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Jul 27 10:29:26 <vectis3_> where are individual network settings saved to (for N8*0) For example, if I set a static ip for connecting to my home network, where would that be saved to?
Jul 27 11:11:02 <DocScrutinizer05> juiceme: approving a new project on garage != repo and garage maintainership. Unless YOU (the council) define so and *oversee*
Jul 27 11:11:45 <Sicelo> vectis3_: in Maemo 5 it's in gconf .. it guess the same for N8x0 .. what do you need to do?
Jul 27 11:12:45 <DocScrutinizer05> the technical procedure might be merlin1991's duty, checking and acknowledging/rejecting a new garage prohect afaik is council's duty. For sure it is as long as council didn't explicitly assign and delegate that task to somebody else
Jul 27 11:14:29 <DocScrutinizer05> council, when lacking sufficient knowledge if a project qualifies for garage (licensing, naming, etc) - has the duty to find such expertise in community. That's a real life example of what's council's primary duty: facilitating
Jul 27 12:27:56 <bencoh> "facilitating"?
Jul 27 12:40:24 <KotCzarny> 'finding someone to do the job' apparently
Jul 27 12:45:48 <L29Ah> facilitate yourself
Jul 27 12:48:52 <L29Ah> yay i can't access the wiki again
Jul 27 12:49:04 <L29Ah> facilitate removing the stupid ban plz
Jul 27 16:46:30 <L29Ah> it takes rawcam 6s to make one photo :/
Jul 27 18:03:03 <ceene> i'm a little sad... since I got my android phone i seldom use the n900
Jul 27 18:03:12 <ceene> only when the android is charging
Jul 27 18:03:25 <ceene> and to use pyLedger, which I wrote myself
Jul 27 18:03:26 <Sicelo> haha
Jul 27 18:03:44 <ceene> i miss a couple things only
Jul 27 18:03:48 <ceene> one is irc
Jul 27 18:03:57 <ceene> there' simply not a good alternative
Jul 27 18:04:08 <ceene> zip, zero
Jul 27 18:04:09 <Sicelo> which droid did you buy by the way?
Jul 27 18:04:25 <CatButts> I had an Xperia E once
Jul 27 18:04:31 <ceene> it's a BQ Aquaris A4.5
Jul 27 18:04:31 <KotCzarny> ceene: ssh+irsii?
Jul 27 18:04:34 <CatButts> I sold it in favour of a dumbphone
Jul 27 18:04:47 <ceene> bq is a spanish maker, so it only sells in spain and portugal
Jul 27 18:04:52 <CatButts> but now I want an N900
Jul 27 18:05:32 <ceene> KotCzarny: yes, but without a physical keyboard it's just unbearable, as is using any console app
Jul 27 18:05:46 <KotCzarny> you got screenonly? lol
Jul 27 18:05:59 <ceene> if virtual keyboard is open, i can't see the screen
Jul 27 18:06:03 <KotCzarny> now you only have a gadget
Jul 27 18:06:12 <ceene> if i'm reading, i can't writ
Jul 27 18:06:20 <ceene> so... not possible
Jul 27 18:07:22 <ceene> i want to buy a bluetooth keyboard, there are some for galaxy phones that provide a back cover with a couple magnets, so the cover is always on the phone and the keyboard is detachable
Jul 27 18:07:53 <ceene> so i may buy one of them and see if i can place those magnets on my back cover
Jul 27 18:08:54 <Sicelo> something like Jolla TOH .. TOH looks great
Jul 27 18:09:22 <ceene> on the other hand, i have a modern browser, youtube just works, gmail interface is simply the best (not to speak of being able to read all mails sent to me...)
Jul 27 18:10:00 <ceene> i was afraid it would go crazy over data consumption, so i rooted it and I'm using an iptables based firewall
Jul 27 18:10:10 <Win7Mac> Ancelad: ping, you still around?
Jul 27 18:10:31 <ceene> it lets you white/black list any app, and allow internet access only on wifi, or whatever
Jul 27 18:11:32 <ceene> of course i use whitelists: any time an app is installed a notification appears and asks me to configure (or not) its connectivity
Jul 27 18:12:07 <ceene> it seems as if i were suddenly contracted g google to spam you all :(
Jul 27 18:12:40 <ceene> on the other hand, i'm afraid to shut if off. last two times i did. it went fucking crazy and took an hour to boot
Jul 27 18:12:52 <ceene> in fact i think it only boots up when i'm at work
Jul 27 18:13:08 <ceene> so i've been tempted to throw it out of the window a couple of times
Jul 27 18:13:27 <ceene> i both love and hate this piece of shit
Jul 27 18:13:35 <ceene> exactly the same as i do the n900
Jul 27 18:14:05 <ceene> so many missed opportunities for maemo
Jul 27 18:14:29 <ceene> thousands of man hours would be needed to make it useable on the modern environment
Jul 27 18:49:28 <fishbulb> ceene, you mean a modern device instead of a 7+ year old one that was outdated when it was new?
