinizer05> but obviously that's Konversation doing that
Jun 18 18:44:34 <DocScrutinizer05> echo "i have DJ'ed for a small Internet radio station here in South Africa for about 4 weeks .. they are using a piece of rubbish called SAM Broadcaster Pro. damn thing has very nice interface, and works fine (when it does). But 99% of the time it crashes, skips tracks, or some such nonsense. so when i started, i asked the owner if i could use my own software, and the technical contact said nothing else can work, and i must use SAMBC .. 
Jun 18 18:44:36 <DocScrutinizer05> after my first show, i c"|wc -c
Jun 18 18:44:37 <DocScrutinizer05> 460
Jun 18 18:46:08 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly the remaining 50 chars are needed for IRC msg header
Jun 18 18:46:23 <APic> IRC > 9*
Jun 18 18:46:25 <APic> 8,1☺
Jun 18 18:46:38 <KotCzarny> f13e06e04l07i08n09g03 10l11u10c03k09y08?
Jun 18 18:46:40 <APic> Yah
Jun 18 18:46:48 * APic playing at the http://JuNetHack.Net
Jun 18 18:46:53 <APic> *Delight*
Jun 18 18:47:09 <KotCzarny> 07g04o06o13d06 04o07l08'09 03m10i11r10c03 09d08a07y04s
Jun 18 18:47:32 <DocScrutinizer05> please don't
Jun 18 18:49:04 <KotCzarny> hmm, forgot which char was doing the terminal blink
Jun 18 18:49:10 <KotCzarny> i guess i'm old
Jun 18 18:49:13 <DocScrutinizer05> please don't
Jun 18 18:49:45 <DocScrutinizer05> other clients might act weird to such stuff
Jun 18 18:49:52 <KotCzarny> even google isnt showing anything meaningful, which says a lot
Jun 18 18:50:54 <RST38h> ^G
Jun 18 18:50:59 <KotCzarny> thats bell
Jun 18 18:51:05 <RST38h> Also makes terminal blink.
Jun 18 18:51:10 <KotCzarny> does it?
Jun 18 18:51:14 <DocScrutinizer05> depends
Jun 18 18:51:22 <RST38h> That is a way to show bell with sound disabled
Jun 18 18:51:23 <KotCzarny> there was a separate mode for terminal blink
Jun 18 18:51:31 <Wizzup_> 20:49 < DocScrutinizer05> other clients might act weird to such stuff
Jun 18 18:51:32 <DocScrutinizer05> but please don't send crap in channel
Jun 18 18:51:34 <RST38h> Do you just want blink character attribute though?
Jun 18 18:51:37 <Wizzup_> Shouldn't the clients be fixed?
Jun 18 18:51:51 <KotCzarny> i think only screen was acting weird on asc(132)
Jun 18 18:52:29 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup_: I'm going to ruthlessly ban anybody that makes other clients segfault on purpose
Jun 18 18:53:12 <Wizzup_> A terminal blink shouldn't make any client segfault.
Jun 18 18:53:30 <DocScrutinizer05> a terminal blink shouldn't get posted in a channel
Jun 18 18:53:41 * Wizzup_ sighs
Jun 18 18:54:05 <RST38h> Kot: ESC[5m
Jun 18 18:54:10 <KotCzarny> good ol' terminal days
Jun 18 18:54:14 <RST38h> Enjoy
Jun 18 18:54:27 <KotCzarny> and era of BUGGED terminal EMULATORS
Jun 18 18:54:32 <DocScrutinizer05> this is an ascii only channel, and I enabled color only since users seemed to be mature enough to not abuse it
Jun 18 18:54:50 <KotCzarny> doc: ascii? what about utf?
Jun 18 18:55:00 <DocScrutinizer05> deprecated
Jun 18 18:55:07 <RST38h> Kot: In order to understand this phenomena, look at the official VT220 programming manual
Jun 18 18:55:08 <Wizzup_> ☺
Jun 18 18:55:15 <KotCzarny> rst, i know, i know
Jun 18 18:55:24 <RST38h> Kot: Better have someone with you though, in the case of a bad trip
Jun 18 18:55:37 <Sicelo> what causes the popup for usb mode to not come up sometimes? :-/
Jun 18 18:55:45 <Wizzup_> Sicelo: bad usb connection/port
Jun 18 18:55:52 <Wizzup_> or cable
Jun 18 18:55:53 <DocScrutinizer05> [Support] CASEMAPPING=rfc1459 CHARSET=ascii
Jun 18 18:55:59 <KotCzarny> wizzup, sicelo: sometimes daemon goes stuck
Jun 18 18:56:11 <DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ freenode server cappanilities
Jun 18 18:56:14 <DocScrutinizer05> period
Jun 18 18:56:32 <Sicelo> any known way to restart 'daemon' ?
