**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 23 02:59:57 2016 Jun 23 04:00:39 Hi all help please Jun 23 04:00:42 https://bpaste.net/show/6adec7ab162b Jun 23 04:01:09 Repo only maemo devel extras Jun 23 04:09:57 NEVER EVER do apt-get dist-upgrade Jun 23 04:12:57 not even apt-get upgrade Jun 23 04:13:44 https://bpaste.net/show/6adec7ab162b which repositories to install that would make everything run smoothly? Jun 23 04:13:54 maemo repos are _not_ maintained to support those 'usual' debian versioning schemes. Particularly whole maemo is one huge metapackage Jun 23 04:14:20 nothing will make apt-get (dist-)upgrade run smoothliy Jun 23 04:14:28 ~jrrepos Jun 23 04:14:29 from memory, jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Jun 23 04:15:28 what is it? Jun 23 04:15:37 never do apt-get autoremove either Jun 23 04:16:10 you probably already messed up your system fubar Jun 23 04:16:21 by dist-upgrade & autoremove Jun 23 04:17:22 ((what is it)) isn't the webpage clear enough on what it is? Jun 23 04:18:17 DocScrutinizer05: thanks,I worked on the principle of Debian Jun 23 04:18:29 that doesn't pan out for maemo Jun 23 04:19:20 Nokia introduced / used a quite 'inventive' mess of handling dependencies and updates in maemo Jun 23 04:19:53 not compatible with what you'd expect was 'the right thing' to do, from Debian Jun 23 04:20:06 I know what is .install but do not understand what and why they are needed Jun 23 04:20:28 Nokia's base repos are no more Jun 23 04:20:31 that's why Jun 23 04:20:49 ~repos Jun 23 04:20:50 from memory, repos is "deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ ;; deb http://maemo.muarf.org/apt-mirror/mirror/downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0/ ./", or see http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories, or see ~jrrepos Jun 23 04:21:41 muarf is a mirror to catch up the fallout of Nokia repos gone south Jun 23 04:22:00 lemme try... Jun 23 04:22:01 ~mp Jun 23 04:22:02 somebody said mp was Northern Mariana Islands Jun 23 04:22:06 meh, fail Jun 23 04:22:14 DocScrutinizer05: that is autoremove not to do? Jun 23 04:22:25 please rephrase Jun 23 04:24:59 Note Carefully: [2016-06-23 Thu 06:16:09] you probably already messed up your system fubar by dist-upgrade & autoremove Jun 23 04:25:27 a reflash is the commonly recommended fix for that Jun 23 04:25:56 ah ok Jun 23 04:26:01 DocScrutinizer05: sorry ,I badly understand and write in English , I am not a developer and just a person who loves everything with open source Jun 23 04:26:41 ty :) Jun 23 04:26:49 a rule of thumb: with apt-get the only safe options basically are 'update' and 'install' Jun 23 04:27:06 and possibly "purge" Jun 23 04:27:19 though that depends on what you're purging Jun 23 04:27:47 everything is clear,tell me the last question, what is the latest version of the OS? Jun 23 04:28:07 please resort to Hildon Application Manager, which takes care to protect you from the nastiness in apt-get and the Nokia way of maintaining repos Jun 23 04:28:26 latest version official is pr1.3 Jun 23 04:28:30 ~pr13 Jun 23 04:28:36 ~pr1.3 Jun 23 04:28:36 it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Jun 23 04:29:02 the recommended latest update is CSSU though Jun 23 04:29:04 ~cssu Jun 23 04:29:04 i heard cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU, or (Community Seamless Software Update) Jun 23 04:29:39 CSSU is no complete OS release but only a update, as the name suggests Jun 23 04:29:49 ah ok Jun 23 04:29:50 it's based on PR1.3 Jun 23 04:30:19 DocScrutinizer05: thanks :) Jun 23 04:30:29 yw :) Jun 23 04:31:38 just for the records: actually the truly last and latest PR is 1.3.1 Jun 23 04:31:55 included in CSSU though, so it doesn't make a difference Jun 23 04:32:23 ~pr1.3.1 Jun 23 04:32:24 somebody said combined