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Aug 08 12:27:03 <Oksanaa> Doesn't tracker index email? Is there a way to search emails? Within Modest or outside it?
Aug 08 12:30:35 <Oksanaa> Hmm, type-filter in Modest may be enough. .. Curious thing
Aug 08 13:56:23 <sicelo> there was also some program that could search mails, calendar, etc.
Aug 08 13:56:34 <sicelo> forgot the name however .. could look again
Aug 08 15:10:57 <sunshavi> \\\
Aug 08 17:40:14 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: ping
Aug 08 17:43:13 <DocScrutinizer05> warfare: http://wstaw.org/m/2016/08/08/plasma-desktopVn2277.png
Aug 08 17:43:32 <DocScrutinizer05> xes: ^^^
Aug 08 18:00:34 <kerio> ayy lmao
Aug 08 18:00:50 <kerio> honestly the fact that maemo.org still doesn't have preloaded HSTS is a travesty
Aug 08 18:09:01 <ShadowJK> What is hsts
Aug 08 18:21:43 <stryngs> ShadowJK: helps to prevent https downgrade
Aug 08 19:11:19 <warfare> DocScrutinizer05: pong, I'll check the certificate. 
Aug 08 19:11:28 <DocScrutinizer05> :-)
Aug 08 19:11:36 <DocScrutinizer05> ta
Aug 08 19:12:12 <warfare> kerio: I think HSTS will break old midgard trying to redirect to http.. 
Aug 08 19:12:26 <DocScrutinizer05> ((HSTS)) is nonsense in my book
Aug 08 19:13:36 <DocScrutinizer05> leave it up to visitors which security level they're interested in
Aug 08 19:14:22 <DocScrutinizer05> I'm not a fan of forcing everybody onto some security level just "because we can"
Aug 08 19:14:57 <DocScrutinizer05> in the end maemo.org is a public site, no online banking
Aug 08 20:05:06 <kerio> thank god DocScrutinizer05 is not in charge of the security of modern browsers
Aug 08 20:08:17 <DocScrutinizer05> thank God nobody can *force* users to use browsers that have a very patronizing approach towards security
Aug 08 20:09:12 * DocScrutinizer05 kicks kerio for not using SSL to access IRC
Aug 08 20:09:15 <luke-jr> lol
Aug 08 20:09:21 <luke-jr> but he is
Aug 08 20:09:26 <luke-jr> [20:09:17] [Whois] kerio is using a secure connection.
Aug 08 20:09:34 <DocScrutinizer05> dang
Aug 08 20:09:47 <DocScrutinizer05> your encryption is weak!
Aug 08 20:10:02 <luke-jr> SSL is a false sense of security anyway
Aug 08 20:10:08 <luke-jr> it's only as secure as the server
Aug 08 20:10:11 <DocScrutinizer05> of course
Aug 08 20:10:14 <kerio> TLS from my znc to freenode is kinda shite
Aug 08 20:10:16 <luke-jr> and servers are trivial to compromise often
Aug 08 20:10:24 <kerio> tls from me to my znc is pretty much unbreakable
Aug 08 20:10:30 <DocScrutinizer05> what friggin security, in accessing a *public* website anyway?