Jun 18 18:56:33 <DocScrutinizer05> capabilities even
Jun 18 18:56:54 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: /etc/init.d/daemon restart
Jun 18 18:57:36 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: reason: often a race condition
Jun 18 18:58:21 <DocScrutinizer05> the kernel module(?) is testing D+/- short same time it detects VBUS
Jun 18 18:58:31 <DocScrutinizer05> or sth along that line
Jun 18 18:59:09 <DocScrutinizer05> though this particular race makes requester come up when mating charger
Jun 18 18:59:47 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm almost sure dbus drops signals every now and then
Jun 18 19:00:02 <Wizzup_> 20:56 < DocScrutinizer05> ^^^ freenode server cappanilities
Jun 18 19:00:02 <Wizzup_> 20:56 < DocScrutinizer05> period
Jun 18 19:00:06 <Wizzup_> that is only for nicknames and such
Jun 18 19:00:08 <DocScrutinizer05> particularly on heavy CPU load
Jun 18 19:00:22 <Sicelo> it has come just a while ago while connecting charger
Jun 18 19:00:23 <KotCzarny> wizzup, rfc?
Jun 18 19:00:27 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup_: that is also chan policy
Jun 18 19:00:43 <Sicelo> sometimes i also feel like simply thrashing the N900 and live normally :p
Jun 18 19:01:03 <KotCzarny> sicelo, ref;lash!
Jun 18 19:01:04 <KotCzarny> ;)
Jun 18 19:01:14 <Wizzup_> DocScrutinizer05: you're going to ban everyone who uses unicode¿
Jun 18 19:01:16 <KotCzarny> but any phone has bugs
Jun 18 19:01:28 <DocScrutinizer05> no. unicode is just deprecated
Jun 18 19:01:40 <Wizzup_> That's not even remotely funny
Jun 18 19:01:42 <DocScrutinizer05> just like excessive use of color
Jun 18 19:01:49 <Wizzup_> And a very western way of thinking
Jun 18 19:01:54 <Sicelo> lol ... won't play with reflash when this is happening .. what if i do have a broken USB (again) 
Jun 18 19:01:56 <Wizzup_> 'It coverrs our latin character set'
Jun 18 19:01:58 <Sicelo> got to be sure first
Jun 18 19:02:11 <KotCzarny> sicelo, easiest test: reboot
Jun 18 19:02:30 <Wizzup_> Sicelo: you should fix your cables so they are less likely to break your port, btw
Jun 18 19:02:33 <KotCzarny> wizzup, ascii doesnt cover latin afair
Jun 18 19:02:44 <Sicelo> oh my .. now suddenly fine
Jun 18 19:02:52 * Sicelo looks at the trash bin
Jun 18 19:03:27 <KotCzarny> ISO 8859 includes the 128 ASCII characters along with an additional 128 characters
Jun 18 19:03:29 <Wizzup_> KotCzarny: æ
Jun 18 19:04:02 <KotCzarny> btw. escape/terminal codes ARE ascii
Jun 18 19:04:08 <Wizzup_> :p yep
Jun 18 19:04:39 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup_: there are channel policies that are defined by chanops. Those are basically just "don't act like a dick". Plain ascii with an occasional unicode is ok. somebody starting to write chinese here, using ascii graphics, puposely sending rogue unicode sequences that are known to make some clients segfault, etc, will earn them a ban
Jun 18 19:04:43 <DocScrutinizer05> pretty simple
Jun 18 19:06:22 <Wizzup_> I don't see sending colours or using unicode as being a dick, but your weird strict stance on it does qualify as such
Jun 18 19:06:29 <Wizzup_> w/e
Jun 18 19:06:37 <DocScrutinizer05> non-printable chars like ESC don't belong into an IRC channel
Jun 18 19:06:50 <Wizzup_> Neither do clients that segfault on unstrusted input
Jun 18 19:06:53 <KotCzarny> is space printable?