was the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jun 23 04:34:29 2016 Jun 23 04:34:46 lazyflashing is easy and fast, and installing CSSU is also not hard Jun 23 04:34:47 I do not understand all this ,I had to read Jun 23 04:35:57 well, when you assume that flashing is a full new start and you accept to lose all your data and configs, you can safely ignore the very fine info in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware and just do what the last section tells you Jun 23 04:36:57 if you have problems understanding what to do, please don't hesitate to ask *first* before you try anything Jun 23 04:37:53 in here we usually prefer talking newcomers through a standard install, than to talk them through a complicated system fixing session ;-) Jun 23 04:38:24 :) understood Jun 23 04:38:49 so whatever the topic - if in doubt, please *ask* Jun 23 04:39:32 (after trying to understand the HowTo/manula/readme/whatever) Jun 23 04:41:46 vahe1: you say you're not a developer, but I understand you're moderately familiar with commandline/shell? so maybe you benefit from my terse "HowTo" at Jun 23 04:41:49 ~jrtools Jun 23 04:41:50 extra, extra, read all about it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jun 23 04:42:18 if that's getting too complicated, just stop reading ;-) Jun 23 04:43:39 maemo for me just a hobby, and Yes I like to use gnu/linux and all that freesoftware Jun 23 04:44:18 but all you have shown is very difficult and we must all learn and I have not much time to learn Jun 23 04:45:52 I installed using maemo flasher Jun 23 04:46:38 https://cloud.mail.ru/public/C1CJ/ehhyHojrf Jun 23 04:46:50 this is an old? Jun 23 04:48:27 I don't know for sure off top of my head if that's recent or not. please use lazyflashing, it takes care about everything Jun 23 04:49:44 ah ok Jun 23 04:50:04 I released version3 some time ago, that even takes care about the library issues Jun 23 04:50:55 it's really as simple as copy&paste this one commandline into terminal on linux PC, and then follow the intructions Jun 23 04:51:39 it is difficult for me lazyflashing Jun 23 04:51:46 hwy? Jun 23 04:51:49 why? Jun 23 04:52:30 flasherbole more convenient Jun 23 04:52:40 never heard of that Jun 23 04:52:52 is there a video instruction? lazyflashing Jun 23 04:53:19 honestly, it's just "copy and paste the command line into terminal, hit " Jun 23 04:54:00 just do it. When any questions ariste during the process, pretty please come here and ask me so I can improve the script Jun 23 04:56:38 you don't need to learn anything except copy&paste for lazyflashing Jun 23 04:57:24 (wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/maemo-my-private-workdir.tgz -O - 2>/dev/null| tar xvz)&&cd maemo-my-private-workdir&&sudo ./flash-it-all.sh Jun 23 04:57:26 yes/ Jun 23 04:57:43 looks about right Jun 23 04:57:57 for full flashing the answer is YES, not yes Jun 23 04:58:10 but you probably don't need full flashing Jun 23 04:58:45 that is, it is only necessary to write in the terminal computer ,and need to connect the phone to the computer Jun 23 04:58:56 the damage done to your system will get fixed by a COMBINED only flashing Jun 23 04:59:10 yes, like the instructions say Jun 23 04:59:26 the instructions will tell you when and how to connect phone Jun 23 05:00:07 this team is clear, but where is the firmware? Jun 23 05:00:19 the script fetches it Jun 23 05:00:30 this command will download the firmware? Jun 23 05:00:36 if yes Jun 23 05:00:40 yes Jun 23 05:00:41 ok) Jun 23 05:00:57 it's really as simple as I told you Jun 23 05:01:14 you don't need to worry about anything, just do the C&P Jun 23 05:01:22 the rest is interactive instruction Jun 23 05:02:58 DocScrutinizer05: min Jun 23 05:02:58 let's ask Jun 23 05:02:58 1. is there a way to fix the problem of "upgrade" and