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Jul 14 05:01:47 <fishbulb> hey, I have another handset, and it's got all my old stuff on it
Jul 14 05:02:21 <fishbulb> I don't want to transfer the whole "machine" to it, is there a way I can just transfer all contacts, messages, calendar stuff, apps
Jul 14 05:03:15 <fishbulb> if not I'll just transfer the ghost of the functional machine onto this other one
Jul 14 07:07:34 * Oksana just had Contacts+Calendar sync-ed with Mail for Exchange. There should be a way to transfer messages, be it by Bluetooth, or as CSV file. I also heard rumours about Backup app, or something...
Jul 14 07:10:28 * Oksana is fuming at seller; his promised-not-described "rosin blux" turned out to be RMA-223 from AMTECH, which could actually be helpful [if it was good flux] ... But words like "for industrial use only", "not for personal use" and "may contain lead" and such sound _dangerous_ , aka "find a proper way to dispose of it safely"
Jul 14 07:10:34 <Oksana> flux*
Jul 14 07:11:38 <kerio> lmao
Jul 14 07:12:05 <kerio> well if you don't have an air filter you shouldn't be soldering anyway
Jul 14 07:12:18 <kerio> although that does sound very nasty, yeah
Jul 14 07:22:18 <Oksana> HMIS: H=2 F=1 R=0 P.P.=B . Since it's also "not for resale or unauthorised distribution", would be nice to complain to somebody about that thing...
Jul 14 07:23:24 <kerio> complain to ebay
Jul 14 07:23:28 <kerio> or whatever
Jul 14 07:23:37 <Oksana> Anyway, hopefully looking for not-nasty soldering flux in Jaycar soon, keywords: no-clean, no lead, and not a "plumbing flux"
Jul 14 10:38:35 <Maxdamantus> https://gist.github.com/Maxdamantus/a2cb39e7e2ab00028916dd3984ee1023
Jul 14 10:38:40 <Maxdamantus> Much better.
Jul 14 10:38:55 <Maxdamantus> Now just need to unfuck the font rendering again.
Jul 14 10:40:44 <Maxdamantus> I was using a different version of freetype2 at some point, I think before my SD card stopped working and I accidentally reverted to a backup unnecessarily.
Jul 14 11:24:51 <zGrr> moin :)
Jul 14 11:35:27 <Maxdamantus> Ah, meh, already using the version of freetype2 that seems to be capable of rendering nicely.
Jul 14 11:35:57 <Maxdamantus> but I never had it rendering nicely in Maemo's xulrunner/browserd for some reason.
Jul 14 11:37:35 <Maxdamantus> http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/a.png http://maxdamantus.eu.org/9aa/b.png
Jul 14 15:21:13 <KotCzarny> Turing Robotic Industries started taking preorders for its secure Turing Phone back in July 2015 with plans to ship in August. The company later promised to ship by December 2015, but it didn't. In February, Turing made a fundamental change to the device when it swapped the Android-based operating system for Jolla's SailfishOS 2.0
Jul 14 15:22:00 <KotCzarny> Though it runs SailfishOS, the device will have access to the Google Play Store and Google Apps. Pricing starts at $610 for the standard model. 
Jul 14 15:24:16 <kerio> wut
Jul 14 15:24:24 <kerio> oh, they have a compat layer
Jul 15 00:12:34 <Oksana> Fun morning... Picked up 200g of Duratech 0.7mm tin-copper solder (aka lead-free), did not pick up no-clean rosin flux (1. paste, not liquid; 2. not-corrosive, or it says so, but acidity not mentioned), did not pick up no-clean pen-with-flux (1. flux not described, except for being flammable; 2. relatively thick, push-in tip, does not look like thin enough)
Jul 15 00:49:34 <DocScrutinizer05> lead-free solder? ohmy
Jul 15 00:50:33 <DocScrutinizer05> no-clean & rosin is not exactly simple to find, also I dunno why yoz would want rosin flux
Jul 15 00:50:52 <DocScrutinizer05> you*
Jul 15 00:52:26 <DocScrutinizer05> rosin means there will be rosin residue on PCB, which usually means you want to clean the PCB
Jul 15 01:02:28 <Oksana> Just was looking for no-clean flux. They didn't have exactly much choice of flux. One of them was rosin no-clean paste flux, another of them was flammable-unknown liquid flux inside flux pen, and there was something called solder paste (tin, silver, copper) in a syringe
Jul 15 01:03:22 <Oksana> They did have lead solder, too, but lead does not sound health-friendly
Jul 15 01:22:29 <DocScrutinizer05> you want standard 60/40 or 63/37 Sn/Pb solder, with multicore flux, thin
Jul 15 01:23:53 <DocScrutinizer05> you shouldn't inhale the fumes, no matter whether Pb solder or RoHS solder, those are mildly toxic. Other than that use good old lead solder and wash your hands after work
Jul 15 01:24:31 <DocScrutinizer05> honestly starting with lead free solder to learn soldering isn't a wise decision
Jul 15 01:25:04 <DocScrutinizer05> lead free solder is 5 times as cumbersome 
Jul 15 01:49:24 <Oksana> Okay, Tin-Copper solder is cumbersome (partially because of higher melting temperature). Doesn't have flux core, also (haven't seen any flux-core solder here). 0.7mm (not 1mm), they had only two choices in thickness. | Tin-based solders readily dissolve gold, sounds unpleasant, but not particularly relevant for microUSB. /relevant for testing pads, though/
Jul 15 01:49:41 <Oksana> The two principal types of flux are acid flux, used for metal mending and plumbing, and rosin flux, used in electronics. Due to concerns over atmospheric pollution and hazardous waste disposal, the electronics industry has been gradually shifting from rosin flux to water-soluble flux, which can be removed with deionized water and detergent, instead of hydrocarbon solvents.
