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Aug 02 07:21:21 <kerio> yo is there a way to turn the backlight off
Aug 02 07:21:27 <kerio> without locking the screen
Aug 02 07:24:16 <kerio> aw yea echo 0 > whatever
Aug 02 07:30:08 <kerio> ok i cant see shit help
Aug 02 07:32:47 <mp107> Wait a bit more. On IRC you can have a response time similarly to the forum. Maybe after one minute, one hour, one day, one week...
Aug 02 07:34:06 <mp107> *forums
Aug 02 07:38:41 <bencoh> kerio: if you cant see anymore, just let it turn the screen off/on again :)
Aug 02 07:45:53 <kerio> ye
Aug 02 07:53:30 <KotCzarny> i think brightness applet has an option to enable 0 brightness setting
Aug 02 07:53:42 <KotCzarny> for seeing shit, get a lamp/sun
Aug 02 07:55:38 <kerio> KotCzarny: that's what i'm doing
Aug 02 07:55:52 <bencoh> kerio: are you trying to save battery?
Aug 02 07:55:53 <kerio> as i'm at the beach
Aug 02 07:55:56 <bencoh> on a trip with no charger?
Aug 02 07:55:58 <kerio> bencoh: yes
Aug 02 07:56:07 <kerio> because i'm at the beach
Aug 02 07:56:19 <bencoh> I wouldn't bring it at the beach anyway
Aug 02 07:56:25 <bencoh> (as a matter of fact I dont)
Aug 02 07:57:04 <kerio> y not
Aug 02 07:57:26 <bencoh> mechanical stuff
Aug 02 07:57:30 <kerio> how are you supposed to irc then
Aug 02 08:01:39 <bencoh> on the beach? I just dont
Aug 02 08:02:02 <bencoh> (it's not like I often go to the beach anyway)
Aug 02 08:09:43 <ShadowJK> You should be able to see something on N810 and N900 in the sun with no backlight
Aug 02 08:11:28 <bencoh> yeah it works pretty well
Aug 02 08:22:55 <kerio> 272mA
Aug 02 08:22:57 <kerio> jesus christ
Aug 02 08:23:11 <kerio> fuck 3g
Aug 02 08:23:22 <CatButts> lol
Aug 02 08:25:18 <bencoh> kerio: 2G is usually fine for IRC you know ;)
Aug 02 08:25:46 <kerio> i have no 2g internets
Aug 02 08:25:56 <kerio> my operator is 3g only
Aug 02 08:26:11 <bencoh> mine said the same but it eventually works
Aug 02 08:26:11 <kerio> national roaming for 2g with the big ex-national operator
Aug 02 08:26:12 <CatButts> does the N900 have option to limit to 2g?
Aug 02 08:26:21 <bencoh> CatButts: of course :)
Aug 02 08:26:31 <kerio> but it doesn't let you use data except by paying a lot
Aug 02 08:26:53 <bencoh> ah, too bad.
Aug 02 08:27:01 <bencoh> here 2g data works but with high latency
Aug 02 08:46:07 <mp107> 2g works quite well event to browse some smaller pages on Opera Mobile
Aug 02 08:46:37 <mp107> But the browser needs a few tweaks for the best experience in such conditions
Aug 02 08:48:48 <mp107> f.e. increasing cache and setting expiring images to never
Aug 02 08:49:03 <mp107> that way it would not load images almost avery time we visit site
Aug 02 08:49:37 <mp107> and we can refresh them if we know (or are not sure if) they were updated
Aug 02 09:07:10 <drathir> sad no ucbrowser for n900...
Aug 02 09:08:07 <CatButts> hmmmmmm
Aug 02 09:08:23 <CatButts> what about, a j2me emu AND ucbrowser
Aug 02 09:09:37 <Sicelo> it works .. N900 has both microemulator and phoneme .. i belive UCBrowser works on phoneme
Aug 02 09:10:10 <CatButts> microemu is sucky, last I remember
Aug 02 09:10:18 <CatButts> on pC
Aug 02 09:10:21 <CatButts> *PC
Aug 02 09:12:15 <Sicelo> it is on N900 too ... but if you really must run a j2me application ...