which repositories you need to install that all worked Jun 23 05:02:58 2. I want to update to 1.3.1 Jun 23 05:03:40 1. click ~jrrepo Jun 23 05:03:44 ~jrrepos Jun 23 05:03:44 it has been said that jrrepos is http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/ Jun 23 05:03:46 ok Jun 23 05:03:54 2: the script does that Jun 23 05:04:23 there are 6 pieces Jun 23 05:04:35 how to install everything? Jun 23 05:04:58 1. this is: in N900 open internet browser, click on http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install Jun 23 05:05:12 ah~ ok Jun 23 05:05:15 this is all you need Jun 23 05:06:46 #1 lazyflashing, #2 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/recommended.install , #2 CSSU install Jun 23 05:06:58 #3 the last one Jun 23 05:07:38 ooh, I should add that to thelazyflashing intructions :-) Jun 23 05:08:06 :) Jun 23 05:08:28 well, it's in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#The_Lazy_Approach Jun 23 05:08:51 I saved the instructions ,if there are problems will make the firmware already so Jun 23 05:09:21 please rephrase Jun 23 05:09:36 but like you said now I don't need another firmware Jun 23 05:09:54 did I? Jun 23 05:10:07 I will keep manual flashing Jun 23 05:10:21 then I can't help Jun 23 05:10:44 but you said now I don't have the firmware yet ,so I kept just for the future Jun 23 05:11:02 sorry, you lost me Jun 23 05:11:25 now do the user manual .intall and solve problems upgrage Jun 23 05:11:52 I smell flase assumptions Jun 23 05:11:57 false* Jun 23 05:12:46 we don't understand each other, thank you, everything is clear :) Jun 23 05:12:55 thanks DocScrutinizer05 :) bye Jun 23 18:10:18 KotCzarny: is it possible to control oscp via shortcutd? Jun 23 20:46:48 Hello, Any clue why skype telepathy crashes when switching to video on a call? Jun 23 20:47:53 codec maybe? Jun 23 20:48:21 entire app fails Jun 23 20:48:52 ask Oksana when she comes, i am not the maemo user experiencing the issue but the testing partner Jun 23 20:49:45 SIP doesnt seem to work because i receive nothing when she attempts to call me Jun 23 20:50:33 also, if she calls me on google talk it doesnt work but if i do it does and no video Jun 23 20:50:41 Ideas? Jun 23 20:52:38 i think i've experienced that skype crash too .. i think it's a codec problem that then causes a hang .. i never troubleshooted further (i don't really use skype) Jun 23 20:53:17 audio works great btw Jun 23 20:53:27 yes :) Jun 23 20:53:49 google talk issue is sort of weirder Jun 23 20:54:23 because only if i call it connects properly, if she calls me it drops as soon i answer the call Jun 23 20:54:39 i am using Jitsi on windows Jun 23 20:54:45 and skype 6 fyi Jun 23 20:55:06 Should i try with a older version of skype? Jun 23 20:55:34 let me know what you find .. i don't really have anyone to test with because almost no one uses skype here. the one person who has an account hardly ever logs in Jun 23 20:55:46 (it's a battery drain on N900 btw) Jun 23 20:55:52 :( Jun 23 20:57:12 thanks sicelo, i'll try later Jun 23 20:57:20 you have syslog? Jun 23 20:57:38 No idea Jun 23 20:57:55 install it, and maybe dbus-monitor .. they might give you clues Jun 23 20:57:57 you can ask her in about two hours btw Jun 23 20:58:15 oh .. so Oksana is the one with problem? Jun 23 20:58:33 Yes, I am with her but she's the maemo user not me Jun 23 20:58:36 (/me didn't know is a "she") Jun 23 20:58:46 lol Jun 23 20:58:47 nvm Jun 23 20:58:55 i see .. now i get the relevance of jitsi :p Jun 23 20:58:56 its a russian name :) Jun 23 20:59:40 using linphone client for sip anyway, but jitsi does sip and google talk :) Jun 23 21:00:51 she can install those two i suggested Jun 23 21:00:57 maybe they'll give a clue Jun 23 21:01:08 ok Jun 23 21:13:23 stock SIP works just fine for me Jun 23 21:21:19 Well