Aug 08 20:10:32 <kerio> eeeh idk man
Aug 08 20:10:44 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer05: cuz reused passwords are cool! /s
Aug 08 20:10:54 <kerio> the only direct shell access to my server is pubkey ssh
Aug 08 20:11:08 <luke-jr> kerio: you're forgetting the IPMI backdoor
Aug 08 20:11:13 <kerio> D;
Aug 08 20:11:26 <kerio> well if i don't trust the hosting company it's all a moot point anyway
Aug 08 20:11:40 <kerio> hetzner has been mostly reliable, so far
Aug 08 20:11:59 <kerio> luke-jr: what about the backdoor in the intel microcode
Aug 08 20:12:10 <kerio> what about the backdoor in the backdoor of the intel microcode
Aug 08 20:12:32 <kerio> what about the backdoor in the compiler that compiled the backdoor in the backdoor of the intel microcode
Aug 08 20:13:07 <kerio> DocScrutinizer05: authentication is a VERY big factor
Aug 08 20:13:26 <kerio> as in, the client can be sure that the contents haven't been tampered in any way between them and the server
Aug 08 20:13:38 <DocScrutinizer05> https://xkcd.com/792/
Aug 08 20:15:15 * DocScrutinizer05 tampers with maemo content before it even gets delivered to kerio
Aug 08 20:16:07 * DocScrutinizer05 insers some nasty lies about N900 exploding when username 'kerio' gets enetered
Aug 08 20:17:07 <CatButts> keri on my wayward sooooon
Aug 08 20:17:18 <CatButts> there will be peace when you are dooooone
Aug 08 21:48:58 <DocScrutinizer05> the encryption debate is completely missing the point
Aug 08 23:17:24 <Oksana> Cute... I contacted the Manufacturer of AMTECH-Advanced SMT Solder Products, they said that: 1) the sticker on the products will say “the product may contain lead” even if it is lead-free; 2) going by lot#, if this was original AMTECH product (and not an imitator), it expired in 2009.
Aug 09 02:18:07 <DocScrutinizer05> ouch
Aug 09 02:20:13 <DocScrutinizer05> though honestly why do you bother about lead
Aug 09 02:20:30 <DocScrutinizer05> it's not like you're supposed to eat it
Aug 09 02:25:36 <DocScrutinizer05> in several towns here old houses still have lead water pipes. Until a maybe 10 years ago gas stations sold leaded gasoline. Hunters still shoot their prey with lead bullets, particularly birds with lead shot, then eat that meat (though they rather shouldn't eat the lead particles)
Aug 09 02:26:47 <DocScrutinizer05> "expired 2009" sounds really nasty though
Aug 09 02:28:40 <Oksana> Could be copycat, though. A copycat with no idea how to write down "best before" on the package?
Aug 09 02:28:44 <DocScrutinizer05> in all electronics shops you still have a hard time to find leadfree solder wire. It's simply not necessary for "hobbyists"
Aug 09 02:29:45 <DocScrutinizer05> nah, just old product, with way too long shelf time, sounds like the more plausible explanation
Aug 09 02:30:34 <DocScrutinizer05> and I thought the kabel had no 2best before:"?
Aug 09 02:30:45 <DocScrutinizer05> and I thought the label had no "best before:"?
Aug 09 02:33:11 <DocScrutinizer05> or was there "best before:" and then no date printed? then it actually might be a ghost shift product
Aug 09 02:35:27 <Oksana> Nay, I just meant that a "skilled" copycat should read up on what lot# actually means, instead of just re-using lot# over and over again, because in this case lot# actually corresponds to "expired in 2009"
Aug 09 02:37:13 <DocScrutinizer05> nope, that's not like they work
Aug 09 02:37:14 <Oksana> But yes, fairly likely that somebody tries to get rid of old product. Does not supply photos of it on EBay, either; photos of flux pens are here, photos of solder are not. Aka, let's shift work of properly disposing of old paste to hapless customers
Aug 09 02:37:53 <DocScrutinizer05> yep
Aug 09 02:38:06 <DocScrutinizer05> also you avoid losses this way
Aug 09 02:38:16 <DocScrutinizer05> since you actually *sell* that crap
Aug 09 02:38:45 <DocScrutinizer05> so it's not only about disposal
Aug 09 02:39:32 <DocScrutinizer05> and in the end... there *is no* "nest before:" on the label, so why should they even bother?
Aug 09 02:39:55 <DocScrutinizer05> it's manuf's fault to not have a best-before
Aug 09 02:40:21 <DocScrutinizer05> the reseller isn't to blame for not taking care about something he possibly doesn't even know of
Aug 09 02:41:55 <Oksana> No "best before" on label, true; no "store it refrigerated", either. But then, all this data is probably on the box (which was containing the syringes with solder paste), or something.
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