**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jul 04 02:59:58 2016 Jul 04 05:38:15 Sicelo: My parents currently use the Android OS version 5 or higher as provided by LG on an LG G3 (stepmother) and LG G5 (father). My father said that on either the G3 or G5 — I forgot which one, the camera application can use speech recognition to control the shutter: without any hardware add-on, the camera application takes a picture when it heards a word chosen by the user. Maybe this feature will be useful for you? Jul 04 05:39:13 brolin_empey: its not about android :P Jul 04 05:44:16 s/heards/hears/ Jul 04 05:44:16 brolin_empey meant: Sicelo: My parents currently use the Android OS version 5 or higher as provided by LG on an LG G3 (stepmother) and LG G5 (father). My father said that on either the G3 or G5 — I forgot which one, the camera application can use speech recognition to con... Jul 04 10:21:28 moin :) Jul 04 13:51:38 can anyone help me to compile and install this, ive not compiled for n900 before https://git.collabora.com/cgit/user/wjt/telepathy-idle/tag/?id=telepathy-idle-0.1.12 Jul 04 13:53:03 you'll need scratchbox Jul 04 13:53:57 dont we already have native IRC support ? Jul 04 13:54:12 we have that plugin already on the repos, but Jul 04 13:54:27 http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-idle/ Jul 04 13:54:36 http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-idle/ Jul 04 13:54:42 this is the one i used Jul 04 13:54:54 is it terribly out-of-date? Jul 04 13:55:03 yes Jul 04 13:55:10 the account- one is for configuration ... but yeah, okay Jul 04 13:55:15 the one on the repo does not have the fix which causes channels to part Jul 04 13:55:27 making it basically useless Jul 04 13:55:47 thank you for trying to upgrade it :-) Jul 04 13:56:20 there is a patched version from the guy with a fix, but i dont have a clue how to get it onto my device Jul 04 13:56:25 let alone into the repos Jul 04 13:56:29 * Oksanaa thought that telepathy-idle supports only private messages, not channels Jul 04 13:56:32 hm I see Jul 04 13:57:10 Oksanaa: i tried it, joined a channel then it instantly part it, which is what the bug report mentions https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=24273 Jul 04 13:57:12 04Bug 24273: was not found. Jul 04 13:57:27 well you could start from the scratchbox VM (or install SB "from scratch") Jul 04 13:57:31 unless im mistaken in the expected behaviour Jul 04 13:57:46 bencoh: im looking at the wiki now to install the SDK Jul 04 13:57:54 a vm sounds good though Jul 04 13:58:27 ~sb Jul 04 13:58:28 rumour has it, scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB Jul 04 13:59:05 I've never tried it but it looks like people use it Jul 04 13:59:09 (the VM, I mean) Jul 04 14:19:31 Sicelo: http://gwolf.org/node/4076 Jul 04 14:20:38 and http://gwolf.org/node/4080 Jul 04 14:21:43 did you see its specs? Jul 04 14:21:51 512MB ram Jul 04 14:21:58 wifi and bt it seems Jul 04 14:22:52 http://docs.getchip.com/chip.html#chip-hardware Jul 04 14:23:10 4gb nand Jul 04 14:23:31 its small, but also limited in utility because of small ram Jul 04 14:23:38 well Jul 04 14:23:42 it's twice of n900... Jul 04 14:24:04 hmm Jul 04 14:24:10 but if i look right, its single core? Jul 04 14:24:19 i'd expect it to be, yes Jul 04 14:24:28 not worth the price then Jul 04 14:24:38 9$? Jul 04 14:24:46 +shipping (~29usd) Jul 04 14:25:10 then buy at least 10 Jul 04 14:25:21 already bought orange pi plus 2e Jul 04 14:25:23 so it's only 12$ Jul 04 14:25:32 you can build a cluster of these things Jul 04 14:25:55 right, you didnt se my orange cluster yet Jul 04 14:26:03 http://imgur.com/a/tJvqk Jul 04 14:26:14 weren't there a kind of cluster that allowed to see lots of machines as a single machine with tens of cores? Jul 04 14:26:28 8 core for the price of ~50usd Jul 04 14:26:40 and 3gb ram total Jul 04 14:26:52 very nice Jul 04 14:27:27 i should get me some tool to cut holes better than dremel Jul 04 14:27:50 i worked on 2003 on a small company that intended to provide video on demand services for hotels Jul 04 14:28:00 so each room had a small diskless computer Jul 04 14:28:12 maybe sicelo will get one and join the linux-sunxi community :> Jul 04 14:28:23 i had access to a cluster