no idea, using Linphone.org and it doesnt work Jun 23 21:21:33 i dont receive calls on the pc Jun 23 21:24:51 * Sicelo has two SIP accounts (free) .. no one to call, haha Jun 23 21:27:08 And apparently i cant call to other networks because it asks authentication :| Jun 23 21:29:52 Sicelo: linphone.org? Jun 23 21:29:58 i have that too Jun 23 21:30:03 Well, it does work but its sort of flacky :( Jun 23 21:30:26 want to call? i've just put it online .. id is the same as my nick Jun 23 21:30:28 * Juest feels dumb Jun 23 21:30:45 Okay, with jitsi i'll try Jun 23 21:31:41 Connecting... Jun 23 21:32:35 Nothing happens :s Jun 23 21:32:47 hmm Jun 23 21:33:15 sip:@sip.linphone.org? Jun 23 21:33:50 Yes Jun 23 21:34:12 and sip: is optional Jun 23 21:34:15 or maybe not Jun 23 21:35:09 on my N900, only ever used sip with my asterisk server (3 years ago) ... never really used this linphone account Jun 23 21:35:20 pm me yours i'll try to call Jun 23 21:35:35 Sicelo: Did a notice... lol Jun 23 21:36:57 There it is Jun 23 21:37:06 (i am using stereo mix for microphone) Jun 23 21:37:16 i'll try now... Jun 23 21:37:28 lol .. my battery died Jun 23 21:37:29 (linphone) oh, on PC. well I tested all that was available, like 10 years ago, and finally ended at twinklephone which evolved to become the defacto reference implementation carriers use to test their own services against Jun 23 21:37:47 Apparently i have issues making calls with Jitsi Jun 23 21:37:58 as well as receiving calls via google talk Jun 23 21:38:01 lol rip Jun 23 21:38:38 Thank you anyway buddy Jun 23 21:39:28 my battery clearly has too much internal resistance .. had 26% Jun 23 21:39:39 Juest: so did you get a call at least? Jun 23 21:39:42 only downside of twinklephone: it makes thorough use of ALSA unique features which are not available under PukeAudio's crappy ALSA emu Jun 23 21:39:49 Yes, i got a call but i cant call you Jun 23 21:40:04 And my SGS4 GT-I9500 battery sucks Jun 23 21:40:18 when you can't call out, your registrar server is not working Jun 23 21:40:18 how do you do it? i used the format above .. Jun 23 21:40:20 i cant use the phone for long periods of time else it drops dead Jun 23 21:40:40 I am putting just @sip.linphone.org Jun 23 21:40:46 which is the correct way Jun 23 21:40:53 Juest: yes, what DocScrutinizer05 is saying .. linpohone is actually very fussy even on N900 Jun 23 21:41:00 sip: prefix is accepted too Jun 23 21:41:08 check your configs :) Jun 23 21:41:12 Tried ekiga which was worse Jun 23 21:41:14 sip.linphone.org, ojmy Jun 23 21:41:15 Jitsi. Jun 23 21:41:29 On Windows Jun 23 21:41:34 i thought sip: was mandatory .. but then .. /me doesn't use SIP .. wish I would, but no one wants to use it Jun 23 21:41:56 there were several such crappy "community originated services", I recall ekiga which also never really worked Jun 23 21:42:32 it is mandatory somewhere else, i am not sure where Jun 23 21:42:42 yes, ekiga can't work on N900 due to some setting they need, and N900 can't be set for it Jun 23 21:42:56 ekiga only supports a certain REGISTER approach Jun 23 21:42:59 I'm talking about the servers Jun 23 21:43:02 not the client Jun 23 21:43:18 you know, SIP oughta be SIP Jun 23 21:43:40 twinklephone can do it all Jun 23 21:43:54 it has a bazillion config options Jun 23 21:44:04 DocScrutinizer05: that's a server? or service? :) Jun 23 21:44:05 to accomodate the last idiotic server Jun 23 21:44:18 twinklephone.org Jun 23 21:44:37 err .com Jun 23 21:44:53 http://www.twinklephone.com/ Jun 23 21:45:06 ah, client Jun 23 21:46:21 I'm using it with https://www.sipgate.de/ service Jun 23 21:46:33 since like 10 years, always works Jun 23 21:46:47 Oh well Jun 23 21:47:06 So what SIP free service i should use/be using!? Jun 23 21:47:17 * Juest hates himself Jun 23 21:47:19 Juest: if N900 can