Jun 18 19:08:03 <KotCzarny> wizzup, good ol' ATZ days
Jun 18 19:08:45 <DocScrutinizer05> Wizzup_: are you practicing trolling? when I send you a worm since your OS has an open port, you won't agree with me that I'm completely right in doing so and it's entirely your problem to fix the vulnerability. Should the vuln get fixed? YES. Should anybody exploit it on purpose? DAMN NO!
Jun 18 19:09:27 <Wizzup_> I never said I was in favour of people attempting to crash a client, but just sending colour codes and such does not equate to attempts to crash a client...
Jun 18 19:10:20 <DocScrutinizer05> that's why I said "Please don't" instead of setting the channel /mode -c or banning anybody
Jun 18 19:10:42 <RST38h> Doc <== being too polite
Jun 18 19:11:24 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: :-D
Jun 18 19:11:29 <RST38h> Wizzup: People do not like seeing your blinking, flashing, beeping, unicoding technicolor shit.
Jun 18 19:11:39 <RST38h> Wizzup: Which part you do not understand?
Jun 18 19:12:00 <KotCzarny> rst, you didnt get it
Jun 18 19:12:01 <Wizzup_> Speaking of practicing trolling...
Jun 18 19:12:07 * Wizzup_ is amazed
Jun 18 19:12:09 <KotCzarny> unless it got deeper
Jun 18 19:12:12 <Sicelo> technicolor :p
Jun 18 19:12:14 <Sicelo> haha
Jun 18 19:12:22 <RST38h> Kot: Did I forget "crashing" part? =)
Jun 18 19:12:46 <KotCzarny> i would bet on theoretizing, but that would take fun away
Jun 18 19:13:00 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: apropos, it seems xchat still vulnerable to rogue string
Jun 18 19:13:13 <RST38h> Kot: Nah, the key is to produce more pandemonium with less text.
Jun 18 19:13:24 <KotCzarny> so, asc(132) ?
Jun 18 19:13:38 <KotCzarny> hard to get into fewer than 1 char
Jun 18 19:13:41 <RST38h> Doc: Have just been doing JavaScript for the last week. I can believe anything about it by now.
Jun 18 19:15:00 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/clean-N900xchat-scrollback-from-rogue-string.sh  could you have a look?
Jun 18 19:15:17 <DocScrutinizer05> ancient crap, but seemingly still an issue on maemo xchat
Jun 18 19:17:51 <RST38h> Doc: checkout entry for "^" here https://github.com/0intro/drawterm/blob/master/latin1.c
Jun 18 19:18:57 <RST38h> It contains that rogue sequence
Jun 18 19:19:12 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm, how to implement it into maemo?
Jun 18 19:19:57 <RST38h> This is what DrawTerm is: http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/Drawterm/index.html
Jun 18 19:21:42 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, I don't understand what's the suggested way to fix the issue in maemo, in particular
Jun 18 19:21:59 <RST38h> I am not trying to fix it, merely trying to figure out the cause
Jun 18 19:22:23 <RST38h> It is a very specific string with no obvious meaning, so it must be some magic number of sorts
Jun 18 19:22:59 <DocScrutinizer05> prolly, yes. I suspect a null pointer thanks to some illegal codepage or somesuch
Jun 18 19:23:47 <RST38h> The shell code itself is really not that simple
Jun 18 19:23:52 <DocScrutinizer05> iirc (it's long time since back when) the issue was in gtk, not in the app
Jun 18 19:24:17 <RST38h> It contains a line of non-ascii chars
Jun 18 19:24:46 <RST38h> 0xC3XX then 0xE1XX
Jun 18 19:24:58 <RST38h> They are not ASCII and not UTF-8
Jun 18 19:25:38 <RST38h> Doc: what version is Maemo XChat right now?
Jun 18 19:26:47 <RST38h> Other question: Can you make it crash with a coredump, then quickly look at the coredump with gdb, do a "bt" and tell me what the stack looks like?
Jun 18 19:27:27 <DocScrutinizer05> (version) good question. Could I find out on cmdline?
Jun 18 19:28:26 <RST38h> Dunno. Since I do not have Maemo dev environment any more, nor do I have a Maemo device handy, need version number and relevant stack trace to look at this issue.
