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Jul 18 06:47:30 <Oksana> Hmm, what about pushing bnf to Extras-testing? Sure, version 1.2 isn't more dangerous than version 1.0, is it? Because typo in sudoers file makes version 1.0 not quite use-friendly...
Jul 18 06:47:52 <KotCzarny> who uses extras-testing?
Jul 18 06:48:23 <Oksana> Those who do not want extras-devel enabled all the time?
Jul 18 06:49:30 <KotCzarny> so, 1 user?
Jul 18 06:55:20 <bencoh> probably more than that
Jul 18 06:55:57 <bencoh> I personally use apt pinning so unless I explicitely force a version I'd end up with the one in extras or testing
Jul 18 06:58:40 <KotCzarny> would be interesting to see extras-testing stats (updated to exclude search engines etc)
Jul 18 08:19:22 <fishbulb> hello
Jul 18 08:20:13 <fishbulb> I really need to copy my info to my other phone, and then change screens, becuase the usb port is fucked and the keyboard is worn out now
Jul 18 08:20:27 <fishbulb> what I'd like to do is a fresh install
Jul 18 08:20:47 <KotCzarny> fishbulb: backup menu, then move backup data to new device, then restore
Jul 18 08:20:50 <fishbulb> and copy over my contacts, messages, reinstall programs
Jul 18 08:21:05 <fishbulb> where do I get backup menu from? all my repos are gone
Jul 18 08:21:15 <KotCzarny> ~bm
Jul 18 08:21:19 <infobot> somebody said backupmenu was http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975, or one-click install handling dependency issues: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/et_al/HAM-catalogs/BM.install
Jul 18 08:21:26 <KotCzarny> ~maemo-repos
Jul 18 08:21:26 <infobot> i guess maemo-repos is http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Jul 18 08:21:42 <fishbulb> will the one click install work if I have no repos?
Jul 18 12:19:28 <atk> What options are there for web browsers on the N900?
Jul 18 12:19:45 <atk> Or better yet, does anyone know where I can find the source for tear?
Jul 18 12:23:30 <bencoh> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/tear/trunk/ maybe?
Jul 18 12:23:35 <bencoh> but that's *old*
Jul 18 12:29:37 <atk> Well, anything is good, I want to at the very least change some issues I have with it and at best maybe base something new on it.
Jul 18 12:30:05 <atk> any guide to how on earth developing something for the n900 works? especially the packaging side
Jul 18 12:30:17 <atk> I can probably work out the API for the graphics stuff
Jul 18 12:30:33 * atk has never worked with debian before
Jul 18 14:21:49 <bencoh> atk: have a look a the scratchbox wiki page
Jul 18 14:22:02 <bencoh> there is a basic guide to debian/maemo packaging
Jul 18 14:22:22 <bencoh> (not that basic actually, it's pretty good :)
Jul 18 16:19:21 <DocScrutinizer05> ~sb
Jul 18 16:19:21 <infobot> hmm... scratchbox is a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/, hosted by maemo now. Also at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/files/SB
Jul 18 16:19:55 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation
Jul 18 16:20:55 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide
Jul 18 16:21:32 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_SDK_Virtual_Images
Jul 18 16:21:44 <DocScrutinizer05> aka ~sb
Jul 18 16:27:17 <DocScrutinizer05> atk: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/Writing_a_new_maemo_application#Packaging_the_application
Jul 18 16:28:27 <DocScrutinizer05> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing
Jul 18 17:16:04 <Arch-TK> I don't need a cross compilation toolchain my distro provides decent packages and I could compile one if I needed to anyway. I was just curious about the packaging side.
Jul 18 17:16:30 <Arch-TK> But thanks anyway.
Jul 18 18:04:33 <Sicelo> clean
Jul 18 18:25:51 <DocScrutinizer05> huh?
Jul 18 18:26:29 <DocScrutinizer05> do you want to package for maemo? then you are most likely wrong with >>my distro provides decent packages<<
Jul 18 18:28:10 <DocScrutinizer05> I also generaly recommed that building not getting done on target platform aka N900. If only for the meager RAM you got there
Jul 18 18:28:44 <DocScrutinizer05> so frequently you damn sure want a cross compiling environment/toolchain of sorts
Jul 18 18:29:13 <DocScrutinizer05> "of sorts" since scratchbox actually does genuine building in an emu environment
Jul 18 18:29:29 <DocScrutinizer05> afaik
Jul 18 18:29:55 <DocScrutinizer05> I heard gcc is pretty poor on cross compiling anyway
Jul 18 18:32:19 <DocScrutinizer05> however when you meant you want to build packages for some non-maemo system on N900, then you're neither interested in scratchbox *nor in maemo packaging*. You rather learn about packaging in context of that other distro
Jul 18 18:34:21 <DocScrutinizer05> after all packaging and package management is what ditinguishes distros one from another most
Jul 18 18:35:01 <DocScrutinizer05> and maemo packaging is sort of a debian derivative, but significantly different in some details
Jul 18 18:39:33 <DocScrutinizer05> wild guessing: you're rather interested in https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/creating_packages ?
Jul 18 20:08:19 <bencoh> 21:29 < DocScrutinizer05> I heard gcc is pretty poor on cross compiling anyway
Jul 18 20:08:21 <bencoh> ??
Jul 18 20:41:05 <DocScrutinizer05> bencoh: ???
Jul 18 20:41:27 <DocScrutinizer05> should I have said "doesn't know"?
Jul 18 20:41:50 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm just quoting
Jul 18 20:43:18 <DocScrutinizer05> [Tue 12 July 2016] [10:07:15] <whitequark> boru: I absolutely loathe using GCC for embedded because of their moronic cross-compilation policy
Jul 18 20:43:19 <DocScrutinizer05> [Tue 12 July 2016] [10:07:28] <whitequark> there is exactly zero reason to rebuild your compiler just to target a different triple
Jul 18 20:43:26 <kerio> someone bought arm D:
Jul 18 20:43:37 <DocScrutinizer05> who?
Jul 18 20:43:40 <DocScrutinizer05> link!
Jul 18 20:43:52 <kerio> softbank
Jul 18 20:44:00 <kerio> http://www.wsj.com/articles/softbank-agrees-to-buy-arm-holdings-for-more-than-32-billion-1468808434
Jul 18 20:44:37 <kerio> ez brexit
Jul 18 20:50:40 <DocScrutinizer05> hmm
Jul 18 20:51:17 <DocScrutinizer05> dunno if that changes much, but no bright news anyway
Jul 19 02:53:19 <Oksana> Curious: https://www.epa.gov/saferchoice/life-cycle-assessment-lead-free-solder-electronics-publications
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