do it, then Jitsi should be able .. just recheck your settings. :) Jun 23 21:47:34 its just stuck on Connecting Jun 23 21:48:41 Auto DTMF, REGISTER keep-alive, no authorization name, support for encrypted calls enabled (zrtp), SIMPLE presence Jun 23 21:48:48 These are the settings Jun 23 21:48:50 Juest: (which service) that clearly depends on where you're living Jun 23 21:49:15 There's barely services.... Jun 23 21:49:22 I am in argentina Jun 23 21:49:35 Oksana's in Australia... Jun 23 21:49:42 also completely free services are very likely to be shitty, since nobody has something to give away for free Jun 23 21:49:52 lel Jun 23 21:50:24 most of them are european Jun 23 21:50:34 transport - udp, outbound proxy - sip.linphone.org, port 5060, loose routing, REGISTER keep alive, Jun 23 21:50:49 linphone uses TLS Jun 23 21:50:56 I guess there must be international commercial services available now that allow call-out for tiny money, free call-in, and of course free intra-service calls Jun 23 21:51:23 free world dialup comes to mind, dunno if that still exists Jun 23 21:51:29 Juest: can you call others besides Oksana? also, our N900 doesn't do ZRTP. as for TLS .. dunno .. but what i showed above are the 'working' settings that are currently on my n900 Jun 23 21:51:52 No clue about working ZRTP and sip.linphone.org is the registar Jun 23 21:51:59 Dont have anyone else Jun 23 21:52:10 hehe, twinkle was the first client to implement ZRTP Jun 23 21:52:15 Well, i do but different networks doesnt work well Jun 23 21:52:31 from linphone official client it asks me Realm Authentication Jun 23 21:52:58 get twinkle Jun 23 21:53:01 Yes, theres still dial-up DocScrutinizer05, but most phones dont have such function Jun 23 21:53:10 huh? Jun 23 21:53:15 true dial-up which is phone call based Jun 23 21:53:32 you lost me Jun 23 21:53:38 > free world dialup comes to mind, dunno if that still exists Jun 23 21:53:59 * Sicelo drifts off to other things ... Jun 23 21:54:10 "freworld-dialup" is a company: fwd or somesuch Jun 23 21:54:12 let me know if you/Oksana ever find anything about the skype problem Jun 23 21:54:20 Sure. Jun 23 21:54:31 laters sicelo Jun 23 21:54:39 have a good night man Jun 23 21:55:01 i've ordered two supposedly original batteries .. getting them next week. i hope my N900 will get normal agin Jun 23 21:55:04 *again Jun 23 21:55:50 http://www.freeworlddialup.com/ Jun 23 21:56:47 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Free+World+Dialup Jun 23 21:58:09 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Sip+Trunking+Providers Jun 23 22:01:35 * Juest checks out Jun 23 22:02:40 and again, twinkle. Eventually Michel deBoer implemented a setup wizard for some VoIP provider who probably paid for that to offer a decent client to their customers. Might still work Jun 23 22:04:07 with twinkle on both ends, decent DynDNS or fixed IP, and a tad of NAT fiddling, you could even do direct IP2IP SIP, without any registrar Jun 23 22:04:22 :p Jun 23 22:05:18 if by any chance you could use the german locale in twinkle, try it. It's *awesome* (and by me ;-P ) Jun 23 22:06:06 suse has twinkle1.9 Jun 23 22:06:42 lol Jun 23 22:07:14 nfc what they did for twinkle 1.5 to 1.8 Jun 23 22:09:44 I guess i should disable encryption thing Jun 23 22:09:58 ZRTP? why? Jun 23 22:10:20 Because thats probably making it get stuck on Connecting Jun 23 22:10:21 it should 'just work' and remain inactive as long as far end doesn'T support Jun 23 22:10:47 nope, ZRTP establishes connections absolutely transparent Jun 23 22:10:48 "Indicate support of ZRTP in signaling protocol" Jun 23 22:10:57 ^ a checkmark Jun 23 22:11:00 yes Jun 23 22:11:19 this is just a signal you're sending that your client can handle ZRTP Jun 23 22:11:32 doesn't cause any known problems Jun 23 22:12:02 but sure, disable