**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jul 01 02:59:58 2016 Jul 01 10:52:31 I wasn't aware of https://wiki.debian.org/pkg-n900 Jul 01 11:27:08 quite old though :) Jul 01 11:35:04 LOL! tesla stocks -3% Jul 01 11:38:56 D: Jul 01 11:38:59 what happened Jul 01 11:39:18 Someone drover under a semi truck trailer Jul 01 11:39:26 s/drover/drove/ Jul 01 11:39:26 Hurrian meant: Someone drove under a semi truck trailer Jul 01 11:39:31 oh cool, that still works Jul 01 11:39:43 ...how's that related to tesla Jul 01 11:39:44 fatal accident Jul 01 11:39:50 i'm pretty sure i can do that with a regular car Jul 01 11:40:08 tesla's autopilot didn't discern whide side of trailer from sky Jul 01 11:40:10 ...while on Autopilot Jul 01 11:40:21 yeah, that's why people are making a huge deal out of it Jul 01 11:40:25 :| Jul 01 11:40:46 he he Jul 01 11:40:55 the highly beta software that you're supposed to be real wary of, that automatically disables itself if you interact with the steering wheel manually? Jul 01 11:41:01 I mean, technically you're supposed to pay very close attention while AP's on, but seeing how many people upload vids of "Autopilot while asleep!!!!1111!!" on YouTube... Jul 01 11:41:12 is it even called autopilot Jul 01 11:41:22 i thought it was called autosteering Jul 01 11:41:23 and yeah, they actually called it Autopilot Jul 01 11:41:24 people are stupid Jul 01 11:41:32 lulls you into a false sense of security... Jul 01 11:42:06 @kerio: Autosteer is the automatic-driving part of Autopilot, Autopilot is the whole suite of auto-features you pay ~$2500 (???) for Jul 01 11:42:14 this incident will sufficiently cure that Jul 01 11:42:32 i'm siding with tesla on this one Jul 01 11:43:11 so uhh, while most of the chassis slid under the trailer, the cockpit didn't, resulting in a decapitation... nasty Jul 01 11:44:01 must be hell of a ride Jul 01 11:44:21 while yeah, I think the driver's at fault here (and he really is - the car's not Level 4/5 autonomous...), IMO we really shouldn't be calling it Autopilot unless it has a Google-style LIDAR suite Jul 01 11:45:18 but it's a case which points out a bug in their software/hw anyway Jul 01 11:45:51 it's definitely a corner case of the sw/hw. Jul 01 11:46:11 so yes, imo its a tesla's fault Jul 01 11:46:17 lane keeping is not too hard to do - heck, freaking Ford has it in my 2015 Everest. Jul 01 11:46:31 ...handling corner cases like that is the _really hard_ part Jul 01 11:46:42 but you pay premium for those features, right? Jul 01 11:46:54 not to be a beta tester Jul 01 11:47:35 the whole premise of a Tesla's to put down $LOTS_MONEY$ to be a beta tester Jul 01 11:47:38 Tesla reiterates that customers are required to agree that the system is in a "public beta phase" Jul 01 11:47:44 kek Jul 01 11:48:29 and that the system was designed with the expectation that drivers keep their hands on the wheel and that the driver is required to "maintain control and responsibility for your vehicle." Jul 01 11:48:48 so yeah, driver was at fault too Jul 01 11:49:01 I loved driving in a Model S (and even got to take a P90D for a spin!), but being on the bleeding edge is really Tesla's greatest strength _and_ weakness Jul 01 11:49:24 did you try ludicrous mode? ;) Jul 01 11:49:30 yes! Jul 01 11:49:36 :) Jul 01 11:49:53 (on a closed track of course! didn't want to get pulled over on US 101 ;) ) Jul 01 11:51:23 Hurrian: lane keeping? toys do that, with a "computer" made of two phototransistors and two analog amps Jul 01 11:52:00 DocScrutinizer05: heh, I remember my first line-follower robot ;) Jul 01 11:52:14 i guess tesla did their lane keeping with photodiodes too Jul 01 11:52:16 ;) Jul 01 11:54:27 at the end of the day, I'm a believer in the electric drivetrain as the future for cars, just not too sure that the "smart" car is too Jul 01 11:55:11 no human as a driver == full control of traffic Jul 01 11:55:31 I want a boring car, that looks as ordinary as a Corolla, but has a battery and motor and I can idle it in the garage without choking the crap out of everyone Jul 01 11:55:50 and our civilisation is going in the direction of full control (assuming we dont kill ourselves before) Jul 01 11:55:51 Can manufacturers _please_ do this without making an egg-on-wheels (Prius, Leaf) Jul 01 