Jul 15 02:18:13 <DocScrutinizer05> ((Tin-based solders readily dissolve gold)) the nature of doing a proper solder joint
Jul 15 02:19:40 <DocScrutinizer05> tin-based solder also dissolves copper, forming bronze
Jul 15 02:20:04 <DocScrutinizer05> and it's exactly this forming of alloys that makes the solder jount
Jul 15 02:21:29 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno where from that second post origins, sounds like a quote
Jul 15 02:21:57 <DocScrutinizer05> it's inconsistent in itself, since rosin isn't water solzble
Jul 15 02:23:34 <DocScrutinizer05> and there are even no-clean fluxes that don'T need any cleaning since they either evaporate over time (no-residue) or the residues are negligible. Those contain organic substances and often (metal)salts but usually no rosin / resin
Jul 15 02:24:44 <DocScrutinizer05> actually the exact formulation of high quality no-clean flux usually is a company asset secret
Jul 15 02:26:14 <DocScrutinizer05> solder paste is exactly what the name says: solder (tiny balls of it) in a paste consisting of flux. All this and the above is discussed in detail in the three eevblog YT videos I linked you to
Jul 15 02:28:06 <DocScrutinizer05> solder paste is used for reflow mounting of components. Would be mad useful for the USB jack since you could solder it merely with hot air, without even touching the pins to solder down
Jul 15 02:30:04 <DocScrutinizer05> you need to clean the pads thoroughly for that, so they are absolutely flush surface, no solder bumps on them. Use desolder wick and soldering iron (with flux! :-D ) for the cleaning
Jul 15 02:31:07 <DocScrutinizer05> then apply a tiny(!) amount of solder paste, just enough so all pins sit in a solderpaste bed on their pads, then reflow with hot air
Jul 15 02:32:16 <DocScrutinizer05> when you use too much solderpaste, you'll get shorts between pins just like with using too much solder wire
Jul 15 02:32:49 <DocScrutinizer05> again see YT EEVBLOG videos
Jul 15 02:46:03 <DocScrutinizer05> ((The two principal types of flux)) is nevertheless sort of correct - to this point: there's acid based flux of various kinds (liquid mere HCl, solder honey, "welding paste" aka solder cream) used for welding, plumbing etc. And there are several variants of electronic flux. Neither of both will work the faintest in the opposite domain, electronic flux is at best way to expensive for plumbing, and plumbing flux most certainly will damage 
Jul 15 02:46:04 <DocScrutinizer05> your electronic components and PCB beyond all repair (figure HCl)
Jul 15 02:53:15 <DocScrutinizer05> (dissolves gold) yet all high quality PCB are completely gold plated on all pads, and all are soldered with tin based solder
Jul 15 02:58:05 <Oksana> >> sounds like a quote << Source: Wikipedia >> it's inconsistent in itself, since rosin isn't water soluble << They mean the switch from rosin-based flux to these secretive organic fluxes, I guess >> solder paste << well, do not know what kind of flux is in here. Tin-Silver-Copper does sound nicer than Tin-Copper.
Jul 15 02:58:07 <Oksana> >> YT << Should movgrab them, makes for easier watching /I hope/ >> hot air << local makerspace is not open yet >> when you use too much solderpaste, you'll get shorts << sounds obvious... what to do if the shorts happen? clean the pads thoroughly again?
Jul 15 02:59:49 <Oksana> >> dissolves gold << I just worry that if something is soldered to gold-plated pad, then de-soldered, the gold goes away with old solder, does it mean the pad would have to be gold-plated again?
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