it Jun 23 22:12:05 can't hurt Jun 23 22:12:07 Then no idea why its stuck on "Connecting" when i tried to call Jun 23 22:12:21 ethereal is your friend Jun 23 22:12:28 cone NAT? Jun 23 22:12:55 enable STUN! Jun 23 22:14:04 About that... it works ok when calling over gtalk Jun 23 22:14:27 it fails to establish ICE when incoming call connects Jun 23 22:14:29 wtf Jun 23 22:14:35 gtalk is XMPP iirc Jun 23 22:14:52 ICE ~= STUN Jun 23 22:15:10 I guess you have a nasty NAT Jun 23 22:15:28 open your port 5060 and the RTP ports your service recommends Jun 23 22:15:31 I am on DMZ Jun 23 22:15:35 hmm Jun 23 22:16:01 The issue is on the other side because.... well Jun 23 22:16:10 its a default NAT'd network Jun 23 22:16:16 DMZ still doesn't mean your outbound port also creates an inbound path on same IP:port tuple Jun 23 22:16:23 particularly for UDP Jun 23 22:16:33 When *she calls* is when the issue happens Jun 23 22:16:35 not when i do Jun 23 22:16:37 *DIS*able ICE/STUN for testing Jun 23 22:17:11 sorry, I'm out for a beer Jun 23 22:17:28 ethereal is your friend Jun 23 22:18:01 ICE, UPnP, Auto discover STUN/TURN, own STUN severs, Jingle Nodes Jun 23 22:18:44 is what's available for gtalk in jitsi Jun 23 22:19:43 dunno why we're talking jitsi - never even heard of it Jun 23 22:20:45 Because i am using that client Jun 23 22:20:58 it was previously known as SIP Communicator or something Jun 23 22:21:49 I am here because of Oksana and i am not a maemo user but trying to troubleshoot some maemo issues with her :) Jun 23 22:22:16 https://www.sipgate.de/basic/signup Jun 23 22:23:02 so when she's using maemo then why is jitsi relevant in all this? Jun 23 22:23:43 Because i am the Jitsi for Windows user Jun 23 22:25:28 ~_~ ffs Jun 23 22:28:45 and i'm a twinkle on linux user, still how's that relevant for Oksana's problem? Jun 23 22:29:46 your jitsi doesn't need any special settings to talk to maemo SIP client Jun 23 22:31:47 Well Jun 23 22:31:54 Linphone client didnt work Jun 23 22:32:17 and we've partly 'proved' that maemo's SIP client is working fine .. deduction - oksana likely has no problrm either Jun 23 22:32:59 * DocScrutinizer05 thinks it's extremely inefficient and silly to debug person C's problems by talking via proxy person B Jun 23 22:34:14 even the statements are highly ambiguous - I don't have a clue who's using linphone, on which platform, and why Jun 23 22:34:30 linphone has an official app Jun 23 22:34:32 LOL Jun 23 22:34:47 She tried to call me with me using that application Jun 23 22:34:50 and it did not work Jun 23 22:34:54 nothing happened on my side Jun 23 22:34:58 no, linphone app eventually got an 'oggicial' server which is supposed to be crap Jun 23 22:35:16 original even Jun 23 22:35:22 err official Jun 23 22:35:31 Juest: maybe N900 enforces 'sip:' convention? Jun 23 22:35:51 ... Jun 23 22:36:02 Sicelo: nope Jun 23 22:36:11 ah, it appends it .. just tesed Jun 23 22:36:23 *prepend, rather Jun 23 22:36:44 (tested) Jun 23 22:36:46 check the RFCs listed on twinklephone.com Jun 23 22:37:04 maemo client is mostly compliant Jun 23 22:37:33 linphone (server / client) though, NFC if it's even SIP still Jun 23 22:38:08 tbh linphone never worked for me with sipgate registrar Jun 23 22:38:43 Yeah, linphone clients asks me for Realm Authentication when i try to call to a user on a different registrar Jun 23 22:39:48 first you need to know if the different registrar even allows dial-in Jun 23 22:40:01 most don't anymore Jun 23 22:40:11 Even if it does it asks for login Jun 23 22:40:18 i think Jun 23 22:40:38 quite possible, linphone isn't made to handle this scenario I guess Jun 23 22:41:11 btw neither is maemo telepathy SIP client Jun 23 22:41:50 the vast majority of SIP clients only knows INVITE via registar server as proxy Jun 23 22:46:58 