Jun 18 19:30:15 <DocScrutinizer05> dang, forgot to connect my N900 to charger
Jun 18 19:31:30 * DocScrutinizer05 ponders how to make WLAN & sshd start before PIN dialog
Jun 18 19:32:11 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# xchat --version
Jun 18 19:32:12 <DocScrutinizer05> xchat 2.8.6
Jun 18 19:33:00 <DocScrutinizer05> now for the coredump/bt
Jun 18 19:33:17 <DocScrutinizer05> I'd rather run it under gdb to start with
Jun 18 19:33:55 <RST38h> either way is fine
Jun 18 19:33:55 <KotCzarny> 2.8.8 compiles out of the box, but xchat IS old already and unmaintained mostly
Jun 18 19:33:57 <DocScrutinizer05> if only I had gdb installed on N900 :-(
Jun 18 19:34:03 <KotCzarny> there are alternatives 
Jun 18 19:34:52 <RST38h> pulled 2.8.6 sources for now, to stay true to what Doc is running. Just need the stack trace
Jun 18 19:35:25 <KotCzarny> also, it might be something maemo related too
Jun 18 19:35:35 <KotCzarny> try 2.8.6 on pc just to be sure
Jun 18 19:36:53 <RST38h> given the contents of that shell script, some glibc/gtk mumbo jumbo fails trying to process the string containing >127 chars
Jun 18 19:37:25 <RST38h> most likely because it either treats char as signed (negative offset => illegal offset) or has some table that is [128] in size
Jun 18 19:37:54 <RST38h> Other wonderful possibilities exist but are less likely (stack trace will tell)
Jun 18 19:38:55 <Sicelo> i wonder what happened with xchat .. it's got probably the best looks of all linux IRC clients .. :-/
Jun 18 19:39:19 <DocScrutinizer05> RST38h: doesn't look promising:
Jun 18 19:39:21 <DocScrutinizer05> (gdb) run
Jun 18 19:39:23 <DocScrutinizer05> Starting program: /usr/bin/xchat 
Jun 18 19:39:24 <DocScrutinizer05> warning: Unable to find libthread_db matching inferior's thread library, thread debugging will not be available.
Jun 18 19:39:26 <DocScrutinizer05> warning: Unable to find libthread_db matching inferior's thread library, thread debugging will not be available.
Jun 18 19:39:33 <RST38h> Sicelo: Maintainer moved on. New "open source heroes" no longer know how to program in C
Jun 18 19:39:51 <Sicelo> sucks 
Jun 18 19:40:04 <KotCzarny> sicelo, irssi
Jun 18 19:40:16 <KotCzarny> learn, use
Jun 18 19:40:35 <Sicelo> i use irssi of course, lol .. but xchat does look nice, although i've never made it *my* client
Jun 18 19:41:59 <DocScrutinizer05> sorry, no segfault triggered by rogue string in /query
Jun 18 19:45:50 <Sicelo> after 1 hour, N900 didn't disconnect from AP .. so guess i was spreading FUD :p
Jun 18 19:46:01 <RST38h> try more traffic =)
Jun 18 19:46:02 <KotCzarny> same for usb ca ble :P
Jun 18 19:46:10 <KotCzarny> told you, new neighbours
Jun 18 19:46:20 <KotCzarny> and their emi
Jun 18 19:46:37 <Sicelo> cable did have real problem .. i restarted ke-recv to 'fix' it
Jun 18 19:48:01 <DocScrutinizer05> 0x1DCD 0x1E12 seems strange in that sequence. Even my recent linux PC shell acts up and behaves strange when moving cursor over it
Jun 18 19:48:59 <DocScrutinizer05> so maybe my assertion that xchat still is vulnerable to this rogue string was incorrect
Jun 18 19:51:21 <Sicelo> FUD :)
Jun 18 19:51:28 <DocScrutinizer05> anyway sorry, I can't make it segfault
Jun 18 19:51:44 <RST38h> hm
Jun 18 19:53:03 <APic> FUD > 9*
Jun 19 01:47:53 <DocScrutinizer05> errr, a snapper diff between two snapshots of a drive with 800GB data takes a while to complete
Jun 19 01:49:42 <DocScrutinizer05> a tad counter-intuative but actually there's obviously no shortcut way to tell what files changed between two btrfs snapshots
Jun 19 01:57:26 <DocScrutinizer05> they should issue a warning and a progress bar
Jun 19 01:58:57 <DocScrutinizer05> \o/ finished
Jun 19 02:45:56 * DocScrutinizer05 pukes
Jun 19 02:46:06 <DocScrutinizer05> IroN900:~# grep -c "GLIB MESSAGE Tracker" /var/log/syslog
Jun 19 02:46:07 <DocScrutinizer05> 47857
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