Aug 02 09:17:25 <drathir> CatButts: its little overkill to emulating java...
Aug 02 09:19:19 * CatButts tries to remember name of one decent j2me emu
Aug 02 09:21:24 <CatButts> yeah, phoneme is probably the one I keep thinking of
Aug 02 09:45:08 <KotCzarny> 2g has a big latency as a feature of requesting/freeing connecxtion slots
Aug 02 09:45:21 <KotCzarny> running ping usually helps
Aug 02 09:45:30 <KotCzarny> but of course consumes more power
Aug 02 10:14:41 <ShadowJK> There's similar phenomenon on 3G too
Aug 02 10:15:48 <kerio> 3G has very aggressive powersaving
Aug 02 10:15:56 <kerio> you notice the status icon changing from 3G to 3.5G
Aug 02 10:16:01 <kerio> and back
Aug 02 10:17:10 <ShadowJK> The threshold for when to switch from 3g to 3.5g, the threshold for when to switch back, and the time intervals at which it can do a switch.. those are all operator defined
Aug 02 10:17:49 <ShadowJK> iirc my operator had something like 5 or 10 second windows, so that means that a single line on IRC is about as "expensive" in terms of power, as data transfer at 10Mbit/s for 5 seconds
Aug 02 11:45:06 <kerio> lmao
Aug 02 12:29:41 <jonwil> hi
Aug 02 12:29:48 <Sicelo> hi jonwil :)
Aug 02 12:31:48 <jonwil> Seems to have gotten very quiet in the N900 community as of late...
Aug 02 12:35:04 <jonwil> Other than the certificate update I made the other day, there hasn't been any commits to the CSSU repo in months
Aug 02 12:46:40 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: oscp .. since you bundle libs, etc. it will uninstall very cleanly, i hope?
Aug 02 12:47:20 <bencoh> jonwil: indeed ...
Aug 02 12:48:50 <jonwil> I just haven't been able to get inspired to work on anything as of late
Aug 02 12:52:56 <jonwil> All the good stuff is too hard :(
Aug 02 12:56:02 <Sicelo> jonwil: maybe with fmg look at the camera stuff?
Aug 02 12:56:12 <jonwil> what camera stuff exactly?
Aug 02 13:00:05 <Sicelo> fmg got the camera working with new kernel, but something is still missing .. or did it get done now? forgot
Aug 02 13:01:13 <jonwil> I dont know a thing about kernel-level code
Aug 02 13:01:17 <jonwil> or about the N900 cameras
Aug 02 13:01:35 <jonwil> or about v4l/gstreamer/whatever other libs the cameras might be using
Aug 02 13:03:17 <jonwil> plus I dont want to do any work that requires replacing the kernel (since my N900 is my daily driver and I use it all the time)
Aug 02 13:06:40 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: asking because i've been also asked to consider voting for oscp ... so i might install it after all :)
Aug 02 13:41:21 <KotCzarny> sicelo: it's a .deb
Aug 02 13:41:31 <KotCzarny> and it doesnt do anything unusual
Aug 02 13:41:48 <KotCzarny> the only things left would be some ~/.oscp/ files
Aug 02 13:41:57 <KotCzarny> konfigs etc
Aug 02 13:42:24 <KotCzarny> and i dont bundle libs,i compile them statically into binary, so nothing will get in a way in the system
Aug 02 13:44:18 <KotCzarny> and because of that, you wont have usual debian residue in unneeded libs on app uninstall
Aug 02 13:46:15 <Sicelo> okay. cool. will install maybe this evening
Aug 02 13:46:54 <KotCzarny> keep in mind it works a bit different than system media player, which has its + and -
Aug 02 13:47:21 <KotCzarny> but shouldnt remove your data ;)
Aug 02 13:48:31 <Sicelo> no problem, heh. i was just concerned about rootfs space more than anything else
Aug 02 13:48:40 <KotCzarny> nope. its in/opt
Aug 02 13:48:43 <KotCzarny>  /opt
Aug 02 13:48:54 <KotCzarny> and symlinked to /usr
Aug 02 13:49:37 <Sicelo> oh my! just did a `df -h /` ... 92% use, 18.4M available
Aug 02 13:49:59 <KotCzarny> normal situation in n900's land ;)
Aug 02 13:50:12 <KotCzarny> check your /opt tho
Aug 02 13:50:50 <Sicelo> i have a large /opt because i repartitioned
Aug 02 13:50:59 <KotCzarny> also, temporary files are kept in ~/.oscp/ on n900, in case you pack your mp3 in zips or something
Aug 02 14:00:32 <Sicelo> recovered 4M from /var/log ... funny thing is i deleted 8M of files, yet df only shows me gaining 4M
Aug 02 14:00:49 <KotCzarny> some might be in use?