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/SIP Jun 23 22:49:20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol Jun 23 22:49:45 :|} Jun 23 22:50:35 particularly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SIP_call_flow_between_UA,_Redirect_Server,_Proxy_and_UA.png Jun 23 22:57:38 ((SIP clients only knows INVITE via registar server as proxy)) directly calling the callee's registrar proxy would be directIP2IP SIP which most clients can't do. Sending an INVITE of a different registrar's client to your own registrar is often not working since most dervices have no interest to support calls to other services Jun 23 22:58:28 s/dervices/services/ Jun 23 22:58:29 DocScrutinizer05 meant: ((SIP clients only knows INVITE via registar server as proxy)) directly calling the callee's registrar proxy would be directIP2IP SIP which most clients can't do. Sending an INVITE of a different registrar's client to your own registrar is often not worki... Jun 23 22:58:43 ~useless Jun 23 22:58:44 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer05 in the darkest corner of the room. :( Jun 23 22:59:45 neither do they usually support inbound SIP calls from foreign origin Jun 23 23:01:34 the result of doing such inbound SIP call nevertheless is the far end registrar probably answering a by a 401 UNAUTHORIZED which causes caller's UA to pop up a registration dialog to enter the credentials for that assumed account Jun 23 23:04:54 note that the INVITE you send to *your* registrar (so it might forward it to the destination) is identical to the INVITE to the foreign registrar if your registrar forwards it. So the foreign registrar will think it's one of their clients who "forgot to REGISTER" Jun 23 23:04:57 Sicelo, DocScrutinizer: Thanks a lot! As the very least, linphone now manages to sign in (previously got Network Error, tried different settings randomly; Sicelo's settings just work) Jun 23 23:05:55 Oksana: if you want a decent SIP gateway, feel free to query me for cheating the data on sipgate.de registration Jun 23 23:06:38 https://www.sipgate.de/basic/signup Jun 23 23:06:51 it's a trunking service only Jun 23 23:07:02 means it does SIP only to clients Jun 23 23:07:12 err customers Jun 23 23:07:28 it allows free landline call-in though Jun 23 23:07:44 and of course free SIP calls between customers Jun 23 23:09:51 they once offered SIP dial-in too, but this feature got cancelled worldwide basically (all trunking providers) since spammers used that feature for unsolicited calls to victims Jun 23 23:11:18 maybe you find a better service provider in one of the tutorials sites I linked Jun 23 23:12:16 Ok Jun 23 23:14:26 https://www.google.de/search?q=free+SIP+network+service+provider Jun 23 23:15:31 http://www.voip-info.org/wiki/view/Free+VoIP+Networks Jun 23 23:19:12 please forget linphone provider/registrar, it sounds just odd and prone to introduce problems of all sorts Jun 23 23:20:23 Oh dear Jun 23 23:22:51 I don't think you shpould call me 'dear', Oksana may though ;-) Jun 23 23:22:59 Lol Jun 23 23:23:08 Oksana: ping Jun 23 23:40:13 pong. And will try out sipgate Jun 23 23:43:05 "Oh dear" is just a saying, I guess, not literal ;-) Jun 23 23:47:38 :) Jun 23 23:47:40 yes Jun 23 23:47:49 Oksana: And do try logging too please Jun 23 23:48:04 Oksana: apparently got told that skype issue is codec crash Jun 23 23:49:25 Do I understand correctly that sipgate requires a street address, and one in Germany at that?.. Jun 23 23:49:58 * Oksana thinks that it is very nice of them to ensure proper emergency call functionality Jun 23 23:52:10 Though the website does resemble a maze, somewhat Jun 23 23:53:14 * Oksana goes back to https://www.sipgate.de/basic/ Jun 23 23:55:47 o_O? Jun 23 23:55:58 * Juest is confused Jun 24 00:14:37 How i can do a P2P SIP call? Jun 24 00:14:54