Jul 27 18:49:51 <fishbulb> have you gone so insane that you came full circle into normal person land?
Jul 27 18:49:57 <fishbulb> I have a tablet
Jul 27 18:53:28 <fishbulb> what would thousands of man hours on maemo net in profits
Jul 27 18:53:32 <fishbulb> nothing.
Jul 27 19:21:44 <vectis3_> Sicelo: Thanks for the info. I need to change an ip address but I have disabled the desktop atm. I was hoping to change the address without restarting it.
Jul 27 19:22:55 <Sicelo> use manual addy? gconf sounds like the right thing :)
Jul 27 20:37:40 <fishbulb> Sicelo
Jul 27 20:37:49 <fishbulb> are you one of the whatsapp guys?
Jul 27 20:39:23 <Sicelo> ex-user
Jul 27 20:40:03 <fishbulb> who was the person who coded yappari
Jul 27 20:40:07 <fishbulb> or people
Jul 27 20:44:05 <ceene> fishbulb: it was me
Jul 27 20:44:18 <fishbulb> is it ever going to happen again?
Jul 27 20:44:40 <ceene> nope
Jul 27 20:44:55 <fishbulb> how is the neo900 going to do anything
Jul 27 20:45:20 <ceene> the neo900 will be able to do lots of things
Jul 27 20:45:35 <fishbulb> any of them compatible with normal people?
Jul 27 20:45:38 <ceene> if android is ported to neo900, whatsapp could be used
Jul 27 20:45:53 <fishbulb> I doubt that will happen
Jul 27 20:46:21 <DocScrutinizer51> indeed, prolly rather replicant
Jul 27 20:47:13 <fishbulb> how long has replicant been promised
Jul 27 20:47:18 <fishbulb> to happen
Jul 27 20:50:41 * DocScrutinizer51 notices fishbulb returned to usual ranting, and heads out
Jul 27 21:03:41 <DocScrutinizer05> take your tablet, have a look at the name of the channel you're in, and then do what every sane person dispising maemo would do
Jul 27 21:04:36 <ds3> long shot but has anyone ported Maemo to Android (chroot environment, with some kind of front end be it VNC or Android specific)?
Jul 27 21:18:49 <luke-jr> ds3: what'd be the point?
Jul 27 21:29:19 <ds3> luke-jr: Running useful SW (SW on Android is not useful).... a temporary physical host for Maemo to survive on
Jul 27 21:44:51 <fishbulb> dispising maemo?
Jul 27 21:45:08 <fishbulb> I'm sad that all the apps stopped working
Jul 27 21:45:33 <fishbulb> I'll still use it until I have no more parts to make n900's work anymore
Jul 27 21:47:47 <fishbulb> maemo + android tablet = good combo
Jul 27 21:53:14 <luke-jr> ds3: Debian seems just as useful
Jul 27 21:59:23 <ds3> luke-jr: debian UI is and not touch friendly
Jul 27 22:01:38 <ds3> is too small
Jul 27 22:01:46 <luke-jr> install another UI
Jul 27 22:01:48 <ds3> arrgggg... slow net and bad keyboard
Jul 27 22:01:53 <luke-jr> Debian has no UI itself besides what you install
Jul 27 22:02:02 <ds3> is there a working matchbox setup for debian?
Jul 27 22:02:09 <ds3> lxde was miserable
Jul 27 22:02:49 <ds3> but it still doesn't let me run my old software like mapper
Jul 27 22:05:04 <fishbulb> what?
Jul 27 22:05:30 <fishbulb> called mappero on maemo
Jul 27 22:05:33 <fishbulb> that one?
Jul 27 22:05:56 <ds3> i think that's the new name... it was a different name for the N800 version
Jul 27 22:05:59 <fishbulb> how many debian gps maps must there be
Jul 27 22:06:06 <fishbulb> google maps
Jul 27 22:06:15 <ds3> Google maps is a no go.
Jul 27 22:06:22 <fishbulb> why
Jul 27 22:06:30 <ds3> having tried many, I like the UI on the N900/N800
Jul 27 22:06:41 <fishbulb> so use one of those
Jul 27 22:06:43 <ds3> their caching policy for one
Jul 27 22:06:53 <fishbulb> there are dozens that have offline maps for android
Jul 27 22:07:07 <fishbulb> I can even have a HUD with the destination overlaid for forests and shit
Jul 27 22:07:16 <ds3> the Android mapping UI sucks...tried a few OSMAnd, etc
Jul 27 22:07:33 <ds3> the Maemo UI works. Android UI doesn't.
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