Aug 02 14:03:18 <Sicelo> no .. they were successfully deleted. i stopped syslog, and the other logs were from fsck. anyway, i'm not worried atm :)
Aug 02 14:04:13 <KotCzarny> might be 'reserved for root' space
Aug 02 14:49:26 <DocScrutinizer05> Sicelo: (funny thing) pretty normal with ubifs
Aug 02 15:08:29 <KotCzarny> foxx, try setting 100M on gbit switch and see if it works
Aug 02 15:08:34 <KotCzarny> um, wrong chan
Aug 02 15:12:15 <bencoh> it wont work on SFP ports, btw ;)
Aug 02 16:34:07 <Sicelo> KotCzarny: with a video, oscp doesn't display?
Aug 02 16:37:05 <Sicelo> i've managed to freeze it somehow :-/
Aug 02 18:04:29 <KotCzarny> sicelo: oscp is mainly audio player, if you want vids, enable with 'v' or v button
Aug 02 18:04:45 <KotCzarny> as for freezing, its a bug i still have to hunt down
Aug 02 18:05:02 <KotCzarny> also,its from extras-devel?
Aug 02 18:05:36 <Sicelo> 0.9.7-63
Aug 02 18:05:47 <Sicelo> it does play well though :)
Aug 02 18:06:30 <KotCzarny> vid play when enabled is done via gst-launch
Aug 02 18:06:53 <KotCzarny> i mean, by gst123 (which is similar to gst-launch)
Aug 02 18:11:17 <KotCzarny> but if you have a bunch of youtube downloaded video clips you only want to listen without using cpu to decode vis, its a feature
Aug 02 18:11:19 <KotCzarny> :)
Aug 02 18:13:36 <Sicelo> ;)
Aug 02 18:16:02 <Sicelo> by the way .. that's 0.9.7-63 is only in -devel?
Aug 02 18:16:05 <KotCzarny> also, ishould write proper docs/manual for all the features
Aug 02 18:16:15 <KotCzarny> sicelo, yeah, i release often
Aug 02 18:16:32 <KotCzarny> on diablo i've promoted it to extras
Aug 02 18:16:57 <KotCzarny> but on fremantle i haven't reached full stable quality yet
Aug 02 18:17:08 <KotCzarny> s/on fremantle//
Aug 02 18:17:08 <infobot> KotCzarny meant: but  i haven't reached full stable quality yet
Aug 02 23:12:13 <L29Ah_> is there a microsd producer that produces durable ones?
Aug 02 23:12:16 <L29Ah_> re writes
Aug 02 23:12:54 <L29Ah_> it seems like they all die after <50 full writes
Aug 02 23:14:26 <L29Ah_> that's kinda sad if you try to use them for cyclic video capture or compiling big stuff
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