of 400 computers in a single hotel Jul 04 14:28:24 :D Jul 04 14:28:35 all of them dedicated to people watching p0rn, of course Jul 04 14:29:06 and for science and stuff Jul 04 14:29:31 funnier thing was that we had like 12 hotels or so all over spain Jul 04 14:29:36 the server had an ADSL line Jul 04 14:29:41 but as a backup, it was also modem connected Jul 04 14:29:46 :> Jul 04 14:29:58 it was funny as hell dialing to someone from 12 different numbers all around the country :D Jul 04 14:30:49 btw. chip is smaller than n900 Jul 04 14:30:55 unless you talk board size alone Jul 04 14:32:59 "The declared commercial value is US$450" wtf Jul 04 14:33:10 well, 50*9 is 450 Jul 04 14:33:38 some people seem to be made of silver :D Jul 04 14:33:40 ceene: https://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip Jul 04 14:34:10 like a minigameboy! Jul 04 14:36:28 to me it looks like a miniterminal ... but yeah ;) Jul 04 14:36:31 you get better games on n900 :P Jul 04 14:37:06 i don't play that much, to be honest Jul 04 14:52:54 Linkandzelda: you also may find the SB VM at http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ under then name Maemo_Ubuntu_Lucid_Desktop_SDK_Virtual_Image_Final.7z Jul 04 14:53:59 you'll need to combine the name with the URL yourself, I don't want it getting publicly posted for the search engine spiders Jul 04 16:09:37 DocScrutinizer05: thanks Jul 04 16:09:48 yw Jul 04 16:17:48 ceene: i'm with gwolf at the debconf :) Jul 04 16:18:31 i'm trying to get my hands on .. he has 50 to give away .. dunno if i make the grade, haha Jul 04 16:25:45 (re - chip) ^^ Jul 04 18:10:58 by the way, i did get a BBB (which I've been looking for for quite a while now) Jul 04 18:36:36 * Sicelo ordered two new genuine batteries ... Jul 04 18:38:12 collected them today ... and they seem really original, as far as the eye can tell. for some other reason, the seller gave me third one for free, as well as genuine nokia headset free Jul 04 18:39:06 wh-102 ... not necessarily the best headphone from nokia, but still Jul 04 19:25:05 what do i do next after i have the scratchbox sdk vm booted? Jul 04 19:25:33 Linkandzelda: /scratchbox/login Jul 04 19:25:54 thanks Jul 04 19:25:58 assuming you've logged in and started a terminal Jul 04 19:26:05 yes Jul 04 19:29:28 I'd try apt-get source of the current package you're trying to upgrade Jul 04 19:29:58 to see if you can build it successfully (you'll have to install the build deps for that) Jul 04 19:30:36 (in SB, of course .... you might need to set the sources.list as well) Jul 04 19:31:11 apt-get update gives a gpg error for Release Jul 04 19:31:47 yeah, nokia keys expired a long time ago Jul 04 19:32:01 was able to download the source for telepathy-idle using that, thanks Jul 04 19:34:07 Sicelo: Did you read my message about the camera remote control? Jul 04 19:35:13 Linkandzelda: hmm, iirc telepathy-idle should have newer code in cssu Jul 04 19:35:55 freemangordon: it's in -extras, so .... Jul 04 19:35:58 extras-* Jul 04 19:36:29 freemangordon: its in extras-devel, where the latest version is 0.1.6 and the latest source looks to be 0.1.12 Jul 04 19:36:39 hmm, yeah, it is telepathy-gabble, my bad Jul 04 19:37:04 wasn't telepathy-idle google chat? Jul 04 19:37:11 its IRC Jul 04 19:37:16 oh Jul 04 19:37:18 :) Jul 04 19:37:59 gabble includes google/jingle I guess? :) Jul 04 19:38:35 Is there some kind of working noscript for n900 MicroB ? Jul 04 19:38:36 bencoh: i did ./configure and now its doing make, after that i guess make install? even though i have nothing else that it needs Jul 04 19:39:09 freemangordon: hmm do you know what was the status of openmax support on n900? Jul 04 19:39:12 Linkandzelda: why not dpkg-buildpackage? Jul 04 19:39:19 bencoh: deprecated? Jul 04 19:39:24 (I never got to make it work perfectly, but ...) Jul 04 19:39:25 freemangordon: i dont know, this is all new to me Jul 04 19:39:28 oh, okay. simple as that. Jul 04 19:39:30 sad Jul 04 19:39:41 bencoh: in favor of gst-dsp Jul 04 19:39:52 yeah, which forces gstreamer down your throat Jul 04 19:40:09 (with all the deps hell in case you'd like to upgrade) Jul 04 19:40:14 yeah Jul 04 19:40:48 Linkandzelda: well, this is a kind of debian after all, try with "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -us -uc" Jul 04 19:41:42 looks like that did something Jul 04 19:42:16 :) Jul 04 19:42:22 Linkandzelda: dunno what you're trying to achieve but anyway if you plan to push stuff in extras, you'd better use the standard way, not to say you'd better use .debs for installation Jul 04 19:43:02 freemangordon: all im trying to do is compile this and see if it fixed the bug i had https://git.collabora.com/cgit/user/wjt/telepathy-idle/tag/?id=telepathy-idle-0.1.12 Jul 04 19:44:06 AC_DEFINE(GLIB_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED, GLIB_VERSION_2_28, [Ignore post 2.28 deprecations]) Jul 04 19:44:06 I see Jul 04 19:44:12 ewww :( Jul 04 19:44:14 so? Jul 04 19:44:16 good luck Jul 04 19:44:20 just relax it Jul 04 19:44:23 whats that lol Jul 04 19:44:43 i built a patches openvpn with that same cmdline freemangordon just posted, except i didn't have the fakeroot part. still dunno what the fakeroot thing is, and where it's needed Jul 04 19:44:50 *patched Jul 04 19:44:53 freemangordon: massive API change in between iirc Jul 04 19:45:16 Sicelo: fakeroot is needed for stuff that needs "root" :) Jul 04 19:45:20 it looks like can be worked around (since somebody did it recently) but still eww :) Jul 04 19:45:56 bencoh: it is 2.24 in cssu, ain;t? Jul 04 19:46:04 test Jul 04 19:46:14 merlin1991: ^^^^^ Jul 04 19:46:16 hmmm ... I'd need to check, but I think the massive change happened in .28 Jul 04 19:46:29 what the hell has happened with CSSU update?!? Jul 04 19:46:39 :( Jul 04 19:47:03 bencoh: they removed deprecated functions? Jul 04 19:47:32 looks like it will be hard to idle with this plugin, if the group notifications cant be disabled Jul 04 19:47:37 or there will simply be a couple of warning? Jul 04 19:48:08 freemangordon: not sure, better check it Jul 04 19:48:09 warnings even Jul 04 19:48:18 anyway we'll see if he succeeds :) Jul 04 19:48:26 aah, not now, I just came home from an 8 hour drive :) Jul 04 19:48:35 haha Jul 04 19:48:40 back from holidays? Jul 04 19:48:50 freemangordon: sounds simple enough. so i should have had it for openvpn tehn, which does need root to run :-/ Jul 04 19:48:52 back from kavarna rock fest :p Jul 04 19:48:56 ah :) Jul 04 19:49:13 Sicelo: this "root" is needed for building stuff Jul 04 19:50:09 ah :-/ Jul 04 19:53:07 like chowning stuff, packaging Jul 04 19:53:50 :nod: Jul 04 19:54:28 oh well, might be less painful than I thought considering glib online doc Jul 04 19:57:36 how can i change im availablity on the sdk? Jul 04 19:58:21 are you testing from the VM (xephyr and all)? Jul 04 19:58:27 yea Jul 04 20:05:00 seems this other source doesnt have a configure script Jul 04 20:07:04 configure: error: Package requirements (glib-2.0 >= 2.30.0, gobject-2.0 >= 2.30.0, gio-2.0 >= 2.30.0 ) Jul 04 20:07:21 is this what you're talking about bencoh? Jul 04 20:09:47 another question: is there a working youtube client for the n900 ? (cutetube and cutetube-qml both fail to find anything from search results) Jul 04 20:10:43 Arch-TK: cutetube2 in extras-devel works well Jul 04 20:11:11 And also, on that note, I have lost the webpage listing the details of all the n900 repositories Jul 04 20:11:53 never mind, found it Jul 04 20:12:50 Linkandzelda: yup Jul 04 20:13:11 Linkandzelda: try lowering those to what you have and see if it builds Jul 04 20:13:23 see configure.ac Jul 04 20:14:20 autotools/autoconf generates configure from configure.ac when you run dpkg-buildpackage. by the way Jul 04 20:14:42 ok, will try that Jul 04 20:19:22 Requested 'telepathy-glib >= 0.15.9' but version of Telepathy-GLib is 0.8.1 Jul 04 20:20:35 yeah you'll probably want to update that one as well Jul 04 20:20:49 and ... I think someone worked on that, check TMO Jul 04 20:21:57 (I actually had a very quick look a few months ago and haven't looked back at it) Jul 04 20:22:30 i found this https://telepathy.freedesktop.org/releases/telepathy-glib/telepathy-glib-0.15.9.tar.gz Jul 04 20:30:13 well i cant get that to build, it has similar glib requirements, was able to lower them but it does not build Jul 04 20:31:07 yeah :( .... see TMO Jul 04 20:39:30 i saw someone built 2.26.0 but nothing higher due to major changes that maemo needs or something.. guess thats the end