11:56:20 you want modular car Jul 01 11:56:41 KotCzarny: at that point, I'd rather take a subway - also electrically driven, and way more efficient than everybody getting their own cars ;) Jul 01 11:57:12 but subway doesnt go everywhere/everytime Jul 01 12:24:34 I bet your subway doesn't do cross country :) Jul 01 12:24:50 it's called railway ? ;) Jul 01 12:25:01 or allow you to get on/off anytime Jul 01 12:25:22 if you are agile enough.. Jul 01 12:25:38 public transport is such a joke at some places Jul 01 12:25:54 there are no bus/trains Jul 01 12:26:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf3WUJBcf-4 Jul 01 12:26:36 just jump around :) Jul 01 12:27:01 lastly, the train station might be too far away, so you'd drive there anyway Jul 01 12:27:24 and compounded by the lack of carparks, you might as well drive all the way Jul 01 12:27:33 now THAT you would call fuel efficiency ;) Jul 01 12:28:26 i wonder what they do if they need to do #1.. or #2 ;) Jul 01 12:29:06 jump into the roof of a moving car, i guess Jul 01 12:29:57 Car Surfing Jul 01 12:30:12 (along with insurance fraud) Jul 01 13:14:57 moin Jul 01 16:14:31 i think charging liion doesnt depend on capacity but on voltage Jul 01 16:14:43 doh, wrong chan again Jul 01 17:49:48 ok .. sometimes one can think he knows something, until he meets someone who actually knows something .. gawd! never been in the company of so many geeks in my life (@ debconf). i feel like an ant Jul 01 17:50:21 go bite someone Jul 01 17:53:28 lol Jul 01 17:53:55 it's great. enjoying myself Jul 01 18:08:46 Sicelo: Your in cape town? Jul 01 18:10:36 sicelo, ask them about systemd Jul 01 18:10:44 (and duck quickly) Jul 01 18:10:55 stryngs: you're Jul 01 18:11:35 KotCzarny: are you Jul 01 18:11:43 stryngs: yes Jul 01 18:11:52 l29ah: am i? Jul 01 18:12:07 KotCzarny: there's a talk about it :) will attend to hear, haha Jul 01 18:12:32 sicelo: grab fish'n'chips, beer, good seating and enjoy then ;) Jul 01 18:16:34 so this temp. battery is settling at 920mAh .. am a bit disappointed, but much better than the sub 800mAh I had. getting new batteries in a day or two Jul 01 18:22:23 hmm Jul 01 18:22:41 how one can disable osk in terminal ? Jul 01 18:23:10 i dunno if you can disable it selectively? Jul 01 18:23:20 osk -> vkb? Jul 01 18:23:23 yeah Jul 01 18:23:51 if i slide out the kb its disabled, but i wonder if there is a cmdline trick to disable/reenable osk Jul 01 18:24:20 (related: i've just added mouse support to ncurses interface in oscp) Jul 01 18:28:03 (which even works over ssh) Jul 01 18:29:27 awesome Jul 01 18:29:29 :) Jul 01 18:29:34 i know Jul 01 18:29:43 amazing what little change could do Jul 01 18:37:27 what was the screenshot shortcut? Jul 01 18:40:41 ctrl-shift-p Jul 01 18:42:37 yeah Jul 01 18:44:38 hrm, tmo mangled the screenshot Jul 01 18:44:48 how do i attach png without resizing? Jul 01 19:29:16 I never needed to resize for TMO before Jul 01 19:31:00 swb: maybe its settable in userprofile somewhere.. Jul 01 21:14:01 sixwheeledbeast: embed photo is size-agnostic (but you need to host the image file elsewhere), attachments are size limited though Jul 01 21:15:32 I recall attaching screenshots straight to post. Jul 01 21:15:37 IIRC I however managed to attach other .ending files (which allows larger size iirc) and then use that very URL of the attachment to embed into the same post while editing it Jul 01 21:15:51 screenshots sure Jul 01 21:16:11 they should be only 800*480, no? Jul 01 21:17:01 maybe depends if they are png or jpg Jul 01 21:17:35 yep possibly Jul 01 21:18:10 anyway I also can't recall ever doing any resizing for images on tmo Jul 01 21:18:58 except maybe for my proper digicam snapshots which are like 4MB Jul 01 21:21:58 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1508798 Jul 01 23:16:24 DocScrutinizer05: is there a way to check if the screen is off with a bash script? i would like to make an edit to your xchat notify script to vibrate only if the screen is currently off since it seems to vibrate even when im in xchat Jul 01 23:20:39 Linkandzelda: /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/actual_brightness Jul 01 23:23:53 L29Ah: nice, thats perfect Jul 01 23:23:56 thanks **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 02 02:59:57 2016