of the road Jul 04 20:41:00 you want IRC? i thought N900 had way better irc clients than what you can get through telepathy Jul 04 20:50:33 Linkandzelda: 2.26 ... are you talking about glib? Jul 04 20:50:41 yes Jul 04 20:51:08 Sicelo: yea ive been using Xchat, does the job, just wanted to try something else Jul 04 20:51:08 you only want to build telepathy-glib Jul 04 20:51:58 actually using glib-2.26 and (back)porting the functions you need for telepathy-glib might be enough ... dunno Jul 04 20:52:20 i seem to think there were others better suited to N900 UI elements .. i use irssi myself, so not too sure Jul 04 20:52:24 seems like a lot of work just to try it out Jul 04 20:52:53 i was thinking about making one in python Jul 04 20:57:24 Linkandzelda: then you can always backport the patch you mentioned Jul 04 21:00:58 how exactly would that be done? Jul 04 21:15:17 Linkandzelda: this is quite awesome Jul 04 21:15:55 I think I can finally ditch this android phone with a screen three times the size and a CPU which is many times more powerful, but which is fundamentally crippled by android, for this much better N900 :D Jul 04 21:19:23 Arch-TK: yes exactly, im transitioning slowly away from my galaxy note 3 which is android Jul 04 21:19:50 maemo is such a nice os Jul 04 21:23:30 +one for irssi Jul 04 21:23:45 * Arch-TK uses weechat on all his machines Jul 04 21:24:10 there is even version with perl support at tmo Jul 04 21:34:22 i should actually sort it out and put it through autobuilder so it goes on repos properly Jul 04 21:35:22 make sure toolptify Jul 04 21:35:55 yes, that too Jul 04 21:42:39 is there a guide anywhere detailing how to make GUIs with python on this sdk? Jul 04 23:40:08 Linkandzelda: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/UI_tutorial/Getting_started /me prefers GTK+Hildon, without python or something. Have a little experience with GTK+C, currently trying to read-and-edit C++ / Jul 04 23:43:09 And while I use irssi, I would welcome telepathy-idle, especially if I can add IRC channels to contacts (it sounds weird, but yes, some people have pretty much personal channels, and some of contacts in my address book are organisations-not-persons and hence also may have dedicated IRC channels) Jul 04 23:54:05 Oksana: one of the reasons i wanted to use telepathy idle is becuase a) less software/redundent software b) those native im notifications and bubbles (cant get xchat to do them) and c) the other irc apps, i cant imagine they feel very integrated with maemo Jul 04 23:55:06 but i discovered today it doesnt look like i can mute certain channels notifications Jul 04 23:57:48 So, you want to IRC in several channels, and receive notifications-bubbles from some channels but not from others? Hmm, at best it could be telepathy-idle setting Jul 04 23:58:22 Somebody: what language to specify to GeSHi for correct syntax highlighting of autoconf? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Maemo_Localization autoit is not even close (does not recognise #comments ) Jul 05 00:07:41 Oksana: seems also that i cant send commands and there is no tab completion Jul 05 00:08:11 in short as nice of an idea it is, its not suited to heavy usage imo Jul 05 00:22:36 how do i make edits to the wiki pages? Jul 05 00:29:39 Linkandzelda: To edit a page on wiki.maemo.org , there is "Edit" under "Views" on the right side of the page (Views: Page, Discussion, Edit, History) Jul 05 00:29:44 DocScrutinizer05: just in case you wondered or didnt know, i found a log from you in 2013 which said the notification "control_bluetooth_paired" was the class type, well i found it to be the icon used with the names of icons found in here: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/hildon thought that should go in the wiki Jul 05 00:30:20 Oksana: im blind, thanks Jul 05 00:35:02 nice, added a bit to the bottom of the phone control page Jul 05 00:36:29 Thank you :-) Jul 05 00:39:09 Not sure if it is useful in any way, but something about Python-Hildon GUI http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/python_hildon_manual/ Jul 05 00:39:20 And http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Python-osso_examples **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 02:59:59 2016